Tatum Bell: he's baaaaaaaaaCK.... (1 Viewer)

[Bristol]

The flip side on saying if Bell got ALL the carries he could've had 200, is that if Mike Anderson had been given ALL the carries, who's to say he wouldn't have had 200?

This is alomost a repeat of the Holmes/LJ discussions from earlier in the year.

 

[chedha]

i have one or both of these players in all 4 of my leagues. (2 both, one tater only, one MA only). i really hope that MA smokes some weed or somebody gets hurt so i know who to start each week.

I think with bells performance this vs. wash, he will be announced as the featured back for the rest of the season by the end of this week

I think Shanny will realize that splitting the load between them works well.

Yeah i see where you coming from, but I just don't see why you would continue to split the load? What would've happened today if Bell got all the carries? Would we be looking at 200+ yds on arguably the best run d in the league??

What are you talking about? He broke two long runs that accounted for almost 80% of his total yardage. Let me tell you something, YOU CAN'T COUNT ON LONG GAINS WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT. Are you saying that he would have broken another one or two long runs to get 200 yards? Get over yourself...

What are you talking about?? Ok so why don't we omit all of the long runs by these guys LT's/Alexander's/Priest/Edge, and let's see what we come up with. YOU CAN'T SELECTIVELY OMIT RUNS BY ANY RUNNING BACK AND JUDGE THEM ON SHORT RUNS.. that logic doesn't make any sense at all.. Face it MIKE ANDERSON OWNER Bell looked great and should be considered at this point for more of a workload even if he isn't the featured guy.. and I own both guys in two leagues..

 

[tommyGunZ]

Did you even read my quote? It was Mike Anderson, not Olandis Gary. Olandis Gary had 0 carries in 2002. If you can't remember that, why I am I going to take your word that Portis wasn't the guy in week 3.

Really? Both Pro Football Reference and Yahoo say that Gary had 37 carries for 147 yards in 2002. You should email them and let them know that Gary didn't have a carry that year, and that their records are incorrect.

Portis out carried by Anderson starting in week 3, period. In week 3, Portis had 108 yards to Anderson's 28. That means he was the guy whether or not he played the first down. Anderson outgained Portis one week, in week 2, that's it.

FYI, and it's quite apparently you need the information, the Denver carries went like this early in 2002:Week 1: Gary 11, Anderson 7, Portis 5

Week 2: Gary 12, Anderson 10, Portis 4

Week 3: Portis 18, Anderson 7, Gary 0 (injured)

Week 4: Portis 8, Gary 5, Anderson 5

Week 5: Portis 20, Gary 4, Anderson 0

Gary was the starter entering the season, and Portis "took over" ~ week 5/6.

EXACTLY what I stated earlier in the thread.

Again, I don't care whether Bell or MA is the starter the rest of the year, but please stop comparing Bell to Portis. It is an insult to the way Portis began his career in Denver. He had over 3099 yards rushing in 29 games. At this point in 21 games Bell has 677 yards. Comparison over.

Please show me where I compared Bell to Portis. I compared the situations in which Portis and Bell emerged, not the actual runners. Shanny was hesistant to give the job to the young home run threat in '02, just as he's been hesistant to give the job to Bell this year. But in the end, talent wins out, as Portis proved in '02 and Bell has proved the last 2 weeks.

 

[j3r3m3y]

i have one or both of these players in all 4 of my leagues. (2 both, one tater only, one MA only). i really hope that MA smokes some weed or somebody gets hurt so i know who to start each week.

I think with bells performance this vs. wash, he will be announced as the featured back for the rest of the season by the end of this week

I think Shanny will realize that splitting the load between them works well.

At least someone else is thinking clearly. I brought this up before the season and earlier in this thread, and it is refreshing to hear others think the same thing. Anderson is old, Bell got hurt a bunch last year. If you have 2 fresh RBs, it wears defenses down and does it for the whole year. If Shanny wants to do RBBC, he will, because it seems to be working well so far.

Agreed. People like to point out that shanny has never used RBBC before, but look at it this way: Maybe he has never had too.Maybe Anderson is no longer able to carry the full load, and Bell never has been able to. Maybe the sum of the whole (using both) is worth more than the individual parts.

Shanny is a good coach, I think he will realize the value of using both guys.

What this means is no one is the "stud" in Denver. If they get the same workload next week the stat line is just as likely to be the opposite. They both have big play ability and they have both been ineffective on the goal line.

Just my opinion, but I have been following the situation carefully. Living in Denver it's discussed in the media constantly.

 

[heyshady]

We know one thing for certain.... Mike Anderson is a part time RB. He will never be a featured back with Tatum on the team. Now the final question needs to be answered: Can Tatum be a featured RB in the NFL?

 

[j3r3m3y]

Did you even read my quote? It was Mike Anderson, not Olandis Gary. Olandis Gary had 0 carries in 2002. If you can't remember that, why I am I going to take your word that Portis wasn't the guy in week 3.

Really? Both Pro Football Reference and Yahoo say that Gary had 37 carries for 147 yards in 2002. You should email them and let them know that Gary didn't have a carry that year, and that their records are incorrect.

Portis out carried by Anderson starting in week 3, period. In week 3, Portis had 108 yards to Anderson's 28. That means he was the guy whether or not he played the first down. Anderson outgained Portis one week, in week 2, that's it.

FYI, and it's quite apparently you need the information, the Denver carries went like this early in 2002:Week 1: Gary 11, Anderson 7, Portis 5

Week 2: Gary 12, Anderson 10, Portis 4

Week 3: Portis 18, Anderson 7, Gary 0 (injured)

Week 4: Portis 8, Gary 5, Anderson 5

Week 5: Portis 20, Gary 4, Anderson 0

Gary was the starter entering the season, and Portis "took over" ~ week 5/6.

EXACTLY what I stated earlier in the thread.

Again, I don't care whether Bell or MA is the starter the rest of the year, but please stop comparing Bell to Portis. It is an insult to the way Portis began his career in Denver. He had over 3099 yards rushing in 29 games. At this point in 21 games Bell has 677 yards. Comparison over.

Please show me where I compared Bell to Portis. I compared the situations in which Portis and Bell emerged, not the actual runners. Shanny was hesistant to give the job to the young home run threat in '02, just as he's been hesistant to give the job to Bell this year. But in the end, talent wins out, as Portis proved in '02 and Bell has proved the last 2 weeks.

The problem with your theory is this:Anderson > Gary

Portis > Bell

Anderson is also an excellent fullback and thats where the team needed him that year.

The situations are not as similar as you think.

I think today just showed Shanny does not have 100% confidence in either of them.

 

[stbugs]

Did you even read my quote? It was Mike Anderson, not Olandis Gary. Olandis Gary had 0 carries in 2002. If you can't remember that, why I am I going to take your word that Portis wasn't the guy in week 3.

Really? Both Pro Football Reference and Yahoo say that Gary had 37 carries for 147 yards in 2002. You should email them and let them know that Gary didn't have a carry that year, and that their records are incorrect.

Portis out carried by Anderson starting in week 3, period. In week 3, Portis had 108 yards to Anderson's 28. That means he was the guy whether or not he played the first down. Anderson outgained Portis one week, in week 2, that's it.

FYI, and it's quite apparently you need the information, the Denver carries went like this early in 2002:Week 1: Gary 11, Anderson 7, Portis 5

Week 2: Gary 12, Anderson 10, Portis 4

Week 3: Portis 18, Anderson 7, Gary 0 (injured)

Week 4: Portis 8, Gary 5, Anderson 5

Week 5: Portis 20, Gary 4, Anderson 0

Gary was the starter entering the season, and Portis "took over" ~ week 5/6.

EXACTLY what I stated earlier in the thread.

Again, I don't care whether Bell or MA is the starter the rest of the year, but please stop comparing Bell to Portis. It is an insult to the way Portis began his career in Denver. He had over 3099 yards rushing in 29 games. At this point in 21 games Bell has 677 yards. Comparison over.

Please show me where I compared Bell to Portis. I compared the situations in which Portis and Bell emerged, not the actual runners. Shanny was hesistant to give the job to the young home run threat in '02, just as he's been hesistant to give the job to Bell this year. But in the end, talent wins out, as Portis proved in '02 and Bell has proved the last 2 weeks.

Well NFL.com says Gary didn't play:NFL.com 2002 Stats

So now, I don't know what to believe. I guess I am wrong, but at least I know why. Can't even trust NFL.com for NFL stats.

This whole thread started with your quote comparing Bell's situation with Portis' and I still don't see how they compare. As of week 3 in 2002, Portis was the man. Week 4 was an aberration because Denver was down 31-3 at halftime and Griese threw 53 times.

I will stand by my assertion that Portis was the guy in week 3. I doubt in Denver after week 3 in 2002, there was even a thought of Portis not being the guy. Either way, I still think this is apples to oranges.

Portis taking over in week 3 of his stellar 2 year campaign with Denver is still nothing like Bell maybe, sorta, could be, possibly, no one knows taking over in week 22 of his not so good/not so stellar 2 year campaign.

 

[shakeybarn]

I just love the blatant gloating

 

[Bojang0301]

LOL, always love the lets take away the big runs comment. The big runs is WHY he is in there.

 

[Football Jones]

Take out those two long runs & Bell still averaged almost 4 yards. Not bad. Take away any RB's two longest runs in a game & it always hurts their average, LOL.

Anyway, I believe the Tatum Bell era is close to becoming a reality. I won't make a prediction what week it will be, but like I've said all along, no way Mike Anderson holds him off all season. If Bell keeps playing hard & maintains a good attitude, it's just a matter of time, IMO.

 

[zamboni]

I don't think anyone has questioned (or maybe they have) Bell's big play ability to break a long one.The key question remains whether he can be a durable, consistent 25-30 carry guy.

 

[Sanboy]

2 long runs.. nothing more hello bench next week

 

[-OZ-]

Take out those two long runs & Bell still averaged almost 4 yards. Not bad. Take away any RBs' two longest runs in a game & it always hurts their average, LOL.

Anyway, I believe the Tatum Bell era is close to becoming a reality. I won't make a prediction what week it will be, but like I've said all along, no way Mike Anderson holds him off all season. If Bell keeps playing hard & maintains a good attitude, it's just a matter of time, IMO.

Bell is going to become a bigger part of the offense, but we're looking at RBBC here.I didn't see the entire game, but I saw bits and pieces while working. From what I did see, Anderson is simply the better all-around back, better at picking up blitzes, pass protection, getting the tough yards, etc. Bell is the home run threat.

Bell may very well be the better RB for FF, but Anderson is very much a part of the offense, and the starter.

I happen to own Bell in 2 leagues, MA in one, so while I probably sound like a MA fan (I am, but not because he's on my team) I'm not totally biased.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Take out those two long runs & Bell still averaged almost 4 yards. Not bad. Take away any RBs' two longest runs in a game & it always hurts their average, LOL.

Anyway, I believe the Tatum Bell era is close to becoming a reality. I won't make a prediction what week it will be, but like I've said all along, no way Mike Anderson holds him off all season. If Bell keeps playing hard & maintains a good attitude, it's just a matter of time, IMO.

Bell is going to become a bigger part of the offense, but we're looking at RBBC here.I didn't see the entire game, but I saw bits and pieces while working. From what I did see, Anderson is simply the better all-around back, better at picking up blitzes, pass protection, getting the tough yards, etc. Bell is the home run threat.

Bell may very well be the better RB for FF, but Anderson is very much a part of the offense, and the starter.

I happen to own Bell in 2 leagues, MA in one, so while I probably sound like a MA fan (I am, but not because he's on my team) I'm not totally biased.

I'm a Tatum owner, but I'm hoping an owner or two are feeling like you guys are this week.I'm perfectly willing to trade him if they're valuing him like a true #1.

Wait...

Didn't most of you make this SAME mistake earlier this year, when MA was listed first on the depth chart...but oh no, Tatum will start..."trust me".

Bah.

 

[Football Jones]

Take out those two long runs & Bell still averaged almost 4 yards. Not bad. Take away any RBs' two longest runs in a game & it always hurts their average, LOL.

Anyway, I believe the Tatum Bell era is close to becoming a reality. I won't make a prediction what week it will be, but like I've said all along, no way Mike Anderson holds him off all season. If Bell keeps playing hard & maintains a good attitude, it's just a matter of time, IMO.

Bell is going to become a bigger part of the offense, but we're looking at RBBC here.I didn't see the entire game, but I saw bits and pieces while working. From what I did see, Anderson is simply the better all-around back, better at picking up blitzes, pass protection, getting the tough yards, etc. Bell is the home run threat.

Bell may very well be the better RB for FF, but Anderson is very much a part of the offense, and the starter.

I happen to own Bell in 2 leagues, MA in one, so while I probably sound like a MA fan (I am, but not because he's on my team) I'm not totally biased.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree on both accounts. I believe Bell is the better RB, & I also believe Bell will eventually be the feature back (no RBBC). That's FF, though. It would be rather boring if we all thought the same thing.

 

[Chaz]

As a Mike Anderson owner (4th or 5th on my depth chart), I'm not happy. He was just starting to build a little name value. Best case scenerio now is that it takes at least 2-3 weeks of him being the MAIN guy before he is worth much on the market.

 

[-OZ-]

Take out those two long runs & Bell still averaged almost 4 yards. Not bad. Take away any RBs' two longest runs in a game & it always hurts their average, LOL.

Anyway, I believe the Tatum Bell era is close to becoming a reality. I won't make a prediction what week it will be, but like I've said all along, no way Mike Anderson holds him off all season. If Bell keeps playing hard & maintains a good attitude, it's just a matter of time, IMO.

Bell is going to become a bigger part of the offense, but we're looking at RBBC here.I didn't see the entire game, but I saw bits and pieces while working. From what I did see, Anderson is simply the better all-around back, better at picking up blitzes, pass protection, getting the tough yards, etc. Bell is the home run threat.

Bell may very well be the better RB for FF, but Anderson is very much a part of the offense, and the starter.

I happen to own Bell in 2 leagues, MA in one, so while I probably sound like a MA fan (I am, but not because he's on my team) I'm not totally biased.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree on both accounts. I believe Bell is the better RB, & I also believe Bell will eventually be the feature back (no RBBC). That's FF, though. It would be rather boring if we all thought the same thing.

Fair enough, and eventually he may be. He just has to learn the nuances of the position first. Maybe I've missed where he learned to block, and if so, I stand corrected. At the worst for Anderson, he'll be the short yardage/GL back. But I really don't see him losing the job this year.

(Looking at it from a FF perspective, I'm probably better off if he does though)

 

[NatronIsMean]

Take out those two long runs & Bell still averaged almost 4 yards. Not bad. Take away any RBs' two longest runs in a game & it always hurts their average, LOL.

Anyway, I believe the Tatum Bell era is close to becoming a reality. I won't make a prediction what week it will be, but like I've said all along, no way Mike Anderson holds him off all season. If Bell keeps playing hard & maintains a good attitude, it's just a matter of time, IMO.

Bell is going to become a bigger part of the offense, but we're looking at RBBC here.I didn't see the entire game, but I saw bits and pieces while working. From what I did see, Anderson is simply the better all-around back, better at picking up blitzes, pass protection, getting the tough yards, etc. Bell is the home run threat.

Bell may very well be the better RB for FF, but Anderson is very much a part of the offense, and the starter.

I happen to own Bell in 2 leagues, MA in one, so while I probably sound like a MA fan (I am, but not because he's on my team) I'm not totally biased.

Solid. It's not like MA had a bad game. Bell had a great game due to the two home runs, but don't forget that last week MA was the only guy to rip a couple 20+ runs (in close number of carries), and the week before he broke a 42 yard TD.

But bigger than all of that unimportant crap, MA is a very, very good and experienced player and knows the system well. My guess is that Shanny will get MA involved in 50% of the backfield action as long as he's healthy.

 

[PC Load Letter]

Take out those two long runs & Bell still averaged almost 4 yards. Not bad. Take away any RBs' two longest runs in a game & it always hurts their average, LOL.

Anyway, I believe the Tatum Bell era is close to becoming a reality. I won't make a prediction what week it will be, but like I've said all along, no way Mike Anderson holds him off all season. If Bell keeps playing hard & maintains a good attitude, it's just a matter of time, IMO.

Bell is going to become a bigger part of the offense, but we're looking at RBBC here.I didn't see the entire game, but I saw bits and pieces while working. From what I did see, Anderson is simply the better all-around back, better at picking up blitzes, pass protection, getting the tough yards, etc. Bell is the home run threat.

Bell may very well be the better RB for FF, but Anderson is very much a part of the offense, and the starter.

I happen to own Bell in 2 leagues, MA in one, so while I probably sound like a MA fan (I am, but not because he's on my team) I'm not totally biased.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree on both accounts. I believe Bell is the better RB, & I also believe Bell will eventually be the feature back (no RBBC). That's FF, though. It would be rather boring if we all thought the same thing.

Fair enough, and eventually he may be. He just has to learn the nuances of the position first. Maybe I've missed where he learned to block, and if so, I stand corrected. At the worst for Anderson, he'll be the short yardage/GL back. But I really don't see him losing the job this year.

(Looking at it from a FF perspective, I'm probably better off if he does though)

Well said. Let me do my 'Bell touter' impression now...:fingersinears: :eyesshuttight:

LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you! Tatum Bell is better! I am so smart for drafting him! LA LA LA LA LA LA!

 

[tommyGunZ]

Did you even read my quote? It was Mike Anderson, not Olandis Gary. Olandis Gary had 0 carries in 2002. If you can't remember that, why I am I going to take your word that Portis wasn't the guy in week 3.

Really? Both Pro Football Reference and Yahoo say that Gary had 37 carries for 147 yards in 2002. You should email them and let them know that Gary didn't have a carry that year, and that their records are incorrect.

Portis out carried by Anderson starting in week 3, period. In week 3, Portis had 108 yards to Anderson's 28. That means he was the guy whether or not he played the first down. Anderson outgained Portis one week, in week 2, that's it.

FYI, and it's quite apparently you need the information, the Denver carries went like this early in 2002:Week 1: Gary 11, Anderson 7, Portis 5

Week 2: Gary 12, Anderson 10, Portis 4

Week 3: Portis 18, Anderson 7, Gary 0 (injured)

Week 4: Portis 8, Gary 5, Anderson 5

Week 5: Portis 20, Gary 4, Anderson 0

Gary was the starter entering the season, and Portis "took over" ~ week 5/6.

EXACTLY what I stated earlier in the thread.

Again, I don't care whether Bell or MA is the starter the rest of the year, but please stop comparing Bell to Portis. It is an insult to the way Portis began his career in Denver. He had over 3099 yards rushing in 29 games. At this point in 21 games Bell has 677 yards. Comparison over.

Please show me where I compared Bell to Portis. I compared the situations in which Portis and Bell emerged, not the actual runners. Shanny was hesistant to give the job to the young home run threat in '02, just as he's been hesistant to give the job to Bell this year. But in the end, talent wins out, as Portis proved in '02 and Bell has proved the last 2 weeks.

Well NFL.com says Gary didn't play:NFL.com 2002 Stats

So now, I don't know what to believe. I guess I am wrong, but at least I know why. Can't even trust NFL.com for NFL stats.

This whole thread started with your quote comparing Bell's situation with Portis' and I still don't see how they compare. As of week 3 in 2002, Portis was the man. Week 4 was an aberration because Denver was down 31-3 at halftime and Griese threw 53 times.

Dude, I clicked on your link, and then clicked the boxscore for week 1, and it shows OGary getting 12 carries week 1. I have no idea what you're talking about.

I will stand by my assertion that Portis was the guy in week 3. I doubt in Denver after week 3 in 2002, there was even a thought of Portis not being the guy. Either way, I still think this is apples to oranges.

Portis taking over in week 3 of his stellar 2 year campaign with Denver is still nothing like Bell maybe, sorta, could be, possibly, no one knows taking over in week 22 of his not so good/not so stellar 2 year campaign.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I followed the situation in 2002 VERY closely, as I believed that Gary was talented enough to keep the job once he was named the starter in the preseason. I was wrong, Portis ripped the job away from Olandis.I think the same thing is happening right now - Anderson is the veteran who's proven that he can get it done, but Bell is the Ferrari in the garage that can go 0-80 in 4 seconds that at some point becomes too valuable not to drive.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Well said. Let me do my 'Bell touter' impression now...

:fingersinears: :eyesshuttight:

LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you! Tatum Bell is better! I am so smart for drafting him! LA LA LA LA LA LA!

Solid. Here's my "Bell touter" impression:

Den 	 Rush 	 Yds 	 Avg 	 Lng 	 TD 	  T. Bell  12  127  10.6  55  2  0  M. Anderson  11  34  3.1  9

 

[PC Load Letter]

Anderson is the veteran who's proven that he can get it done, but Bell is the Ferrari in the garage that can go 0-80 in 4 seconds that at some point becomes too valuable not to drive.

I can only hope same thing happens that happened with Cameron Frye's Ferrari.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Anderson is the veteran who's proven that he can get it done, but Bell is the Ferrari in the garage that can go 0-80 in 4 seconds that at some point becomes too valuable not to drive.

I can only hope same thing happens that happened with Cameron Frye's Ferrari.

Great movie- and last I checked, there's a heck of a lot to the RB position that doesn't require a ferrari, like punching it in, blocking, etc. Sometimes you need torque, not top speed. Unfortunately, Bell is less like Portis in that regard; he's not the ideal all-around back. Just like the ferrari isn't a do-everything car.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Take out those two long runs & Bell still averaged almost 4 yards. Not bad. Take away any RBs' two longest runs in a game & it always hurts their average, LOL.

Anyway, I believe the Tatum Bell era is close to becoming a reality. I won't make a prediction what week it will be, but like I've said all along, no way Mike Anderson holds him off all season. If Bell keeps playing hard & maintains a good attitude, it's just a matter of time, IMO.

Bell is going to become a bigger part of the offense, but we're looking at RBBC here.I didn't see the entire game, but I saw bits and pieces while working. From what I did see, Anderson is simply the better all-around back, better at picking up blitzes, pass protection, getting the tough yards, etc. Bell is the home run threat.

Bell may very well be the better RB for FF, but Anderson is very much a part of the offense, and the starter.

I happen to own Bell in 2 leagues, MA in one, so while I probably sound like a MA fan (I am, but not because he's on my team) I'm not totally biased.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree on both accounts. I believe Bell is the better RB, & I also believe Bell will eventually be the feature back (no RBBC). That's FF, though. It would be rather boring if we all thought the same thing.

Fair enough, and eventually he may be. He just has to learn the nuances of the position first. Maybe I've missed where he learned to block, and if so, I stand corrected. At the worst for Anderson, he'll be the short yardage/GL back. But I really don't see him losing the job this year.

(Looking at it from a FF perspective, I'm probably better off if he does though)

Well said. Let me do my 'Bell touter' impression now...:fingersinears: :eyesshuttight:

LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you! Tatum Bell is better! I am so smart for drafting him! LA LA LA LA LA LA!

Unless you started Bell, or can trade him to one of these guys this week, this game was useless to you.Nothing changes in Denver. Bell was getting 40% of the carries before this game, and he'll get 40% of the carries after this gaem.

 

[Raiders Fan]

This is more of a nightmare currently then before. At least before I had Anderson and Bell sitting.. Anderson got most of the carries.. Now that it's almost 50/50 neither are worth starting currently.. Now I have to ride TJ a few more weeks and hope this situation plays out or if Priest gets hurt.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

I can't believe this! Bell is clearly going to be the man this season. He's been stealing MA's touches for a few weeks now and producing with greater results. He's a home run threat that Anderson is not. I think Shanahan should be fired if he doesn't relegate MA to change of pace work and roll with bell. Bell's been great when given the opportunity.

 

[Riffraff]

Query note: Bell ran well in a rainy game, perhaps he gave them the best chance to win this week's game?The passing game was non-existent for the Broncos this week.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Query note:

Bell ran well in a rainy game, perhaps he gave them the best chance to win this week's game?

The passing game was non-existent for the Broncos this week.

Remember Lincoln Coleman?

 

[Riffraff]

Remember Lincoln Coleman?

Nope.But that may be the point of the question. LOL

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Remember Lincoln Coleman?

Nope.But that may be the point of the question. LOL

More or less yeah.Remember that snow game the Cowboys played in like 1992 or 1993? The one when Leon Lett chased after the blocked FG and let the other team score a TD for the win?

Lincoln Coleman filled in for a very ineffective Emmitt Smith that day. Coleman looked like a beast out there on the snow. Never to be heard from again after that game.

 

[Bricktown Boy]

I have both and really hope Tatum takes over. I played MA week one & this week. 3-2 and both losses due to MA.

 

[Floyd The Barber]

Interesting. None of the pimps here mention the reasons Anderson has been starting over Bell all along: 1) Ball security2) Pass protection blocking, and 3) The ability to consistently gain positive yardage on a per carry basis.My guess is as long as those are issues, Tater will at best be a time share.

 

[Futeki]

Interesting.  None of the pimps here mention the reasons Anderson has been starting over Bell all along: 

1) Ball security

2) Pass protection blocking, and 3) The ability to consistently gain positive yardage on a per carry basis.

My guess is as long as those are issues, Tater will at best be a time share.

Nice job bringing everything back into focus.

 

[Doug Drinen]

My guess is as long as those are issues, Tater will at best be a time share.

The only thing that is clear right now is that Anderson is at best a time share.

 

[Sabertooth]

How is this clear? Shanahan hasn't said this has he? If I am not mistaken, the Broncos are 4-1 with Anderson starting and the only loss was the game he missed significant time in. While Tatum appears to have used his speed to his advantage in the rain, I really don't see this changing things a whole lot. FWIW.

 

[P Boy]

Folks, I believe we have arrived at a Shanahan intentional RBBC for the first time since he has been a HC in DEN.Sucks for any DEN RB owners, but it sure makes a nice combo for DEN.I'll be interested to hear SSOG's commentary on the issue.

 

[Doug Drinen]

How is this clear? Shanahan hasn't said this has he?

He's said it with his actions.First three weeks: Bell was weak. Then he got hurt. Then Anderson started playing well. Overall, Anderson outplayed Bell in the first three weeks.

Week four: Bell's workload increases. Why? Anderson outplays Bell again.

Week five: Bell's workload increases again (relative to Anderson). Why?

Isn't it obvious that Shanny is going to keep giving Bell chances? Even when Anderson is doing fine and Bell is not, Bell continues to get a bigger and bigger percentage of the workload. And if Bell starts playing well, like he did yesterday...

 

[Banger]

How is this clear?  Shanahan hasn't said this has he?

He's said it with his actions.First three weeks: Bell was weak. Then he got hurt. Then Anderson started playing well. Overall, Anderson outplayed Bell in the first three weeks.

Week four: Bell's workload increases. Why? Anderson outplays Bell again.

Week five: Bell's workload increases again (relative to Anderson). Why?

Isn't it obvious that Shanny is going to keep giving Bell chances? Even when Anderson is doing fine and Bell is not, Bell continues to get a bigger and bigger percentage of the workload. And if Bell starts playing well, like he did yesterday...

Good point. At the end of the day it all circles back to the fact that Tatum has the ability to take it to house on any play and has the talent that MA does not. MA will have a role on the offense and will probably continue to be used as a battering ram. My fear is that this will make MA and Bell unstartable for the next few weeks (Bell wasn't a start anyway) until this RBBC sorts itself out, if it does.....

 

[Jason Wood]

How is this clear?  Shanahan hasn't said this has he?

He's said it with his actions.First three weeks: Bell was weak. Then he got hurt. Then Anderson started playing well. Overall, Anderson outplayed Bell in the first three weeks.

Week four: Bell's workload increases. Why? Anderson outplays Bell again.

Week five: Bell's workload increases again (relative to Anderson). Why?

Isn't it obvious that Shanny is going to keep giving Bell chances? Even when Anderson is doing fine and Bell is not, Bell continues to get a bigger and bigger percentage of the workload. And if Bell starts playing well, like he did yesterday...

Nothing will lure Doc into the ring quicker than an Ok. State alumnus!

 

[Raiders Fan]

How is this clear?  Shanahan hasn't said this has he?

He's said it with his actions.First three weeks: Bell was weak. Then he got hurt. Then Anderson started playing well. Overall, Anderson outplayed Bell in the first three weeks.

Week four: Bell's workload increases. Why? Anderson outplays Bell again.

Week five: Bell's workload increases again (relative to Anderson). Why?

Isn't it obvious that Shanny is going to keep giving Bell chances? Even when Anderson is doing fine and Bell is not, Bell continues to get a bigger and bigger percentage of the workload. And if Bell starts playing well, like he did yesterday...

Good point. At the end of the day it all circles back to the fact that Tatum has the ability to take it to house on any play and has the talent that MA does not. MA will have a role on the offense and will probably continue to be used as a battering ram. My fear is that this will make MA and Bell unstartable for the next few weeks (Bell wasn't a start anyway) until this RBBC sorts itself out, if it does.....

Now that kills one of my backups.. Having Anderson and Bell thats 2 roster spots dead... It hurt me this week I lost by a few points having Anderson in the lineup and Bell on the bench during Jordan's bye week.. I guess I will be starting Jordan and TJ for the next few weeks. Hopefully this works its way out..

 

[hardcoredx]

If Bell continues to get carries and I forsee atleast 10 more tds and maybe a 1000 or so yards. Does anyone know if the announcers were saying MA told them "it's only a question of time when Bell becomes a star"?

 

[Sabertooth]

I have MA on two teams. I don't have Bell, I made a greivous mistake in not picking him up a few weeks back that could cost me dearly. I am going to scramble to find a back to fill in for me during the next few weeks while I see how this shakes out. I have Stephen Davis to start over him in the one league and FWP and Shipp in another. I hope this shakes it self out one way or the other. Bell does appear to be getting more touches relative to Mike. I hope this changes but I am not holding my breath. We shall see. This week should pretty much put this argument to bed and help end a lot of speculation. Truth is, Tatum equaled Mike Anderson this week. We are smack dab in the middle of a RBBC situation.

 

[Banger]

I have MA on two teams. I don't have Bell, I made a greivous mistake in not picking him up a few weeks back that could cost me dearly. I am going to scramble to find a back to fill in for me during the next few weeks while I see how this shakes out. I have Stephen Davis to start over him in the one league and FWP and Shipp in another. I hope this shakes it self out one way or the other.

Bell does appear to be getting more touches relative to Mike. I hope this changes but I am not holding my breath. We shall see. This week should pretty much put this argument to bed and help end a lot of speculation. Truth is, Tatum equaled Mike Anderson this week. We are smack dab in the middle of a RBBC situation.

actually Bell bested MA by quite a wide margin this week. That being said though I have no better idea of how this backfield is going to shakeout going forward. I think Bell is definitely a better runner (and always have) but I don't watch the games closely enough to know if he's doing the "other things" to warrant getting a larger piece of the pie. I think pass blocking has been one of his biggest problems throughout the pre and regular season and don't know if he's improved on that, or if he's even given a chance in those situations. If he doesn't improve in that aspect of the game I seriously can't see him getting much more time than he's gotten the last 2 games.

 

[Sabertooth]

I have MA on two teams.  I don't have Bell, I made a greivous mistake in not picking him up a few weeks back that could cost me dearly.  I am going to scramble to find a back to fill in for me during the next few weeks while I see how this shakes out.  I have Stephen Davis to start over him in the one league and FWP and Shipp in another.  I hope this shakes it self out one way or the other. 

Bell does appear to be getting more touches relative to Mike.  I hope this changes but I am not holding my breath.  We shall see.  This week should pretty much put this argument to bed and help end a lot of speculation.  Truth is, Tatum equaled Mike Anderson this week.  We are smack dab in the middle of a RBBC situation.

actually Bell bested MA by quite a wide margin this week. That being said though I have no better idea of how this backfield is going to shakeout going forward. I think Bell is definitely a better runner (and always have) but I don't watch the games closely enough to know if he's doing the "other things" to warrant getting a larger piece of the pie. I think pass blocking has been one of his biggest problems throughout the pre and regular season and don't know if he's improved on that, or if he's even given a chance in those situations. If he doesn't improve in that aspect of the game I seriously can't see him getting much more time than he's gotten the last 2 games.

I meant equalled in terms of touches. Obviously in performance with those touches, Bell won by a wide margin. Or this thread would be bumped for mocking and not for discussion.

 

[Banger]

I have MA on two teams.  I don't have Bell, I made a greivous mistake in not picking him up a few weeks back that could cost me dearly.  I am going to scramble to find a back to fill in for me during the next few weeks while I see how this shakes out.  I have Stephen Davis to start over him in the one league and FWP and Shipp in another.  I hope this shakes it self out one way or the other. 

Bell does appear to be getting more touches relative to Mike.  I hope this changes but I am not holding my breath.  We shall see.  This week should pretty much put this argument to bed and help end a lot of speculation.  Truth is, Tatum equaled Mike Anderson this week.  We are smack dab in the middle of a RBBC situation.

actually Bell bested MA by quite a wide margin this week. That being said though I have no better idea of how this backfield is going to shakeout going forward. I think Bell is definitely a better runner (and always have) but I don't watch the games closely enough to know if he's doing the "other things" to warrant getting a larger piece of the pie. I think pass blocking has been one of his biggest problems throughout the pre and regular season and don't know if he's improved on that, or if he's even given a chance in those situations. If he doesn't improve in that aspect of the game I seriously can't see him getting much more time than he's gotten the last 2 games.

I meant equalled in terms of touches. Obviously in performance with those touches, Bell won by a wide margin. Or this thread would be bumped for mocking and not for discussion.

gotcha, read too quickly....

 

[j3r3m3y]

Folks, I believe we have arrived at a Shanahan intentional RBBC for the first time since he has been a HC in DEN.

Sucks for any DEN RB owners, but it sure makes a nice combo for DEN.

I'll be interested to hear SSOG's commentary on the issue.

So would I, perhaps he is busy changing his signature.But seriously, it is going to take some serious spin doctoring to make a case for Anderson being "the man" in Denver still and a Stud FF RB to boot, but I am sure SSOG will try.

My guess "Shannaha always mixes it up in the rain" or something along those lines.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Indeed, this sucks. RBBC is THE WORST. T Bell went several rounds before I grabbed MA in my league, and my hope was that the owner would drop him in desperation (he already dropped Benson!). Still, I don't think that Bell will ever get much greater than 50% of the carries for Denver, though he's definitely locked in for 40% or greater right now. The good thing is that T Jones sounds like he'll get back in there for the Bears and won't miss extended time.All this along with benching Curtis and Glenn and McNabb's awful day = a bad loss for me this week.... Ugh.

 

[b1leper]

Part of the argument against Bell all along has been that he is not a good short yardage back (see Miami game). The fact that his first carry and long TD run game on 4th and 1 is important. Look for his role to continue to increase as Shanny gains more trust.

 

[Banger]

Folks, I believe we have arrived at a Shanahan intentional RBBC for the first time since he has been a HC in DEN.

Sucks for any DEN RB owners, but it sure makes a nice combo for DEN.

I'll be interested to hear SSOG's commentary on the issue.

So would I, perhaps he is busy changing his signature.But seriously, it is going to take some serious spin doctoring to make a case for Anderson being "the man" in Denver still and a Stud FF RB to boot, but I am sure SSOG will try.

My guess "Shannaha always mixes it up in the rain" or something along those lines.

they ran a 3-4 vs. MA and 4-3 vs. Bell....

 

[NatronIsMean]

Folks, I believe we have arrived at a Shanahan intentional RBBC for the first time since he has been a HC in DEN.

Sucks for any DEN RB owners, but it sure makes a nice combo for DEN.

I'll be interested to hear SSOG's commentary on the issue.

So would I, perhaps he is busy changing his signature.But seriously, it is going to take some serious spin doctoring to make a case for Anderson being "the man" in Denver still and a Stud FF RB to boot, but I am sure SSOG will try.

My guess "Shannaha always mixes it up in the rain" or something along those lines.

they ran a 3-4 vs. MA and 4-3 vs. Bell....

Are you saying that WAS changed their defensive front between a 3-4 and 4-3 based on whether MA or Bell was the back? Source for that?!I just find that hard to believe - That's a drastic change to make for 1 player. And IF they did that, the results indicate that the strategy was an unmitigated disaster against Bell.