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Tatum Bell: he's baaaaaaaaaCK.... (1 Viewer)
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NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Ah - thanks for the assist
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
I was curious about this. As stated many times here, Bell is by far the best back on a sweep or outside play. I didn't see the game, but I'm curious about how Bell did when given inside running plays.
kupcho1
Footballguy
He got the extra yard much of the time. The Redskins are a tough run defense, but Bell exploited some opportunities. (I didn't see the 2nd TD live, I was listening to the radio for that one, so I can't say how he picked it up)Bell looked a little better than Anderson on the up-the-gut runs that I saw. Still not sure how he compares against Anderson in the blitz pickup.
I think it will be RBBC and Shanahan will likely favor whoever is working best that day. Better for the Broncos, but not so good for us.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Could be. One factor is that as long as Bell is decent at the inside runs, he'll be successful BECAUSE of his outside running ability. As was shown earlier, aside from the two home runs for Bell (I know you have to include them, but assuming for a moment that they were both outside runs), Anderson and Bell performed similar statistically - can't give either the advantage. That could be a factor on the eventual % split of carries.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Do you notice the irony in what you said?!
They performed similarly THIS week with the exception of the 2 T Bell runs! MA had 3 carries for 39 yards that week, which helped accentuate his better production.Overall last week - MA: 26-142 / TB: 16-66. So, those 3 carries weren't the only difference.
As I stated earlier in this thread:
We'll see what happens moving forward, but lets not qualify MA's outburst late last week unless we're going to qualify T Bell's two big runs this week--
Football Jones
Footballguy
I can't remember which announcer said it, but one of them did.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
As the MA owner in my league I am trying to figure out how I can pitch him to the TB owner because I want nothing to do with the Denver RB situation.
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NatronIsMean
Footballguy
To play devil's advocate, Anderson had several good runs if you consider carries of 8, 8, 9, and 6 good carries. Outside of the 2 big carries, Anderson and Bell had equal days. All things considered, Bell had a FAR better day, but that's because of 2 runs. Don't delude yourself that MA looked awful.
Banger
Footballguy
Snippet from Denver Post.....Keeping with the 2005 theme of "running back by feel," second-year running back Tatum Bell came off the bench and showed the typical Denver tailback is indeed good enough. Bell, by the way, was selected with a 2004 second-round pick Denver acquired along with Champ Bailey in exchange for Portis. Bell, who played behind starter Mike Anderson and Ron Dayne in practice last week, had touchdown runs of 34 and 55 yards to give Denver the edge on a rainy, sloppy field where points were at a premium. Bell, who has been frustrated this season because he has been unable to break through as the primary back, beat the flu and the Redskins as he finished with a game-high 127 yards rushing on 12 carries. Portis finished with 103 yards on 20 carries, his longest for 21 yards. Bell was expected by many to overtake veteran Mike Anderson as the No. 1 tailback during training camp. Sunday, he showed he has a starter's ability and desire. "The coaches know what I can do," said Bell, who has been battling the flu since Friday. "I just have to keep pushing Mike Anderson and wait on my chance. I need to work on being more consistent in practice. Blocking, running, practice. Just (be) more consistent. Mike is still the starter; obviously he's doing something I'm not doing. I just have to keep working." Bell made it clear, though, that he has bigger designs. "I didn't want to be just a one-game wonder," he said. "I want to be the starter." But it's starting to look like being the starting tailback in Denver this season is not what is important. Anderson - who ran for 34 yards on 11 carries against a tough Redskins defense - will get the first carries, but there will be enough to go around. In the past, coach Mike Shanahan would try to find one back and stick with him. Last year, it wasn't until the fifth game that Reuben Droughns, since traded to Cleveland, became the starting tailback. He was the lead horse until he wore down late in the season. During the Broncos' four-game winning streak this season, the running game has played a major role. Against San Diego, it was Dayne who carried the load, helping Denver rally in the fourth quarter. He did not have a carry Sunday. Against Kansas City and Jacksonville, it was Anderson who starred. Sunday, it was Bell's turn. "I do think it goes by feel," Dayne said. "You have to stand on the sideline and be ready. You don't know when your number is going to get called in this offense." Shanahan knows the new system keeps his players fresh and hungry. Bell showed that Sunday. "When he had his opportunities he took advantage of them," Shanahan said. "We knew he had those type of abilities. It was good to see him do well."
To be clear I am not saying Anderson looked awful. But given the same opportunity Bell ended up with those two big plays this week and Anderson didn't. Next week it might be the opposite. They both look equal to me at this point, and that is why I forsee them sharring carries.Here is my bold prediction: They get roughly a 50/50 split in carries until
a) injury
b) one of them fumbles twice in a game
or
c) one of them gives up a key fumble (in the redzone or with the game on the line).
Just my $.02
The_Hunchback
Footballguy
One would almost think this was a Larry Johnson thread after the first week of the season. I understand there are some differences but the thought is exactly the same. He is great one game out of the first 5 and now everyone is ready to anoint him the chosen one.GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD 09/11 @MIA L 10-34 No 13 47 3.6 30 0 1 13 13.0 13 0 1 0 0 0 09/18 SD W 20-17 No 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 09/26 KC W 30-10 No 5 47 9.4 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 October Rushing Receiving Fumbles GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD 10/02 @JAC W 20-7 No 15 60 4.0 12 0 1 6 6.0 6 0 0 0 0 0 10/09 WAS W 21-19 No 12 127 10.6 55 2 1 5 5.0 5 0 0 0 0 0 Those numbers don't make me want to start him unless I need bye week filler and he is the best choice I have.
I have said it many times this year, but this is the key.Bell has always been the better runner but could not pick up the blitz nor block well.
If you want to know when Bell takes over the starting position watch him when he is in on pass plays. If he learns to read the D and pick up blitzes well he will take the job. It is the one thing he can't do as well as Anderson, but it looks like shanny is having more faith in him.
Bell had two good runs yesterday, and everyone is saying that Bell the man. If I remember correctly everyone was saying the same thing when MA broke a long one in the pre season game and the Monday night game two weeks ago. We are looking at a RBBC here nothing more nothing less. Next week MA will have a good game and the thread will say Mike Anderson is BAAAAAACK!!!!!!
Banger
Footballguy
Agreed. Posted this in another thread after last weeks game...In the 4th Bell gets the 1st series and gains 1, 2, 0 and 5 (total 4-8). MA gets the next series and runs for 6, 11, and 22 (3-38). This was the difference between the two and up to that point they were nearly neck and yardage wise. MA ended the 4th with 7-49 and Bell had 7-15. Don't be fooled MA does not have a strangle hold on this job. He busted off a nice series that made the #'s look better but up until that point (midway through the forth) Bell had 13-56 and MA had 16-60.....Do you notice the irony in what you said?!
Overall last week - MA: 26-142 / TB: 16-66. So, those 3 carries weren't the only difference.
As I stated earlier in this thread:
We'll see what happens moving forward, but lets not qualify MA's outburst late last week unless we're going to qualify T Bell's two big runs this week--
My point was the Bell was right there with MA last week and MA came out ahead, this week they were relatively neck and neck and Bell came out ahead. Wouldn't be surprised if this continued for the next few weeks....
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
I fully agree --
Banger
Footballguy
From the Rocky Mountain News....Krieger: Bell taking another run at starting jobOctober 10, 2005If ever there was a moment for Tatum Bell to make public his private determination to be the Broncos' starting tailback, this was it. After all, his 34-yard touchdown scamper on fourth down in the first quarter was the longest of his NFL career, a record he broke two quarters later with a 55-yard breakaway that provided the narrow margin of victory. So when I asked him afterward if he wanted Mike Anderson's job, he didn't flinch. "Yeah, that's my goal," he said. "I want to be the starter and I want to hold on to it. I don't want to be just a one-game wonder." This will have to pass for controversy on a team where, let's face it, all you had to do was look across the field at the other No. 26 to see where talking too much can get you. Let's just say the trade of Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey and the second-round draft pick that became Bell looks pretty good when the second-round pick outplays Portis all by himself on a day Bailey sits out. But Bell, clearly, wants the sort of screen time Portis used to get here. When I mentioned this to Anderson, the veteran smiled. "I know he do," Anderson said. "Because the more he push, the more I'm going to push. So it's friendly competition, but I'm not looking over my shoulder. I can't be looking over my shoulder." After Sunday, I suggested, he might have to push a little harder to hold onto the starting job. "Hey, it's no problem with that," Anderson said, smiling again. "I'm very happy for him. Seriously. Very happy for him. I mean, couldn't have been a better time for him to step up and come through than (Sunday)." At 32, Anderson sees the competition somewhat differently. "It's not about who's out there," he said. "It's about getting it done. That's how we've been approaching this thing since training camp. Just whoever's out there, at fullback or tailback, get it done, and the rest of the guys on the side cheering for him. That's all that matters to us." Still, steady and reliable as Anderson is, he does not have the moves of Bell, eight years his junior. Ever since Quentin Griffin lost the starting job early last season, the door has been open for Bell. You can almost see Mike Shanahan urging him to walk through. "We knew he had that type of ability, but he's been kind of hampered by injuries," Shanahan said. "He hasn't been able to step up in a full-time role. But when he did get his opportunities (Sunday), he took advantage of it." Despite the Broncos' rosy record so far, this is more than an academic discussion. On a day when the passing game was nearly nonexistent, playmaking was at a premium. Bell was the Broncos' lone playmaker on offense. Given their current offensive limitations, can the Broncos afford to leave him an understudy? "Right from the beginning of training camp and all throughout the off-season Mike was going with the No. 1s from the get-go," Bell said. "So I kind of put that in my head that I need to work harder and harder to keep pushing him. "But he's been working even harder. And obviously, he was doing something that I wasn't doing. And still to (Sunday) he's doing something I'm not doing because he's still the starter. So I've just got to keep waiting my time. When I get the chance to start, I've just got to keep on pushing forward and not looking backwards." Including Ron Dayne, the Broncos have used three tailbacks this season, but it looked like it narrowed to a two-man battle Sunday. Here's the tote board: Through five games, Anderson has 301 yards on 73 carries, a perfectly respectable 4.1-yards-per-carry average. Bell has 281 yards on 45 carries, a 6.2-yard average that dwarfs even the remarkable averages Portis managed in his two seasons as the Broncos' No. 26. This makes the battle seem like no contest, except that playing tailback for the Broncos entails more than just running the ball. "From my end, I think I've just got to work on being more consistent in practice," Bell said. "I've been catching the ball better, I've been making the right reads and cuts in practice and picking up the blitz. I just need to work on doing it more consistently every day." There's little doubt that Shanahan would like Bell to win the job. Ever since Portis was traded, the Broncos have been looking for a playmaker. The new No. 26 just might be it. Sunday, he launched his campaign.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
A couple of takeaways and I own MA in 2 leagues and Bell in 3 leagues:#1 Tatum Bell was in the game in a couple of key short yardage situations -- two that I remember off the top of my head - 4th and 1 and 3rd and short. He converted on both. Yes, they were designed plays to the outside which by the way were the same types of runs that Shanny would have called for Portis.
#2 Bell looked adequate yesterday at pass blocking. I think that this will grade out positively when the staff looks at the films.
#3 The "2 good runs" line is funny. MA would not have scored on either of Bell's long gains yesterday, while Bell would have matched MA's results on the 93-yard preseason run vs. the Colts
#4 There will always be a roll for MA, but just like Brian Westbrook has been a valid fantasy starter over the past few years even when sharing some reps with others, Tatum Bell has now become the same type of asset.
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
Although I wish I had Tatum yesterday, I'm glad I steered VERY clear of this situation this year.
Brewdude
Footballguy
I only read the last few pages, so this may have already been mentioned...MA would not have made the TD runs TB did Sunday--he doesn't have the speed. It those two runs are not broken, then the Broncos probably lose the game.Shannahan isn't concerned with stats, he's concerned about wins and will play the player who gives him the best chance to win. Yesterday, TB got a sticker by his name for the "win the game" category. Don't fool yourself into thinking his impact on the game will not be noted by the coaching staff and factor into future decisions.So far, both MA and TB have been given shots, here's the stats to date.
TB has 2 ypc more than MA...running behind the same o-line. How could the coaches not start giving him the ball more?FTR, I own Bell in one 4-man keeper league and am a Bronco fan. I want Bell in there because he can break any run to win the game for the Broncos--he's riding the pine behind TJones, Ports, and JJones on my FF team. Perhaps he could break into the start there, but I don't need him to.
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NAME G RSH YD Y/R TD TARG REC YD Y/R TD FPT Mike Anderson 5 73 301 4.1 1 9 8 84 10.5 0 44.5 Tatum Bell 5 45 281 6.2 2 8 3 24 8.0 0 42.5
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
No, I said this particular quote makes him sound like an idiot. I don't know if he actually is an idiot.So you're saying if someone speaks ebonics they are an idiot? Thats messed up dude.Wow. I can't believe they didn't clean that up for him. That's borderline ebonics and makes Anderson sound like an idiot.
Good articles though. Thanks for posting.
Give me a couple million dollars a year to play a game.I wont give a damn if some average joe posts on a forum that I sound like an idiot from his cubicle.No, I said this particular quote makes him sound like an idiot. I don't know if he actually is an idiot.So you're saying if someone speaks ebonics they are an idiot? Thats messed up dude.
Good articles though. Thanks for posting.
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
And I wouldn't expect you to care. Why would you? Unless you were looking for a career in broadcasting after you retire. Even then, a command of the language doesn't seem to be a requirement these days.Give me a couple million dollars a year to play a game.I wont give a damn if some average joe posts on a forum that I sound like an idiot from his cubicle.No, I said this particular quote makes him sound like an idiot. I don't know if he actually is an idiot.So you're saying if someone speaks ebonics they are an idiot? Thats messed up dude.
Good articles though. Thanks for posting.
Sweeper
Footballguy
he is/was back for this week If Denver has taught you anything, sespecially with regard to their RB's ... it is that Week to week .... everything could change! and next week Anyone can have "the big game" If I can offer you one peice of advice ... I would slow down before jumping on the bandwagon and putting the destiny of all of my teams into the hands of a RB on a RBBC team.
In his social group I am sure "I know he do" is perfectly acceptable everyday language. You unwittingly imply that anyone who engages in casual language "sounds like an idiot". You do realize that the Brits think we all sound like idiots when we speak our dialect of their language right?Back on topic, Bell and Anderson = RBBC
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
You can put whatever politically correct spin on it that you want, but people who regularly fracture the english language are regarded by many as idiots. If you don't want people to regard you that way, try working on your communication skills. There is no excuse for using the english language that poorly. 
Fixed it for ya!You can put whatever politically correct spin on it that you want, but people who regularly fracture the english language are regarded by [strikethrough]many[/strikethrough] the ignorant and intolorant as idiots. If you don't want people to regard you that way, try working on your communication skills. There is no excuse for using the english language that poorly.
ShaqAttaq
Morally Ambiguous
don't spell out [strikethough] just use the s and /sFixed it for ya!You can put whatever politically correct spin on it that you want, but people who regularly fracture the english language are regarded by many the ignorant and intolorant as idiots. If you don't want people to regard you that way, try working on your communication skills. There is no excuse for using the english language that poorly.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Maybe yes, maybe no, but one thing is for certain, anyone who speaks Ebonics sounds like an idiot.By the way, you know why there are only 49 beauty contestants at the Miss Ebonics beauty pageant?So you're saying if someone speaks ebonics they are an idiot? Thats messed up dude.
Good articles though. Thanks for posting.
No one wanted to be Miss Idaho.
Heh, thanks for the tip.don't spell out [strikethough] just use the s and /sFixed it for ya!You can put whatever politically correct spin on it that you want, but people who regularly fracture the english language are regarded by many the ignorant and intolorant as idiots. If you don't want people to regard you that way, try working on your communication skills. There is no excuse for using the english language that poorly.
Sweeper
Footballguy
Maybe yes, maybe no, but one thing is for certain, anyone who speaks Ebonics sounds like an idiot.By the way, you know why there are only 49 beauty contestants at the Miss Ebonics beauty pageant?So you're saying if someone speaks ebonics they are an idiot? Thats messed up dude.
Good articles though. Thanks for posting.
No one wanted to be Miss Idaho.
Sweeper
Footballguy
Week after week I read the transcrips of NFL player interviews and they are littered with: "Well ... Like, you know", Like ...., "ya know its ... you know"On a mid week episode of sports center where they should clips from 10 locker room interviews I hear "you know" 5-6-7 times when I said that I was going to try to count how many times it is used. Between the "like" and the "you know" I quickly became unable to keep up with it all.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Bell will be the better back for the rest of the season because he has a better grasp of the English language.
Exile
Footballguy
Not that a discussion of the English language isn't interesting, but...Has Shanahan said ANYTHING about this situation other than the one quote in the article above? I have to assume SOME reporter asked him about the RB situation after the game. Did he just say "No comment" or what?Denver homers?
