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T.Polamalu Interception (1 Viewer)
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BoulderBob
Footballguy
The NFL was very WWF-like with the call in question....
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I remember in 1993 the Giants/Cowboys met in the final game of the season for the division title (I believe it was the game Emmitt played with a seperated shoulder and still had 200 yards). The Giants had the ball deep in the red zone on a 3rd and goal. LB Ken Norton was supposed to cover RB Dave Meggett out of the backfield. Phil Simms rolled out to the right with Meggett in front of him. Once Norton saw Simms start to run, he went after Simms instead and was met by a block by Meggett (behind the line of scrimmage). Having no one to throw to, Simms simply ran out of bounds to settle for a FG attempt.Norton got flagged for PASS INTERFERENCE when there was never even a pass thrown when he was blocked by the intended receiver behind the line of scrimmage. That gave the Giants an automatic first down and of course they scored a TD. Dallas went on to win (barely), but as a Cowboys fan that was a BRUTAL call. I still don't know how you can call pass interference when the ball was never thrown.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
I dont think so.Shepard never had two feet down nor complete possession of the ball. That was a marginal call but (being a Bucs fan) I wont complain, it was correct.
TP was in complete possession, two knees down, butt on ground and a football move made BEFORE the ball came out. It is incomprehensable that the Refs would of even thought or over turning the call.
Worst replay call in the History of the NFL... Close to the worst call in NFL history if you dont include the Testaverde TD 1.5 yards from the goalline.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
Isn't there some kind of rule where the guy has to make a football move after possesion? There's something about the WR having to catch the ball, come down with two feet and make a football move (if the play is not on the sidelines). I'm not sure if this is accurate, but if it is, he never made a football move. His football move was getting up and he fumbled the ball before he ever got up to complete the move (thus the ref refering to his knee still being on the ground). I voted that it was a horrible call, I'm just trying to come up with some kind of explanation based on the way the replay ref described the incompletion. Can somebody clarify this rule?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It was an awful call, but I think to be the worst call ever, the Colts would have had to had won the game. The worst call ever should be one that directly changed the outcome of the game.
The football move "rule" is stupid itself. Using solely that logic the following are not completed passes:1. Receiver catches ball diving/prone/sliding, keeps hold on the ball, but defender touches him on ground. Since he's down, he can't make a football move. Therefore it's not a catch.2. Receiver catches ball in end zone and stands there. Ref comes and takes ball away. No football move, no catch.3. Reciver makes catch but gets injured/knocked out, but keeps ball. No move, no catch.I hate the whole "footbnall move" terminology.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Can any of you voting yes read a ####ing rule book?Morelli made the correct call within the way the rule is written.While I personally believe his call violates the "spirit" of the rule, as it was written for plays where a guy gets hit upon catching a ball, he still adhered to the way it should be applied.If you think it was an interception, tough. Learn what the NFL calls an interception.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Watch it again. Faneca clearly moved. Even Dierdorf saw it, which speaks volumes.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I wouldn't say Faneca clearly moved. It was barely a flinch and had to be replayed on television several times before many saw it. Granted, the refs are paid to notice things like that, but it was pretty subtle. Yes, he did move, but to say he clearly moved is a bit extreme.
Norseman
Footballguy
Exactly what I was thinking. They kept showing the same replay from the same angle. This was a playoff game, there should be other angles that they could show us.That said I was still surprised that it was over turned.
I saw it the first time they replayed it, and the Colts players obviously saw it or they wouldn't all have jumped off sides.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Exactly the way it was called. He hadnt made a move to signify possession before kicking it away from himself.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
You're wrong. The refs blew it. Although it ultimately didn't change the outcome of the game, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Steelers (again) got an apology from the NFL. And for the record, being rude and insulting is a very poor substitute for making a case.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Norville, Normally I agree, but normally Im not having to tell 50 people how to read a rule book.
If you're one of them, so be it.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If the officials had a replay which we didn't see, it is possible that they felt that he didn't have full possession of the ball when he rolled over. In the replay that they showed over and over, I thought I saw a point where the ball could have been moving ever so slightly when he went to the ground and rolled over the ball, only to start to get up and have it hit his knee to lose it.If that were the case, he never had continuous possession of the ball and therefore it would have to be an incomplete pass (instead of a fumble) once it hit the ground.I personally did not feel that way and IMO there was no conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the field. But they did, so what do I know.
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
If that was the case the Official certainly did not refer to it in his detailed explanation of his overule.
brettdj
Footballguy
Does anybody watch NFL Network? Do you watch official review on Wednesdays?This is still the classic case of catching a ball while hitting the ground. A receiver(defender in this case) must maintain possession thru hitting the ground and getting up. If possesion is lost at any time during this sequence it is Incomplete.The football move is only for when a player catches the ball and stays on his feet. So the official called this correctly in his overturning of the INT.case closed
Snot Bubbler
Footballguy
Not sure what you're talking about here.
Abso-freaking-lutely! Somebody was offsides. The ball is never snapped and the play is blown dead with half the Colts defense in the Steelers backfield. How is this not a penalty on somebody? The replays don't show any offensive movement, so it should have been called on the defense. But how do you blow the whistle and then say there is no foul, when half the defense has crossed the neutral zone?
Didn't see those.
I totally agree. The Steelers were getting jobbed.
78 posts in a thread and no one has cited the actual rule in the rulebook? FLA\/\/ED
Tell me how the rule reads (I can't find it in my 2001 version) and I'll tell you what I feel about the call.
Seems like everyone here is insisting that it's fumble or it's an interception and not a one has said why, according to the rulebook. If all you're going to say is "IT'S AN INTERCEPTION" or "WORST CALL EVER" or "READ THE RULEBOOK", then what's the point?
Tell me how the rule reads (I can't find it in my 2001 version) and I'll tell you what I feel about the call.
Seems like everyone here is insisting that it's fumble or it's an interception and not a one has said why, according to the rulebook. If all you're going to say is "IT'S AN INTERCEPTION" or "WORST CALL EVER" or "READ THE RULEBOOK", then what's the point?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Even if the replay did show movement, the fact is the officials did not throw a flag for a false start. So if it wasn't a false start then it should have been offsides by the defense. It has to be one or the other. Not calling anything on the play was a clear indication to me that the officials didn't know what they were doing.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
False.When the player has possession of the ball, and has two feet down (one foot, two knees, a butt and another foot) he has undisputable possession of the ball. Otherwise there would be a TON more incomplete calls in the league when Receivers just get up and throw the ball to the ref.
He even made a football move.
After the two knees and the roll, he was in possession, without question.
The rule you talked about is if the player has the ball squirting around, or did not have full possesion of the ball when he was going down. There was absolutely NO dispute he had the ball in his hand completely.
It is being called one of the worst calls in NFL history... To overturn a call when there was absolutely NOTHING to overturn it. You can spin it just like the Ref did, which his explanation was terrible.
Things have to change, that officiating was HORRIBLE.
MauryPovich
Footballguy
Ive had it with these refs. How the hell can you screw up review??!?!?!Also, Ive had it with situations like the following: a ref is right on top of the play and refuses to make a call. Instead, he waits for another ref (God knows how far away he was) to come over, discusses it for a couple seconds, then makes the call. All the while, the fans are on the edge of their seats. IF YOU CANT MAKE A CALL WHEN YOURE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE PLAY, GET OUT OF THE LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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streamkeeper
Footballguy
I thought it was convient that the network took a commercial break, so Indy had 5 mins to look at the play. IMHO if the Steelers could have run out on to the field and snapped the ball, Tony would have had a much more difficult decision. Hey wait, the quick snap is a Colt tactic.If the Steelers would have lost yesterday it would been very unfortunate for the NFL. There was simply too many bad calls by the officiating crew. The Steelers had to win that game three different time. I guess we know now who wants to go to the Super Bowl more.
zadok
Footballguy
Considering it was a playoff game, the totality of the calls made it the worst officiated game I've ever seen. These have all been mentioned, so let's summarize. 1. Pass Interference never called on Colts even though it was blatant 2. Whole Colts Defensive line jumped offsides, play whistled dead, NO PENALTY ON EITHER TEAM3. Manning sacked for a safety – yet he was ruled down at the 14. The Polamalu Interception that was reversed I can live with #1, happens fairly often, no big deal. I can chalk up #2 to an anomaly; everybody got confused, refs basically covering their butts, let them have a “do-over”.But #3 and #4 are so beyond excusable in my book, something has to be done to that crew.
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Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
D. Worst three poll choices I've ever seen. :dingdingding:
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
You are certainly welcome to your opinion, SWC. Unfortunately, your opinion is completely contrary to the NFL rulebook on this one. Not like it? I understand. Say it is the wrong call according to the rulebook? Can't do that.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
The Coin Toss. I forgot about that one. That was the Steelers also.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
One explanation...... refs on crack
Tecumseh
Footballguy
Browns vs. Jags in the infamous bottle throwing game. Questionable reception by the Browns on 4th down, which results in a 1st down. They line up and run another play (which may have actually been a TD, IIRC). Browns lead in the waning moments. The refs decide that even tho another play has been run, they will go back to the questionable catch, overturn it, giving Jax the ball and the game. Bottle chucking at the refs ensues.
The Commish
Footballguy
I think everyone agrees that #1. You have to have possession of the ball and #2. Make a football move for the interception to be legit, right? Can someone explain to me how you make a football move while you are down on the ground??NOTE: I don't have a dog in the fight, but I am curious to hear WHY the call was the worst ever in your opinions.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Hypothetical: Polamalu makes the catch but hurts his leg and lays there holding the ball. Would it have been ruled an incomplete pass?
SWC
Bromigo
I think it was a forward pass, thereby making it an illegal play. If you disagree, and think it was a pure lateral or backwards pass, then you are correct. I'm not here to argue with you about the play -- I merely listed it in response to the question about which calls were possibly worse than the no-interception call at issue here.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Here is the definition of possession from nfl.com
23. Possession: When a player controls the ball throughout the act of clearly touching both feet, or any other part of his body other than his hand(s), to the ground inbounds
http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/definitions
TP had possession of the ball when his butt was on the ground. He didn't have to make a football move.
Unless the refs said he didn't have possession (which they didn't - gave us some story about his knee not being off the turf ??) than its an interception.
TP fumbled and picked up the ball - end of story.
23. Possession: When a player controls the ball throughout the act of clearly touching both feet, or any other part of his body other than his hand(s), to the ground inbounds
http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/definitions
TP had possession of the ball when his butt was on the ground. He didn't have to make a football move.
Unless the refs said he didn't have possession (which they didn't - gave us some story about his knee not being off the turf ??) than its an interception.
TP fumbled and picked up the ball - end of story.
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