Tackles given based on stadium (1 Viewer)

[JoeBoxers43]

there was a post a while back by someone which showed the amount of solo tackles, assisted tackles, and others given to teams based on home/away and stadium. anyone know where it is, or if it was updated for this year?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=332835

I haven't posted an update yet, but I'm hoping to do so in early August

 

[Jene Bramel]

Here is the main thread with that information.

I don't know if Aaron has updated his database with new numbers; I'm sure he'll check in to say for sure. However, the NFL gave its statisticians some more guidelines with regard to unofficial defensive statistics last summer and some of the anomalies Aaron noted normalized. For example, the stat crews awarded a significantly lower number of passes defensed last season and the Philly crew is now in line with the rest of the league.

I'm in the process of putting together an article summarizing those guidelines -- hopefully it'll be posted within a week or so.

 

[spec1alk]

When you post the 2008 edition, it should be linked in the warehouse thread.

 

[JoeBoxers43]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=332835

I haven't posted an update yet, but I'm hoping to do so in early August

it says the data is from 2005, is there any possible way to compare it to 2006 and 2007, if ud like, i wouldnt mind helping if ud tell me wat to do and how u came up with these numbers

 

[Jene Bramel]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=332835

I haven't posted an update yet, but I'm hoping to do so in early August

it says the data is from 2005, is there any possible way to compare it to 2006 and 2007, if ud like, i wouldnt mind helping if ud tell me wat to do and how u came up with these numbers

I'll let Aaron answer the specific question, but it's worth noting that the advantage you might get with these anomalies has gotten much slimmer. More information to come.

 

[JoeBoxers43]

bump

 

[Jene Bramel]

bump

The article summarizing the NFL guidelines is in the can and should be posted early this week. Aaron is working hard to finish his 2007 database and is still targeting a mid-August release date if all goes well.

 

[rockalum]

its not scientific, but i've always thought from looking at boxscores that the 'elite' defensvie players see their numbers higher at home. much higher sometimes.

 

[Jene Bramel]

its not scientific, but i've always thought from looking at boxscores that the 'elite' defensvie players see their numbers higher at home. much higher sometimes.

This is very likely because home stat crews know their players better and more easily and correctly spot jersey numbers of their own players versus their opponents.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Here's my review of some of the disappearing discrepancies among the NFL's unofficial tackle and passes defensed stats and why it's occurring.

 

[Rozelle]

A long time coming getting some clarity on the subject. Did they say why T/A and PD are not official stats? Stat crew, whats that, two people?

Great Job!!!!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Here's my review of some of the disappearing discrepancies among the NFL's unofficial tackle and passes defensed stats and why it's occurring.

Great article, Jene.

 

[JoeBoxers43]

Aaron, hows the list coming along?

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Is it just me or are these two rules at odds with each other from a theoretical standpoint?

* Award solo tackle if the ballcarrier steps out of bounds to avoid imminent contact with defender.

* Do not award assisted tackles on quarterback slides.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Is it just me or are these two rules at odds with each other from a theoretical standpoint? * Award solo tackle if the ballcarrier steps out of bounds to avoid imminent contact with defender. * Do not award assisted tackles on quarterback slides.

Why? I don't see any issue with the first rule. The second just suggests that an assisted tackle (a second defender that materially shortens the duration of a play) really isn't possible when the quarterback slides (usually) to avoid a single defender.

 

[JoeBoxers43]

any updates on this..sorry for being annoying, my draft is 10 days away, hopefully i will be able to have a good read from u guys before my big idp draft

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

working on it now. hoping to get it written up and posted to the site by the weekend or early next week.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Is it just me or are these two rules at odds with each other from a theoretical standpoint? * Award solo tackle if the ballcarrier steps out of bounds to avoid imminent contact with defender. * Do not award assisted tackles on quarterback slides.

Why? I don't see any issue with the first rule. The second just suggests that an assisted tackle (a second defender that materially shortens the duration of a play) really isn't possible when the quarterback slides (usually) to avoid a single defender.

So they do award solos on QB slides then? Sorry, I guess I'd assumed that they'd only awarded assists on those before, and were now eliminating even that.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Is it just me or are these two rules at odds with each other from a theoretical standpoint? * Award solo tackle if the ballcarrier steps out of bounds to avoid imminent contact with defender. * Do not award assisted tackles on quarterback slides.

Why? I don't see any issue with the first rule. The second just suggests that an assisted tackle (a second defender that materially shortens the duration of a play) really isn't possible when the quarterback slides (usually) to avoid a single defender.

So they do award solos on QB slides then? Sorry, I guess I'd assumed that they'd only awarded assists on those before, and were now eliminating even that.

Yes, my understanding is that a single solo tackle is what is expected when a play ends with a QB slide.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Rudnicki's article is up. It's an extremely extensive look at how each stadium's stat crew has been affecting IDP value and the most recent trends as the league tries to more uniformly record its unofficial defensive statistics.

 

[JoeBoxers43]

awesome, thanx

 

[Rozelle]

With the NFL getting more hands on with the stat crews in terms of uniformity and consistency of the league's tackle and pass defensed statistics, I would think we should start to see signs of this evening out.

I always wondered what kind of turnover rate stat crews have?

Very interesting Aaron ... Thanks

 

[Anthony Borbely]

With the NFL getting more hands on with the stat crews in terms of uniformity and consistency of the league's tackle and pass defensed statistics, I would think we should start to see signs of this evening out.

I always wondered what kind of turnover rate stat crews have?

Very interesting Aaron ... Thanks

I will be interested to see how this year compares to the last two.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Rudnicki's article is up. It's an extremely extensive look at how each stadium's stat crew has been affecting IDP value and the most recent trends as the league tries to more uniformly record its unofficial defensive statistics.

 

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[Bob Magaw]