Tarvaris Jackson (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

Nope it's thru analysis of film and the combine tapings, now that it is readily available. That is how I determined Laurent Robinson is far better than guys taken in the 1st-2nd round not named Calvin Johnson and possible Bowe.

Oh this is getting good...So Laurent Robinson is better than Sidney Rice and Anthony Gonzalez? Not necessarily from a fantasy perspective, but an NFL one?

 

[BigJim®]

There isn't a single backup in the league that I'd pick to start ahead of Jackson.

Really? Which of those 9 TDs was the one that convinced you TJ was better than all NFL backups? I'm not trying to be a TJ basher, but the reality is he's shown nothing to establish himself as a viable starter, no moreso than half the QBs I've seen named here anyway. Is there any other fanbase out there demanding a 2nd-3rd round QB *must* be their team's starter and QB of the future? Where are the Raider fans demanding that no backup is better than Andrew Walter? Where are the Chief fans agruing that no backup is better than Croyle? Kevin Kolb? John Beck? Drew Stanton? If TJ was on any other NFL team, he'd be fortunate to be named #2 based on his resume.Even Childress, who's own credibility is on the line, refused to proclaim TJ as the 2008 starter after seeing teams stack the line to stop Peterson, and witnessing TJ prove himself unable to do anything about it. At his best, TJ was a "mistake free" QB who allowed the defense/running game to win games. Quite frankly, any backup in the NFL, on a proper leash, could throw 9/15 for 160 yards.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There isn't a single backup in the league that I'd pick to start ahead of Jackson.

Really? Which of those 9 TDs was the one that convinced you TJ was better than all NFL backups? I'm not trying to be a TJ basher, but the reality is he's shown nothing to establish himself as a viable starter, no moreso than half the QBs I've seen named here anyway. Is there any other fanbase out there demanding a 2nd-3rd round QB *must* be their team's starter and QB of the future? Where are the Raider fans demanding that no backup is better than Andrew Walter? Where are the Chief fans agruing that no backup is better than Croyle? Kevin Kolb? John Beck? Drew Stanton? If TJ was on any other NFL team, he'd be fortunate to be named #2 based on his resume.Even Childress, who's own credibility is on the line, refused to proclaim TJ as the 2008 starter after seeing teams stack the line to stop Peterson, and witnessing TJ prove himself unable to do anything about it. At his best, TJ was a "mistake free" QB who allowed the defense/running game to win games. Quite frankly, any backup in the NFL, on a proper leash, could throw 9/15 for 160 yards.

I explained it before. I'd rather swing for the fences with what I perceive as TJ's upside than settle for the mediocrity I believe I'd get with any of the league's backups.And if any backup could throw for 9/15 for 160 yards and a 1/2 td/int ratio, how many backups would you pick to start ahead of Vince Young?

 

[Bull Dozier]

The original question was simply who would start over Jackson given a full camp, and the answer is none of them. Childress has hitched is train to Jackson and until Jackson has a season of regression, no one is going to take his job.

Actually, that was not the question. If you are going to carve into the question "Who would CHILDRESS start over TJ" then there is no point in even asking the question. The question should be thought of, IMHO, as "Assuming an unbiased coaching staff... ."

Are you arguing just to argue? First, here's the original post:Let's say Minnesota could trade for any current backup QB on the other 31 teams.Which of them would start over Jackson, if given full minicamps and training camp?It doesn't say anything about who's making the decision. So I'm assuming reality other than what the hypothetical supplies. The reality is Childress.Secondly, if you're saying how the questions should be thought of, then I agree, and you snipped out of my quote what made that apparent.

 

[BigJim®]

I explained it before. I'd rather swing for the fences with what I perceive as TJ's upside than settle for the mediocrity I believe I'd get with any of the league's backups.

Maybe it's just me, but I missed the upside you are referring to. He can throw alright and run a little, no different from other also-ran QBs like Shaun King, Mike McMahon, Charlie Batch, Josh McCown. I've not once seen that dazzling performance where TJ showed himself to have that 320 yard/4 TD game in him. He's shown that maybe he can be the next Shaun King/Anthony Wright, but nothing more.

And if any backup could throw for 9/15 for 160 yards and a 1/2 td/int ratio, how many backups would you pick to start ahead of Vince Young?

Vince Young, from a leadership perspective [stats aside] doesn't belong in the same conversation with Tarvaris Jackson. He absolutely showed a higher ceiling in 2006, despite taking a step back during his sophomore season for a bunch of reasons. The problem is TJ has shown nothing, IMHO, that transcends meager statistics. He's shown he can perhaps "not lose" games. Whooopie. If our standards for a NFL QB in Minnesota have sunk that low, then I guess we'll just not rely on a QB to win games for the next 5-6 years.

 

[BigJim®]

Are you arguing just to argue? First, here's the original post:

Not at all; my response was moreso what I perceived the true question to be. If people are supposed to assume the question is "Who would Childress start," then I agree 100% the answer is no one. Maybe Sage if the team in fact offered a 3rd for him, but to me that sort of acquisition would be to promote <nod, nod, wink, wink> 'competition' destined to justify handing the job to TJ. Otherwise, not much room for discussion on a question like that.

 

[Interseptopus]

Akili Smith

Ryan Leaf

Tim Couch

Eric Crouch

Cleo Lemon

Rich Gannon today

Rex Grossman

Kyle Orton

Brian Greise

Jim Sorgi

Basically fill in the blank with any QB you can think of... past or present... or even future... I think I saw a kid on Preps Plus the other day playing for my old high school... he looked pretty good. Bet he could beat Jackson out for the job

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I explained it before. I'd rather swing for the fences with what I perceive as TJ's upside than settle for the mediocrity I believe I'd get with any of the league's backups.

Maybe it's just me, but I missed the upside you are referring to. He can throw alright and run a little, no different from other also-ran QBs like Shaun King, Mike McMahon, Charlie Batch, Josh McCown. I've not once seen that dazzling performance where TJ showed himself to have that 320 yard/4 TD game in him. He's shown that maybe he can be the next Shaun King/Anthony Wright, but nothing more.

And if any backup could throw for 9/15 for 160 yards and a 1/2 td/int ratio, how many backups would you pick to start ahead of Vince Young?

Vince Young, from a leadership perspective [stats aside] doesn't belong in the same conversation with Tarvaris Jackson. He absolutely showed a higher ceiling in 2006, despite taking a step back during his sophomore season for a bunch of reasons. The problem is TJ has shown nothing, IMHO, that transcends meager statistics. He's shown he can perhaps "not lose" games. Whooopie. If our standards for a NFL QB in Minnesota have sunk that low, then I guess we'll just not rely on a QB to win games for the next 5-6 years.

I'm not saying I love TJax. I'm the original TJax basher (along with Childress, who I still think is a terrible coach).I'm just saying that I saw enough in the last two games last year to say this team has a better chance of winning 10 games with TJax than it would with any backup QB in the league.I'm still hoping they draft a QB, but I'm not holding my breath that it's going to happen.

 

[Raider Nation]

So to be clear, you give Jackson no chance to be an effective QB this year, correct?

Absolutely. None. He will be at the bottom of the FFL barrel of QB's. He will stink.

I'll be back in December... either to gloat or admit defeat.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Akili SmithRyan LeafTim CouchEric CrouchCleo LemonRich Gannon todayRex GrossmanKyle OrtonBrian GreiseJim SorgiBasically fill in the blank with any QB you can think of... past or present... or even future... I think I saw a kid on Preps Plus the other day playing for my old high school... he looked pretty good. Bet he could beat Jackson out for the job

I like Tarvaris, and disagree. But this is funny stuff...

 

[jestertj]

I explained it before. I'd rather swing for the fences with what I perceive as TJ's upside than settle for the mediocrity I believe I'd get with any of the league's backups.

Maybe it's just me, but I missed the upside you are referring to. He can throw alright and run a little, no different from other also-ran QBs like Shaun King, Mike McMahon, Charlie Batch, Josh McCown. I've not once seen that dazzling performance where TJ showed himself to have that 320 yard/4 TD game in him. He's shown that maybe he can be the next Shaun King/Anthony Wright, but nothing more.

He's not in an offense where he's chucking it 30 times per game, so until he is allowed to do that it's hard to hold that against him.

And if any backup could throw for 9/15 for 160 yards and a 1/2 td/int ratio, how many backups would you pick to start ahead of Vince Young?

Vince Young, from a leadership perspective [stats aside] doesn't belong in the same conversation with Tarvaris Jackson. He absolutely showed a higher ceiling in 2006, despite taking a step back during his sophomore season for a bunch of reasons. The problem is TJ has shown nothing, IMHO, that transcends meager statistics. He's shown he can perhaps "not lose" games. Whooopie. If our standards for a NFL QB in Minnesota have sunk that low, then I guess we'll just not rely on a QB to win games for the next 5-6 years.

So by your reasoning VY can throw a little and run alright. I don't know what ceiling you're talking about. He's a glorified running back.

 

[The Man With No Name]

He did finish as fantasy qb #20 in 2007. That's starter #2 in 10-12-14-16 team leagues. And that was in his very first year of starting. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

 

[BigJim®]

So by your reasoning VY can throw a little and run alright. I don't know what ceiling you're talking about. He's a glorified running back.

Technically he's a glorified QB who, despite ho-hum stats, found a way to get a below average Titan team on the cusp of playoffs in 2006. Specifically, Young did that by commandeering a number of 4th quarter comebacks against good teams, whether by foot or passing. As I recall, Young was top 5 PPG in the 2nd half of 2006 among QBs, so even stats-wise he showed he belonged as an NFL QB. Has Tarvaris ever led a 4th quarter comeback? I honestly do not mean to belittle, but anyone who compares Tarvaris favorably or even equally to Vince Young is either crazy, just looking for shock value, or is LHUCKS. While Young disappointed last year, he brings so much more to the table in terms of athleticism and leadership. As a Viking fan, I'd trade 10 Tarvaris Jackson projects for Vince Young. That guy is undeniably an investment worth making and suffering through, IMHO.

 

[jestertj]

So by your reasoning VY can throw a little and run alright. I don't know what ceiling you're talking about. He's a glorified running back.

Technically he's a glorified QB who, despite ho-hum stats, found a way to get a below average Titan team on the cusp of playoffs in 2006. Specifically, Young did that by commandeering a number of 4th quarter comebacks against good teams, whether by foot or passing. As I recall, Young was top 5 PPG in the 2nd half of 2006 among QBs, so even stats-wise he showed he belonged as an NFL QB. Has Tarvaris ever led a 4th quarter comeback? I honestly do not mean to belittle, but anyone who compares Tarvaris favorably or even equally to Vince Young is either crazy, just looking for shock value, or is LHUCKS. While Young disappointed last year, he brings so much more to the table in terms of athleticism and leadership. As a Viking fan, I'd trade 10 Tarvaris Jackson projects for Vince Young. That guy is undeniably an investment worth making and suffering through, IMHO.

Top 5 PPG in fantasy stats? If so, not interested in discussing that. If that's what you want to talk about, then start talking about Vick too. He had plenty of high point stretches fantasy wise because of his running ability. I never have liked him as a long term QB.Has he lead a 4th quarter comeback? Kind of. He was doing okay in Denver, even though they lost. But technically, no. He has physical tools. If he learns to use them, he'll be fine. I like his calm demeanor as his mistakes don't seem to set him on tilt. Second year QBs will make mistakes, period. In my opinion, he's showing progress which is what I base my opinion on.Also, go Tommies.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Since this thread is gonna be bumped either way, make room for me on the "Tarvaris is worthless" side of the fence.

 

[Raider Nation]

Since this thread is gonna be bumped either way, make room for me on the "Tarvaris is worthless" side of the fence.

I'm hoping most of my leaguemates see it this way. I'm gonna steal him late and laugh my way to the championship*.*already have ADP on my roster.... if the Vikes run it in or pass it in, I win either way.

 

[BigJim®]

Top 5 PPG in fantasy stats? If so, not interested in discussing that. If that's what you want to talk about, then start talking about Vick too. He had plenty of high point stretches fantasy wise because of his running ability. I never have liked him as a long term QB.Has he lead a 4th quarter comeback? Kind of. He was doing okay in Denver, even though they lost. But technically, no.

I do think stats play into this discussion somehow, as ability to put up stats does show the difference-maker ability. My main point was Young had shown flashes of ability to take over games, which is my main complaint with blindly standing by TJ as if he has. TJ has not shown that quality, at all. As mentioned, at his best TJ has been the guy who doesn't do anything to lose. Maybe he has, but I don't remember him leading any crucial drives.

He has physical tools. If he learns to use them, he'll be fine. I like his calm demeanor as his mistakes don't seem to set him on tilt. Second year QBs will make mistakes, period. In my opinion, he's showing progress which is what I base my opinion on.

That's all fine and good, but it does not distinguish him from guys like Batch, Shaun King, Mike McMahon and all other QBs of that ilk... the sort who were steady-eddies and good enough to win [or perhaps not bad enough to lose]. However, they were not difference makers, and never showed any reason to believe they ever would be. That's TJ to me in a nutshell. I'll view TJ as a franchise QB the moment he shows that he is one; until then I'm not going to sit here and say he showed a little progress and proclaim him an entrenched starter. If your own coach won't call you a starter heading into the next season, and Sage Rosenfels is speculated as your legit competition as a starter, do you know what that makes you? A bottom 5 NFL starter. It's just reality.

Also, go Tommies.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

8-4 as a starter this year. That isn't too bad. The team that he is on went 0-4 when he didn't start so that has to say something about him. Was he a hall of famer? No Did he lead his team to victory? Yes

I know this argument isn't be all, end all, but it has to factor in at some point.

 

[loose circuits]

8-4 as a starter this year. That isn't too bad. The team that he is on went 0-4 when he didn't start so that has to say something about him. Was he a hall of famer? No Did he lead his team to victory? Yes I know this argument isn't be all, end all, but it has to factor in at some point.

 

[ChampBailey24]

It's easier to name the backups that couldn't start ahead of Jackson since there is only 1.David Carr.

lod2005, hi!Glad to see you back!

 

[FavreCo]

It's easier to name the backups that couldn't start ahead of Jackson since there is only 1.David Carr.

lod2005, hi!Glad to see you back!

 

[Liquid Tension]

Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper

I have to think that if (disregarding salaries) you offered Childress Losman in exchange for Jackson, he would be more than happy to pull the trigger, no?

I would be more than happy to have Losman on the roster, but see him as a backup to Jackson, rather than the starter. The flashes of ability that he showed last year are what I was impressed with. If he can put it together and have the game slow down for him, plus having better wideouts should add up to a better season.

I understand guys dropped balls on Jackson, which can kill drives and confidence. But as much as Berrian is an upgrade and Rice should continue to improve...the game better slow down A LOT for Jackson in order for him to take advantage of the improvements. I am skeptical, but very curious.

I tend to agree with Coach here. I am not sure what the supporters of Jackson see? What i saw was a fantastic running game that allowed Jackson to throw is almost ideal situations and Jackson missing open guys. I was not impressed at all and in fact would take many backups over him. Can he improve, of course he can. But, he was awful in what should have been a great situation. Indoors, great OL, great running attack and decent defense. The only hole is the QB IMO. We normally talk fantasy here, but I am assuming the question was NFL related and I would like to hear what positives the Jackson supporters see? I have been a very critical of Chad Pennington even when Jet fans were drooling over him (some still think he will be very good), but I think Minnesota would be FAR better off with him at the helm than Jackson.

 

[jestertj]

Top 5 PPG in fantasy stats? If so, not interested in discussing that. If that's what you want to talk about, then start talking about Vick too. He had plenty of high point stretches fantasy wise because of his running ability. I never have liked him as a long term QB.Has he lead a 4th quarter comeback? Kind of. He was doing okay in Denver, even though they lost. But technically, no.

I do think stats play into this discussion somehow, as ability to put up stats does show the difference-maker ability. My main point was Young had shown flashes of ability to take over games, which is my main complaint with blindly standing by TJ as if he has. TJ has not shown that quality, at all. As mentioned, at his best TJ has been the guy who doesn't do anything to lose. Maybe he has, but I don't remember him leading any crucial drives.

VY played on the big stage in college and dominated with his physical running ability. The flashes he's shown in the NFL are all the same way, pulling the ball down and making things happen. Eventually, like all QBs he'll have to do it with his arm. TJ wasn't on the big stage in college and unless you count MNF, he hasn't been in the NFL either. No he wasn't ready to be the starter last season. No he hasn't taken over a game. I'm sure the coaches would have loved to see it happen, but they didn't really make that a priority. I know drops get mentioned and it's an easy excuse. But the truth is, he had Rice and Wade to lean on. A first year guy and a #3 at best. I'm not putting the guy in the Pro Bowl, but I think he has a legit chance to be a good QB if he starts to put it together.

He has physical tools. If he learns to use them, he'll be fine. I like his calm demeanor as his mistakes don't seem to set him on tilt. Second year QBs will make mistakes, period. In my opinion, he's showing progress which is what I base my opinion on.

That's all fine and good, but it does not distinguish him from guys like Batch, Shaun King, Mike McMahon and all other QBs of that ilk... the sort who were steady-eddies and good enough to win [or perhaps not bad enough to lose]. However, they were not difference makers, and never showed any reason to believe they ever would be. That's TJ to me in a nutshell. I'll view TJ as a franchise QB the moment he shows that he is one; until then I'm not going to sit here and say he showed a little progress and proclaim him an entrenched starter. If your own coach won't call you a starter heading into the next season, and Sage Rosenfels is speculated as your legit competition as a starter, do you know what that makes you? A bottom 5 NFL starter. It's just reality.

Also, go Tommies.

:(

I think his ceiling is higher than Batch/King. I never mentioned the word "franchise", so don't put that on me. I haven't seen nearly enough to do that. I save that word for the Peyton/Brady type of guys. There are only a handful of those guys in the league at any one time.

 

[jestertj]

Great question.

Pennington

Warner

Volek

Losman

Culpepper

I have to think that if (disregarding salaries) you offered Childress Losman in exchange for Jackson, he would be more than happy to pull the trigger, no?

I would be more than happy to have Losman on the roster, but see him as a backup to Jackson, rather than the starter. The flashes of ability that he showed last year are what I was impressed with. If he can put it together and have the game slow down for him, plus having better wideouts should add up to a better season.

I understand guys dropped balls on Jackson, which can kill drives and confidence. But as much as Berrian is an upgrade and Rice should continue to improve...the game better slow down A LOT for Jackson in order for him to take advantage of the improvements. I am skeptical, but very curious.

I tend to agree with Coach here. I am not sure what the supporters of Jackson see? What i saw was a fantastic running game that allowed Jackson to throw is almost ideal situations and Jackson missing open guys. I was not impressed at all and in fact would take many backups over him. Can he improve, of course he can. But, he was awful in what should have been a great situation. Indoors, great OL, great running attack and decent defense. The only hole is the QB IMO. We normally talk fantasy here, but I am assuming the question was NFL related and I would like to hear what positives the Jackson supporters see? I have been a very critical of Chad Pennington even when Jet fans were drooling over him (some still think he will be very good), but I think Minnesota would be FAR better off with him at the helm than Jackson.

A great OL? What team were you watching? We're not talking about the '98 Vikes here. The left side had games where they got AD free, but I wouldn't consider this line any better than average when pass blocking. Average protection and no true go to target isn't my idea of a great situation.

 

[KellysHeroes]

A great OL? What team were you watching? We're not talking about the '98 Vikes here. The left side had games where they got AD free, but I wouldn't consider this line any better than average when pass blocking. Average protection and no true go to target isn't my idea of a great situation.

Ok.. people are about to jump all over u. I see what your saying. Minny has one of the greatest Run Lines in the league... mostly because their huge. Sometimes; an O-line like that isn't always that good for protecting the Passer. Just like we saw in the Giant / Cowboy Playoff game.. an huge O-Line can tire in the 4th, and speed rushers can begin to get around them and to bring pressure. Guards like Hutch are special, they are excellent at both Run Blocking and Pass Protecting. This is the opposite case in NO... where the O-Line is built to protect the QB 1st and Run Block 2nd. In NO case; a between the tackles runner is better suited... that line overthere doesn't allow Reggie to get to the outside and use his greatest talent; his speed. That why there are so many swing passes to him.Like I always said; if Bush was on Minny or even if Hou did take him 3yrs ago.. hed atleast RB#3 in any format.

 

[encaitar]

A great OL? What team were you watching? We're not talking about the '98 Vikes here. The left side had games where they got AD free, but I wouldn't consider this line any better than average when pass blocking. Average protection and no true go to target isn't my idea of a great situation.

Ok.. people are about to jump all over u. I see what your saying. Minny has one of the greatest Run Lines in the league... mostly because their huge. Sometimes; an O-line like that isn't always that good for protecting the Passer. Just like we saw in the Giant / Cowboy Playoff game.. an huge O-Line can tire in the 4th, and speed rushers can begin to get around them and to bring pressure. Guards like Hutch are special, they are excellent at both Run Blocking and Pass Protecting. This is the opposite case in NO... where the O-Line is built to protect the QB 1st and Run Block 2nd. In NO case; a between the tackles runner is better suited... that line overthere doesn't allow Reggie to get to the outside and use his greatest talent; his speed. That why there are so many swing passes to him.Like I always said; if Bush was on Minny or even if Hou did take him 3yrs ago.. hed atleast RB#3 in any format.

Minnesota has three good lineman and none more. McKinnie, Hutch, and Birk make running to the left side a lot easier, but defenses know this and stack up on the left side quite often. Herrara showed the he is improving last year, but he still wouldn't start on more than half the teams in the league and Ryan Cook was just awful.People overestimate the talent of Minnesota's line. The left side is great at the running game and Birk and Hutch are as good as any at pass protection for their positions, but McKinnie has never reached the potential he had in the passing game. He gets beat far too often for someone who's supposed to be a franchise left tackle. Hererra and Cook are pedestrian in the passing game.Jackson wasn't great last year, but he went to a small school in college with no QB coach. Last year was his first year starting in a difficult system and he showed flashes. Sure he isn't there yet and it might be two more years before he gets there, but he does have the talent. He just needs to become more comfortable with it.

 

[KellysHeroes]

A great OL? What team were you watching? We're not talking about the '98 Vikes here. The left side had games where they got AD free, but I wouldn't consider this line any better than average when pass blocking. Average protection and no true go to target isn't my idea of a great situation.

Ok.. people are about to jump all over u. I see what your saying. Minny has one of the greatest Run Lines in the league... mostly because their huge. Sometimes; an O-line like that isn't always that good for protecting the Passer. Just like we saw in the Giant / Cowboy Playoff game.. an huge O-Line can tire in the 4th, and speed rushers can begin to get around them and to bring pressure. Guards like Hutch are special, they are excellent at both Run Blocking and Pass Protecting. This is the opposite case in NO... where the O-Line is built to protect the QB 1st and Run Block 2nd. In NO case; a between the tackles runner is better suited... that line overthere doesn't allow Reggie to get to the outside and use his greatest talent; his speed. That why there are so many swing passes to him.Like I always said; if Bush was on Minny or even if Hou did take him 3yrs ago.. hed atleast RB#3 in any format.

Minnesota has three good lineman and none more. McKinnie, Hutch, and Birk make running to the left side a lot easier, but defenses know this and stack up on the left side quite often. Herrara showed the he is improving last year, but he still wouldn't start on more than half the teams in the league and Ryan Cook was just awful.People overestimate the talent of Minnesota's line. The left side is great at the running game and Birk and Hutch are as good as any at pass protection for their positions, but McKinnie has never reached the potential he had in the passing game. He gets beat far too often for someone who's supposed to be a franchise left tackle. Hererra and Cook are pedestrian in the passing game.Jackson wasn't great last year, but he went to a small school in college with no QB coach. Last year was his first year starting in a difficult system and he showed flashes. Sure he isn't there yet and it might be two more years before he gets there, but he does have the talent. He just needs to become more comfortable with it.

Good analysis... Like I've been saying. For this kids $$, you can't wrong by aquiring him.

 

[mozzy84]

I am not saying jackson is a bust yet, I think the guy has tons of potential. but myself I would feel more comfortable with any of these guys if they were playing tomorrow, alot can change by the start if the season. I really really want the vikes to bring another guy in who can play but pretty sure they won't.....

in no order...

quinn

huard

pennington

batch

volek

T. collins

warner

rex

hill/maybe even dilfer if he still plays

wallace

green

K. collins

 

[Polyethylene Bag]

I am not saying jackson is a bust yet, I think the guy has tons of potential. but myself I would feel more comfortable with any of these guys if they were playing tomorrow, alot can change by the start if the season. I really really want the vikes to bring another guy in who can play but pretty sure they won't.....in no order...quinnhuardpenningtonbatchvolekT. collinswarnerrexhill/maybe even dilfer if he still playswallacegreenK. collins

As Andy D has been saying, a few of those guys (certainly not all of them) would be good enough to propel Minny to a first round playoff loss. Is that really your aspiration as a Viking fan? Why bother? From a fantasy perspective, you've gotta be buying right now. He can be had for peanuts and he's got a lot of upside. I'm predicting a breakout season.

 

[FairWarning]

Todd Collins would be a good backup for Minn.

TJ started to show some promise last year. In a salary cap league, he needs to take a big step this year.

 

[FUBAR]

I am not saying jackson is a bust yet, I think the guy has tons of potential. but myself I would feel more comfortable with any of these guys if they were playing tomorrow, alot can change by the start if the season. I really really want the vikes to bring another guy in who can play but pretty sure they won't.....

in no order...

quinn

huard

pennington

batch

volek

T. collins

warner

rex

hill/maybe even dilfer if he still plays

wallace

green

K. collins

Well, I agree on 3 - and I think jackson does pretty well this year. I'd take him as my backup (FF)

 

[mozzy84]

I am not saying jackson is a bust yet, I think the guy has tons of potential. but myself I would feel more comfortable with any of these guys if they were playing tomorrow, alot can change by the start if the season. I really really want the vikes to bring another guy in who can play but pretty sure they won't.....in no order...quinnhuardpenningtonbatchvolekT. collinswarnerrexhill/maybe even dilfer if he still playswallacegreenK. collins

As Andy D has been saying, a few of those guys (certainly not all of them) would be good enough to propel Minny to a first round playoff loss. Is that really your aspiration as a Viking fan? Why bother? From a fantasy perspective, you've gotta be buying right now. He can be had for peanuts and he's got a lot of upside. I'm predicting a breakout season.

I hope he does have a breakout season. From what I saw last year he has a long ways to go this offseason, I am not getting my hopes up with jackson for next season anyways.

 

[Flea Flicker]

bumping this thread...

I think Tarvaris is going to be a highly undervalued QB heading into this season. Last year was his second in the league, but bascially his first as the starter. This year, with that experience plus a stronger supporting cast, Jackson ought to outperform his FFL draft status.

I think there were flashes down the stretch last year when the Vikings' were making their playoff push. Stats from his last seven games (and don't forget rushing stats... he isn't Vick, but they aren't meaningless, either):

120-184 (65.2%), 187.3 pass ypg, 1.0 pass TD/gm, 1.0 INT/gm, 27.9 rush ypg, 0.3 rush TD/gm

This is risky, but assuming he doesn't even progress at all in his second year as a starter, and his full season stats would look like:

3000 pass yds, 16 TD, 16 INT, 446 rush yds, 5 rush TDs

Slot him accordingly in your draft lists... I'm figuring he might be in the mid-teens of all QBs in 2008, not bad for a guy who might be taken in the mid-20s or lower.

 

[The Man With No Name]

In my 14 team Dynasty league, he was the 8th ranked qb the last 6 weeks of 2007.