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Marc -Here's a hypothetical question for you . . . assuming that all RB that have a reasonable chance to get 100 touches in reality were now a lock (100% certainty) to get 20 touches a game and play 16 games. Include guys like Henry LJ, Bell, Anderson, Dunn, etc. Where would you rank Brown?

 
IMO, Best Values in rounds 1-5:

Ahman Green - 2.10

Marvin Harrison - 2.11

Both Lewis/Westbrook to Gator at 2.12/3.01

CuMar 3.06

C-Pepp 3.07

DJax 4.03

Ward 4.11
No Steve Smith at 5.5? I think he was a steal. I'm actually a little surprised J Walker, A Johnson and S Smith didn't even get a mention in the top set of WRs discussion.

Am I just exceptionally high on these guys?
agree, for you to start RB-RB and still end up with that trio at WR was a major coup
 
That's a good point right there Mark. I like guys that have big games in this format...i.e. high deviations.

Case in point, if you have seven WRs that score 13 points every week your #4-#7 WRs are as worthless as Lawrence Phillips. Now if you have seven guys that score between 20 and 6 every week(but average 13 a week) your WRs will on average score more points than the consistent WRs will...simple math. :ph34r: :ph34r:
High deviations are overrated. You need some, but you also need some baseline guys - which usually end up being the guys who you would start each week if this were a redraft. I wouldn't want to have any position where my baseline player isn't putting up acceptable scoring most weeks. A guy like Vick is good because he will blow up some weeks. But he'll also have some bad weeks, so you need to pair him up with another quality QB for the weeks he doesn't blow up.

A guy like Manning doesn't need a good QB2 because he's not only a baseline guy, but his baseline will be almost as high as the high weeks of the guys you take behind him.

If Rod Smith is one of your top three WRs, though, you want to draft explosive guys behind him. He'll score a few points each week, but you want high deviation backups like Troy Williamson who won't be great each week but should have a couple huge games this year so you don't need to rely on him. His value is that he rarely gets you a low score at the position, while Troy Williamson's value is that he will contribute a lot when he does contribute.

 
That's a good point right there Mark.  I like guys that have big games in this format...i.e. high deviations. 

Case in point, if you have seven WRs that score 13 points every week your #4-#7 WRs are as worthless as Lawrence Phillips.  Now if you have seven guys that score between 20 and 6 every week(but average 13 a week) your WRs will on average score more points than the consistent WRs will...simple math. :ph34r:   :ph34r:
You need some, but you also need some baseline guys -
I agree with you there. With the major premise being "never score the lowest" having baseline guys are a must. I always try to mix it up.
 
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IMO, Best Values in rounds 1-5:

Ahman Green - 2.10

Marvin Harrison - 2.11

Both Lewis/Westbrook to Gator at 2.12/3.01

CuMar 3.06

C-Pepp 3.07

DJax 4.03

Ward 4.11
No Steve Smith at 5.5? I think he was a steal. I'm actually a little surprised J Walker, A Johnson and S Smith didn't even get a mention in the top set of WRs discussion.

Am I just exceptionally high on these guys?
They're solid, but not as good as Bass' or Yudkin's.
 
IMO, Best Values in rounds 1-5:

Ahman Green - 2.10

Marvin Harrison - 2.11

Both Lewis/Westbrook to Gator at 2.12/3.01

CuMar 3.06

C-Pepp 3.07

DJax 4.03

Ward 4.11
No Steve Smith at 5.5? I think he was a steal. I'm actually a little surprised J Walker, A Johnson and S Smith didn't even get a mention in the top set of WRs discussion.

Am I just exceptionally high on these guys?
I stopped after round 4 actually - I shoudl have said rounds 1-4. I meant to divide it in fifths, not fourths.
 
Marc -

Here's a hypothetical question for you . . . assuming that all RB that have a reasonable chance to get 100 touches in reality were now a lock (100% certainty) to get 20 touches a game and play 16 games. Include guys like Henry LJ, Bell, Anderson, Dunn, etc. Where would you rank Brown?
I'm confused by the question - I am not some big Brown proponent, but in THIS format, he is an exceptional risk/reward player. He simply has to be available for 16 games this year (which he has a better chance of doing by being relieved by Henry), and he'll give MT a big reward.In a "normal" league, he should go a full round later. In a best starter league, he's a nice risk-reward pick.

 
IMO, Best Values in rounds 1-5:

Ahman Green - 2.10

Marvin Harrison - 2.11

Both Lewis/Westbrook to Gator at 2.12/3.01

CuMar 3.06

C-Pepp 3.07

DJax 4.03

Ward 4.11
No Steve Smith at 5.5? I think he was a steal. I'm actually a little surprised J Walker, A Johnson and S Smith didn't even get a mention in the top set of WRs discussion.

Am I just exceptionally high on these guys?
They're solid, but not as good as Bass' or Yudkin's.
I would trade mine for Yudkin's straight up, but not for Levin's just because of personal choice, and I think Levin's are better than Bass's. As much as I like his top two, I don't like Givens as a WR3.
 
Marc -

Here's a hypothetical question for you . . . assuming that all RB that have a reasonable chance to get 100 touches in reality were now a lock (100% certainty) to get 20 touches a game and play 16 games.  Include guys like Henry LJ, Bell, Anderson, Dunn, etc.  Where would you rank Brown?
I'm confused by the question - I am not some big Brown proponent, but in THIS format, he is an exceptional risk/reward player. He simply has to be available for 16 games this year (which he has a better chance of doing by being relieved by Henry), and he'll give MT a big reward.In a "normal" league, he should go a full round later. In a best starter league, he's a nice risk-reward pick.
My point was that if you give any RB the touches we have been talking about, there are probably 25+ RB that would do better than Brown IMO. I also think that Brown's TD chances may be limited playing on a mediocre team and giving way to Henry.I'm not saying that he's not a good selection, but I see his partly cloudy day as partly cloudy while you see him as partly sunny.

 
IMO, Best Values in rounds 1-5:

Ahman Green - 2.10

Marvin Harrison - 2.11

Both Lewis/Westbrook to Gator at 2.12/3.01

CuMar 3.06

C-Pepp 3.07

DJax 4.03

Ward 4.11
No Steve Smith at 5.5? I think he was a steal. I'm actually a little surprised J Walker, A Johnson and S Smith didn't even get a mention in the top set of WRs discussion.

Am I just exceptionally high on these guys?
They're solid, but not as good as Bass' or Yudkin's.
I would trade mine for Yudkin's straight up, but not for Levin's just because of personal choice, and I think Levin's are better than Bass's. As much as I like his top two, I don't like Givens as a WR3.
that's where I'm at- I don;t like Givens as much as Ward as WR3 - but I like my opps from the bench, too.I like your WRs, B-fred, but I'm, nowhere near as high on your WR1/2 as my WR1/2 - personal preferences there. I'll take your WR3 over RSmith. You essentially, IMO, have three WR2s playing your three WR spots and I have a true WR 1, a better WR2, and a lesser WR2 playing my three WR spots.

I have harrison at overall WR2, and I have Ward in the top-10 (on the same level as AJohn and Walker - and I actually prefer him to both of them) - I also anticipate 75-80 catches from RSmith - and in this format, that is gold. Your SSMith is better than my RSmith

But, last week against Houston, Plummer targetted RSmith a LOT early in the game, and expected Lelie to make one or two downfield catches. I could see several games where Smith gets 10-12 targets and 7-8 catches - and i really love him in this format at WR3.

 
Marc -

Here's a hypothetical question for you . . . assuming that all RB that have a reasonable chance to get 100 touches in reality were now a lock (100% certainty) to get 20 touches a game and play 16 games.  Include guys like Henry LJ, Bell, Anderson, Dunn, etc.  Where would you rank Brown?
I'm confused by the question - I am not some big Brown proponent, but in THIS format, he is an exceptional risk/reward player. He simply has to be available for 16 games this year (which he has a better chance of doing by being relieved by Henry), and he'll give MT a big reward.In a "normal" league, he should go a full round later. In a best starter league, he's a nice risk-reward pick.
My point was that if you give any RB the touches we have been talking about, there are probably 25+ RB that would do better than Brown IMO. I also think that Brown's TD chances may be limited playing on a mediocre team and giving way to Henry.I'm not saying that he's not a good selection, but I see his partly cloudy day as partly cloudy while you see him as partly sunny.
Not really - I see Brown having had INSANE production last year on limited touches - this year, his touches will be again limited with Henry in a RBBC. Foregt the 20 touches a game. What Brown was able to do in limnted numbers of rushes last year was insane.If he stays healthy, it doesn't matter if he gets 10, 15, or 20 touches - he has the opp to blow up. Brown is an explosive back - I think of Westbrook when I think of Brown - doesn't need a ton of work, just needs to stay available to play, and he'll be explosive throughout the game on limted touches. I am not sur ehow that is debatable.

I'll tell you what - list the bvacks you are thinking of, and I'll tell you which I would take knowing they could have a MAXIMUM of 15 touches per game. Brown does more on less.

 
Aaron Rudnicki

Brees, Drew SDC QB - 10 8.10

Manning, Eli NYG QB - 5 12.10

Plummer, Jake DEN QB - 9 7.03

Blaylock, Derrick NYJ RB - 8 11.03

Gore, Frank SFO RB - 6 16.10

Green, Ahman GBP RB - 6 2.10

Holmes, Priest KCC RB - 5 1.03

Rhodes, Dominic IND RB - 8 20.10

Boldin, Anquan ARI WR - 6 5.03

Bryant, Antonio CLE WR - 4 13.03

Burleson, Nate MIN WR - 5 4.10

Edwards, Braylon CLE WR - 4 15.03

Johnson, Keyshawn DAL WR - 9 9.03

Smith, Jimmy JAC WR - 7 6.10

Cooley, Chris WAS TE - 3 10.10

Witten, Jason DAL TE - 9 3.03

Graham, Shayne CIN PK - 10 17.03

Kasay, John CAR PK - 7 18.10

Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8 14.10

Lions, Detroit DET Def - 3 19.03
I wanted to land 3 starting QBs, and I think these guys combined should be good enough to be a strength rather than a weakness.At RB, I was stoked to get 2 of my top-10 RBs so RB3 wasn't a huge concern, especially considering the scoring system. Blaylock and Rhodes have the potential to be very valuable if the RBs ahead of them get dinged up and could also get a few carries each and every week and Gore could win that starting job at some point so he was well worth the risk in round 16 despite the bye week conflict.

I know there has been a lot of talk of WR love so far in this thread, but I'm pretty comfortable with my crew too. I'm expecting a big year out of Burleson as Culpepper's primary target, Boldin is a monster in ppr leagues, and I think Jimmy Smith and Keyshawn Johnson are being undervalued b/c of their age. Antonio Bryant has been the star of training camp so far so he should start off well, and Edwards will hopefully finish up well.

I haven't looked closely at the other rosters but I think Witten/Cooley should be one of the strongest TE combinations in the league and that is a huge advantage in this scoring system.

I'm lukewarm about my kickers and defenses, but don't see them hurting me too much.

Overall: Clearly, I need Holmes to stay healthy and Ahman to bounce back. If those things happen and my WRs stay healthy, I should be able to advance past week 1 this year and hopefully get back to a top-5 finish like 2003.

:towelwave:

 
Gatorman

Bulger, Marc STL QB - 9 4.12

Collins, Kerry OAK QB - 5 5.01

Frerotte, Gus MIA QB - 4 12.12

Faulk, Kevin NEP RB - 7 11.01

Lewis, Jamal BAL RB - 3 3.01

Toefield, Labrandon JAC RB - 7 15.01

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB - 10 1.01

Westbrook, Brian PHI RB - 6 2.12

Branch, Deion NEP WR - 7 7.01

Calico, Tyrone TEN WR - 10 18.12

Chambers, Chris MIA WR - 4 6.12

Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR - 10 8.12

McCareins, Justin NYJ WR - 8 13.01

Patten, David WAS WR - 3 14.12

Jolley, Doug NYJ TE - 8 10.12

McMichael, Randy MIA TE - 4 9.01

Brown, Josh SEA PK - 8 17.01

Scobee, Josh JAC PK - 7 19.01

Dolphins, Miami MIA Def - 4 16.12

Packers, Green Bay GBP Def - 6 20.12
The top of this draft broke differently than it has in years past with WRs flying off the board (and TEs too) I decided to go the LHUCKS route from last year and take 3 very good RBs and go for the "solid but unspectacular" at WR. I souldn't disagree with Smelvin more about WRs dominating this league. You just need the right mix of WRs. The guys I took all seem undervalued for their draft slot and I think both Chambers and Branch are going to have top 10 years. When I took the two QBs back to back it was on a bit of a whim and also because the WRs I was looking at there were boldin (who I hate) Steve Smith (I hate injury concerns in a survivor league) and Donald Driver (who maybe should have been my pick over Collins but what the hell). I was trying to stay away from McMichael because it seemed that Miami didn't really throw to him in the first preseason game (a bit of a red flag for me since they threw the ball a lot in that game). Then I looked back and they targeted the TE position 12 times in the game, so even if randy's number wasn't called the position was involved in the offensive game plan. The most interesting thing about my draft this year is I have really avoided the bye week issues. I have only 1 position where 2 players there are on the same bye week (WR week 10), and that is solid for a team like this. Maybe I should have left toefield off the team and taken 1 more WR, but the guys around the toefield pick all had bye week issues (week 4 and 8 this year are killers)
 
Marc -

Here's a hypothetical question for you . . . assuming that all RB that have a reasonable chance to get 100 touches in reality were now a lock (100% certainty) to get 20 touches a game and play 16 games.  Include guys like Henry LJ, Bell, Anderson, Dunn, etc.  Where would you rank Brown?
I'm confused by the question - I am not some big Brown proponent, but in THIS format, he is an exceptional risk/reward player. He simply has to be available for 16 games this year (which he has a better chance of doing by being relieved by Henry), and he'll give MT a big reward.In a "normal" league, he should go a full round later. In a best starter league, he's a nice risk-reward pick.
My point was that if you give any RB the touches we have been talking about, there are probably 25+ RB that would do better than Brown IMO. I also think that Brown's TD chances may be limited playing on a mediocre team and giving way to Henry.I'm not saying that he's not a good selection, but I see his partly cloudy day as partly cloudy while you see him as partly sunny.
Not really - I see Brown having had INSANE production last year on limited touches - this year, his touches will be again limited with Henry in a RBBC. Foregt the 20 touches a game. What Brown was able to do in limnted numbers of rushes last year was insane.If he stays healthy, it doesn't matter if he gets 10, 15, or 20 touches - he has the opp to blow up. Brown is an explosive back - I think of Westbrook when I think of Brown - doesn't need a ton of work, just needs to stay available to play, and he'll be explosive throughout the game on limted touches. I am not sur ehow that is debatable.

I'll tell you what - list the bvacks you are thinking of, and I'll tell you which I would take knowing they could have a MAXIMUM of 15 touches per game. Brown does more on less.
I'm not sure where you are getting Brown as having limited touches last year. He averaged 20 carriees and 2 receptions a game which over a full season would have been over 350 touches.Brown averaged 14.2 fantasy ppg last year, which fell behind SA, Holmes, LT, Martin, Barber, DD, Edge, Dillon, Rudi, McGahee, Westbrook, KJones, LJohnson, and JJones. With potential comeback seasons for Lewis, Portis, AGreen, and Deuce, as well as newcomers Jordan, SJackson, and a Denver RB, I would not put Brown in the Top 20 even if he matched last year's numbers--but with Henry around I doubt he will come close to a pace for 350+ touches.

 
I don't have the time for a write-up write now, but here's where I would be commenting . . .++ = well above average+ = above averageNothing = average- = below average-- = well below averageGATORQB +RB ++WR -TEPK -DEF --LEVINQB -RBWR +TE +PK +DEF +A-RUDQBRB +WR TE ++PKDEFPURPLEQB +RB +WR +TE +PK +DEFFREDQB -RB ++WR ++TE +PK -DEF ++MTQB ++RBWR -TE+PK ++DEF +GRANTQB ++RB +WR -TE -PK +DEF +YUDSQB +RB -WR ++TE --PKDEF +LHUCKSQB +RB -WR +TE ++PKDEFCOBALTQBRB +WRTE +PKDEFGREGQB +RB +WR +TEPKDEF +BNBQBRBWR ++TEPKDEF +

 
I'm not sure where you are getting Brown as having limited touches last year.
Look at the games where he DID have limited touches due to gettng knocked out due to injury - the Miami game for one - games where his touches WERE limited, he had insane production in those games.In his last two games, he left each due to the injured toe:19 rushes, 104 yards, 0 catches15 rushes 91 yards 1 TD, 1 catch 10 yardsMiami game, in a half of football:16 rushes 100 yards, 1 catch 5 yards.In beteween those game, there were games where he was being used as a workhorse - and got numbers and racked up lots of rushes - sometimes, Dave, you need to go "inside the numbers" and not stand pat on them.There are also two games last year where he got limited work - but those games I don't recall if he was limited due to ineffectiveness or injury.
 
absolutely boggles the mind how far Steve Smith continues to fall in drafts  :o
I wasn't in a position conducive to select him, but I couldn't agree with you more. I've gotten to the point that I'm almost avoiding him becuase I'm one SS injury away from seeing numerous teams go down the pooper.Any thoughts on the stud WR route out of the gate? Someone tries it every year and usually goes down in flames. Keep in mind that the ppr is rb-0, wr-1, te-3.
Very interesting strategy.....Especially considering that you are drafting from the #12 spot in CHUG next week....No doubt you swung for the fences with this approach....especially with guys like Owens, Arrington & Taylor. Your squad is very intriguing, the ultimate boom or bust team. No one can say that you don't have stones after this draft! :thumbup:

 
Gatorman

Bulger, Marc STL QB - 9 4.12

Collins, Kerry OAK QB - 5 5.01

Frerotte, Gus MIA QB - 4 12.12

Faulk, Kevin NEP RB - 7 11.01

Lewis, Jamal BAL RB - 3 3.01

Toefield, Labrandon JAC RB - 7 15.01

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB - 10 1.01

Westbrook, Brian PHI RB - 6 2.12

Branch, Deion NEP WR - 7 7.01

Calico, Tyrone TEN WR - 10 18.12

Chambers, Chris MIA WR - 4 6.12

Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR - 10 8.12

McCareins, Justin NYJ WR - 8 13.01

Patten, David WAS WR - 3 14.12

Jolley, Doug NYJ TE - 8 10.12

McMichael, Randy MIA TE - 4 9.01

Brown, Josh SEA PK - 8 17.01

Scobee, Josh JAC PK - 7 19.01

Dolphins, Miami MIA Def - 4 16.12

Packers, Green Bay GBP Def - 6 20.12

Marc Levin

Delhomme, Jake CAR QB - 7 8.11

McNair, Steve TEN QB - 10 9.02

Volek, Billy TEN QB - 10 20.11

Alexander, Shaun SEA RB - 8 1.02

Bell, Tatum DEN RB - 9 3.02

Droughns, Reuben CLE RB - 4 10.11

Johnson, Larry KCC RB - 5 5.02

Williams, Moe MIN RB - 5 17.02

Engram, Bobby SEA WR - 8 14.11

Harrison, Marvin IND WR - 8 2.11

Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR - 6 11.02

Smith, Rod DEN WR - 9 7.02

Ward, Hines PIT WR - 4 4.11

Warrick, Peter CIN WR - 10 19.02

Johnson, Eric SFO TE - 6 6.11

Stevens, Jerramy SEA TE - 8 13.02

Akers, David PHI PK - 6 15.02

Tynes, Lawrence KCC PK - 5 18.11

Bears, Chicago CHI Def - 4 16.11

Buccaneers, Tampa Bay TBB Def - 7 12.11

Aaron Rudnicki

Brees, Drew SDC QB - 10 8.10

Manning, Eli NYG QB - 5 12.10

Plummer, Jake DEN QB - 9 7.03

Blaylock, Derrick NYJ RB - 8 11.03

Gore, Frank SFO RB - 6 16.10

Green, Ahman GBP RB - 6 2.10

Holmes, Priest KCC RB - 5 1.03

Rhodes, Dominic IND RB - 8 20.10

Boldin, Anquan ARI WR - 6 5.03

Bryant, Antonio CLE WR - 4 13.03

Burleson, Nate MIN WR - 5 4.10

Edwards, Braylon CLE WR - 4 15.03

Johnson, Keyshawn DAL WR - 9 9.03

Smith, Jimmy JAC WR - 7 6.10

Cooley, Chris WAS TE - 3 10.10

Witten, Jason DAL TE - 9 3.03

Graham, Shayne CIN PK - 10 17.03

Kasay, John CAR PK - 7 18.10

Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8 14.10

Lions, Detroit DET Def - 3 19.03

PurpleHaze

Leftwich, Byron JAC QB - 7 8.09

Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB - 4 11.04

Vick, Michael ATL QB - 8 7.04

Benson, Cedric CHI RB - 4 6.09

Bettis, Jerome PIT RB - 4 9.04

Jackson, Steven STL RB - 9 2.09

James, Edgerrin IND RB - 8 1.04

Suggs, Lee CLE RB - 4 5.04

Brown, Reggie PHI WR - 6 18.09

Clayton, Michael TBB WR - 7 4.09

Horn, Joe NOS WR - 10 3.04

Toomer, Amani NYG WR - 5 12.09

Williams, Mike DET WR - 3 14.09

Smith, Alex TBB TE - 7 15.04

Watson, Ben NEP TE - 7 17.04

Wiggins, Jermaine MIN TE - 5 10.09

Brown, Kris HOU PK - 3 20.09

Wilkins, Jeff STL PK - 9 16.09

Chiefs, Kansas City KCC Def - 5 19.04

Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def - 6 13.04

BostonFred

Brady, Tom NEP QB - 7 7.05

Dilfer, Trent CLE QB - 4 13.05

Faulk, Marshall STL RB - 9 8.08

Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB - 5 20.08

Johnson, Rudi CIN RB - 10 2.08

McAllister, Deuce NOS RB - 10 1.05

Perry, Chris CIN RB - 10 16.08

Williams, Ricky MIA RB - 4 10.08

Gardner, Rod CAR WR - 7 14.08

Johnson, Andre HOU WR - 3 4.08

Smith, Steve CAR WR - 7 5.05

Taylor, Travis MIN WR - 5 15.05

Terrell, David NEP WR - 7 17.05

Walker, Javon GBP WR - 6 3.05

Heap, Todd BAL TE - 3 6.08

Smith, L.J. PHI TE - 6 9.05

Carney, John NOS PK - 10 18.08

Cundiff, Billy DAL PK - 9 19.05

Panthers, Carolina CAR Def - 7 12.08

Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def - 3 11.05

Maurile Tremblay

Manning, Peyton IND QB - 8 1.06

Warner, Kurt ARI QB - 6 11.06

Brown, Chris TEN RB - 10 4.07

Duckett, T.J. ATL RB - 8 8.07

Martin, Curtis NYJ RB - 8 3.06

Staley, Duce PIT RB - 4 9.06

Taylor, Chester BAL RB - 3 20.07

Bruce, Isaac STL WR - 9 5.06

Caldwell, Reche SDC WR - 10 18.07

Jenkins, Michael ATL WR - 8 15.06

Lelie, Ashley DEN WR - 9 7.06

Muhammad, Muhsin CHI WR - 4 6.07

Parker, Eric SDC WR - 10 12.07

Williams, Reggie JAC WR - 7 10.07

Gates, Antonio SDC TE - 10 2.07

Elam, Jason DEN PK - 9 13.06

Vanderjagt, Mike IND PK - 8 14.07

Chargers, San Diego SDC Def - 10 19.06

Falcons, Atlanta ATL Def - 8 16.07

Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC Def - 7 17.06

Will Grant

Culpepper, Daunte MIN QB - 5 3.07

Garcia, Jeff DET QB - 3 12.06

Harrington, Joey DET QB - 3 10.06

Brown, Ronnie MIA RB - 4 5.07

Jones, Julius DAL RB - 9 2.06

Portis, Clinton WAS RB - 3 1.07

Shelton, Eric CAR RB - 7 8.06

Bennett, Drew TEN WR - 10 4.06

Curtis, Kevin STL WR - 9 18.06

Evans, Lee BUF WR - 9 7.07

Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR - 6 6.06

Gaffney, Jabar HOU WR - 3 17.07

Stallworth, Donte' NOS WR - 10 9.07

Pollard, Marcus DET TE - 3 13.07

Troupe, Ben TEN TE - 10 11.07

Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 10 19.07

Vinatieri, Adam NEP PK - 7 14.06

Bengals, Cincinnati CIN Def - 10 15.07

Browns, Cleveland CLE Def - 4 20.06

Vikings, Minnesota MIN Def - 5 16.06

David Yudkin

Favre, Brett GBP QB - 6 6.05

Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB - 8 8.05

Losman, J.P. BUF QB - 9 13.08

Foster, De'shaun CAR RB - 7 4.05

Henry, Travis TEN RB - 10 7.08

Jordan, Lamont OAK RB - 5 3.08

Moore, Mewelde MIN RB - 5 9.08

Shipp, Marcel ARI RB - 6 15.08

Boston, David MIA WR - 4 16.05

Driver, Donald GBP WR - 6 5.08

Johnson, Chad CIN WR - 10 2.05

Moss, Randy OAK WR - 5 1.08

Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR - 4 20.05

Rogers, Charles DET WR - 3 10.05

Miller, Heath PIT TE - 4 14.05

Putzier, Jeb DEN TE - 9 11.08

Lindell, Rian BUF PK - 9 19.08

Nugent, Mike NYJ PK - 8 18.05

Cardinals, Arizona ARI Def - 6 17.08

Patriots, New England NEP Def - 7 12.05

LHUCKS

Green, Trent KCC QB - 5 6.04

Pennington, Chad NYJ QB - 8 10.04

Barber, Marion DAL RB - 9 19.09

Barber, Tiki NYG RB - 5 1.09

Barlow, Kevan SFO RB - 6 5.09

Williams, Carnell TBB RB - 7 3.09

Battle, Arnaz SFO WR - 6 20.04

Burress, Plaxico NYG WR - 5 9.09

Galloway, Joey TBB WR - 7 11.09

Glenn, Terry DAL WR - 9 12.04

Kennison, Eddie KCC WR - 5 7.09

Moss, Santana WAS WR - 3 8.04

Wayne, Reggie IND WR - 8 4.04

Franks, Bubba GBP TE - 6 14.04

Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE - 5 2.04

Graham, Daniel NEP TE - 7 13.09

Hanson, Jason DET PK - 3 18.04

Reed, Jeff PIT PK - 4 17.09

Broncos, Denver DEN Def - 9 15.09

Colts, Indianapolis IND Def - 8 16.04

Cobalt Cruisin'

Brooks, Aaron NOS QB - 10 7.10

Ramsey, Patrick WAS QB - 3 11.10

Smith, Alex SFO QB - 6 14.03

Davis, Domanick HOU RB - 3 1.10

Dillon, Corey NEP RB - 7 2.03

Dunn, Warrick ATL RB - 8 3.10

Pittman, Michael TBB RB - 7 10.03

Curry, Ronald OAK WR - 5 16.03

Jackson, Darrell SEA WR - 8 4.03

McCardell, Keenan SDC WR - 10 9.10

Moulds, Eric BUF WR - 9 8.03

Williams, Roy DET WR - 3 5.10

Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR - 4 20.03

Crumpler, Alge ATL TE - 8 6.03

Kinney, Erron TEN TE - 10 12.03

Dawson, Phil CLE PK - 4 17.10

Janikowski, Sebastian OAK PK - 5 15.10

Cowboys, Dallas DAL Def - 9 18.03

Giants, New York NYG Def - 5 19.10

Redskins, Washington WAS Def - 3 13.10

GregR

Bledsoe, Drew DAL QB - 9 12.02

Carr, David HOU QB - 3 10.02

McNabb, Donovan PHI QB - 6 3.11

Bennett, Michael MIN RB - 5 4.02

Davenport, Najeh GBP RB - 6 17.11

Davis, Stephen CAR RB - 7 15.11

Jones, Kevin DET RB - 3 2.02

McGahee, Willis BUF RB - 9 1.11

Clayton, Mark BAL WR - 3 14.02

Coles, Laveranues NYJ WR - 8 6.02

Mason, Derrick BAL WR - 3 7.11

Porter, Jerry OAK WR - 5 8.02

Robinson, Marcus MIN WR - 5 13.11

Stokley, Brandon IND WR - 8 9.11

Campbell, Mark BUF TE - 9 20.02

Shockey, Jeremy NYG TE - 5 5.11

Longwell, Ryan GBP PK - 6 16.02

Rackers, Neil ARI PK - 6 19.11

Seahawks, Seattle SEA Def - 8 18.02

Steelers, Pittsburgh PIT Def - 4 11.11

BassNBrew

Boller, Kyle BAL QB - 3 12.01

Griese, Brian TBB QB - 7 8.01

Palmer, Carson CIN QB - 10 7.12

Anderson, Mike DEN RB - 9 9.12

Arrington, J.J. ARI RB - 6 3.12

Jones, Thomas CHI RB - 4 6.01

Taylor, Fred JAC RB - 7 4.01

Colbert, Keary CAR WR - 7 15.12

Givens, David NEP WR - 7 10.01

Holt, Torry STL WR - 9 1.12

Lewis, Greg PHI WR - 6 13.12

Owens, Terrell PHI WR - 6 2.01

Parker, Samie KCC WR - 5 17.12

Randle El, Antwaan PIT WR - 4 14.01

Anderson, Courtney OAK TE - 5 18.01

Clark, Dallas IND TE - 8 5.12

Peterson, Todd ATL PK - 8 20.01

Stover, Matt BAL PK - 3 16.01

Bills, Buffalo BUF Def - 9 11.12

Saints, New Orleans NOS Def - 10 19.12
My comments:Gatorman

Strong QBs. Incredible RBs with LT, Lewis (at 3.01?!??!), and Westbrook. Toefield and Faulk may get a little PT here and there, so they may help one or two weeks. WRs naturally are quite weak, but serviceable. But having not picked one until the end of the 6th round, what do you expect? Despite his off-field issues, McMichael in the 9th at 2 PPR?!?! :eek: Kickers and DEFs serviceable. Very strong team. Great drafting :thumbup:

Marc Levin

Average QBs. Will definitely have some bad weeks and good weeks. Better hope those "bad" weeks are made up by other positions! RBs after Alexander are a bit weak. I'm not high on Bell, and the news of him possibly even being beaten out by Anderson raises even more questions. Droughns will share time, and may have a few decent weeks, and Moe could be a decent value pick, especially given Bennett's injury history. Good WRs there -- Harrison and Ward are strong and will score well for Levin. Engram should be a nice surprise this year. Lloyd will struggle, as will the 49ers again this year. Warrick may have a surprise week in there. TEs and Kickers are decent and should score fairly well. Defenses could do fairly well in this format. Deccent drafting overall. :thumbup:

Aaron Rudnicki

Above average trio of QBs. Plummer should make up for bad weeks by Brees, and Eli may have a good week or two in there that could help fill gaps. Green and Holmes should score very well for Aaron. The rest are backups, but could see some PT here and there. Nothing real flashy at WR, but a trio of Boldin, Burleson, and J Smith could do fairly well. The rest could have a surprise week or two in there to help out. TEs are decent. Kickers are average. DEFs could do well in this format. Nice drafting overall. :thumbup:

Purplehaze

QBs overall aren't bad together, and can help make up for bad weeks, but I see a lot of inconsistency from all three. Edge and Jackson should do well. Benson and Suggs should have a couple weeks here and there to fill gaps, if needed. The news of Bettis moving up to starter with Duce's injury, makes this pick even better, and a nice value pick. Not too crazy about the WRs here, though Horn and Clayton should do pretty well. Brown, Toomer, and Williams should each have a decent week or two to fill in gaps. Three TEs is interesting, but it ensures steady production from this position, especially at 2 PPR. Kickers and DEFs aren't too shabby and should put up some points. Not bad overall! :thumbup:

Bostonfred

QBs should quietly put up some decent numbers. At the point that BF got them, they should be nice value picks. Deuce and Rudi should put up some good numbers, though I'm afraid both will be a bit inconsistent (whether it's because of injuries, strong opponents this year, or past history). The other RBs could have a good week or two to help out. The WRs I'm liking. Walker, Johnson, and Smith makes a nice trio and should put up some nice numbers. The others MAY put up a decent week here and there. TEs are very strong and should put up some nice points each week. Kickers should be about average. DEFs should be pretty strong. Overall, nice work. :thumbup:

Maurile Trembley

Can't go wrong with Manning. Strong points nearly every week. Maurile can probably get away with Warner being the only backup due to having Manning. Warner likely won't be needed much. He could surprise us all and do well in AZ, but here, he's only needed a couple times to produce SOME points, so no big deal. I like Martin a lot, and he was a steal at 3.06, but the others would have me a bit worried. Brown and Duckett will be sharing time. Duce's injuries is a concern, and can't be counted on each week (though he was a nice pick at 9.06). Bruce, Lelie, and Muhammed are your top 3 of course, but I wouldn't be too comfortable with that. Bruce should do well, but Lelie has been inconsistent since his rookie year, and though Muhammed had a blowup year last year, I don't like him in Chicago. The others may have to have more than a good week or two to pick up the slack, and I'm not entirely sure they can. Gates could be a nice pick, but I have a lot of problems with this. First off, he's the ONLY TE. If Maurile makes it to Gates' bye week, then no points. If Gates has an off week (which WILL happen, even to the best of 'em), then little to no points. Second, the concerns over Gates' contract and the possibility of him missing some games, would have me very concerned. If that were to happen, Maurile is toast. Third, with everything above and the early pick burned on getting Gates, this has other positions suffering. Kickers are very strong. Three DEFs is interesting, but decent points should come out of that position each week. Overall, not too keen on this one. :thumbdown:

Will Grant

Can't go wrong with 'Pepper, though the loss of Moss and the uncertain future has me a little concerned. Nabbing Harrington AND Garcia was a nice move, because that ensures the starting QB in DET. The new offense there has me very excited (being a Lions fan and all), and should do very well this year. One of the two should make up for any bad games from 'Pepper. Brown, Jones, Portis, and Shelton? I'm REALLY digging this group of RBs. Nice work. Bennett, Evans, and Fitz should give some decent points. Curtis, Gaffney, and Stallworth should have a surprise week or two in there to help out. TEs are decent at least, especially for when Will picked them up. Good value. Kickers should put up decent amount of points. Defenses are a little iffy, and picking CLE DEF, even at 20.06, has me scratching my head. I guess Will was ready for it to be over and there was nothing else worthwhile picking....? But overall, VERY strong team. :thumbup:

David Yudkin

The three QBs should mean decent production each week. RBs are iffy. Jordan should do well, and Foster (if he can stay healthy) should do ok. The others will get some decent PT here and there, and may have some decent weeks. But overall, I wouldn't be too comfortable with that group together. WRs are obviously strong, and the reason why the RBs overall are weak. Johnson and Moss should put up a lot of points this year. Driver should also do well again this year. Rogers (again, if he can stay healthy) should do well in that offense, and could have a few good weeks if needed. Boston and Northcutt could be decent value picks. TEs are ok, especially for when they were taken. Kickers are about average, but good values at where they were picked. Defenses should put up some good points. Overall a good team. :thumbup:

LHUCKS

Green and Pennington should be decent production each week. Little shaky at RB, in my opinion at least. Barber should do well. "Caddy" could do well and be a decent pick, but could equally be a bust and struggle. Who knows? Barlow was a decent value pick, and will put up some points, but will struggle again this year. WRs at first glance don't do much for me. But the more I look at it, the more I think it could do ok at least. Wayne should continue to do well (who wouldn't in that offense?). Kennison and Moss could put up some points, but their inconsistency has me a bit concerned. Burress and Galloway will also be inconsistent, but could be decent value picks. The other two could step up and give a decent week or two, or could be wasted picks. Who knows? TEs are extremely strong. Can't go wrong with Tony G. Couple him with Franks, and then toss in Graham, and I like it. At 2 PPR, that makes up for other shortcomings. Kickers should be ok, especially for when they were taken. DEFs will be ok overall, though nothing spectacular. Overall, this team has some big pluses (QB and TE) and some minuses (RB and possibly WR). :mellow:

Cobalt Cruisin'

Not so sure about this trio of QBs. Brooks will obviously be the one leaned on to produce the most, but he's so inconsistent. Ramsey has struggled, and this might be his last chance, so he could go either way. Smith could be a surprise, but his inexperience coupled with a struggling offense means little production this year. The Three D's, Dunn, Dillon, and Davis, should be a very nice trio. Good production from this postion, and toss in Pittman, who might have a couple decent weeks in there, and you're looking good. Nothing real flashy at WR, but I think it could work. Jackson, Moulds, and ROY should do well. Throw in McCardell, Curry (great value pick!), and Wilson, and you have a little depth too. TEs are good, and should produce well. Crumpler at 6.03 in a 2 PPR league should be very nice value. Kickers should do well, as should the defenses. Overall, I'm liking what I see! :thumbup:

GregR

QBs here should ensure some decent production from that position each week. Jones and McGahee should do well. Bennett could have some flashes of brilliance and help out, IF he can stay healthy. Davis is kind of a wasted pick. But Davenport at 17.11 is a steal. Nothing real flashy at WR here, either, but this could also work (much like Cobalt Cruisin'). There is some very nice depth at that position. TEs are ok, but expect a lot of inconsistency (can you tell I'm not a fan of Shockey?). Kickers and DEFs should put up some decent numbers. Overall, a nice team. :thumbup:

BassNBrew

Not too crazy about the QBs here, but for when BNB got them, that's not TOO bad. I wouldn't rely on them to put up big numbers every week though. Out of all the teams, BNB's RBs are probably the riskiest. Taylor is going back to his "fragile" moniker, but could be a nice pick if he can stay somewhat healthy. Arrington is the flavor of the rookie class it seems, and could do well. Hard to say how he'll do right now though. Jones should do fairly well, but with Benson in the mix, he won't be getting full PT. Finally, Anderson could be the big value pick here, especially with the news of him possibly taking over from Bell. The WRs are decent overall. Kinda hard NOT to be with Holt AND Owens on your team. Outside of them, however, you have several WRs, but not a whole lot of "pop" there if you know what I mean. I'd expect a few good weeks from each here and there, but nothing consistent. TEs should be decent. Clark should excel this year with no Pollard around. Kickers should be about average. DEFs should be ok. Bills at 11.12 should be a good value. Overall, I'm not too crazy about this one. :mellow:

My top 4:

Gatorman

BostonFred

Will Grant

Cobalt Cruisin'

Pick to win it all:

Will Grant

Though he's my pick (barring injuries of course), I still think the MB team is a bit stronger, and could still pull out the victory overall.

 
Sinrman...thanks for the well thought out analysis. Can't really argue about what you have to say related to my team, although I expect the WRs to far exceed expectations. Behind Holt and Owens, I have numerous WR2's with some very solid offensive attacks and QBs at the helm. I may be the only person on the board high on Givens, but the departure of Patten should drive up already impressive 2004 numbers.Colbert, Keary CAR WR - 7 15.12 Givens, David NEP WR - 7 10.01 Holt, Torry STL WR - 9 1.12 Lewis, Greg PHI WR - 6 13.12 Owens, Terrell PHI WR - 6 2.01 Parker, Samie KCC WR - 5 17.12 Randle El, Antwaan PIT WR - 4 14.01

 
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Sinrman -Thanks, as always, for the comprehensive league analysis. I did have a stragegy question for people in general.Why is it that going RB-RB-WR-WR is revered while going WR-WR-RB-RB is often met with distain?In a PPR league, Moss and CJ were better options than any RB on the board. So the combined scoring of stud WR should be more than the other way around. In Moss and CJ, I could have the Top 2 WR in the NFL (or at least 2 in the Top 5).The Top WR in this scoring system outscored all the Top RB last year and matched Priest and LT the year before. (Remember 0 PPR for RB in this league).So basically, I swapped the numbers from WR and RB. Would people think that taking Holmes and LT in the first two rounds was a bad play? That's essentially what I will get from Moss and CJ.If Jordan and Foster stay ont he field and do even average, I will have come out ahead.If we look at the likely approximate scoring . . .Moss 325CJ 325Jordan 175 (RB20 numbers)Foster 150 (RB 24 numbers)975 totalDillon 250AGreen 200D-Jax 250Burleson 225925 totalBut people will 9 times out of 10 rather have the second team (RB-RB-WR-WR) and will suggest the second option is stronger.We can debate if the numbers I used are in the realm of probability (I happen to think that they are way low for Jordan), but I think my point is that since it goes against standard practice people think it's either wrong or doomed for failure.(I understand that this being a Survivor league that the season totals mean very little and that the goal is to outproduce a single team each week, but for comparison the yearly numders were the only ones that made sense.)Just curious as to how people think sometimes . . .

 
LHUCKS

Green and Pennington should be decent production each week.  Little shaky at RB, in my opinion at least.  Barber should do well.  "Caddy" could do well and be a decent pick, but could equally be a bust and struggle.  Who knows?  Barlow was a decent value pick, and will put up some points, but will struggle again this year.  WRs at first glance don't do much for me.  But the more I look at it, the more I think it could do ok at least.  Wayne should continue to do well (who wouldn't in that offense?).  Kennison and Moss could put up some points, but their inconsistency has me a bit concerned.  Burress and Galloway will also be inconsistent, but could be decent value picks.  The other two could step up and give a decent week or two, or could be wasted picks.  Who knows?  TEs are extremely strong.  Can't go wrong with Tony G.  Couple him with Franks, and then toss in Graham, and I like it.  At 2 PPR, that makes up for other shortcomings.  Kickers should be ok, especially for when they were taken.  DEFs will be ok overall, though nothing spectacular.  Overall, this team has some big pluses (QB and TE) and some minuses (RB and possibly WR).   :mellow:
Solid analysis Sinrman :thumbup: Some points...

1) I purposely draft WRs with traditionally high ppg or high standard deviations in this format...I believe it is the optimal WR strategy and is the best way to maximize your WR scoring. I also mix in a few safe picks like Santana Moss, but I prefer the guys that have the occasional 25 point game.

2) I took 3 TEs because I was scared stiff about my week 5 byes.

3) I think whether you like this team depends on how high you are on Caddy and Barlow. I like both fellas to provide value, but can definitely understand why somebody would ding this squad at RB. I'm higher on Barlow, Caddy and Tiki than most.

4) I chose Denver and Indy specifically for their week 5 matchups.

 
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Don't get me wrong guys. I took everything at face value. I did take some looks at where people were drafted, hence my "good value" comments here and there. I can agree with most everyone's reasoning for taking a certain player when they did. I probably should have, but I didn't really take BYE weeks into account (you'd think I would have learned after my bye week problem in last year's MB vs. Staff challenge). That should definitely be factored in. I can understand and appreciate picks like LHUCKS who was scared of the week 5 bye week situation he was in.Heck, if I had been in this same draft, I woulda had my own drafting strategy. I'm one who usually will nab the BPA (in my opinion at least), rather than strictly go by need. So hey, after this draft, I may have given myself a :mellow: :lmao:

 
Don't get me wrong guys. I took everything at face value. I did take some looks at where people were drafted, hence my "good value" comments here and there. I can agree with most everyone's reasoning for taking a certain player when they did. I probably should have, but I didn't really take BYE weeks into account (you'd think I would have learned after my bye week problem in last year's MB vs. Staff challenge). That should definitely be factored in. I can understand and appreciate picks like LHUCKS who was scared of the week 5 bye week situation he was in.

Heck, if I had been in this same draft, I woulda had my own drafting strategy. I'm one who usually will nab the BPA (in my opinion at least), rather than strictly go by need. So hey, after this draft, I may have given myself a :mellow:

:lmao:
I don't think anyone was finding fault with your comments. Any league should welcome feedback from outsiders, especially well thought out and detailed ones.I was just curious why some people think that different strategies that could be just as (or more effective) often are frowned upon.

 
Don't get me wrong guys.  I took everything at face value.  I did take some looks at where people were drafted, hence my "good value" comments here and there.  I can agree with most everyone's reasoning for taking a certain player when they did.  I probably should have, but I didn't really take BYE weeks into account (you'd think I would have learned after my bye week problem in last year's MB vs. Staff challenge).  That should definitely be factored in.  I can understand and appreciate picks like LHUCKS who was scared of the week 5 bye week situation he was in.

Heck, if I had been in this same draft, I woulda had my own drafting strategy.  I'm one who usually will nab the BPA (in my opinion at least), rather than strictly go by need.  So hey, after this draft, I may have given myself a  :mellow:

:lmao:
I don't think anyone was finding fault with your comments. Any league should welcome feedback from outsiders, especially well thought out and detailed ones.I was just curious why some people think that different strategies that could be just as (or more effective) often are frowned upon.
I see your logic for going WR-WR. I would seriously consider it myself (and if you remember me last year, I went RB-WR-WR in the first three rounds). It CAN work, but you have to be smart about it. You are trying something outside of the norm, and should be commended for it. In fact, I like to think those are more fun to watch to see if strategies outside of the norm can work. :)
 
Don't get me wrong guys.  I took everything at face value.  I did take some looks at where people were drafted, hence my "good value" comments here and there.  I can agree with most everyone's reasoning for taking a certain player when they did.  I probably should have, but I didn't really take BYE weeks into account (you'd think I would have learned after my bye week problem in last year's MB vs. Staff challenge).  That should definitely be factored in.  I can understand and appreciate picks like LHUCKS who was scared of the week 5 bye week situation he was in.

Heck, if I had been in this same draft, I woulda had my own drafting strategy.  I'm one who usually will nab the BPA (in my opinion at least), rather than strictly go by need.  So hey, after this draft, I may have given myself a  :mellow:

:lmao:
I don't think anyone was finding fault with your comments. Any league should welcome feedback from outsiders, especially well thought out and detailed ones.I was just curious why some people think that different strategies that could be just as (or more effective) often are frowned upon.
I see your logic for going WR-WR. I would seriously consider it myself (and if you remember me last year, I went RB-WR-WR in the first three rounds). It CAN work, but you have to be smart about it. You are trying something outside of the norm, and should be commended for it. In fact, I like to think those are more fun to watch to see if strategies outside of the norm can work. :)
I have not gone RB/RB at all this year (by design) to explore the viability of different strategies. In this league I went WR-WR out of the 8 slot, which is normally a little early to consider that. But given that the upper tier of RB were all gone, I felt like it was worth the risk.I don't think I mentioned it yet, but I do think Fred has the best team. As we've seen before, that may not mean much as any team can be booted at any time (didn't the LT/Lewis owner go in the first week 2 years ago?).

 
Will Grant

Can't go wrong with 'Pepper, though the loss of Moss and the uncertain future has me a little concerned. Nabbing Harrington AND Garcia was a nice move, because that ensures the starting QB in DET. The new offense there has me very excited (being a Lions fan and all), and should do very well this year. One of the two should make up for any bad games from 'Pepper. Brown, Jones, Portis, and Shelton? I'm REALLY digging this group of RBs. Nice work. Bennett, Evans, and Fitz should give some decent points. Curtis, Gaffney, and Stallworth should have a surprise week or two in there to help out. TEs are decent at least, especially for when Will picked them up. Good value. Kickers should put up decent amount of points. Defenses are a little iffy, and picking CLE DEF, even at 20.06, has me scratching my head. I guess Will was ready for it to be over and there was nothing else worthwhile picking....? But overall, VERY strong team. :thumbup:
Of all the picks that I made, 20.06 was one of the hardest...... as odd as that sounds... I wanted three DTS.... I think the ability to blow up at any moment can't be overlooked, and given the roster limit, I wanted a third DT. However, I wrote off the third D until the end of the draft and by the time we got there, it was very slim pickings..... so the debate went something like this....

I was going to take a shot on Volek.. He's definitely got that big game potential... But with Pepp and the Detroit boys, did I really NEED him? Probably not.. Interesting how he was drafted before the end.

Then I considered Rhodes. While he'll take a back seat to James for the season unless he is hurt, Rhodes still manages a point or two a week... given the weakness at RB, 1 or 2 points might be all you need... but looking at what I gained from it, I figured it wouldn't give me much..

So I went back to the defensive pile and just took whatever was left.. Cleveland was it...

Worse case senario.. I threw away pick 20.06.... with that drafting position, if they get crazy and fire up even 1 week, they've earned their spot... if not, then I really haven't lost much..

 
I think the deepness of the WR pool and the fact that this is a survivor league hurts the effectiveness of going stud WR early. In other words, I think it is easier to put together a group of 6 or 7 WRs after round 2 that will combine to score very well for you throughout the year than it is to put together a group of 4 or 5 RBs that will combine to score well. By passing on the top-20 RBs or so...you normally wind up relying heavily on backups and RBBC members. Thus, you really need to hit on one of those RBs for it to work. I think the fact that you were able to get Lamont Jordan in the 3rd definitely helps your chances, but I wouldn't count on a RB like him being available that long in most leagues.

 
Elimination Schedule:

Weeks 1-5: one team per week

Week6/7: one team

Week 8/9: one team

Week 9/10: one team

Week 11/12: one team

Week 13/14: one team

Week 15/16: one team
How can this be a Survivor league when someone isn't eliminated every week? :confused: You guys are missing 6 other players. You need 18 teams for a Survivor league.

 
I think the deepness of the WR pool and the fact that this is a survivor league hurts the effectiveness of going stud WR early. In other words, I think it is easier to put together a group of 6 or 7 WRs after round 2 that will combine to score very well for you throughout the year than it is to put together a group of 4 or 5 RBs that will combine to score well. By passing on the top-20 RBs or so...you normally wind up relying heavily on backups and RBBC members. Thus, you really need to hit on one of those RBs for it to work. I think the fact that you were able to get Lamont Jordan in the 3rd definitely helps your chances, but I wouldn't count on a RB like him being available that long in most leagues.
I don't disagree that there is strength in numbers, and certainly there are some WR that will have a few big weeks that should help neutralize having stud WR. However, I still think that a much larger percentage of great weeks will come from the top tier of WR. Basically, when Moss has a big week, very few other WR will have similar numbers.As for RB, more than a third of NFL teams (actually almost half) had different starters throughout the season than the guy on day one. Off the top of my head, Buf, KC, Den, Cle, Min, Pit, Ten, Mia, Oak, Car, TB, and Ari fall in that category while Bal, Det, and Dal are also candidates. Long story short, the early picks on draft day at RB could very easily be wasted should something happen that changes their status. You certainly will not see turnaround like that at WR with the rare exception of injury, but I doubt the injury rate for WR is anywhere near as high as at RB.

It should be interesting to see how this plays out . . .

 
Elimination Schedule:

Weeks 1-5: one team per week

Week6/7: one team

Week 8/9: one team

Week 9/10: one team

Week 11/12: one team

Week 13/14: one team

Week 15/16: one team
How can this be a Survivor league when someone isn't eliminated every week? :confused: You guys are missing 6 other players. You need 18 teams for a Survivor league.
Actually that schedule has a mistake. It's 1 team per week for weeks 1-6. Then it's weeks 7/8, 9/10, 11/12, 13/14, and 15/16.And as for the format, this is the 4th year of what was originally an invite commentary league by FBGs. The goal was to have a 12 team draft with pre- and post-draft strategy writeups as well as commentary that went pick by pick. It wouldn't have been as useful to people to have it be 18 teams because few leagues are 18 team leagues, right? :)

 
First I'd like to thank everyone who has labelled bostonfred as the strongest team. In Survivor II history that has been tantamount to having your brother kiss you on both cheeks in the middle of a Cuban night club and tell you that he knew it was you, Fredo.I'm another one that doesn't agree that you have to have the strongest play at WR to do well. It's the position it is easiest to make up for not having picked early at, because of how variable their scoring is. And that definitely played a role in my draft strategy. I was picking out of the 11 spot and knew Peyton would go before me, and probably Moss, which would give me two top 12 RBs. Then come back in 3 and 4 and hope to get a top 3 QB or TE, and then another NFL starting RB. After that, try to fill in with quality WRs with upside. I also wanted to be amongst the first few to take a first kicker and defense if possible, and then be one of the later ones to take a backup.My draft went very close to plan. McGahee and Kevin Jones. I wanted Arrington and McNabb at the turn in the 3rd. Was ecstatic McNabb made it to me (this was pre-TO camp kickout), was disappointed Arrington went before my 4th round pick. If I had it to do over again, I would pass on Bennett and gone WR and then taken backup RBs later as there were still some guys later who would have sufficed as backups given my starters.Considering my first WR was taken in the 6th round, I'm extremely happy with them. I went with much the same strategy last year, but this year's crop are much better by comparison. Coles, Mason, Porter and Stokley in particular, and I like Marcus' Robinson's chances of being the end zone target this year. Mark Clayton is a hunch. There are a few other WRs I considered taking over him, but I have a feeling he's going to be the best rookie WR this year.I got Shockey who was my 4th TE and who I had a fairly big drop after, and he lasted longer than I expected given this is a 2 pt reception league for TEs. I think Eli is going to rely on him heavily this year. Had I passed on him, I would have tried to wait for Eric Johnson.Got the Pittsburgh D which was my top defense, and Seattle not only has a great schedule in terms of playing weak offenses, but they also line up very well with weak opponents when Pittsburgh is playing tough opponents. Kicker I wasn't as happy with, but against this group of drafters you can't get a top guy everywhere. Longwell should be decent, and I took Rackers as a bit of a sleeper, as I believe it's very possible the Arizona offense is going to make big strides this year.I would also have liked to get a stronger backup TE, but looking back I don't know what pick I would have changed for one.I recall someone didn't like the S.Davis pick. It could be a wasted pick and it definitely has the most risk amongst all my picks. But he had more potential than anyone else on the board at that point to step back into a starting role or at least RBBC without an injury occuring to the starter. Though Bennett is not the safest RB3, he's also got a lot more upside than most, so I figured I could take this risk on with a 15th round pick. And I was happy to get Davenport later to help mitigate the risk of Davis doesn't work out as a RB4.

 
My comments:

Gatorman

Strong QBs. Incredible RBs with LT, Lewis (at 3.01?!??!), and Westbrook. Toefield and Faulk may get a little PT here and there, so they may help one or two weeks. WRs naturally are quite weak, but serviceable. But having not picked one until the end of the 6th round, what do you expect? Despite his off-field issues, McMichael in the 9th at 2 PPR?!?! :eek: Kickers and DEFs serviceable. Very strong team. Great drafting :thumbup:

Gatorman

BostonFred

Will Grant

Cobalt Cruisin'

Pick to win it all:

Will Grant

Though he's my pick (barring injuries of course), I still think the MB team is a bit stronger, and could still pull out the victory overall.
Thanks for the kind words. If I had anything about this draft that I could change it would be when I took my kickers relative to my defenses. Miami was not my forst choice and I probably should have taken one of the defensive combos I had in mind with a double pick and forgotten about it. I thought that my sleeper defense (the KC chiefs) would be there at the last pick in 20 because they were valued so low. Should have taken them at 19.01 and taken any K left at 20.12I also agree with aaron on the WR thing. I think that Maurile and Yudkin were saved by the fact that everyone seemed to change their strategy this year. The history of this draft has been one of not just stud RB, but stud running back depletion. The fact that so many people were changing gears this year made HAVE to take J Lewis so these guys wouldn't be rewarded for changing their draft strategies. I have to admit I was very frustrated by the run on WRs since most Survivor drafts I have seen have the 1 spot taking Tomlinson and then getting 2 WRs of the Chad and holt ilk, but changing on the fly is what I do best. The 2 QB thing was as close to being "on tilt" as I have ever been in FF and probably led to my weakness at K and D. However, I will say that Miami's D may be better than it was last year in the point getting categories: Sacks, Turnovers, TDs, and special team TDs. This team will attack on D more and will scheme for opponents as opposed to "just lining up in our base and forcing you to beat us." I don't see them holding down scoring, but I think they may score more points than they did last year.

 
I think the deepness of the WR pool and the fact that this is a survivor league hurts the effectiveness of going stud WR early. In other words, I think it is easier to put together a group of 6 or 7 WRs after round 2 that will combine to score very well for you throughout the year than it is to put together a group of 4 or 5 RBs that will combine to score well. By passing on the top-20 RBs or so...you normally wind up relying heavily on backups and RBBC members. Thus, you really need to hit on one of those RBs for it to work. I think the fact that you were able to get Lamont Jordan in the 3rd definitely helps your chances, but I wouldn't count on a RB like him being available that long in most leagues.
I saw things a bit different this year that forced my hand. I don't see a bit of difference between the RBs at the 1/2 turn and the 2/3 turn. In the IBF I would have traded out of the 2.1-2.3 down to the late second for basically nothing. If I had gone RB/RB at the turn in this league, I would have been giving up ground to all the stud RBs and then making up nothing at the RB2 spot. Then you guys at the front would have jumped me on the WRs gaining further advantage. I was forced to go WR in this draft to level the playing field. I knew Taylor would slip and was willing to take that risk as I don't think you can play conservative from the back of the field and beat a group this strong. We'll see how it works out...I realize that stud WR has never worked in this format before so I have long odds to beat.
 
First I'd like to thank everyone who has labelled bostonfred as the strongest team. In Survivor II history that has been tantamount to having your brother kiss you on both cheeks in the middle of a Cuban night club and tell you that he knew it was you, Fredo.
Or maybe it's a sign that you guys are finally getting better.
 
First I'd like to thank everyone who has labelled bostonfred as the strongest team.  In Survivor II history that has been tantamount to having your brother kiss you on both cheeks in the middle of a Cuban night club and tell you that he knew it was you, Fredo.
Or maybe it's a sign that you guys are finally getting better.
I think my squad was pretty much the consensus favorite last year...and then I was eliminated in week 1. :cry:

 
Elimination Schedule:

Weeks 1-5: one team per week

Week6/7: one team

Week 8/9: one team

Week 9/10: one team

Week 11/12: one team

Week 13/14: one team

Week 15/16: one team
How can this be a Survivor league when someone isn't eliminated every week? :confused: You guys are missing 6 other players. You need 18 teams for a Survivor league.
And as for the format, this is the 4th year of what was originally an invite commentary league by FBGs. The goal was to have a 12 team draft with pre- and post-draft strategy writeups as well as commentary that went pick by pick. It wouldn't have been as useful to people to have it be 18 teams because few leagues are 18 team leagues, right? :)
I'm actually in the 6th year of a Survivor league that uses 18 teams. One and done. No immunity or sticking around if you're low score for the week.Also, by its very format a Survivor league has little or nothing to do with a traditional league (as supported by comments to that effect in this thread). So using 12 teams seems to be trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

So I'd conjecture that its neither useful for a Survivor league or a 12 team redraft league. But maybe that's just me. :shrug:

 
I was going to take a shot on Volek.. He's definitely got that big game potential... But with Pepp and the Detroit boys, did I really NEED him? Probably not.. Interesting how he was drafted before the end.
By the Steve McNair owner - my plan was to get McNair and Volek on the cheap as my QB2/3.That QB run, though, killed me when my QB 1 became Delhomme. I'm still confident that my Qbs will be competitive. I am probabl yhigher on both McNair and Delhomme than most others - I see Delhomme as Brady-lite in terms of fantasy production.
 
First I'd like to thank everyone who has labelled bostonfred as the strongest team.   In Survivor II history that has been tantamount to having your brother kiss you on both cheeks in the middle of a Cuban night club and tell you that he knew it was you, Fredo.
Or maybe it's a sign that you guys are finally getting better.
I think my squad was pretty much the consensus favorite last year...and then I was eliminated in week 1. :cry:
That's true it was a shocker - I recall you tracked yourself for the rest of the year, right?
 

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