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** Tarantino's Hateful Eight - Official thread ** (1 Viewer)
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Gotta love film snobs...actually, no you don't. You should loathe them with every fiber of your being.wtf this is just stupid
tipsy mcstagger
Footballguy
Studied theater and film..I really appreciated the 70mm experience, but honestly don't believe it was any better than 99.5% of us will evere notice. Seemed more an exercise for his ego.
Movie was great though.
Movie was great though.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I probably will wait for this to show up on HBO.
That said, I don't get the QT haters out there. The guy obviously pours his heart into his work. If its not your cup of tea, that's understandable, but I can't see disrespecting him. Other than Jackie Brown (which he mailed in imo), the guy has films that are truly crafted. I appreciate that.
That said, I don't get the QT haters out there. The guy obviously pours his heart into his work. If its not your cup of tea, that's understandable, but I can't see disrespecting him. Other than Jackie Brown (which he mailed in imo), the guy has films that are truly crafted. I appreciate that.
The General
Footballguy
So what's the problem with this Roadshow thing? I don't get why it's stupid.Gotta love film snobs...actually, no you don't. You should loathe them with every fiber of your being.
Did you miss the bold? And my question just prior that he was responding to was directly towards the manner in which the film was shot (Ultra 70mm) with no DBery at all.
I saw the Reverant last night, that would have been a film that would have benefited from being shot in Ultra 70mm, if there is such a thing. All the scenes were in the wide open wilderness instead of inside. I'm not convinced that it's anything more than a nostalgic preference from movie
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Others called you on it but I will repeat, you continue to argue when you haven't seen the movie. The movie is being shown right now in a 100 theater exclusive engagement until Dec 31st/Jan 1st, now you can continue to be an expert after watching it on your 13.3 inch Macbook but I find your criticisms unfounded and I want to encourage people who can see this as the director intended.Did you miss the bold? And my question just prior that he was responding to was directly towards the manner in which the film was shot (Ultra 70mm) with no DBery at all.
I saw the Reverant last night, that would have been a film that would have benefited from being shot in Ultra 70mm, if there is such a thing. All the scenes were in the wide open wilderness instead of inside. I'm not convinced that it's anything more than a nostalgic preference from moviesnobsaficionados, but, that's ok as long as the aficionados don't get up on their high horse and tell everyone else their opinions about the movie are "skewed, a lot". It might be neat, but, it certainly doesn't make that much difference.
You're trying to personalize it and I am simply reporting the facts. You didn't see it in a movie theater which is the only place it is legally being shown right now. I have to review the film based on how the director intended and obviously whether that succeeded and I believe he did. You seem to have a little resentment towards QT that has now been directed towards me but hey more power to you.
I'll debate the film, plot, etc but I'm not going to debate based on you trying to make yourself feel better that you didn't pay the $10 to see the film. Don't get feisty, just be honest about what you saw. You did not see the film in a movie theater. Movies are meant to be seen in movie theaters IMHO, it's never the same at home.
nightmare
Footballguy
Most of the movie occurs INDOORS. QT goes through some insane things
to make the movie his way, that's fine but why put the moviegoer thru this
nonsense on a movie that did not need 70MM film. The attention to detail
is nice but it is lost with an over the top movie made by QT.
As far as the debate on movies at home, to me it's go big or stay home.
I'm not even going to pay the $8 matinee price to watch a Mission
Impossible or Star Trek movie on a 20 foot screen in a room the size of a
big garage with little to no sound effects(volume) when the movie needs it.
If you like Tarintino go see this, if not, don't bother.
to make the movie his way, that's fine but why put the moviegoer thru this
nonsense on a movie that did not need 70MM film. The attention to detail
is nice but it is lost with an over the top movie made by QT.
As far as the debate on movies at home, to me it's go big or stay home.
I'm not even going to pay the $8 matinee price to watch a Mission
Impossible or Star Trek movie on a 20 foot screen in a room the size of a
big garage with little to no sound effects(volume) when the movie needs it.
If you like Tarintino go see this, if not, don't bother.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
I saw that movie on the big screen. Not some POS multiplex bed sheet. Phenomenal. Just how the detector intended.Yeesh, I'm really kind of busy, Rat.
I've seen the exact same movie you did:
What was the purpose of sending out the screener dvds that got leaked again?
Seems like a lot of the people with votes aren't going to "see the movie as the director intended".
You're a buffoon, not just for using the guise of "as the director intended" to take a pot shot at the evil internet movie down loaders, but for not even being able to read simple posts at face value.
I really enjoyed the movie. I'd put it in the top 3. I like most of Tarantino's stuff.
The slow moving beginning lead to bigger and bigger payoffs towards the end, worked out really really well. The who done it kept you guessing and engaged. Plenty of gore. Definitely recommend it for any fan of Tarantino or the genre. The Ultra 70mm previously discussed ad nauseam was a bit of a reach, especially since it's mostly shot indoors but, if you're in deep into movie making maybe it makes it a little more interesting for you. Absolutely not a requirement though.
There are better movies to see this season if you only have time to see one. Wait for the dvd (or not).
The slow moving beginning lead to bigger and bigger payoffs towards the end, worked out really really well. The who done it kept you guessing and engaged. Plenty of gore. Definitely recommend it for any fan of Tarantino or the genre. The Ultra 70mm previously discussed ad nauseam was a bit of a reach, especially since it's mostly shot indoors but, if you're in deep into movie making maybe it makes it a little more interesting for you. Absolutely not a requirement though.
There are better movies to see this season if you only have time to see one. Wait for the dvd (or not).
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Are the Hateful Eight's projector problems actually that bad?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Hateful-Eight-Projector-Problems-Actually-Bad-102707.html
The new magnum opus of Quentin Tarantino, The Hateful Eight, currently is undergoing its "roadshow" phase. The film is being projected on 70mm film, real honest to god film, in 100 theaters across the country. Because the majority of theaters have converted to digital projection over the years, much of the equipment necessary to show the movie had to be rebuilt and refurbished. There have been several complaints on social media of projectors breaking down in the middle of the film, but exactly how widespread are these issues? According to The Weinstein Company, they’re being overblown
.
70mm Ultra Panavision projection hasn’t been used for any movie since the 1960’s. These projectors have been collecting dust in various places ever since. Quentin Tarantino had to have them all taken out of mothballs so that there would be theaters capable of showing The Hateful Eight in the format that he filmed in. While Twitter is full of complaints of broken projectors, Erik Lomis, the president of distribution for the film production company, says the problems are not as widespread as they may appear.
It's more likely for people to complain about a bad experience than to praise a good one and that appears to be what's going on here. People who are having no problems aren't making a big deal about it, while those who had bad experiences are letting everybody know. Technical difficulties can never be completely avoided. Even with completely digital projection, sometimes things break. At the same time, switching over to the digital print really shouldn’t be viewed as an acceptable solution when the point of the roadshow is the 70mm version. The movie is great, and should be seen, but this special version is about seeing it on film. Tarantino wanted this to be an experience, but we don’t think this was what he had in mind.
According to The Hollywood Reporter, the experience of showing the film can be highly variable from one theater to the next. There are several theaters across the country that have had 70mm projectors for years, and still use them regularly. In those cases, the film tends to go very well. However, in most of the rest of the nation, movie theater projectionists have never actually run film, and the training that they’ve received in order to handle this has been fairly minor. It seems to be these situations are where there are problems.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Hateful-Eight-Projector-Problems-Actually-Bad-102707.html
The new magnum opus of Quentin Tarantino, The Hateful Eight, currently is undergoing its "roadshow" phase. The film is being projected on 70mm film, real honest to god film, in 100 theaters across the country. Because the majority of theaters have converted to digital projection over the years, much of the equipment necessary to show the movie had to be rebuilt and refurbished. There have been several complaints on social media of projectors breaking down in the middle of the film, but exactly how widespread are these issues? According to The Weinstein Company, they’re being overblown
.
70mm Ultra Panavision projection hasn’t been used for any movie since the 1960’s. These projectors have been collecting dust in various places ever since. Quentin Tarantino had to have them all taken out of mothballs so that there would be theaters capable of showing The Hateful Eight in the format that he filmed in. While Twitter is full of complaints of broken projectors, Erik Lomis, the president of distribution for the film production company, says the problems are not as widespread as they may appear.
It's more likely for people to complain about a bad experience than to praise a good one and that appears to be what's going on here. People who are having no problems aren't making a big deal about it, while those who had bad experiences are letting everybody know. Technical difficulties can never be completely avoided. Even with completely digital projection, sometimes things break. At the same time, switching over to the digital print really shouldn’t be viewed as an acceptable solution when the point of the roadshow is the 70mm version. The movie is great, and should be seen, but this special version is about seeing it on film. Tarantino wanted this to be an experience, but we don’t think this was what he had in mind.
According to The Hollywood Reporter, the experience of showing the film can be highly variable from one theater to the next. There are several theaters across the country that have had 70mm projectors for years, and still use them regularly. In those cases, the film tends to go very well. However, in most of the rest of the nation, movie theater projectionists have never actually run film, and the training that they’ve received in order to handle this has been fairly minor. It seems to be these situations are where there are problems.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Let's get back on track here, enough fuss. So wife really loved the movie, decided while making my first real beef stew tonight to have a little fun. I am turning the dining room into a make shift movie set. I went and bought(little Italian bakery) a real loaf of bread made fresh today and round in shape and crusty to dunk into the stew. Found the camping cups/bowls to serve them in, took a deck of cards and some playing chips and spread them about, I have a coffee pot that is somewhat like the one in the movie so I put that on the table, put the movie programs around, candles strategically placed instead of electricity. Gonna wear the leather trench coat and boots, cowboy hat, when she comes in I'm gonna tie her wrist to mine, feed her #### her and put her to sleep.
cstu
Footballguy
This pissed me off too:
Quentin Tarantino Blasts Disney On Howard Stern Show As ‘Force Awakens’ Pushes ‘The Hateful Eight’ Out Of Cinerama Dome
Quentin Tarantino Blasts Disney On Howard Stern Show As ‘Force Awakens’ Pushes ‘The Hateful Eight’ Out Of Cinerama Dome
The Cinerama Dome was literally designed for movies like this but instead they are showing a movie about people with magic powers.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
As a person who got to see some great films at the Cinerama Dome I understand QT's anger but I also think he needs to be slightly realistic and understand that the Arclight is not going to 86 Star Wars over his movie.
I got to see Peter Jackson's King Kong and it was breath taking on that screen, I snicker when it comes on TV, just not even close.
The Hateful Eight has the Cinerama logo as the overture ended, wish I had snapped a picture of that.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Hateful Eight Gets Early Digital Expansion: 1900+ Screens Starting Tonight
http://deadline.com/2015/12/hateful-eight-digital-expansion-starts-early-1201673933/
On the heels of its successful 70mm roadshow presentation that kicked off Christmas Day,The Weinstein Company has opted to expand Quentin Tarantinos The Hateful Eightinto digital wide release earlier than planned in order to meet heavy demand. The film will show in 1,958 screens beginning December 30, with preshows beginning tonight. Further digital expansion is planned to start December 31.
While we are beyond thrilled with the limited release numbers, the demand from moviegoers to see this film has exceeded our capabilities in 70mm, said TWC President of Distribution Erik Lomis in a statement. Were greatly looking forward to bringing it to more theaters and cities and give Tarantino fans across the country the chance to experience this brilliant, intensely fun piece of filmmaking.
The Hateful Eights 70mm roadshow release, screened in 100 theaters in 44 cities, earned $5.6 million over Christmas weekend, with a per-theater average of $46,107. That achievement is made more impressive because the film played exclusively in theaters retrofitted with 70mm projectors by TWC, largely on only one screen per theater. No surprise then that the roadshow will continue as planned even as the film expands to digital.
http://deadline.com/2015/12/hateful-eight-digital-expansion-starts-early-1201673933/
On the heels of its successful 70mm roadshow presentation that kicked off Christmas Day,The Weinstein Company has opted to expand Quentin Tarantinos The Hateful Eightinto digital wide release earlier than planned in order to meet heavy demand. The film will show in 1,958 screens beginning December 30, with preshows beginning tonight. Further digital expansion is planned to start December 31.
While we are beyond thrilled with the limited release numbers, the demand from moviegoers to see this film has exceeded our capabilities in 70mm, said TWC President of Distribution Erik Lomis in a statement. Were greatly looking forward to bringing it to more theaters and cities and give Tarantino fans across the country the chance to experience this brilliant, intensely fun piece of filmmaking.
The Hateful Eights 70mm roadshow release, screened in 100 theaters in 44 cities, earned $5.6 million over Christmas weekend, with a per-theater average of $46,107. That achievement is made more impressive because the film played exclusively in theaters retrofitted with 70mm projectors by TWC, largely on only one screen per theater. No surprise then that the roadshow will continue as planned even as the film expands to digital.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I understand that. But as someone who got burned by paying for Kill Bill and Inglorious Basterds, and now has kids, there is less than 1% chance I would've gone to see it in the theatre. It was pretty far down on my list. And mildly surprising!
When I first watched it I thought it might've been somewhat of a critique of colonialism, specifically neo-colonialism, vis-a-vis Kurt Russell's character. But now I think it's really just a movie that's so engrossed in small (oftentimes funny) details, that it's actually a movie about small details.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Also, how many of you even knew what 70mm was until like two weeks ago. C'mon.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Far and Away with Cruise, driected by Ron Howard, believe that might have been 70 MM at some shows. Ultra 70 is a little different but you can go back 20-30 years and find a lot of films especially when shown in say Los Angeles have limited engagements with that format.
Neo
The Dude minds
Absolutely loved the movie, some excellent acting all around....just some observations and one thing I'm having a hard time with:
So, Tim Roth's character.......English George I believe was his real name, but he takes on the persona of "Oswaldo Mobray"......the hangman of Red Rocks right? Where did he get the business cards that he was Oswaldo Mobray? He also provided the order to be hung for the guy locked up in Red Rocks that killed the former Sheriff. Chris Mannix (aka new Sheriff of Red Rocks) asked Mobray to see it and Mobray gave it to him to review. Where the heck did he get this stuff? There was no one they killed earlier that was the real Mobray, so I'm having a real hard time with it.
Also, someone said earlier that it would have been good to show the 15 other gang members riding up to the house at the end to prove Mannix wrong and he should have taken the deal with Domergue......IMO, Mannix knew he was dead already, there was zero chance he was surviving a couple of days with the gunshot wound to the leg so he was just humoring her at that point. I loved that about the final scenes.
I don't get the cut scene to show what happened earlier and never mentioning a plan to poison John Ruth. Just seemed weird that they didn't bring it up at all....made it sound like they were just going to blow his head off at some point. Stupid comment, I know, just something I thought of.
Lastly, LOVED Senior Bob's character....the squinty eyes, the throaty Mexican accent, the curt answers. Just loved that character. Great movie all around in my opinion.
Also, someone said earlier that it would have been good to show the 15 other gang members riding up to the house at the end to prove Mannix wrong and he should have taken the deal with Domergue......IMO, Mannix knew he was dead already, there was zero chance he was surviving a couple of days with the gunshot wound to the leg so he was just humoring her at that point. I loved that about the final scenes.
I don't get the cut scene to show what happened earlier and never mentioning a plan to poison John Ruth. Just seemed weird that they didn't bring it up at all....made it sound like they were just going to blow his head off at some point. Stupid comment, I know, just something I thought of.
Lastly, LOVED Senior Bob's character....the squinty eyes, the throaty Mexican accent, the curt answers. Just loved that character. Great movie all around in my opinion.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
I wondered about the hanging order too, and when Mannix asked him about it and he produced it, I thought for a minute that they were in cahoots...the only logical answer is the gang went to Red Rock beforehand and killed the hangman, in case Ruth somehow made it there with Daisy (no hangman means no hanging, which could have bought some time for her to try a last ditch effort to escape). Its kind of strange that they wouldnt mention in the movie that they had gone to Red Rock beforehand, but I guess QT felt he didnt need to.
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cstu
Footballguy
Wingnut said:
I wondered about the hanging order too, and when Mannix asked him about it and he produced it, I thought for a minute that they were in cahoots...the only logical answer is the gang went to Red Rock beforehand and killed the hangman, in case Ruth somehow made it there with Daisy (no hangman means no hanging, which could have bought some time for her to try a last ditch effort to escape). Its kind of strange that they wouldnt mention in the movie that they had gone to Red Rock beforehand, but I guess QT felt he didnt need to.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If Jimmy Kimmel had that wide shot he wouldn't have had to double deck all 8 of them on his show.Quez said:
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Neo
The Dude minds
Wingnut said:
I wondered about the hanging order too, and when Mannix asked him about it and he produced it, I thought for a minute that they were in cahoots...the only logical answer is the gang went to Red Rock beforehand and killed the hangman, in case Ruth somehow made it there with Daisy (no hangman means no hanging, which could have bought some time for her to try a last ditch effort to escape). Its kind of strange that they wouldnt mention in the movie that they had gone to Red Rock beforehand, but I guess QT felt he didnt need to.
The problem with this theory is the stagecoach they traveled on came from the opposite direction of Red Rocks, same as Ruth and the Major were traveling. So they were never in Red Rocks.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wingnut said:I wondered about the hanging order too, and when Mannix asked him about it and he produced it, I thought for a minute that they were in cahoots...the only logical answer is the gang went to Red Rock beforehand and killed the hangman, in case Ruth somehow made it there with Daisy (no hangman means no hanging, which could have bought some time for her to try a last ditch effort to escape). Its kind of strange that they wouldnt mention in the movie that they had gone to Red Rock beforehand, but I guess QT felt he didnt need to.
The problem with this theory is the stagecoach they traveled on came from the opposite direction of Red Rocks, same as Ruth and the Major were traveling. So they were never in Red Rocks.
True, I didnt notice that, but just went back and checked. I did notice this though - when Jackson had all of em up against the wall, he said to Roth that maybe the real Oswaldo is laying dead in a ditch somewhere and hes just passing off his papers. I think we have to assume that he did kill the real Oswaldo...now, Roth said earlier in the film (when hes talking to Daisy about frontier justice) that as a hangman, his job is to hang her in Red Rock, then move on to the next town to hang someone else there...so it stands to reason that a hangman travels to wherever hes needed (maybe state-wide), as I doubt each town has its own hangman, just sitting around waiting for someone to hang...so its possible that the gang ran into the real Oswaldo in a previous town before arriving to Minnies Haberdashery, and he was going to Red Rock to hang the fellow in jail for killing the sheriff, but ran into the gang first. The surprised/shocked look on Daiseys face when Roth says hes the hangman leads me to believe they ran into him en route to Minnie's.
Thats the theory Im going with.
Thats the theory Im going with.
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TripItUp
Footballguy
Overall a great film.
The Gratuitous gore was unnecessary and I thought detracted from the authenticity in a few scenes but I realize this is a QT style thing.
I rank it 2nd all time...
Pulp Fiction
Hateful 8
Kill Bill 1 and 2
Inglorious Basterds
Reservoir Dogs
Jackie Brown
Django
Deathproof
The Gratuitous gore was unnecessary and I thought detracted from the authenticity in a few scenes but I realize this is a QT style thing.
I rank it 2nd all time...
Pulp Fiction
Hateful 8
Kill Bill 1 and 2
Inglorious Basterds
Reservoir Dogs
Jackie Brown
Django
Deathproof
Googins and SLJ really had chemistry. Would love to see them do another project together.
Found the use of the "N" word a bit distracting. I understand the word was common but the word itself became a joke and overused at that.
Thought the narration would have been better if done by nearly anyone else.
It was solid and I was entertained but I'd never watch this again. It was slow and basically 2.5 hours in one room. A lot of explaining and not enough showing. I would have preferred flashbacks of things SLJ did instead of listening to a story about it.
6/10
Found the use of the "N" word a bit distracting. I understand the word was common but the word itself became a joke and overused at that.
Thought the narration would have been better if done by nearly anyone else.
It was solid and I was entertained but I'd never watch this again. It was slow and basically 2.5 hours in one room. A lot of explaining and not enough showing. I would have preferred flashbacks of things SLJ did instead of listening to a story about it.
6/10
cstu
Footballguy
I wondered about the hanging order too, and when Mannix asked him about it and he produced it, I thought for a minute that they were in cahoots...the only logical answer is the gang went to Red Rock beforehand and killed the hangman, in case Ruth somehow made it there with Daisy (no hangman means no hanging, which could have bought some time for her to try a last ditch effort to escape). Its kind of strange that they wouldnt mention in the movie that they had gone to Red Rock beforehand, but I guess QT felt he didnt need to.
The problem with this theory is the stagecoach they traveled on came from the opposite direction of Red Rocks, same as Ruth and the Major were traveling. So they were never in Red Rocks.
True, I didnt notice that, but just went back and checked. I did notice this though - when Jackson had all of em up against the wall, he said to Roth that maybe the real Oswaldo is laying dead in a ditch somewhere and hes just passing off his papers. I think we have to assume that he did kill the real Oswaldo...now, Roth said earlier in the film (when hes talking to Daisy about frontier justice) that as a hangman, his job is to hang her in Red Rock, then move on to the next town to hang someone else there...so it stands to reason that a hangman travels to wherever hes needed (maybe state-wide), as I doubt each town has its own hangman, just sitting around waiting for someone to hang...so its possible that the gang ran into the real Oswaldo in a previous town before arriving to Minnies Haberdashery, and he was going to Red Rock to hang the fellow in jail for killing the sheriff, but ran into the gang first. The surprised/shocked look on Daiseys face when Roth says hes the hangman leads me to believe they ran into him en route to Minnie's.
Thats the theory Im going with.
Thats the theory Im going with.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Same here. No language in any movie has ever been a distraction or offensive to me.
Wingnut
Footballguy
You say that now...but you've never been that cold.
Jaysus
Good times!
I assumed he made that story up just like the Buchanan telegram he kept in his bootYou say that now...but you've never been that cold.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Heck of a snow plow they had back then to get those stagecoaches through those mountain passes.....
Anyway..Loved the movie. Saw it in the 70 mm Panavision. Thought the roadshow was pretty cool.
I'd rank it:
PF
H8
RD
IB
KB 1 & 2
JB
DU
DP
Anyway..Loved the movie. Saw it in the 70 mm Panavision. Thought the roadshow was pretty cool.
I'd rank it:
PF
H8
RD
IB
KB 1 & 2
JB
DU
DP
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One
Not Allowed In Mexico
Saw it yesterday in 70mm. I love QT movies, but this one was so-so for me. 70mm was useless IMO, Intermission and programs were kinda cool.
I'm sure I'll give it another watch, then end up liking it more second time around like I usually do with his films, but PF and Django are still my favorites by far.
I'm sure I'll give it another watch, then end up liking it more second time around like I usually do with his films, but PF and Django are still my favorites by far.
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Corporation
Angry Bovine
Saw the roadshow today, it was a neat gimmick. Our start was delayed 15 minutes while they worked on the projector, but once it started there weren't any issues. I'd rank it as my 3rd favorite QT movie behind Pulp and Inglorious.
Not really a spoiler but just in case about the black marks on the poster:
The black marks correspond with the order that the characters are introduced.
Fennis
Footballguy
Saw it last eight in 70mm, I liked it, didn't love it. No reason to see it in 70mm, I would recommend the digital version. That being said, the movie was beautifully shot, but it will be beautiful in digital. It was typical QT funny and I enjoy it... probably a 7.5 out of 10.
My real problems are with QT.
1) The movie was too long, they should lop off 30 minutes, probably more, and it would greatly improve the film. QT in his self indulgence thinks every word he writes is sacred. He is wrong, but since he is allowed to on what he wants we get films that are just too long. He needs to edit himself.
2)We get it, you can write movie with tons of violence and liberal use of the n-word. When will he push himself and try a different genre other than a typical QT movie?
My real problems are with QT.
1) The movie was too long, they should lop off 30 minutes, probably more, and it would greatly improve the film. QT in his self indulgence thinks every word he writes is sacred. He is wrong, but since he is allowed to on what he wants we get films that are just too long. He needs to edit himself.
2)We get it, you can write movie with tons of violence and liberal use of the n-word. When will he push himself and try a different genre other than a typical QT movie?