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Tajae Sharpe WR Titans (1 Viewer)
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brun
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Glad I was able to pick him up for <20% of my budget in one FPC league. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can get him into my starting line up this week. Right now I have Fuller ahead of him in a flex spot. Hope he does well for everyone who plugs him in.
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OU#1
Footballguy
Flexing him in over Lockett and Kevin White, both of which were drafted higher.
I keep hearing about the run heavy offense, and it's starting to sound like a misnomer. Sure they ran Demarco a bunch but Henry didn't get as much work as people hoped, so maybe not as run heavy as we had thought?
I think MM is a lot more than a game manger on a "run heavy" offense, but that's just my opinion. He can sling the rock and I don't think their defense is going to allow them to follow a run heavy script like they want.
Next few weeks should be interesting to see how things shape up for this offense.
I keep hearing about the run heavy offense, and it's starting to sound like a misnomer. Sure they ran Demarco a bunch but Henry didn't get as much work as people hoped, so maybe not as run heavy as we had thought?
I think MM is a lot more than a game manger on a "run heavy" offense, but that's just my opinion. He can sling the rock and I don't think their defense is going to allow them to follow a run heavy script like they want.
Next few weeks should be interesting to see how things shape up for this offense.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Yeah. I kinda figured I might be jumping the gun on benching Decker for the rookie, but thought this week was a good chance to try. Gonna be hard to bench Decker moving forward. To be clear, I wasn't saying I was "over" Decker. Meant I was playing Tajae over Decker.silentmark said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I would like to come back to the 130 targets question.
I think this is possible. 130 targets would be 8.125 targets/game. Sharpe just had 11 targets in game one.
If we use Stefon Diggs from last season as a comparison, which I think makes sense in a lot of ways, similar size and physical profile, both good route runners, both drafted in the 5th round, both became their teams primary WR as rookies, Diggs averaged 6.46 targets per game, which would be 103 targets over 16 games.
So 130 may be a bit high compared to Diggs last season, which includes some games where defenses perhaps figured Diggs out somewhat and were able to better game plan for him.
At the same time the Vikings only threw the ball 454 times last season. The Titans had 551 passing attempts last season and they threw the ball 41 times in week 1. Very close to a 2:1 run/pass ratio. 41 passing attempts/game would be 656 attempts over 16 games. Obviously this is too high, but I definitely could see the Titans with 550 passing attempts again, which is a lot more than the Vikings threw the ball in Diggs rookie season.
Sharpe had 27% of the targets in week 1. 27% of 550 is 147 targets. So a median projection of 130 seems very possible. Over 16 games Sharpe could have 110-130-150 targets as a range of possible outcomes.
110 targets would be in the case that defenses do figure him out and he has some dud games because of it, but Sharpe remains the most targeted player the Titans have. This wouldn't be quite as low as Diggs 103 target pace of last season, because the Titans will throw the ball more.
150 targets would be the upside in a situation where Sharpe does what he did week 1 all year.
Stefon Diggs was Mr Mankato, he did well all through training camp and the preseason. He was inactive the first 3 games of the season, unlike Sharpe. So in that sense Sharpe is ahead of where Diggs was last season. The other similarity is that this is a rookie WR working with a promising 2nd year QB. I love Teddy Bridgewater, but I think Mariota is/was a better QB prospect than Bridgewater. The main difference between the two situations are to Sharpes advantage and the total passing attempts should be at least 100 higher than Diggs was working with last season.
I think this is possible. 130 targets would be 8.125 targets/game. Sharpe just had 11 targets in game one.
If we use Stefon Diggs from last season as a comparison, which I think makes sense in a lot of ways, similar size and physical profile, both good route runners, both drafted in the 5th round, both became their teams primary WR as rookies, Diggs averaged 6.46 targets per game, which would be 103 targets over 16 games.
So 130 may be a bit high compared to Diggs last season, which includes some games where defenses perhaps figured Diggs out somewhat and were able to better game plan for him.
At the same time the Vikings only threw the ball 454 times last season. The Titans had 551 passing attempts last season and they threw the ball 41 times in week 1. Very close to a 2:1 run/pass ratio. 41 passing attempts/game would be 656 attempts over 16 games. Obviously this is too high, but I definitely could see the Titans with 550 passing attempts again, which is a lot more than the Vikings threw the ball in Diggs rookie season.
Sharpe had 27% of the targets in week 1. 27% of 550 is 147 targets. So a median projection of 130 seems very possible. Over 16 games Sharpe could have 110-130-150 targets as a range of possible outcomes.
110 targets would be in the case that defenses do figure him out and he has some dud games because of it, but Sharpe remains the most targeted player the Titans have. This wouldn't be quite as low as Diggs 103 target pace of last season, because the Titans will throw the ball more.
150 targets would be the upside in a situation where Sharpe does what he did week 1 all year.
Stefon Diggs was Mr Mankato, he did well all through training camp and the preseason. He was inactive the first 3 games of the season, unlike Sharpe. So in that sense Sharpe is ahead of where Diggs was last season. The other similarity is that this is a rookie WR working with a promising 2nd year QB. I love Teddy Bridgewater, but I think Mariota is/was a better QB prospect than Bridgewater. The main difference between the two situations are to Sharpes advantage and the total passing attempts should be at least 100 higher than Diggs was working with last season.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am unimpressed with their QB* but:
1) I am also worried about DT's hip
2) I am worried about DT's consistency catching the ball, he looked much better in week one but still had a pretty bad drop IIRC (anyone think it wasn't a bad drop?)
3) Denver's 29 rushing attempts was good for 10th most and their 26 pass attempts was 31st after one week. I think the ground game is what Kubiak wants to use as his bread and butter. So I worry about how many opportunities DT will get (six targets in week one). Tennessee threw the ball 41 times (7th most), sure they were trailing but I see nothing to suggest that won't be common for Tenn this season. Small samples but worth noting.
4) *Siemian looked quite poised and it looks like he made many good decisions but on multiple occasions his good decision was not backed up by the arm to act on that decision. I worry about his ability to hit DT long and I also worry about his ability to find and hit DT when they get into the red zone.
Chaka
Footballguy
Although as with most rookies I am concerned about him hitting a wall at some point.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah that is fair to consider. That did happen with Diggs last year which as msommer points out, so you have some of that baked into Diggs's numbers as the downside of 110 targets.
27% market share of targets is pretty high, that is a number that likely will go down over the course of the season.
What if Sharpe only gets 20% of 550 targets? That would still be 110 targets.
It is hard for me to envision a scenario where Sharpe would get less than 110 which would be 6.9 targets per game.
27% market share of targets is pretty high, that is a number that likely will go down over the course of the season.
What if Sharpe only gets 20% of 550 targets? That would still be 110 targets.
It is hard for me to envision a scenario where Sharpe would get less than 110 which would be 6.9 targets per game.
ryno1980
Footballguy
That would be a floor of 71 receptions if you project him at a league-average catch rate of 64 percent. I think he could be closer to 70 percent based on everything you hear about his hands, dedication to route running.
Gives him some upside of maybe getting into the upper 80s if he stays healthy and Mariota has a 4,000-yard season.
msommer
Footballguy
The only data point on catch ratio in real NFL action we have is from last week: 63% IIRC
msommer
Footballguy
And I guess my unstated question is why do you expect his catch rate to improve dramatically above that average rate over a whole season?
You need more data to go on than one game. That'd be true for anyone. The history isn't there for the Titans nor for Mariota. The Titans have not had a true #1 WR since Mason so it's been a lllllong time. Even Wright was secondary when he had 90-100 catches scooting 4 yards then across the field.
I'll say this. I don't think we saw the real Rishard Matthews last week. They signed this guy and really have been impressed with him. Mularkey struggled to implement his 3 TE O without Stevens. Douglas lined up as an h-back and blocked in-ward from the slot and...it didn't go well.
Douglas is a good ad-libber with Mariota and I think with all the roll-outs they were hoping for some "magic" from Mariota.
It seems like Mularkey realizes the O didn't go well and won't be doing that again.
Matthews has started since day one and no one has beat him out. Hunter pushed him in OTAs and that was it. That was soooo long ago. He should easily be a 4-5 catch guy each week and occasionally the WR with the most.
If you didn't watch the game, they (OC, Mariota, and Murray) panicked as the 2nd half started and went much of the second half without an actual drive. 2 fumbles, 2? INTS...it was brutal.You didn't really see a second half O from them but a Murphy's law one. Which is also why I'm hesitant to project Sharpe. It was totally out of sync, wacky, abnormal...whatever word in the second half.
The Lions are like what the Titans are supposed to be. They start Jones and Tate and veterans Roberts and Boldin sub in. Titans start Matthews and Sharpe and Andre and Harry sub in. The Lions signed two veterans (one a great one) to have sure handed backups, if not speedy athletic types. The Titans did about the same. It's for a play here or there, yeah Boldin and Andre can get it done.
My guess is the blocking.
See Hunter has spent his Titans career being hounded for blocking and really was pretty good at it. DGB was his beast like self at times and destroyed a CB or whiffed. There wasn't often a middle ground with him. The Titans had their awesome blocking TE retire suddenly and cut 4-5 huge WRs. Douglas made a good block, along with DGB, in preseason on a play people love to talk about. He's fairly normal otherwise and unimpressive.
As Mularkey begrudgingly shifts away from the 3 TE offense, I'd bet $ the slot WR is going to block more. Delanie will be there, Andre too. Both big athletes with impressive "guns."
All preseason was the talk of the FB and he was in on like 12 plays.
Mularkey botched up the extra blocker last week but the excellent blockers are there. I'd take Delanie or Fowler versus any S or CB in the league. And it's not just that, when they've gone with Henry and Murray in the backfield, Henry has shifted to the slot or stayed as the FB. Andre, Delanie, Fowler, Henry...Mularkey has a certain type of blocker-all these guys are big beastly dudes.
Wrap this together- I don't think we saw all of the "smashmouth" last week. A key cog was missing, that other blocker. If he's in this week, as I expect, then we're looking at Sharpe and Matthews for a large percent of plays. Matthews will get some as 1 of only 2 WRs going on routes.
I'll say this. I don't think we saw the real Rishard Matthews last week. They signed this guy and really have been impressed with him. Mularkey struggled to implement his 3 TE O without Stevens. Douglas lined up as an h-back and blocked in-ward from the slot and...it didn't go well.
Douglas is a good ad-libber with Mariota and I think with all the roll-outs they were hoping for some "magic" from Mariota.
It seems like Mularkey realizes the O didn't go well and won't be doing that again.
Matthews has started since day one and no one has beat him out. Hunter pushed him in OTAs and that was it. That was soooo long ago. He should easily be a 4-5 catch guy each week and occasionally the WR with the most.
If you didn't watch the game, they (OC, Mariota, and Murray) panicked as the 2nd half started and went much of the second half without an actual drive. 2 fumbles, 2? INTS...it was brutal.You didn't really see a second half O from them but a Murphy's law one. Which is also why I'm hesitant to project Sharpe. It was totally out of sync, wacky, abnormal...whatever word in the second half.
The Lions are like what the Titans are supposed to be. They start Jones and Tate and veterans Roberts and Boldin sub in. Titans start Matthews and Sharpe and Andre and Harry sub in. The Lions signed two veterans (one a great one) to have sure handed backups, if not speedy athletic types. The Titans did about the same. It's for a play here or there, yeah Boldin and Andre can get it done.
My guess is the blocking.
See Hunter has spent his Titans career being hounded for blocking and really was pretty good at it. DGB was his beast like self at times and destroyed a CB or whiffed. There wasn't often a middle ground with him. The Titans had their awesome blocking TE retire suddenly and cut 4-5 huge WRs. Douglas made a good block, along with DGB, in preseason on a play people love to talk about. He's fairly normal otherwise and unimpressive.
As Mularkey begrudgingly shifts away from the 3 TE offense, I'd bet $ the slot WR is going to block more. Delanie will be there, Andre too. Both big athletes with impressive "guns."
All preseason was the talk of the FB and he was in on like 12 plays.
Mularkey botched up the extra blocker last week but the excellent blockers are there. I'd take Delanie or Fowler versus any S or CB in the league. And it's not just that, when they've gone with Henry and Murray in the backfield, Henry has shifted to the slot or stayed as the FB. Andre, Delanie, Fowler, Henry...Mularkey has a certain type of blocker-all these guys are big beastly dudes.
Wrap this together- I don't think we saw all of the "smashmouth" last week. A key cog was missing, that other blocker. If he's in this week, as I expect, then we're looking at Sharpe and Matthews for a large percent of plays. Matthews will get some as 1 of only 2 WRs going on routes.
Chaka
Footballguy
Although to be fair if DT is cleared today that Indy defense, particularly the secondary, is a M*A*S*H unit. If ever there was an opportunity for Siemian to prove that he can attack an NFL defense it's today.
I still go with Sharpe but, man that Indy D looks highly exploitable.
Chaka
Footballguy
Going with Yeldon over Sharpe & Crowell. Tough call with Tenn expressing more confidence in Sharpe (according to Roto) and Hue Jackson saying he plans to feed Crow more but the bottom line is with Ivory out Yeldon should see another 20 or so touches against an exploitable defense.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Struggling with DT or Sharpe in 1 league & Sharpe or Ty Williams in another. (Both PPR)
OU#1
Footballguy
Not sure what to do with this guy. Can keep him for a few years since I drafted him so late, but chucking up a turd to the horrendous OAK defence is seriously disheartening.
What are you guys doing? Can't trust him to start him. Benches are short, bye weeks are coming. I have to imagine a lot of folks are cutting bait.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Yeah, I may drop him in my redraft this week. There are some decent waiver options and byes are starting to hit. He's the #1 WR for his team, but in this case that title isn't worth much it appears.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
2016-09-11 1 TEN MIN L 16-25 11 targets 7 receptions 76 yards 10.86 0 63.6% 6.91
2016-09-18 2 TEN @ DET W 16-15 7 targets 4 receptions 33 yards 8.25 0 57.1% 4.71
2016-09-25 3 TEN OAK L 10-17 7 targets 3 receptions 48 yards 16.00 0 42.9% 6.86
2016-10-02 4 TEN @ HOU L 20-27 7 targets 2 receptions 15 yards 7.50 0 28.6% 2.14
2016-10-09 5 TEN @ MIA W 30-17 4 targets 2 receptions 17 yards 8.50 0 50.0% 4.25
2016-10-16 6 TEN CLE W 28-26 3 targets 0 receptions 0 yards 0 0 0.0% 0.00
2016-10-23 7 TEN IND L 26-34 6 targets 4 receptions 59 yards 14.75 0 66.7% 9.83
2016-10-27 8 TEN JAX W 36-22 1 targets 1 receptions 11 yards 11.00 0 100.0% 11.00
2016-11-06 9 TEN @ SDG L 35-43 8 targets 4 receptions 58 yards 14.50 0 50.0% 7.25
2016-11-13 10 TEN GNB W 47-25 4 targets 3 receptions 68 yards 22.67 1 TD 75.0% 17.00
2016-11-20 11 TEN @ IND L 17-24 7 targets 4 receptions 68 yards 17.00 1 TD 57.1% 9.71
11 games 65 targets 34 receptions 453 yards 13.3 ypr 6.97 ypt 2 TD 52.3% catch rate
After a strong start to his rookie season Sharpe faded back a bit in the offense, his low being week 6 against Cleveland where he had no targets. He has been more involved since then also coinciding with Mariota throwing the ball more. In Sharpes two worst games this season Mariota only threw the ball 22 and 24 times.
The last 3 weeks Sharpe has had 11 receptions and he has scored two TD.
His catch rate for the year is low and something that needs to improve for him to become a more useful player on the still somewhat limited opportunity he is getting. I think this can improve as Sharpe gains experience and builds better rapport with Mariota.
He has averaged 5.9 targets per game over his first 11 games. Just one target behind Matthews and 3 behind Walker who missed a game.
I think he develops into a more consistent player in time and a good shot to be the Titan's #1 WR in 2017
This weeks match up against the Bears is promising for all Titans players.
2016-09-18 2 TEN @ DET W 16-15 7 targets 4 receptions 33 yards 8.25 0 57.1% 4.71
2016-09-25 3 TEN OAK L 10-17 7 targets 3 receptions 48 yards 16.00 0 42.9% 6.86
2016-10-02 4 TEN @ HOU L 20-27 7 targets 2 receptions 15 yards 7.50 0 28.6% 2.14
2016-10-09 5 TEN @ MIA W 30-17 4 targets 2 receptions 17 yards 8.50 0 50.0% 4.25
2016-10-16 6 TEN CLE W 28-26 3 targets 0 receptions 0 yards 0 0 0.0% 0.00
2016-10-23 7 TEN IND L 26-34 6 targets 4 receptions 59 yards 14.75 0 66.7% 9.83
2016-10-27 8 TEN JAX W 36-22 1 targets 1 receptions 11 yards 11.00 0 100.0% 11.00
2016-11-06 9 TEN @ SDG L 35-43 8 targets 4 receptions 58 yards 14.50 0 50.0% 7.25
2016-11-13 10 TEN GNB W 47-25 4 targets 3 receptions 68 yards 22.67 1 TD 75.0% 17.00
2016-11-20 11 TEN @ IND L 17-24 7 targets 4 receptions 68 yards 17.00 1 TD 57.1% 9.71
11 games 65 targets 34 receptions 453 yards 13.3 ypr 6.97 ypt 2 TD 52.3% catch rate
After a strong start to his rookie season Sharpe faded back a bit in the offense, his low being week 6 against Cleveland where he had no targets. He has been more involved since then also coinciding with Mariota throwing the ball more. In Sharpes two worst games this season Mariota only threw the ball 22 and 24 times.
The last 3 weeks Sharpe has had 11 receptions and he has scored two TD.
His catch rate for the year is low and something that needs to improve for him to become a more useful player on the still somewhat limited opportunity he is getting. I think this can improve as Sharpe gains experience and builds better rapport with Mariota.
He has averaged 5.9 targets per game over his first 11 games. Just one target behind Matthews and 3 behind Walker who missed a game.
I think he develops into a more consistent player in time and a good shot to be the Titan's #1 WR in 2017
This weeks match up against the Bears is promising for all Titans players.
The man suing Tajae Sharpe claims Sharpe beat him unconscious after the man "made comments about Sharpe getting less playing time" due to the Titans' selection of Corey Davis.
The lawsuit filed by alleged victim Dante Satterfield says "it was understood by all parties that Sharpe was upset by the Titans' selection of Davis." Along with teammate OG Sebastian Tretola, Sharpe allegedly followed Satterfield outside Tin Roof Bar in Nashville, where Satterfield was allegedly "punched in the face to the point of unconsciousness." A passerby saw Satterfield unresponsive on the ground and called 911.
The lawsuit filed by alleged victim Dante Satterfield says "it was understood by all parties that Sharpe was upset by the Titans' selection of Davis." Along with teammate OG Sebastian Tretola, Sharpe allegedly followed Satterfield outside Tin Roof Bar in Nashville, where Satterfield was allegedly "punched in the face to the point of unconsciousness." A passerby saw Satterfield unresponsive on the ground and called 911.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Liked him as a long term fantasy prospect until I met him once... then I knew he was a hot head and would be his own worst enemy
I've been told the loudmouth challenged Sharpe to take it outside. Tretola wasn't lookout but telling him it's not worth it and trying to get him to not fight. Sharpe threw two punches. The first did little and the guy talked more smack, the second knocked him out and broke his jaw.
In time, this will become- is "let's take this outside" a threat and reasonable for Sharpe to hit him. Apparently, there's a ton of precedent because it's a common expression angry/violent drunks say.
I expect the Titans to suspend him not release him. A fight with two punches is not career ending but "don't let it happen again" type IMO
Nero
Footballguy
socrates
Footballguy
As a Sharpe owner, I am going to reserve judgment here. More details will likely surface. IF what we have heard so far is true, I am not sure how I feel. If a man calls you out and challenges you, it isn't usually in a competitive athlete's DNA to walk away and risk looking like a wuss. Heck, I am far from a hothead, but I might have followed the guy outside myself, depending on what had been said. Two punches doesn't sound like a brutal beat down.
I'm not understanding this reply
http://deadspin.com/lawsuit-titans-player-beat-fan-unconscious-after-argui-1795113537
the lawsuit is written of here with the full document on the bottom of the page
Hankmoody
Footballguy
He can't use "imminent threat" when he went outside with the guy voluntarily. Any shot he had at reasonable force ended once he chose to go with him. If he felt threatened by the comment and reacted immediately then perhaps, but no chance once he escalated it himself by going out there.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
2 punches thrown by you = not much
2 punches by a pro athlete = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2 punches by a pro athlete = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I was told Tennesse (and many states) often sends these type "step outside" cases to ADR. I didn't know what ADR was and was told it's mediation where basically a mediator gets the one side to pay medical bills. That's it. No charges. His lawyer would fight n fight this and want it to be heard in a court of law while Sharpe would want this. This is what I expect to happen soon. The date in the document was 21 days and another 60 days, so that's why I say soon.
I don't know this legal stuff so someone please feel free to explain and/or correct me here. If this is accurate, then the judge determining if it's worth the court's time or should go to mediation will be significant
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Maybe he went outside so that he could reason with the guy, couldn't speak in the venue they were currently in because it was too loud?
Just harnessing my inner lawyer
Any civil lawsuit that will undoubtedly come of this, Sharpe's attorney could argue that the victim consented to being hit by asking him if they could "take it outside"
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
Well, nice knowing you tajae. With decker signed, I won't be shocked if he gets cut. Wants to fight a guy for pointing out the obvious, that he will have competition for targets. Hurt foot, can't run, drafted 2 guys early and a big FA signing. At best 5th on the chart. Perhaps he catches on somewhere, but seems like he has had about as bad an offseason you ever could.
the lone star
Footballguy
My bad, didn't see this. I think he can crack WR3 for them. Not much value there though.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Davis, Taylor, Matthews, and Walker will have more receptions (barring injury). Jonnu and Dion might too.
Decent role player for the team, worthless in FF. Weird player to bring up right now.
the lone star
Footballguy
Yeah, Davis, Matthews, and Walker will all have more receptions. I'm hopeful that Tajae can beat out Taylor though.
Decent role player for sure. I liked what I saw from him his rookie year, just wasn't the right role for him at the time though. Let's see what happens with him this year. If he played a little faster, he'd be pretty solid.
the lone star
Footballguy
Gave up two 6th round picks for Tajae and Kavon Frazier in 2016. Seems like I could have gotten the duo for less, but the other guy hasn't done anything with those 6ths either. Kind of a wash trade. Oh well.
