** Tarantino's Hateful Eight - Official thread ** (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Wins the Golden Globe for best original score and I was shocked to hear QT say the 87 year old composer Morricone would be winning his 1st award. Tarantino loved walking up there and accepting the award on behalf.

It was a nice moment.

Seemed like QT was taking credit to me. "See what I did...."

Maybe it was just me.

I would agree with this. I thought QT was being a little full of himself but that is part of QT if you follow him. The guy cannot act and continues to cast himself in a lot of his own films, thank goodness he didn't in H8. Django almost comes to a complete stop when he shows up in that one.

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

It'll be interesting to see how the police calls for a boycott affect the ticket sales.

His last western, also released around Christmas, made $162M and change domestically

It's not doing that well in terms of ticket sales. Unless the Oscars look his way I don't see this film doing but about half Django and to me that makes sense. Leo and Jaime Foxx had star power and pull, combined they brought in a lot of folks. Kurt Russel is not going to bring in a lot of people on his name alone. SLJ very hit n miss. This was not a star driven film although the acting was far better.

On pace for less than $10M this weekend and only $37M in the bank as of this morning...I don't see a big box office here. $60M might be it initially unless they become an Oscar nominee, then I think more folks would go see it.

Disagree 100%. Thought Leo and Waltz elevated Django a lot. Far better than anything I saw in this movie.

I agree with you 100%. No one in the Hateful 8 is nearly as good as Waltz or DiCaprio in DU. The only one who comes close is Bruce Dern and his role is minimal. The others come off as ham-fisted over-actors, which given their previous work, I have to blame on the writer/director.

As a huge QT fan, I hate to say this, but it's just not very good. Hope the next one is much better.

 

[SIDA!]

Do any of you wonder if the leak and rewrite threw off his mojo?

I kinda get the feeling that he was super excited about the film and felt gut punched when it leaked. He couldn't make the movie he wanted and was kind of held hostage by his love for what it should have been and knew he couldn't achieve that.

Just a thought.

Put me in the same camp w ctsu and others. I hated the puke scene. Felt madsen added nothing.

On the whole I enjoyed it but felt a little off and lacking.

 

[Worm]

IB, KB, DU

PF

RD

JB H8

DP

Yes, I know I'll get crucified for my PF and RD rankings.

Updated

 

[KarmaPolice]

Do any of you wonder if the leak and rewrite threw off his mojo?

I kinda get the feeling that he was super excited about the film and felt gut punched when it leaked. He couldn't make the movie he wanted and was kind of held hostage by his love for what it should have been and knew he couldn't achieve that.

Just a thought.

Put me in the same camp w ctsu and others. I hated the puke scene. Felt madsen added nothing.

On the whole I enjoyed it but felt a little off and lacking.

I vaguely remember something about a script leak. Was it just because people saw it and he felt he had to rewrite just to keep it mildly fresh for theaters or were people bagging on the script? Just wondering why he couldn't make the movie he wanted because of it.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Less people might see it? Possibly it could even impact financing?

 

[SIDA!]

Do any of you wonder if the leak and rewrite threw off his mojo?

I kinda get the feeling that he was super excited about the film and felt gut punched when it leaked. He couldn't make the movie he wanted and was kind of held hostage by his love for what it should have been and knew he couldn't achieve that.

Just a thought.

Put me in the same camp w ctsu and others. I hated the puke scene. Felt madsen added nothing.

On the whole I enjoyed it but felt a little off and lacking.

I vaguely remember something about a script leak. Was it just because people saw it and he felt he had to rewrite just to keep it mildly fresh for theaters or were people bagging on the script? Just wondering why he couldn't make the movie he wanted because of it.

my understanding is that the leak revealed the reservoir dogs type ending / whodunitTherefore he felt compelled to rewrite it and give it a different ending.

 

[Wingnut]

Cool time lapse of The Hateful Eights 70mm projection process.

http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2016/1/15/10776386/hateful-eight-70-mm-film-time-lapse-video

 

[cstu]

Thought when Star Wars' exclusive run at the Cinerama Dome was over they would show H8...nope, in the Dome they still have one showing of Star Wars, one of Mad Max, and two of the Revenant. Nothing against Mad Max or Revenant, but are they that pissed at Tarantino that they refuse to have even ONE showing of H8?

 

[cstu]

my understanding is that the leak revealed the reservoir dogs type ending / whodunit

Therefore he felt compelled to rewrite it and give it a different ending.

The original ending was just bad.

 

[Wingnut]

my understanding is that the leak revealed the reservoir dogs type ending / whodunit

Therefore he felt compelled to rewrite it and give it a different ending.

The original ending was just bad.

What was the original ending? Spoiler tag it.

 

[Wingnut]

Thought when Star Wars' exclusive run at the Cinerama Dome was over they would show H8...nope, in the Dome they still have one showing of Star Wars, one of Mad Max, and two of the Revenant. Nothing against Mad Max or Revenant, but are they that pissed at Tarantino that they refuse to have even ONE showing of H8?

Mad Max? Its runnning on HBO right now. The theater must have brought it back because of the Oscar nominations

 

[cstu]

my understanding is that the leak revealed the reservoir dogs type ending / whodunit

Therefore he felt compelled to rewrite it and give it a different ending.

The original ending was just bad.

What was the original ending? Spoiler tag it.

Spoiler

They all end up dead but it is less dramatic IMO.

- Warren and Mannix shoot Oswaldo and Bob when they pull their guns.

- Joe Gage shoots both Warren and Mannix in the back, but they both turn around and kill Gage

- Jody shoots Warren from under the floor

- Mannix kills Jody while he's still under the floor (Mannix gets hits shoot many times by Jody)

- Daisy gets a gun and finishes Warren off

- Mannix kills Daisy and gets on the bed and dies.

 

[navenraven]

saw it. was kinda bored the first half, but the second half made up for it.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Finally got to see this movie. I had been hoping to see the 70mm cut, but alas that didn't happen.

I think The Hateful 8 gets nestled comfortably with Inglourious Basterds and Django Unchained. Pulp Fiction, True Romance, Reservoir Dogs, and Jackie Brown are still my favorite Tarantino movies, but that's not a knock on The 8. The 8 delivers all you'd expect from a Tarantino movie: good script, funny moments, and very sudden violence. I'm not going to write a long essay about the movie. You all know I'm a Tarantino fanboy, so I've written ad nauseam on the topic. If you like Tarantino, you'll probably like The 8. If you hate Tarantino, there's nothing here that will dissuade you.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Also, there is a long conversation among a bunch of gals that is not that interesting and I think a lot of QT's audience is male so it did not connect as well it should have for his main audience.

This is my favorite comment of the thread.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Kurt Russell and Jeff Bridges have always looked kind of similar, but Russell looked like a stunt double in True Grit in this one. I have always liked Russell, though, and thought he gave a good performance.

 

[Daywalker]

I really don't see basterds, django or hateful 8 as genre pics. They are completely self-aware. Kill Bill works because that genre is silly in itself.

Genre pics are Intolerable Cruelty, so underrated, and True Grit.

 

[Capella]

Also, there is a long conversation among a bunch of gals that is not that interesting and I think a lot of QT's audience is male so it did not connect as well it should have for his main audience.

This is my favorite comment of the thread.

How about when he said no other movie than the ones QT does quenches his thirst for the N word.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Also, there is a long conversation among a bunch of gals that is not that interesting and I think a lot of QT's audience is male so it did not connect as well it should have for his main audience.

This is my favorite comment of the thread.

Why?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Also, there is a long conversation among a bunch of gals that is not that interesting and I think a lot of QT's audience is male so it did not connect as well it should have for his main audience.

This is my favorite comment of the thread.

Why?

There's so much in there I don't even know where to start.

Why do you think QT doesn't have a lot of female fans?

Why does a male audience not connect with a bunch of women talking?

QT has a lot of white fans, too. That's like saying QT alienates his main audience when he has white people projected as racists and black people killing them in movie after movie.

 

[cstu]

There's so much in there I don't even know where to start.

Why do you think QT doesn't have a lot of female fans?

Why does a male audience not connect with a bunch of women talking?

QT has a lot of white fans, too. That's like saying QT alienates his main audience when he has white people projected as racists and black people killing them in movie after movie.

Women that like Tarantino like him as much as men, but more men than women like him.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Also, there is a long conversation among a bunch of gals that is not that interesting and I think a lot of QT's audience is male so it did not connect as well it should have for his main audience.

This is my favorite comment of the thread.

Why?

There's so much in there I don't even know where to start.

Why do you think QT doesn't have a lot of female fans?

Why does a male audience not connect with a bunch of women talking?

QT has a lot of white fans, too. That's like saying QT alienates his main audience when he has white people projected as racists and black people killing them in movie after movie.

My wife is one of the few QT fans I know. H8 didn't make what Kill Bill made and about 1/3 of Django.The reason the last one did well IMO is it had Leo and that brings chicks, it just does. This movie is not geared for women at all and it did what most male slanted films do, it made about $50M, it's not ez to hit $100M when you are not making the film to appeal to both audiences and I'm glad he doesn't.

Chase, you were a young'n when you came here and no disrespect but I want to answer towards a larger group here beyond just you. Your post is filled with a lot of misinformation. You are laughing at me because you think I'm some sexist? I find it troubling how quick the younger generations play the victim card. You can describe an event, movie, situation...and just because you are not screaming "Go Women" doesn't mean you are a female hater.

Why do men not connect with a bunch of women sitting in a circle and chatting? How many men do you think watch The View besides you?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Also, there is a long conversation among a bunch of gals that is not that interesting and I think a lot of QT's audience is male so it did not connect as well it should have for his main audience.

This is my favorite comment of the thread.

Why?

There's so much in there I don't even know where to start.

Why do you think QT doesn't have a lot of female fans?

Why does a male audience not connect with a bunch of women talking?

QT has a lot of white fans, too. That's like saying QT alienates his main audience when he has white people projected as racists and black people killing them in movie after movie.

My wife is one of the few QT fans I know. H8 didn't make what Kill Bill made and about 1/3 of Django.The reason the last one did well IMO is it had Leo and that brings chicks, it just does. This movie is not geared for women at all and it did what most male slanted films do, it made about $50M, it's not ez to hit $100M when you are not making the film to appeal to both audiences and I'm glad he doesn't.

Chase, you were a young'n when you came here and no disrespect but I want to answer towards a larger group here beyond just you. Your post is filled with a lot of misinformation. You are laughing at me because you think I'm some sexist? I find it troubling how quick the younger generations play the victim card. You can describe an event, movie, situation...and just because you are not screaming "Go Women" doesn't mean you are a female hater.

Why do men not connect with a bunch of women sitting in a circle and chatting? How many men do you think watch The View besides you?

You've gone from "a long conversation among a bunch of gals" to "a bunch of women sitting in a circle and chatting" and now to The View? Okayyy then.

Your original comment wasn't about H8, and neither was my response; we were talking about Death Proof, so I don't know why we're talking about how much money H8 made.

Anyway, QT is not exactly mainstream, so I wouldn't expect his movies to make a ton of $$. But I don't see it breaking along gender lines. QT is probably more famous for putting women in badass roles than any other director I can think of - http://www.ifc.com/2015/03/the-20-most-badass-women-from-tarantino-movies

To the extent anyone enjoys watching anyone sit in a circle and chat, I don't think men are okay watching men talk but not okay watching women talk. I personally don't love the idea of watching any group of people sit in a circle and chat, but if I did, I don't think I'd be happy if it was a group of guys and feel alienated if it was a group of women. I don't understand what you're saying at all, which is why I had so many questions for you.

I'm not calling you a sexist, I just thought your statement was ridiculous because tons of women like Tarantino, the guy is known for putting women in powerful roles, and even ignoring that, the idea that men only like watching men talk is absurd. I just don't understand what you are saying.

 

[Chase Stuart]

There's so much in there I don't even know where to start.

Why do you think QT doesn't have a lot of female fans?

Why does a male audience not connect with a bunch of women talking?

QT has a lot of white fans, too. That's like saying QT alienates his main audience when he has white people projected as racists and black people killing them in movie after movie.

Women that like Tarantino like him as much as men, but more men than women like him.

Compared to what? If you were to put together a list of the 10 most famous directors, and ask 100 women to rank them 1-10, and 100 men to rank them 1-10, I don't have any reason to assume that QT would rank higher on the male list, and if I had to guess, I'd say he'd rank higher on the female list (maybe a Scorcese or Michael Bay would rank higher on a male list, but I don't really know).

 

[Chase Stuart]

So what are the odds that those 15 people from the Domergue gang actually exist?

 

[Keith R]

I was underwhelmed. There were parts I liked but as a whole, it fell well below expectations. (And I did see it Road Show style, which was a fun novelty but not enough to redeem it).

Tarantino is the only director I can think of whose films I have all seen at a theater. And I'll see the next one on a screen too...

My personal rankings for QT films;

Pulp

Kill Bill

Jackie Brown

Django

Inglorious

Dogs

Grindhouse*

H8

* I know QT only did Death Proof but I saw Grindhouse as a whole including fake trailers on a screen and rate my experience accordingly (placing it 7th out of 8 is a testament to the 6 above it more than anything else, as I really liked it). I have yet to see Death Proof as a stand-alone on TV, etc. I imagine the whole is much greater than the sum of its parts.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

 

[jdoggydogg]

There were parts I liked but as a whole, it fell well below expectations.

I'll preface my question by restating that I liked the movie. That said, what were your expectations?

 

[Keith R]

There were parts I liked but as a whole, it fell well below expectations.

I'll preface my question by restating that I liked the movie. That said, what were your expectations?

Not necessarily specific expectations, just very high expectations given QT's track record.

As for critiques, I felt that the style overwhelmed the substance (QT films are heavy-style, but the previous films had a story to match the style). I would have liked more action. Not easy to do with a large cast, but I would have liked more depth to the Roth and Madsen roles and more background to the Leigh character. That in particular would have made certain parts more justifiable. I thought Leigh was great but needed more meat for the role.

 

[jdoggydogg]

There were parts I liked but as a whole, it fell well below expectations.

I'll preface my question by restating that I liked the movie. That said, what were your expectations?

Not necessarily specific expectations, just very high expectations given QT's track record.

As for critiques, I felt that the style overwhelmed the substance (QT films are heavy-style, but the previous films had a story to match the style). I would have liked more action. Not easy to do with a large cast, but I would have liked more depth to the Roth and Madsen roles and more background to the Leigh character. That in particular would have made certain parts more justifiable. I thought Leigh was great but needed more meat for the role.

I don't disagree. Then again, Tim Roth is criminally underused in Hollywood - so he can't get enough screen time as far as I'm concerned.

 

[cstu]

So what are the odds that those 15 people from the Domergue gang actually exist?

0

 

[bigbottom]

Well, this sucks.

https://reverb.com/blog/cf-martin-responds-to-the-destruction-of-145-year-old-guitar-on-hateful-eight-set

Lesson learned - don't lend your guitar to Quentin Tarantino or Kurt Russell.

And as mentioned in the article, I guess Jennifer Jason Leigh wasn't acting at the end of this scene:

http://youtu.be/yWzHT7dpyhg

 

[KarmaPolice]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

 

[Zow]

Well, this sucks.

https://reverb.com/blog/cf-martin-responds-to-the-destruction-of-145-year-old-guitar-on-hateful-eight-set

Lesson learned - don't lend your guitar to Quentin Tarantino or Kurt Russell.

And as mentioned in the article, I guess Jennifer Jason Leigh wasn't acting at the end of this scene:

http://youtu.be/yWzHT7dpyhg

Ouch. That does suck.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

I meant more that the dialogue was sophomoric compared to usual QT stuff. The violence is there is his movies, but can't think of a good reason the blood vomit scene or the repeated shots on JJL are there besides to get a rise from the aaudience.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

I meant more that the dialogue was sophomoric compared to usual QT stuff. The violence is there is his movies, but can't think of a good reason the blood vomit scene or the repeated shots on JJL are there besides to get a rise from the aaudience.

Sure. I agree.

Look, I don't think Tarantino is a genius. I think he makes entertaining movies. And along with that, he sometimes makes bad decisions. But how many movies do you attend where the script is the reason you're there? In this genre, I think the Coens' True Grit is a far better film. But I think it doesn't work to compare every movie to every movie ever made. I laughed at Hateful 8 and I'm glad I saw it.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

I meant more that the dialogue was sophomoric compared to usual QT stuff. The violence is there is his movies, but can't think of a good reason the blood vomit scene or the repeated shots on JJL are there besides to get a rise from the aaudience.

Sure. I agree.

Look, I don't think Tarantino is a genius. I think he makes entertaining movies. And along with that, he sometimes makes bad decisions. But how many movies do you attend where the script is the reason you're there? In this genre, I think the Coens' True Grit is a far better film. But I think it doesn't work to compare every movie to every movie ever made. I laughed at Hateful 8 and I'm glad I saw it.

You know me better than this - I would say most. Direction, script, and acting are what I am looking for 80+% of the time. I just found a couple of those sorely lacking here, that's all. We like what we like, but it does surprise me when critics and others call this movie masterful and have it at the top of Tarantino's films.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

I meant more that the dialogue was sophomoric compared to usual QT stuff. The violence is there is his movies, but can't think of a good reason the blood vomit scene or the repeated shots on JJL are there besides to get a rise from the aaudience.

Sure. I agree.

Look, I don't think Tarantino is a genius. I think he makes entertaining movies. And along with that, he sometimes makes bad decisions. But how many movies do you attend where the script is the reason you're there? In this genre, I think the Coens' True Grit is a far better film. But I think it doesn't work to compare every movie to every movie ever made. I laughed at Hateful 8 and I'm glad I saw it.

You know me better than this - I would say most. Direction, script, and acting are what I am looking for 80+% of the time. I just found a couple of those sorely lacking here, that's all. We like what we like, but it does surprise me when critics and others call this movie masterful and have it at the top of Tarantino's films.

No, I know you like a good script. I'm just asking how many screenwriters can you name? I can only name a couple.

Anyway, I'd rank Tarantino's movies like this:

1. Pulp Fiction

2. Jackie Brown

3. Reservoir Dogs

4. True Romance

5. Inglourious Basterds

6. Kill Bill

7. The Hateful 8

8. Django Unchained

9. Death Proof

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

I meant more that the dialogue was sophomoric compared to usual QT stuff. The violence is there is his movies, but can't think of a good reason the blood vomit scene or the repeated shots on JJL are there besides to get a rise from the aaudience.

Sure. I agree.

Look, I don't think Tarantino is a genius. I think he makes entertaining movies. And along with that, he sometimes makes bad decisions. But how many movies do you attend where the script is the reason you're there? In this genre, I think the Coens' True Grit is a far better film. But I think it doesn't work to compare every movie to every movie ever made. I laughed at Hateful 8 and I'm glad I saw it.

You know me better than this - I would say most. Direction, script, and acting are what I am looking for 80+% of the time. I just found a couple of those sorely lacking here, that's all. We like what we like, but it does surprise me when critics and others call this movie masterful and have it at the top of Tarantino's films.

No, I know you like a good script. I'm just asking how many screenwriters can you name? I can only name a couple.

Anyway, I'd rank Tarantino's movies like this:

1. Pulp Fiction

2. Jackie Brown

3. Reservoir Dogs

4. True Romance

5. Inglourious Basterds

6. Kill Bill

7. The Hateful 8

8. Django Unchained

9. Death Proof

If you're going to count True Romance, don't you have to count Natural Born Killers? And if you're going to count those, do you also have to count From Dusk Till Dawn?

 

[bigbottom]

I can't believe my buddy jdog isn't pissed at QT about the guitar.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

I meant more that the dialogue was sophomoric compared to usual QT stuff. The violence is there is his movies, but can't think of a good reason the blood vomit scene or the repeated shots on JJL are there besides to get a rise from the aaudience.

Sure. I agree.

Look, I don't think Tarantino is a genius. I think he makes entertaining movies. And along with that, he sometimes makes bad decisions. But how many movies do you attend where the script is the reason you're there? In this genre, I think the Coens' True Grit is a far better film. But I think it doesn't work to compare every movie to every movie ever made. I laughed at Hateful 8 and I'm glad I saw it.

You know me better than this - I would say most. Direction, script, and acting are what I am looking for 80+% of the time. I just found a couple of those sorely lacking here, that's all. We like what we like, but it does surprise me when critics and others call this movie masterful and have it at the top of Tarantino's films.

No, I know you like a good script. I'm just asking how many screenwriters can you name? I can only name a couple.

Anyway, I'd rank Tarantino's movies like this:

1. Pulp Fiction

2. Jackie Brown

3. Reservoir Dogs

4. True Romance

5. Inglourious Basterds

6. Kill Bill

7. The Hateful 8

8. Django Unchained

9. Death Proof

If you're going to count True Romance, don't you have to count Natural Born Killers? And if you're going to count those, do you also have to count From Dusk Till Dawn?

That's a valid point. NBK is near the bottom and Dusk Till Dawn is below the bottom.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I can't believe my buddy jdog isn't pissed at QT about the guitar.

Wasn't that weird? Can you imagine the look on their faces once they realized they destroyed a priceless guitar?

 

[Bob Magaw]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

I meant more that the dialogue was sophomoric compared to usual QT stuff. The violence is there is his movies, but can't think of a good reason the blood vomit scene or the repeated shots on JJL are there besides to get a rise from the aaudience.

For me the blood vomit scene wasn't as out of place as if it had been in My Dinner With Andre.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I don't buy the "women don't like Tarantino" concept. I think casual film goers - be they male or female - might very well hate Tarantino's long stretches of dialogue. Wordy scripts are the exception in Hollywood, not the rule. So it's a style that does not appeal the mainstream - and that transcends gender.

During the summer? Sure, but I don't think that is the case come award season.

I am interested in your take, as we seem to be migrating apart a little bit in movie tastes lately. I see you railing against horror movies and their violence in some of the threads, basically saying that isn't for you anymore. I see a lot of that sophomoric dialogue and violence in this movie. Did it effect you in the same way?

I know you didn't ask me, but my expectations were that while I haven't loved the last couple movies of his, there were scenes of brilliance. While I roll my eyes at his love of grindhouse crap, he still was able to deliver on dialogue and acting - both of which I found to be severely lacking in this movie.

To me it's all about context. In many Tarantino films, the violence is the natural cause and effect of tension and acrimony from the script. In many horror films, the only purpose of the violence is to shock you by killing off characters you don't even care about. You say the violence in 8 is sophomoric. Sophomoric compared to what? Insidious 3? You didn't like Hateful 8, and that's totally cool. But even average Tarantino films are far better than most Hollywood nonsense.

I don't mean to make it sound like Hateful 8 is great. It isn't. It was entertaining, and that was what I'd hoped for.

I meant more that the dialogue was sophomoric compared to usual QT stuff. The violence is there is his movies, but can't think of a good reason the blood vomit scene or the repeated shots on JJL are there besides to get a rise from the aaudience.

For me the blood vomit scene wasn't as out of place as if it had been in My Dinner With Andre.

I agree.

Although you have to admit that the shovel decapitation in My Dinner With Andre was oddly out of place.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Sounds like Samuel Jackson and John Travolta have signed on for My Dinner With Andre Part 2 (###### ######! ).

 

[jdoggydogg]

Sounds like Samuel Jackson and John Travolta have signed on for My Dinner With Andre Part 2 (###### ######! ).

My Dinner With Andre 2: Electric Boogaloo

 

[jdoggydogg]

We like what we like, but it does surprise me when critics and others call this movie masterful and have it at the top of Tarantino's films.

I know I can't talk you into liking this movie. But a recent SlashFilmCast podcast sums up my positive thoughts on the movie.

Worth a listen if you like film reviews

 

[Bob Magaw]

Sounds like Samuel Jackson and John Travolta have signed on for My Dinner With Andre Part 2 (###### ######! ).

My Dinner With Andre 2: Electric Boogaloo

Wally Shawn to be the top floor final assassin in Kill Bill 3: Game Of Death (also starring Steven Seagal and Shaquille O'Neal).

Inconceivable!