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Take this franchise away from Jacksonville. (1 Viewer)
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footballjunkie
Footballguy
What are you talking about? I don't see an empty seat in the stadium and they just said it was a sell out.
footballjunkie
Footballguy
And it's pretty damned loud to boot. I think the OP must have seen parts of the pre-game interviews that they taped over the last couple of hours.Place looks packed to me
-OZ-
Footballguy
They can tarp over seats and call it a sell-out to allow local TV to air the game.I can't see this one, as DirectTV is knocked out
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I noticed that entire deck empty as well. Maybe some Jacksonville homers have the inside scoop.
Capella
Footballguy
They tarp off the seats for Jaguars games because they've had problems selling out the stadium and don't want to get the games blacked out on TV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville_Municipal_Stadium
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Thanks. I hadn't realized they had to stay on all year. Kind of sucks if they make the playoffs.
Knightro
Footballguy
I think those empty seats are new ones they added? I don't recall seeing those when I had season tickets. They draped off the far right and left sections of each upper deck and then a certain section about 2/3rds the way up the north endzone.
Besides, most people just like going to the Bud Zone area anyhow
Besides, most people just like going to the Bud Zone area anyhow
-Crippler-
Footballguy
Pathetic. I'd kill to get Redskins tickets and Jacksonville doesnt even sell out on the biggest game of the year.
Washington leads in total home attendance by over 40,000. 2nd in PCT at 110.9, only trailing Green Bay who is at 116.4
mr. furley
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
3rd largest city on the east coast, most populated city in Florida. Its not a small city.
It's not actually. Jax changed laws to make it that. They stretched the city area out way way past what a normal boundary would be.
NYBostonPhillyBaltimoreMiamiWhere does J'ville fit in?
footballjunkie
Footballguy
Wow. I'll do something I haven't done in 17 years of being married -- admit that I was wrong. 
My apologies to the original poster.
That being said, it's not like the residents of bumf*ck Jacksonville have the average income of a NYC, LA or DC. It drives me nuts that these NFL teams that used to charge $18-25 for upper deck or end zone seats, cry and ##### when they can't get John Public to pay $75 for the same seat now -- plus a costly PSL to boot.
Growing up in the 80's in a blue collar family, my old man was able to take me to the Bucs game just about every week. We could walk up to the gate and buy tickets for $12-$18 at the Big Sombrero -- and did so just about every week from '82-'96. Those days are gone. It's now a white-collar, social event at every game. Granted, I now live a white-collar life and can afford to go when I choose, but people like my parents (think of the Nascar crowd), have long been priced out of the NFL.
My apologies to the original poster.
That being said, it's not like the residents of bumf*ck Jacksonville have the average income of a NYC, LA or DC. It drives me nuts that these NFL teams that used to charge $18-25 for upper deck or end zone seats, cry and ##### when they can't get John Public to pay $75 for the same seat now -- plus a costly PSL to boot.
Growing up in the 80's in a blue collar family, my old man was able to take me to the Bucs game just about every week. We could walk up to the gate and buy tickets for $12-$18 at the Big Sombrero -- and did so just about every week from '82-'96. Those days are gone. It's now a white-collar, social event at every game. Granted, I now live a white-collar life and can afford to go when I choose, but people like my parents (think of the Nascar crowd), have long been priced out of the NFL.
It doesn't. It's the 4th largest metropolitan area in population in FL. 40th in the US.
footballjunkie
Footballguy
In terms of area, I'm pretty sure that Jacksonville is the largest city in the contiguous US. That being said, it's a smelly, podunk city where the main industry is thumping on Bibles.k... That was probably a little harsh, but my point is, it's no Atlanta, NY or Philly.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
I'm 59,817 on the waiting list to get Packer season tickets. Maybe I should switch teams.
(Also, my unborn son is 59,818, one behind me)
(Also, my unborn son is 59,818, one behind me)
robstevenson78
Footballguy
ahhh i remember when expansion came, and they passed over Baltimore to give a franchise to Jacksonville (and carolina)
I think tagliabue said baltimore could instead have a museum in their city.
looks like jax is the city is the team that could use the museum
I think tagliabue said baltimore could instead have a museum in their city.
looks like jax is the city is the team that could use the museum
Fantaholic
Footballguy
I spent some time in north Florida and college football seems to rule. Professional football just didn't seem nealry as important.
Slinger
Footballguy
Why don't you get a better job?
culdeus
Footballguy
They don't give season tickets to the highest bidder.
Wreckincrew
Footballguy
Not everyone here is from Wisconsin, you didn't really need to do the math for us.
gump
Footballguy
J-ville is not a great NFL market. But it's a midsize town really. Not near the size of Tampa or Miami. And the team is relatively new. They love their college football though. UF/UGA will be a zoo, as was UA/FSU a few weeks ago.
It's essentially a smaller version of Atlanta. Southern to the core...but people from small towns in GA, AL, and FL who dont' want to live in a "big city" move there.
It's essentially a smaller version of Atlanta. Southern to the core...but people from small towns in GA, AL, and FL who dont' want to live in a "big city" move there.
The Dangler
Footballguy
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Jacksonville's stadium is too large for it's market. The stadium is very big. Their fans would fill up your standard size NFL stadium easily.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Pass the paint thinner!
MCguidance
Footballguy
considering i have been on the jets season waiting list since 6th grade, i agree...should get next year or two though
Borat
Footballguy
A lot of standard size NFL stadiums that I know of have waiting lists for season tickets that could fill the place by itself.The Shark Move is to get season tickets now, then take advantage of the opportunity to renew them once the franchise moves, then sell them at a profit.
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Per the Wikipedia entry:
Capacity
76,877
67,164 (Jacksonville Jaguars games)
84,000 (College football/Super Bowl games
The 76,877 would rank 5th in the NFL per a separate Wikipedia entry (though it says the capacity is 73,800 for the Jaguars which would put it 8th).
With the tarps, that ranking drops to 19th.
-QG
Capacity
76,877
67,164 (Jacksonville Jaguars games)
84,000 (College football/Super Bowl games
The 76,877 would rank 5th in the NFL per a separate Wikipedia entry (though it says the capacity is 73,800 for the Jaguars which would put it 8th).
With the tarps, that ranking drops to 19th.
-QG
Jimmy James
Footballguy
You must be kidding. From my experience, NASCAR (Cup series) races are priced at or above the price of a football ticket. Depending on the track, you're also likely to be forced into a weekend package that will require you buy a ticket to an additional event you probably don't care about to push the price up to around double what a NFL event will cost you. You're not getting into a Cup series race for $12-18.
spitkickers
Footballguy
Indy/NYG fan here (but Florida resident) and most of us NFL fans don't want to make the 2 plus many hour drive to J-ville for the game because the city is not a good city. You go for the game and that's it (which I've done), but sometimes you want to make a weekend or at least a day or so out of it if you make the drive. Jacksonhole does not offer that possibility - there may be an area or two that are "ok", but nothing you can't get elsewhere in Florida better for cheaper, and certainly no good party area worth speaking of, no good downtown area, etc. That city needs a total revitalization and is at the very least a decade away from being hospitable and visitable as a weekend getaway. I can't believe they got a franchise. Orlando wouldn't fare better, but at least give that town a shot. They've managed to hang on to an NBA franchise so far.
Outside of Miami, most Floridians will drive to Tampa for Bucs games. North of Gainesville people will drive to Atlanta. East of that you have a Carolina base. Jacksonville is a questionable city for a franchise. Disney would sell more tickets during the season in Orlando to football games than Jacksonville can to their local fans - granted, not much of a local base, but there's your worry about tarping seats and tv blackouts solved. Maybe even NFL worries about Jerseys sold - sell them at Disney.
I am available for other marketing strategies in the Orlando area, investors.
Outside of Miami, most Floridians will drive to Tampa for Bucs games. North of Gainesville people will drive to Atlanta. East of that you have a Carolina base. Jacksonville is a questionable city for a franchise. Disney would sell more tickets during the season in Orlando to football games than Jacksonville can to their local fans - granted, not much of a local base, but there's your worry about tarping seats and tv blackouts solved. Maybe even NFL worries about Jerseys sold - sell them at Disney.
I am available for other marketing strategies in the Orlando area, investors.
footballjunkie
Footballguy
Dude, I didn't say "think of the people who go to Nascar events crowd." By stating the "Nascar crowd," I'm simply implying the lower-class to lower-middle-class of Americans who religiously watch Nascar crap. It's one of the largest spectator sports in America now, and I only know of maybe one out of every 30 of my professional associates who know anything about it, let alone watch it. Growing up in the blue-collar environment, everyone (and I mean everyone) knew their Nascar #####, so to speak.
Capella
Footballguy
Orlando is a few hours from Miami and 90 minutes from Tampa. Not a sustainable NFL market with those two franchises that close...and the Bucs/Dolphins would fight it anyways.
KoolKat
Footballguy
Seriously man, there are plenty of other suitable cities. It isn't like this franchise hasn't had enough success to sell out their biggest game of the year. Weak.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Colts fan here who has gone to 2 Colts road games the last 2 years. Not only do they have to tarp off the upper sections, but they don't allow the fans to enter the seats until like 1 hour before the kickoff. This sucks for the fan experience.
Add to it, the stadium is away from what entertainment the city does have to offer.
The only thing we really like is the view from the Hyatt, now that is nice.
Last year, I swear 15 minutes before kickoff, and the stadium what less than 50% full.
After the first drive, I was asked several times to sit down. They sit down everywhere there. Just not a fun NFL fan experience.
Add to it, the stadium is away from what entertainment the city does have to offer.
The only thing we really like is the view from the Hyatt, now that is nice.
Last year, I swear 15 minutes before kickoff, and the stadium what less than 50% full.
After the first drive, I was asked several times to sit down. They sit down everywhere there. Just not a fun NFL fan experience.
spitkickers
Footballguy
Jacksonville is 1 more hour away. I'd suggest Tahahassee just to keep it in Florida but that's ridiculous. Outside of Orlando there is no other sustainable market in Florida. It would take megabucks (aka Disneybucks) to make it work in Orlando, but it could...maybe. My point it is, I agree with the OP that maybe Jacksonville might not be be best market for this team. And my agreeing with that means more Dolphins games for me on TV, so I even suffer for my agreement.
I think it would make much more sense to move this team to LA than Buffalo, where I see speculated in some thread somewhere. There are actually die hard Bills fans, and there is an established Bills history. Don't take that away from an area. Taking the Jags away from J-ville will leave a black hole in what is already a void.
I think it would make much more sense to move this team to LA than Buffalo, where I see speculated in some thread somewhere. There are actually die hard Bills fans, and there is an established Bills history. Don't take that away from an area. Taking the Jags away from J-ville will leave a black hole in what is already a void.
weasel3515
Footballguy
If it's a small city then it has no right having an NFL franchise. Move it to L.A. Having to tarp off seats (when they can sell out Floriduh Gaturd games) is an embarrassment.
San Antonio comes to mind.Seriously man, there are plenty of other suitable cities. It isn't like this franchise hasn't had enough success to sell out their biggest game of the year. Weak.
You don't think they'd need tarps in LA? Doesn't USC still have tarps when they play at home?
weasel3515
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure with the large population in L.A. they could support ONE team, just not two. But San Antonio is a better idea.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
You mean as opposed to the lower-middle-class of Americans who religiously watch the NFL? I'm a professional who happens to know about both, but the number of my fellow professionals who follow either is quite small. One judge in my jurisdiction follows NASCAR. One attorney follows the Redskins. Nobody else cares. It may be slightly more accepted to choose a football team and casually express an interest in them, but the hard core fans tend not to be the white collar guys.
