Survivor Cagayan (2 Viewers)

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Yeah, looks like it just came down to numbers. If he's thinking final 2 with Cass then Trish has to go at some point and this was the opportunity to make that happen.

I've tried to reason that keeping the one person who definitely has his back is the way to go but there is just as good an argument to get rid of her.

Spencer remaining in the game may actually help him as long as he doesn't win immunity next time. I think Spencer is a bigger target where certainly it would have been Tony if he doesn't win immunity next time out.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Im starting to think Tony isn't going to win this. He's not good enough at the immunity challenges to pull it off. This is where keeping Woo may hurt him. If it comes down to 3 and Woo wins the immunity challenge over Tony, it's game over for Tony and if Spencer wins immunity next time out, there is a good chance of the same result.

Spencer is going to lobby hard to take Tony out if he happens to take the next immunity. Would Kass take the chance of some kind of tiebreaker or just take Tony out like Spencer wants?

 

[Michael Brown]

There's no guarantee that if woo wins immunity, he'd take out tony. He may think like kass does that tony has burned bridges and would be good to sit next to at the end.

Chaos Kass is the worst. Stirring #### up is great, but when you do it just to be an ### when there's not currently a target on you, it's just stupid. I'd be fine with anyone besides her winning, even though woo isn't deserving

I told my wife that mud challenge was made for morgan. Sad banana...

 

[Michael Brown]

Btw, others have mentioned it, but tony hasn't actually pissed people off. Kass just keeps saying it so as viewers it seems like it's true. But it's really not. She's the only one who dislikes him

 

[Aerial Assault]

Btw, others have mentioned it, but tony hasn't actually pissed people off. Kass just keeps saying it so as viewers it seems like it's true. But it's really not. She's the only one who dislikes him

I dislike him. Although he was more tolerable this episode than he has been in a while.

You're probably right about the jury, though. They're a fairly emotionless bunch (aside from Sarah's shocked looks, which are getting a little old), so they're hard to read, but I don't sense too much Tony animosity from them. If he's in the final two, there will be lots of talk about gameplay and such, and unless he's sitting with Spencer, I think he wins.

 

[Michael Brown]

I wouldn't put a ton of stock in jury reactions either, cause i imagine they piece those together to make it look like they want it to look

And you're right there are definitely viewers that dislike him. I just don't get this sense that every player wants to sit next to him at the end as if it's a mortal lock that he'd get no votes

 

[T J]

I just hope either Tony or Spencer wins this thing. This has been one of the best seasons ever. It needs to have a worthy champion.

I was wondering how this season matched up against the others. I enjoy the show and really liked this season but only watched about two other seasons through to the end.

Curious, have they ever started with just one big group from the start rather than having two tribes to merge? It would be interesting to see the players scramble to form their own groups within.

Yep. I've been saying the same thing for some time. Long overdue. And no, they never have.

 

[EYLive]

How is LJ considered a beauty? Stocky guy with thinning hair - I don't get it.

 

[Aerial Assault]

How is LJ considered a beauty? Stocky guy with thinning hair - I don't get it.

He's not that stocky, but to the rest of your comment. The SO at one point this season referred to him as "her eye candy," after which he was promptly booted, and then when he showed up sans hat at his first jury-member tribal, she was all "Was his hair really that thinning the whole time? Am I insane?"

 

[Sarnoff]

Why didn't Tony give his idol to Trish?

because he's planning to use the (bluff of the) special idol to protect himself in the next TC. so he had to use the normal idol this time.

What show are you watching?

It's what he said he was going to do. "I have to play one at five, and the special one I can play at four." That rumor, he hopes, will keep Spenser/Kass/Woo from voting him out next. The thought of him still being able to use the idol should frighten them..

You guys missed the point. The question was why didn't he use his idol on Trish, the idol he threw out instead of giving her a chance at staying.

Yeah, they did miss the point; I think the answer is that he wanted Trish gone. He has to have Kass there because she's his chosen goat, and he either wanted Woo around to vie with Spencer in immunity challenges, or he thought that voting out Woo might hurt him with the jury.

Tony voted Trish out because she might vote for him as a jury member. Kass would never.

 

[Daywalker]

I'm a bit confused.

We have four players left.

We, nor the contestants, know if it's going to be a top two or three?

Lets say Tony just had a regular idol left:

If it is going to be a top two do we know if he could play a regular idol into the top three?

Basically at this point do we know when regular idols cannot be played anymore?

 

[snogger]

I'm a bit confused.

We have four players left.

We, nor the contestants, know if it's going to be a top two or three?

Lets say Tony just had a regular idol left:

If it is going to be a top two do we know if he could play a regular idol into the top three?

Basically at this point do we know when regular idols cannot be played anymore?

Confirmed by Jeff in a post earlier.. No idols can be played after 5..

But, based on Jeff's comments they didn't plan on Tony using the "Special Idol" as one that could be played after 5( which it can't) and, from what he said, they let him run with it.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I'm a bit confused.

We have four players left.

We, nor the contestants, know if it's going to be a top two or three?

Lets say Tony just had a regular idol left:

If it is going to be a top two do we know if he could play a regular idol into the top three?

Basically at this point do we know when regular idols cannot be played anymore?

Confirmed by Jeff in a post earlier.. No idols can be played after 5..

But, based on Jeff's comments they didn't plan on Tony using the "Special Idol" as one that could be played after 5( which it can't) and, from what he said, they let him run with it.

It was also confirmed on the show when Tony was devising his "I know this, but they don't" strategy for the "special idol".

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Despite the fact that Tony and Kass can't stand each other, they are natural allies as each fears going up against Spencer and potentially Woo in the finals.

Spencer probably only fears going up against Tony in the finals but at this point I think he is only worried about finding any path to the final two and will take being there against anyone.

Woo most likely is stumped on who would be the best person to be up against even though Kass is the easy answer.

 

[snogger]

Despite the fact that Tony and Kass can't stand each other, they are natural allies as each fears going up against Spencer and potentially Woo in the finals.

Spencer probably only fears going up against Tony in the finals but at this point I think he is only worried about finding any path to the final two and will take being there against anyone.

Woo most likely is stumped on who would be the best person to be up against even though Kass is the easy answer.

*Fixed

 

[rick6668]

If there is a final 2, there is no way that Tony and Spencer will be the final 2.

There are 2 options with them both in a final 3.

Final 3 - Tony, Spencer, Kass OR Tony, Spencer, Woo

For Tony, Spencer, Kass:

Tony wins immunity - Takes Kass

Spencer wins immunity - Takes Kass

For Tony, Spencer, Woo

Tony wins immunity - Takes Woo

Spencer wins immunity - Takes Woo

 

[Aerial Assault]

In your last scenario I think Spencer takes Tony, not Woo.

 

[stbugs]

In your last scenario I think Spencer takes Tony, not Woo.

No freaking way he does that. Woo has done nothing and Spencer is "likable" to the jury, i.e. he didn't do anything to most of them. Taking Tony gives it a possibility that people reward Tony's game play. Spencer versus Woo isn't like a Hantz versus a good guy type of situation. Kass and Woo, that would be a toss-up depending on how people feel that day.

Honestly, I see Spencer and Tony as the potential winners with the only other possibility being a Kass/Woo final. Then I would have no idea, but I would lean Woo unless Kass completely outguns him in the answers, which is possible when he continues to ask her what she thinks. If final two, I just don't see a Spencer/Tony possibility. Whoever had the upper hand would bring Kass or Woo.

 

[Timmay]

"Woo, do you have any thoughts on this?"

"I do! (pause) What are you guys thinking?"

LOL that was the funniest part of last night

This was great. Woo had a couple of great lines this past episode. With this and the foreign exchange student line at tribal.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Can anyone think of a situation where Spencer makes the final three without winning immunity? Is there even a scenario where he's able to pick off one vote and at least make it a split vote? Not seeing it myself.

 

[Da Guru]

Can anyone think of a situation where Spencer makes the final three without winning immunity? Is there even a scenario where he's able to pick off one vote and at least make it a split vote? Not seeing it myself.

The only way is if he convinces Woo and Kass they do not have a chance going against Tony in the final. That is not going to happen since Kass in her perverted mind thinks she can easily beat Tony at the final. I would love to see Spencer and Tony at the final because they both deserve it for different reasons.

 

[Worm]

Tony and Spencer have both been given winning edits. It will be one of them.

If I had to guess, Tony has been given THE winning edit.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Seems to me like we are heading towards Spencer winning the next immunity challenge and Woo getting voted out at that point. I have to believe Tony wins the final challenge and Spencer is gone leaving Tony and Kass as the final two with an anticlimactic final vote where Tony gets all the votes.

 

[Mile High]

Tony vs Spence in a final two showdown would be a perfect ending to a good season.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Seems to me like we are heading towards Spencer winning the next immunity challenge and Woo getting voted out at that point. I have to believe Tony wins the final challenge and Spencer is gone leaving Tony and Kass as the final two with an anticlimactic final vote where Tony gets all the votes.

Spencer might win but there is going to be a push to take out the next strongest player. I know Spencer doesn't want to go against Tony, now he just needs to convince Kass that her best chance is if Woo is still in the game.

Kass plays on emotions half the time so she would probably feel good about voting Tony out anyway.

I think Tony is gone if Spencer wins. For sure Spencer can convince Woo of that, Kass is the wildcard.

 

[oso diablo]

You guys missed the point. The question was why didn't he use his idol on Trish, the idol he threw out instead of giving her a chance at staying.

we understand that. it's a dual rationale, but in Tony's mind, the ability to bluff with the special idol with 4 left trumped all. Therefore, with 5 left, he can use his regular idol on himself or give it to Trish, but he has to do that before the votes are read. No reason to risk getting the boot at that point, so he just used it on himself.

the fact that having Trish on the jury helps Tony was just icing on the cake, and made the decisioning very easy for him.

 

[rick6668]

You guys missed the point. The question was why didn't he use his idol on Trish, the idol he threw out instead of giving her a chance at staying.

we understand that. it's a dual rationale, but in Tony's mind, the ability to bluff with the special idol with 4 left trumped all. Therefore, with 5 left, he can use his regular idol on himself or give it to Trish, but he has to do that before the votes are read. No reason to risk getting the boot at that point, so he just used it on himself.

the fact that having Trish on the jury helps Tony was just icing on the cake, and made the decisioning very easy for him.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Spencer's best bet might be to straight up tell Kass her only chance is to take out both Tony and himself before the final two -- especially that she has no shot against Tony -- and take Woo to the end.

Count the votes for her (Trish, Tash Spencer, Woo are voting Tony for sure -- she'd have to sweep the others and she's not going to do it) and make sure she at least hears what's true.

Spencer is going home if he loses immunity either time, so he might as well leverage the truth to get rid of the one guy he might not beat if he gets to the end.

 

[rick6668]

Spencer's best bet might be to straight up tell Kass her only chance is to take out both Tony and himself before the final two -- especially that she has no shot against Tony -- and take Woo to the end.

Count the votes for her (Trish, Tash Spencer, Woo are voting Tony for sure -- she'd have to sweep the others and she's not going to do it) and make sure she at least hears what's true.

Spencer is going home if he loses immunity either time, so he might as well leverage the truth to get rid of the one guy he might not beat if he gets to the end.

Agreed. Also, if I am Spencer and I win the next immunity, I am pushing Kass hard to vote out Tony. I would tell her that if you vote Tony out, you'll get my vote for the million over a final 2 of Her and Woo, if you don't I am voting for Tony for the million in the final 2 of Her and Tony.

 

[oso diablo]

if Kass/Tony/Spencer make final 3, and Kass wins that final immunity, who does she prefer to take to the final 2? She can't stand Tony, but believes everyone else feels the same way, so i guess that's her play.

 

[stbugs]

if Kass/Tony/Spencer make final 3, and Kass wins that final immunity, who does she prefer to take to the final 2? She can't stand Tony, but believes everyone else feels the same way, so i guess that's her play.

Unfortunately, I didn't get to watch this week (my satellite was fritzy due to the storms), but IMHO, she should take Spencer. I think Kass is a longshot against both period, but maybe she will have an easier time against Spencer. I don't think she can say she played better than Tony. She is more disliked and she wouldn't be the king pin if you will against Tony. It was his crew and his decision making that made the jury, not hers. You could easily say she was just one of Tony's crew. I think she might have an easier argument that she helped Spencer get to where he is, not the other way around.

Either way, I think she is a loser, but just thinking about arguments, I think she has potential to sneak ahead of Spencer with her answers and if he royally screws up, but I think she really isn't much different than Woo and Trish in Tony's team.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

if Kass/Tony/Spencer make final 3, and Kass wins that final immunity, who does she prefer to take to the final 2? She can't stand Tony, but believes everyone else feels the same way, so i

guess that's her play.

If that happens, Spencer has to play up the fact that she can't stand him and that she will lose against him. Basically count out the people that will vote for him and tell her that by taking Tony she will be handing a guy she hates 1M. Let her know that she can't argue she controlled the game more than Tony but definitely can argue she controlled the game more than him (Spencer). While Spencer has done a great job staying in the game, he has been pretty much on defense.

 

[HughHoney]

If* Kass wins final immunity she brings Tony with her and he wins.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Gotta think the jury thought like Spencer did a few weeks ago. Tony has been pulling strings and was responsible for a lot of them being voted out. It was good game play and I think they recognize that. Spencer is the only one that has matched Tonys game. He wins because he not only has had a better social game, but he's won a significant number of challenges not to mention was the only one performing at challenges for the brain tribe. I don't see any scenario where spencer loses if he's in the final.

Woo is toast, but I think he has to take out Tony to have any chance, slim as it may be. He's just been his puppet for most of the game.

Cass is just playing an awful game, but no one views her as a threat so they put up with her annoyance. I'd like her gone just to improve the final.

Ideally it's a Spencer vs Tony finale. Only way it's not a slam dunk.

 

[dparker713]

Gotta think the jury thought like Spencer did a few weeks ago. Tony has been pulling strings and was responsible for a lot of them being voted out. It was good game play and I think they recognize that. Spencer is the only one that has matched Tonys game. He wins because he not only has had a better social game, but he's won a significant number of challenges not to mention was the only one performing at challenges for the brain tribe. I don't see any scenario where spencer loses if he's in the final.

Woo is toast, but I think he has to take out Tony to have any chance, slim as it may be. He's just been his puppet for most of the game.

Cass is just playing an awful game, but no one views her as a threat so they put up with her annoyance. I'd like her gone just to improve the final.

Ideally it's a Spencer vs Tony finale. Only way it's not a slam dunk.

I think you're giving Spencer's game too much credit. He was unable to break away any members of Tony's alliance to his side. Maybe he's able to at 4, but despite some of the dysfunction in Tony's alliance, the core of it held together as long as it could.

 

[JZilla]

Tony is not well liked, nobody really appreciates all his bald faced lying and swearing on everybody. I have my doubts whether he can beat Woo, depending on how cocky he is in the final interrogation.

He's got about the same chance against Spencer as Kass has against him.

I think he and Kass will pull it out. Woo being dumb will help.

 

[NREC34]

My guess on Tony crying: he's thinking about what the million would mean to his family.

With the edit he has gotten I'd be shocked if he is not in the final 2.

 

[modogg]

If it's a final two instead of a final three and Kass and Woo team up to nuke Spencer and Tony Kass 100% deserves the million.

Even in this scenario Kass has 5 of 9 jurors that promised to not vote for her.

Giving it to Woo would be a travesty, and I think they're all big enough fans of the game to know it.

If you were scoring this game, Woo's scored would be close to zero. Kass' would be negative. She's closer to Colton than Russell.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a Survivor where one person, who lasted this long, had very clear and memorable one-on-one interactions with so many people that would absolutely guarantee they hate her.

That said, I'll be psyched if she makes it back as an all star. Tony, Kass, and Spence all ought to be locks for an invite at some point if the show continues going strong.

Tony is gonna be on this show at least another 3 times. Dude is about the best casting find they ever had. He is likable, funny, nutso in the head, extremely passionate about the game and never whines at all.

I think he is just built to play this game. other people have to think and strategize and really work at it, but I think his personality makes him a natural fit for the game, and I don't think he really has to work too hard at it at all.

kind of, but have there ever been dumber people playing along with anybody. he has played a good game, but it is more because others have played so bad

 

[HughHoney]

Watching Kass get put in her place at FT would be great TV. She could unanimously lose the vote at final tribal and she ll go to the reunion show and say she played a great game and deserve to win. All the while having that smug smirk on her face.

 

[Mile High]

I don't get the Kass for all star love. She has no social game, is terrible at challenges and her only move cost her the game. Being a ##### doesn't make you an all star imo

 

[Sarnoff]

I don't get the Kass for all star love. She has no social game, is terrible at challenges and her only move cost her the game. Being a ##### doesn't make you an all star imo

Not so much all stars, but Villains for sure.

 

[Snickers]

So in watching the preview for the finale they mention 3 tribal councils which some people in this thread meant it will be a final 2 this season. However, isn't it considered a tribal council when the finalists give their speeches and answer questions from the jury? If that is the case, that would support a standard final 3.

 

[Jayrok]

if Kass/Tony/Spencer make final 3, and Kass wins that final immunity, who does she prefer to take to the final 2? She can't stand Tony, but believes everyone else feels the same way, so i guess that's her play.

She would definitely take Tony to the finals because she thinks Tony has alienated everyone.

I think Spencer has to win the final immunity in order for him to be questioned by the final jury. I hope he pulls it off.

 

[JZilla]

I don't get the Kass for all star love. She has no social game, is terrible at challenges and her only move cost her the game. Being a ##### doesn't make you an all star imo

What makes you an all star is if the producers think you're good for ratings.

 

[drfeelgood]

I don't get the Kass for all star love. She has no social game, is terrible at challenges and her only move cost her the game. Being a ##### doesn't make you an all star imo

What makes you an all star is if the producers think you're good for ratings.

 

[Disco Stu]

So in watching the preview for the finale they mention 3 tribal councils which some people in this thread meant it will be a final 2 this season. However, isn't it considered a tribal council when the finalists give their speeches and answer questions from the jury? If that is the case, that would support a standard final 3.

#MOPmath

4 remaining contestants - 3 tribals = 1 sole survivor

 

[Disco Stu]

Tony is gonna be on this show at least another 3 times. Dude is about the best casting find they ever had. He is likable, funny, nutso in the head, extremely passionate about the game and never whines at all.

I think he is just built to play this game. other people have to think and strategize and really work at it, but I think his personality makes him a natural fit for the game, and I don't think he really has to work too hard at it at all.

kind of, but have there ever been dumber people playing along with anybody. he has played a good game, but it is more because others have played so bad

Yes. Every season. Much, much dumber usually.

 

[JZilla]

I don't think it will go so well for Tony next time, unless he's in the very next season coming up and no one on the island knows who he is, ala Russell

He's more likable than a Russell or a Johnny Fairplay but he's still built his whole game on deceit

 

[Snickers]

So in watching the preview for the finale they

mention 3 tribal councils which some people in this thread meant it will be a final 2 this season. However, isn't it considered a tribal council when the finalists give their speeches and answer

questions from the jury? If that is the case, that would support a standard final 3.

#MOPmath

4 remaining contestants - 3 tribals = 1 sole survivor

I thought Woo, Tony, Spencer, Kass and J'tia are still left

 

[Freelove]

I don't get the Kass for all star love. She has no social game, is terrible at challenges and her only move cost her the game. Being a ##### doesn't make you an all star imo

What makes you an all star is if the producers think you're good for ratings.

Heard an interview with Cochran, where he was talking about what makes Kass so fascinating to him as a viewer, and thought he had an interesting take on it.

She's essentially the same pseudo-strategical flip-flopping basket case we've seen dozens of times by now, including with Tony this season. Except that with all the rest of them, they're manic, hyper-interested game players. Whereas Kass seems to be almost devoid of the capacity for facial expression or actual human feeling. She gives off the same eerie feeling you got seeing Hannibal Lecter describe eating a victim -- like he's describing doing the laundry. Totally disconnected. The things that should go with her penchant for chaos are totally absent in her personality. Gives an odd lizard-like feel to her whole persona, which is something we haven't seen on the show before.

I thought it was interesting.