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** Tarantino's Hateful Eight - Official thread ** (2 Viewers)
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Wingnut
Footballguy
QT will never equal or surpass Pulp, and that's okay. I'll always go to see his movies because I'm a fan of his. Not every movie will be awesome, but I always enjoy watching them and there's always elements in them that make me appreciate him as a film maker.
It's funny, he gives us a movie like Pulp, so everything else he does will be always compared to that. It's just how it works. We're lucky we got that one, but I don't think anyone should expect him to have another masterpiece in him. That said, I really like or love pretty much all of his movies, and if we've seen his best and worst, I'll take anything in between from here on out, because even the movies I have at or near the bottom of my QT rankings are all at least pretty good and worth multiple viewings.
It's funny, he gives us a movie like Pulp, so everything else he does will be always compared to that. It's just how it works. We're lucky we got that one, but I don't think anyone should expect him to have another masterpiece in him. That said, I really like or love pretty much all of his movies, and if we've seen his best and worst, I'll take anything in between from here on out, because even the movies I have at or near the bottom of my QT rankings are all at least pretty good and worth multiple viewings.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Record Samuel Jackson for your voice mail greeting (from Colbert Monday)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5VrhcwH6Tg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5VrhcwH6Tg
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
I don't think I said that Hateful 8 is better than other movies nominated for awards in the last couple years. If that's what came across, I didn't mean that. What I meant to say is that it's better than many of the lousy movies released this year but it's average at best and QT's worst film by a significant margin.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Worse then a girl with a machine gun for a leg? Grindhouse was Sharknado bad.
nightmare
Footballguy
Sicario, Spotlight, and The Big Short are in a class by themselves for best movie.
2nd tier. The Martian, Amy, Maybe the action movies, Spectre, MI rogue nation,
and The Avengers. Whiplash(almost forgot). Almost 2nd tier Mad Max(Awesome
chase movie but still just a chase movie), Bridge of Spies, Black Mass, and I'll
throw in Man From U.N.C.L.E. I didn't see the Walk so I don't know where to put it.
If you thought this was a bad year for movies you haven't seen these or are expecting
WAY too much.
I'm sure there are some I'm missing but this is just a quick review.
2nd tier. The Martian, Amy, Maybe the action movies, Spectre, MI rogue nation,
and The Avengers. Whiplash(almost forgot). Almost 2nd tier Mad Max(Awesome
chase movie but still just a chase movie), Bridge of Spies, Black Mass, and I'll
throw in Man From U.N.C.L.E. I didn't see the Walk so I don't know where to put it.
If you thought this was a bad year for movies you haven't seen these or are expecting
WAY too much.
I'm sure there are some I'm missing but this is just a quick review.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Cole Smithey who I really enjoy his reviews, not so pop trendy as everyone else and goes out of his way to promote independent films.
I was surprised but the Hateful Eight was his #1 movie of the year. His review is simple and it echos how I felt. It simply was the most fun he had at the movies all year. I do think it speaks to a pretty weak year of films. I will put a link to his top 10.
https://vimeo.com/148276997
He ranks Carol #2, I was going to bring it up but frankly I don't think most in here will like it or care for the subject much.
I was surprised but the Hateful Eight was his #1 movie of the year. His review is simple and it echos how I felt. It simply was the most fun he had at the movies all year. I do think it speaks to a pretty weak year of films. I will put a link to his top 10.
https://vimeo.com/148276997
He ranks Carol #2, I was going to bring it up but frankly I don't think most in here will like it or care for the subject much.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
I can't answer that. That's the only one of his films that I have not seen. From what I've read, it's his worst.
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Haven't seen Big Short yet, but 100% agree on the other two. Don't even wanna pick between them, they were both fantastic.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
I'm with you on this.Say what you want about Kurt Russell driving around in his death machine, but it was a lot more entertaining than Django which just seemed to endlessly drag on.
Spotlight only got a few weeks in my local theaters before being put out to pasture. Missed it unless I want to drive an hour. Annoying.
Star Wars really crushed Spotlight and Brooklyn.
cstu
Footballguy
I was a little disappointed in Spotlight - great subject, not so great movie. Definitely worth watching but a little anti-climatic for me since I'd already seen the documentaries "Deliver Us From Evil" and "Mea Maxima Culpa". :X :
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nightmare
Footballguy
nightmare
Footballguy
I can see YOU being disappointed knowing the material but I (and maybe others) really didn't
dwell on how big this problem was or how the church(with sleaze lawyers) circumnavigated
the courts with settlements. The movie starts with these reporters looking at 3 priests and
goes from there.
I don't mind hijacking this thread. If anyone else does let me know.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Reddit Official Discussion: The Hateful Eight (Roadshow 70mm cut) [spoilerS]
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3y8vsn/official_discussion_the_hateful_eight_roadshow/
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3y8vsn/official_discussion_the_hateful_eight_roadshow/
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Saw it yesterday, thought it was great, maybe even masterful and one of his most mature works. Part Western, part Mystery and Agatha Christie whodunit as noted, part Horror (some cues used from deleted scenes of The Thing, which also starred Kurt Russell), big part Revenge. I didn't find the violence excessive for a Tarantino film (though it definitely isn't a good feelin family film). Come to think of it, I'm not even sure what that would entail - a Tarantino remake mashup of Caligula, Salo and Anti-Christ? Racial epithet frequency about what you would expect given a black bounty hunter is put together with several virulent racists. I just saw it at the local theater, but it wasn't a very big screen, so I'd like to see the 70mm print at the Hollywood Arclight next week, as it looks like they have extended the Roadshow engagement beyond the initially planned two weeks after Christmas. I liked the (no doubt intended) contrast of the panoramic, wide open vistas of the mountain country with the claustrophobic extended cabin sequence.
Revenge has been a recurring theme in his last three films. Some of his favorite cited films are in the revenge genre - Lady Snowblood (complete two film restoration just out on Criterion) was a big influence on KB (especially KB1), They Call Her One Eye and Master of the Flying Guillotine. Tarantino has many influences (notoriously well versed on film history, particularly exploitation, so called grindhouse - to a fault in DP, beating the audience over the head with references, show us, don't tell us), but I was reminded in this film John Boorman seems to be a primary one.
I thought one of the best parts of the movie was the score by the Maestro, Ennio Morricone. It is one of my favorites by him, and that is saying a lot (500+ scores to his credit, conservatively, maybe in excess of 700). Not sure if it is eligible for an Oscar (all original music a criteria, he may have lost one once when it was discovered a score had some "recycled" music), but if so, hope he wins. I am also looking forward to the score for the Revenant by Ryuichi Sakamoto. Tarantino has used Morricone in his last 4-5 films, and may have had an original SONG scored for a recent one, but he composed 50 minutes of new music (he changed his mind after after stating DU would be their last collaboration). It is Tarantino's first original score for one of his films, Morricone's first for a Hollywood production since Ripley's Game in 2002 and first Western in about three and a half decades. His Spaghetti Western scores, especially his collaborations with Leone, such as Eastwood's Man With No Name trilogy, are iconic, and among the greatest and most innovative the genre has ever produced (The Magnificent Seven by Elmer Bernstein also one of the greats). There is also some other music in the sound track (aside from the score proper), but it isn't wall-to-wall music. One of the things I liked most about No Country For Old Men is how much was without music, naturalistic, emphasizing and bringing from the background to the foreground ambient environmental sounds, making it for me more immersive. The blizzard and howling wind are practically separate characters in H8.
QT has talked about doing just two more films (that would put his output close to Kubrick).
Roeper review - four stars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4q-VHCetEQ
Morricone Overture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdlMXLPfGh4
L'Ultima Diligenza di Red Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhsXy-f2Q0U
OST sampler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kECT1rLwYxE
* I put PF and RD in a separate class
four films in a second tier - KB, H8, IB, JB (I liked more than many)
didn't like as much, thus third tier - DU
DP (not a fan, falls off a cliff from third tier and DU)
Revenge has been a recurring theme in his last three films. Some of his favorite cited films are in the revenge genre - Lady Snowblood (complete two film restoration just out on Criterion) was a big influence on KB (especially KB1), They Call Her One Eye and Master of the Flying Guillotine. Tarantino has many influences (notoriously well versed on film history, particularly exploitation, so called grindhouse - to a fault in DP, beating the audience over the head with references, show us, don't tell us), but I was reminded in this film John Boorman seems to be a primary one.
I thought one of the best parts of the movie was the score by the Maestro, Ennio Morricone. It is one of my favorites by him, and that is saying a lot (500+ scores to his credit, conservatively, maybe in excess of 700). Not sure if it is eligible for an Oscar (all original music a criteria, he may have lost one once when it was discovered a score had some "recycled" music), but if so, hope he wins. I am also looking forward to the score for the Revenant by Ryuichi Sakamoto. Tarantino has used Morricone in his last 4-5 films, and may have had an original SONG scored for a recent one, but he composed 50 minutes of new music (he changed his mind after after stating DU would be their last collaboration). It is Tarantino's first original score for one of his films, Morricone's first for a Hollywood production since Ripley's Game in 2002 and first Western in about three and a half decades. His Spaghetti Western scores, especially his collaborations with Leone, such as Eastwood's Man With No Name trilogy, are iconic, and among the greatest and most innovative the genre has ever produced (The Magnificent Seven by Elmer Bernstein also one of the greats). There is also some other music in the sound track (aside from the score proper), but it isn't wall-to-wall music. One of the things I liked most about No Country For Old Men is how much was without music, naturalistic, emphasizing and bringing from the background to the foreground ambient environmental sounds, making it for me more immersive. The blizzard and howling wind are practically separate characters in H8.
QT has talked about doing just two more films (that would put his output close to Kubrick).
Roeper review - four stars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4q-VHCetEQ
Morricone Overture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdlMXLPfGh4
L'Ultima Diligenza di Red Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhsXy-f2Q0U
OST sampler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kECT1rLwYxE
* I put PF and RD in a separate class
four films in a second tier - KB, H8, IB, JB (I liked more than many)
didn't like as much, thus third tier - DU
DP (not a fan, falls off a cliff from third tier and DU)
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Distributor of Pain
I think you're the first person in this thread whose ranking/tiers of QT movies I 100% agree with, without exception.Bob Magaw said:
Fennis
Footballguy
Carol was my #9 for the year. It was a great film, with incredible performances. I feel the exact opposite as you, it was a very strong year for movies.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I find this interesting. Could you unpack a little what you mean when you say it's "one of his most mature works"? I think the opposite, but maybe we are thinking about it differently. I usually talk about a movie like Jackie Brown that way, because I think that his him at his most focused. I tend to think of this last 3 movies as not being able to control his craft and shoving whatever comes to mind into his movies.Bob Magaw said:
It makes sense his movies would seem like that because when you listen to him talk, that is the way his mind seems to work. He is smart as hell, knows his ####, talks 100mph about 3 different things at once. So maybe these last few are the most Tarantino" and he has just lost people (like his long time editor) who reigned him in more or told him no to things, and I just don't happen to like that style which is fine.
I think this year has been confusing for me. There is stuff up for awards every year that didn't strike a chord with me personally, but I can usually step back and see why people liked them so much or that they were well shot and acted. I have been able to identify a core group of critics/podcasters/FFA posters that I trust and agree with most of the time. Again even if I don't personally like the movie, I get their reasons for liking it. That said, there are two movies from this year that are getting a lot of praise and will be up for awards that I don't get at all, and thought they were subpar to average at best movies: Hateful Eight and Mad Max. I am trying to understand the love.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Pulp Fiction
Django
Reservoir Dogs
Hateful 8
Everything else is unwatchable.
Django
Reservoir Dogs
Hateful 8
Everything else is unwatchable.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Since I view them as being similar in tone/characters, I am curious what you didn't like about IB that you like in DU and the new one.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Just personal preference. I have a massive addiction to anything WW2 related and it just didn't do it for me. Hard to explain. Maybe expectations as I thought I was going to love it.
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Fennis
Footballguy
I don't know....
maybe the 1000 n-bombs
the only woman in the movies gets beat more than she talks
just typical QT stuff
Fennis
Footballguy
Oh I forgot, QT also said something that pissed off cops. He said something like cops who kill people should be called murderers, if they murdered someone.
Fennis
Footballguy
Fennis
Footballguy
someone a few posts up was asking about why the movie was controversial.
Worm
slimy ninja
Was kind of dissapointed.
First half was very slow and the dialogue/expositions didn't do much for me. Second half picked up but there was something missing. Im generally good with limited location movies but I think this one suffered for it.
I don't know, may enjoy more on a second watch someday.
First half was very slow and the dialogue/expositions didn't do much for me. Second half picked up but there was something missing. Im generally good with limited location movies but I think this one suffered for it.
I don't know, may enjoy more on a second watch someday.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think it would have been better if the "mystery" was better as to what was going on. I just kept hearing that it was set up like some Agatha Christie murder mystery or something, so maybe I was expecting more on that front.
cstu
Footballguy
That scene was like the moment when Salma turns into a vampire in From Dusk Til Dawn, except worse because H8 was supposed to be based in reality. IMO it was Tarantino's worst moment as a director.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's not doing that well in terms of ticket sales. Unless the Oscars look his way I don't see this film doing but about half Django and to me that makes sense. Leo and Jaime Foxx had star power and pull, combined they brought in a lot of folks. Kurt Russel is not going to bring in a lot of people on his name alone. SLJ very hit n miss. This was not a star driven film although the acting was far better.
On pace for less than $10M this weekend and only $37M in the bank as of this morning...I don't see a big box office here. $60M might be it initially unless they become an Oscar nominee, then I think more folks would go see it.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
A Post-Modern, Deconstructionist Take: A Semiotic Analysis Of Puke
Just kidding. I'll have to get back about what I meant about "mature". Aesthetic taste and sensibility is highly personal and subjective.
I'm not an expert on the bio-physiology of projectile blood vomit. As to whether H8 is (or supposed to be) real. Well, that is relative. It isn't a Western and Sci Fi mashup like the Daniel Craig movie. It is still a fantasy (as opposed to The Revenant, based on a true story). KB was a revenge fantasy. IB was a Jewish revenge fantasy. DU an African American revenge fantasy. Elements of the Samuel Jackson character echoed that. KB had a sword walking Pai Mei, mystical death blows, Uma Thurman taking out the Crazy 88s. PF had a gimp in the basement. So, it was as real as that.
Given that for me it was a fantasy, a few seconds out of a three hour movie didn't wreck the experience. Now, if Tarantino had written a screenplay based on a true story (why, though?), like the Bobby Fischer or Robert Oppenheimer Story, and Fischer had a firehose of vomit on Boris Spassky during the World Chess Championship, or Oppenheimer had projectile blood at the Los Alamos Atom Bomb test, or during the HUAC security clearance revocation hearings, THAT would take me out of THOSE movies. H8, not so much.
Just kidding. I'll have to get back about what I meant about "mature". Aesthetic taste and sensibility is highly personal and subjective.
I'm not an expert on the bio-physiology of projectile blood vomit. As to whether H8 is (or supposed to be) real. Well, that is relative. It isn't a Western and Sci Fi mashup like the Daniel Craig movie. It is still a fantasy (as opposed to The Revenant, based on a true story). KB was a revenge fantasy. IB was a Jewish revenge fantasy. DU an African American revenge fantasy. Elements of the Samuel Jackson character echoed that. KB had a sword walking Pai Mei, mystical death blows, Uma Thurman taking out the Crazy 88s. PF had a gimp in the basement. So, it was as real as that.
Given that for me it was a fantasy, a few seconds out of a three hour movie didn't wreck the experience. Now, if Tarantino had written a screenplay based on a true story (why, though?), like the Bobby Fischer or Robert Oppenheimer Story, and Fischer had a firehose of vomit on Boris Spassky during the World Chess Championship, or Oppenheimer had projectile blood at the Los Alamos Atom Bomb test, or during the HUAC security clearance revocation hearings, THAT would take me out of THOSE movies. H8, not so much.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Wins the Golden Globe for best original score and I was shocked to hear QT say the 87 year old composer Morricone would be winning his 1st award. Tarantino loved walking up there and accepting the award on behalf.
It was a nice moment.
It was a nice moment.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Disagree 100%. Thought Leo and Waltz elevated Django a lot. Far better than anything I saw in this movie.
Fennis
Footballguy
Seemed like QT was taking credit to me. "See what I did...."
Maybe it was just me.
The General
Footballguy
I missed this part of the GG. I find QT interesting to listen to but a little obnoxious and somewhat creepy in the interviews I have heard.
He absolutely does respect people in his industry though and I love how he works with the people he wants to, find that pretty cool about him.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think he comes off that way a lot - "see what cool thing I did in my movie", "I like this cool old ####, so should you", etc.. I picked up on that tonight a bit as well. I fully realize that I have found him annoying as a human for some time now and that is bleeding into my viewings of his movies. Love the passion, but usually cringe any time I see him walking up to talk.