BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Nice showing in the super bowl Ced.Stuck behind an old, less talented RB because the Coaching Staff was affraid to start me for it would cause a disturbance among the veterens in the locker room.WHERE YA BEEN????
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I just thought wwrwd......(What Would Ricky Williams Do)Nice showing in the super bowl Ced.Stuck behind an old, less talented RB because the Coaching Staff was affraid to start me for it would cause a disturbance among the veterens in the locker room.WHERE YA BEEN????
moleculo
Footballguy
what does the dictionary say about sarcasm?
Might be a nice idea to know what you're talking about before you type. If you had looked up "durability" in the dictionary after Benson's career at Texas was finished, Ced's picture would have been staring back at you.
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Reaper
Footballguy
Well, that was also the extra pick the Jets got from the Skins..... Plus they would have had to get a RB in the draft or another FA and spend it... I can see the Jets drafting another RB next year.What did the Skins get for that second?
cstu
Footballguy
Booker would be a great pick for the Bears, bad for Benson owners though.IMO Say hello to Booker as the speed back. And I do like him in a Warrick Dunn type role.But I think its a dumb, dumb trade on the Bears part and a good move by the Jets. But, we'll know better after the draft.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I don't think it was.A nice "what does the dictionary say about sarcasm?
Might be a nice idea to know what you're talking about before you type. If you had looked up "durability" in the dictionary after Benson's career at Texas was finished, Ced's picture would have been staring back at you.
" after his statement would have removed all doubt, though. 
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
That is very surprising at how little Chicago got for TJ. At his salary they should have just kept him on their roster if that is all they were going to get. Good trade for the Jets and I don't think TJ is anything other than (at best) an average starting RB in the NFL.Fullback Fro said:
Well i think you're nothing other than (at best) an average starting RB in the NFL. So there!!!DaTruth
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Will someone please tell me what Chicago got for T Jones?
I thought the Bears had moved up to #37 in the second round, but its not showing up anywhere as that.
If they moved up to #37, then I love the idea of trading up to #6 with Briggs and #31. But without that pick I can't see the Bears doing it.
Bueller.......
I thought the Bears had moved up to #37 in the second round, but its not showing up anywhere as that.
If they moved up to #37, then I love the idea of trading up to #6 with Briggs and #31. But without that pick I can't see the Bears doing it.
Bueller.......
The Bears moved their own late round 2nd rounder, and Jones for pick #37.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Thats what I thought. NFL.com has it wrong on their board.
Not surprising...
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I would at least wait until Benson has the chance, this season, to show his worth.
RBM
Footballguy
Based on what? Or just a hunch?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
He averaged 4 yards per
for 150+ carries.
I wouldn't say he looked VERY good at all.
He looked average to me, and I think he will
look below average when attempting to take
on Thomas Jones' workload on top of his own.
Prediction remains: BUST
for 150+ carries.
I wouldn't say he looked VERY good at all.
He looked average to me, and I think he will
look below average when attempting to take
on Thomas Jones' workload on top of his own.
Prediction remains: BUST
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
.... not to mention he averaged 2.7 YPC during the playoffswhile TJ looked dominant against the exact same defenses.2007 playoffsThomas Jones 5.5 YPC 5 TDsCedric Benson 2.7 YPC 1 TD.
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The guy doesnt go down easy at all, he reminds me of LJ the way he runs. I think you just have some Benson haters is all cuz they dont own him. It was the same negative comments that TJ had before he went on to chicago. Im sure people remember how TJ was doggedYup. And he was a dominant college runner, top 5 pick.....I dont see the Barlow comparisons.It wasnt based on how he ran last year, he looked VERY good.Based on what? Or just a hunch?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I'll turn the tables on this one, Tag.My take is the Benson owners are pumping the guy upwhen the numbers just aren't there. I don't know if you watched any of the playoff games, but Benson looked awful,while TJ shredded defenses. The artificially inflated value is a result of the pumping of Benson from FF owners. Until I see him performing up to expectations on the field, I will stand by my "bust" prediction.The guy doesnt go down easy at all, he reminds me of LJ the way he runs. I think you just have some Benson haters is all cuz they dont own him. It was the same negative comments that TJ had before he went on to chicago. Im sure people remember how TJ was doggedYup. And he was a dominant college runner, top 5 pick.....I dont see the Barlow comparisons.It wasnt based on how he ran last year, he looked VERY good. :XBased on what? Or just a hunch?
RBM
Footballguy
What should make Benson a very good back, his biggest strength, probably wouldnt equate to being a part tim back. The guy needs to get the rock alot, and punish defenses after trying to bring him down all gameI'll turn the tables on this one, Tag.My take is the Benson owners are pumping the guy upwhen the numbers just aren't there. I don't know if you watched any of the playoff games, but Benson looked awful,while TJ shredded defenses.The guy doesnt go down easy at all, he reminds me of LJ the way he runs. I think you just have some Benson haters is all cuz they dont own him. It was the same negative comments that TJ had before he went on to chicago. Im sure people remember how TJ was doggedYup. And he was a dominant college runner, top 5 pick.....I dont see the Barlow comparisons.It wasnt based on how he ran last year, he looked VERY good.Based on what? Or just a hunch?
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
You're not on a typewriter, buddy. You can just keep typing and the computer will start a new line when you need one.I'll turn the tables on this one, Tag.My take is the Benson owners are pumping the guy upwhen the numbers just aren't there. I don't know if you watched any of the playoff games, but Benson looked awful,while TJ shredded defenses. The artificially inflated value is a result of the pumping of Benson from FF owners. Until I see him performing up to expectations on the field, I will stand by my "bust" prediction.The guy doesnt go down easy at all, he reminds me of LJ the way he runs. I think you just have some Benson haters is all cuz they dont own him. It was the same negative comments that TJ had before he went on to chicago. Im sure people remember how TJ was doggedYup. And he was a dominant college runner, top 5 pick.....I dont see the Barlow comparisons.It wasnt based on how he ran last year, he looked VERY good.Based on what? Or just a hunch?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Unfortunately, I live in Chicago and watched all of the Bears' playoff games. [Packer fan - life in Chicago last year sucked!] Jones looked awesome in the playoffs - partly because he had ENORMOUS holes to run through. Ron M - if you watched the games, you would know that too.Benson looked good at times, poor at others. He seemed to lack vision - partly because the Bears O-line failed to open holes for him. Honestly, there were times with Benson in the backfield that the O-line looked completely overwhelmed. I can think of 4 reasons for this: 1) the O-line really didn't block well for Benson, 2) Benson has poor vision and made the line look bad, 3) defenses swarmed the run game with Benson in there, 4) I'm wrong about all of the above and it's an inaccurate reflection of reality.Obviously I don't see choice #4 as the issue. Rather, to me it's a combination of #2 & 3. At times Benson DOES seem to lack vision - which is strange given that he carried the rock for so long at Texas. And defenses DID stack the line to stop Benson, whereas they didn't seem to do that as much vs. Thomas Jones. This isn't a reflection of Jones running ability. Instead, it's a reflection on the Bears PLAY CALLING. Early in the year, if Benson entered the game, it was almost guaranteed to be a running play, as Benson was a liability pass blocking. By the playoffs, that definitely was not the case. In fact, Benson appeared to be the superior pass blocker by year end. But he was still a limited threat as a receiver.Anyway, I'd love to hear some actual analysis from the Benson haters. Because frankly, comments like "he sucks" or "he's a bust" or "he looked awful" tell me absolutely nothing. I'm a lazy man, but it would be cool to see someone break down footage of Benson vs. Jones from last year.I'll turn the tables on this one, Tag.My take is the Benson owners are pumping the guy upwhen the numbers just aren't there. I don't know if you watched any of the playoff games, but Benson looked awful,while TJ shredded defenses. The artificially inflated value is a result of the pumping of Benson from FF owners. Until I see him performing up to expectations on the field, I will stand by my "bust" prediction.The guy doesnt go down easy at all, he reminds me of LJ the way he runs. I think you just have some Benson haters is all cuz they dont own him. It was the same negative comments that TJ had before he went on to chicago. Im sure people remember how TJ was doggedYup. And he was a dominant college runner, top 5 pick.....I dont see the Barlow comparisons.It wasnt based on how he ran last year, he looked VERY good.Based on what? Or just a hunch?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
You answered you own question when you stated that during the playoffsit was not a guaranteed running play when Benson was in. If you look at the numbers,you'll see that 5.5 YPC for TJ and 2.7 for Benson is quite a gap.These 2 faced the exact same defensive sets in similar situations.The numbers don't lie in this case.imo, you hit the nail when pointing out Benson's lack of vision.I agree with TAG that he is a strong powerful runner, but he seems tolack the vision and foresight to make the most out of each carry.His lateral movement is also weak compared to Thomas Jones.Unfortunately, I live in Chicago and watched all of the Bears' playoff games. [Packer fan - life in Chicago last year sucked!] Jones looked awesome in the playoffs - partly because he had ENORMOUS holes to run through. Ron M - if you watched the games, you would know that too.Benson looked good at times, poor at others. He seemed to lack vision - partly because the Bears O-line failed to open holes for him. Honestly, there were times with Benson in the backfield that the O-line looked completely overwhelmed. I can think of 4 reasons for this: 1) the O-line really didn't block well for Benson, 2) Benson has poor vision and made the line look bad, 3) defenses swarmed the run game with Benson in there, 4) I'm wrong about all of the above and it's an inaccurate reflection of reality.Obviously I don't see choice #4 as the issue. Rather, to me it's a combination of #2 & 3. At times Benson DOES seem to lack vision - which is strange given that he carried the rock for so long at Texas. And defenses DID stack the line to stop Benson, whereas they didn't seem to do that as much vs. Thomas Jones. This isn't a reflection of Jones running ability. Instead, it's a reflection on the Bears PLAY CALLING. Early in the year, if Benson entered the game, it was almost guaranteed to be a running play, as Benson was a liability pass blocking. By the playoffs, that definitely was not the case. In fact, Benson appeared to be the superior pass blocker by year end. But he was still a limited threat as a receiver.Anyway, I'd love to hear some actual analysis from the Benson haters. Because frankly, comments like "he sucks" or "he's a bust" or "he looked awful" tell me absolutely nothing. I'm a lazy man, but it would be cool to see someone break down footage of Benson vs. Jones from last year.I'll turn the tables on this one, Tag.My take is the Benson owners are pumping the guy upwhen the numbers just aren't there. I don't know if you watched any of the playoff games, but Benson looked awful,while TJ shredded defenses. The artificially inflated value is a result of the pumping of Benson from FF owners. Until I see him performing up to expectations on the field, I will stand by my "bust" prediction.The guy doesnt go down easy at all, he reminds me of LJ the way he runs. I think you just have some Benson haters is all cuz they dont own him. It was the same negative comments that TJ had before he went on to chicago. Im sure people remember how TJ was doggedYup. And he was a dominant college runner, top 5 pick.....I dont see the Barlow comparisons.It wasnt based on how he ran last year, he looked VERY good.Based on what? Or just a hunch?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Hey Ron - did you watch all of the Bears' playoff games? Just curious, because while I stated that it wasn't a guaranteed running play when Benson was in, it still appeared that defenses were playing it AS IF it would be a running play. Without breaking down each play, I wouldn't be able to definitively state that "the numbers don't lie" and that Benson & Jones "faced the exact same defensive sets". I don't necessarily disagree with you - I simply don't have enough info to make that determination.But yeah, per your comments, Ced's lack of vision would be my biggest concern. Fortunately, I'm not a Chicago fan, so it doesn't really matter to me as a fan. Unfortunately, my team is currently relying on Vernand Morency and Noah Herron instead!Again - would love to see someone more ambitious than me (re: less lazy) break down actual tape of Jones & Benson from the playoffs.You answered you own question when you stated that during the playoffsit was not a guaranteed running play when Benson was in. If you look at the numbers,you'll see that 5.5 YPC for TJ and 2.7 for Benson is quite a gap.These 2 faced the exact same defensive sets in similar situations.The numbers don't lie in this case.imo, you hit the nail when pointing out Benson's lack of vision.I agree with TAG that he is a strong powerful runner, but he seems tolack the vision and foresight to make the most out of each carry.His lateral movement is also weak compared to Thomas Jones.Unfortunately, I live in Chicago and watched all of the Bears' playoff games. [Packer fan - life in Chicago last year sucked!] Jones looked awesome in the playoffs - partly because he had ENORMOUS holes to run through. Ron M - if you watched the games, you would know that too.Benson looked good at times, poor at others. He seemed to lack vision - partly because the Bears O-line failed to open holes for him. Honestly, there were times with Benson in the backfield that the O-line looked completely overwhelmed. I can think of 4 reasons for this: 1) the O-line really didn't block well for Benson, 2) Benson has poor vision and made the line look bad, 3) defenses swarmed the run game with Benson in there, 4) I'm wrong about all of the above and it's an inaccurate reflection of reality.Obviously I don't see choice #4 as the issue. Rather, to me it's a combination of #2 & 3. At times Benson DOES seem to lack vision - which is strange given that he carried the rock for so long at Texas. And defenses DID stack the line to stop Benson, whereas they didn't seem to do that as much vs. Thomas Jones. This isn't a reflection of Jones running ability. Instead, it's a reflection on the Bears PLAY CALLING. Early in the year, if Benson entered the game, it was almost guaranteed to be a running play, as Benson was a liability pass blocking. By the playoffs, that definitely was not the case. In fact, Benson appeared to be the superior pass blocker by year end. But he was still a limited threat as a receiver.Anyway, I'd love to hear some actual analysis from the Benson haters. Because frankly, comments like "he sucks" or "he's a bust" or "he looked awful" tell me absolutely nothing. I'm a lazy man, but it would be cool to see someone break down footage of Benson vs. Jones from last year.I'll turn the tables on this one, Tag.My take is the Benson owners are pumping the guy upwhen the numbers just aren't there. I don't know if you watched any of the playoff games, but Benson looked awful,while TJ shredded defenses. The artificially inflated value is a result of the pumping of Benson from FF owners. Until I see him performing up to expectations on the field, I will stand by my "bust" prediction.The guy doesnt go down easy at all, he reminds me of LJ the way he runs. I think you just have some Benson haters is all cuz they dont own him. It was the same negative comments that TJ had before he went on to chicago. Im sure people remember how TJ was doggedYup. And he was a dominant college runner, top 5 pick.....I dont see the Barlow comparisons.It wasnt based on how he ran last year, he looked VERY good.Based on what? Or just a hunch?
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