TE Antonio Gates: Dynasty value? (2 Viewers)

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Gates came into the season as a top-3 TE at 31 years old, but his foot issues have owners giving up-- even in dynasty leagues. AFAIK, 31 isn't old for a TE, and despite his foot issues, he's still at or near stud status in dynasty leagues even though this season may be crap.

Is he a buy low, or a hold at this point?

 

[NeverEnough]

He is a hold. I own him & cannot get anything for him

 

[FantasyTrader]

I don't think he's a Buy Low. Gates is one of those studs that's caught in no man's land right now. Speaking strictly for myself as a dynasty owner I can honestly say that I wouldn't trade him away right now for anything appreciably lower than I would have back in June.

The problem for the buy low crowd is that the TE position runs so deep right now that it's highly likely the Gates owner isn't a motivated seller. In my situation, I also have Pettigrew with Fred Davis chilling on Taxi so I'm fine with Gates sitting out for a stretch. I would imagine most Gates owners are in a similar situation with the likes of Daniels, Marcedes, Olsen, etc. (or better)

Knowing what I know about a healthy Gates, he's still worth a lot more to me than anyone would reasonably pay at this point.

 

[Donsmith753]

Just for reference I actually acquired Gates in a dynasty recently. I didn't go after him in this case but the other owner wanted Starks from me and we build from there.

At the time (just after week 1) I was delighted with the trade as I thought Gates would be good for consistent (if not stud) production at the TE position. Safe to say so far I've been pretty disappointed. I still think he can offer big weeks but the problem is going to be working out when. You really need to keep two good fantasy options if you have gates and that's key as it's sure to take away from other positions.

 

[jp81976]

Just for reference I actually acquired Gates in a dynasty recently. I didn't go after him in this case but the other owner wanted Starks from me and we build from there.At the time (just after week 1) I was delighted with the trade as I thought Gates would be good for consistent (if not stud) production at the TE position. Safe to say so far I've been pretty disappointed. I still think he can offer big weeks but the problem is going to be working out when. You really need to keep two good fantasy options if you have gates and that's key as it's sure to take away from other positions.

So then what is his dynasty value right now?? Do we consider him lower than Starks now?

 

[Donsmith753]

Just for reference I actually acquired Gates in a dynasty recently. I didn't go after him in this case but the other owner wanted Starks from me and we build from there.At the time (just after week 1) I was delighted with the trade as I thought Gates would be good for consistent (if not stud) production at the TE position. Safe to say so far I've been pretty disappointed. I still think he can offer big weeks but the problem is going to be working out when. You really need to keep two good fantasy options if you have gates and that's key as it's sure to take away from other positions.

So then what is his dynasty value right now?? Do we consider him lower than Starks now?

Apologies, it wasn't a straight swap so I wouldn't take that deal as reference. I was just trying to point out I wasn't trying to trade for him (i.e. I don't view him as a buy low).I've just pulled up the most recent dynasty TE rankings and adjusted them slightly. Personally I see him round about here:FinleyGronkowskiDavisWittenGrahamHernandezKellerGatesI'd put all those guys above him on a combination of age/health. As I said if you've got someone else strong he's still a great player to have, if he goes you know he's usually good for a strong performance (NE aside). The issue is having to keep two strong TE's just because at any given time he could become useless for a few weeks.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Just for reference I actually acquired Gates in a dynasty recently. I didn't go after him in this case but the other owner wanted Starks from me and we build from there.At the time (just after week 1) I was delighted with the trade as I thought Gates would be good for consistent (if not stud) production at the TE position. Safe to say so far I've been pretty disappointed. I still think he can offer big weeks but the problem is going to be working out when. You really need to keep two good fantasy options if you have gates and that's key as it's sure to take away from other positions.

So then what is his dynasty value right now?? Do we consider him lower than Starks now?

I think it depends on the owner. The Gates owner in our league is taking offers for him and wants a "star" RB or WR, meaning Top 10-15.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm waiting for a big game, then trying like hell to sell. I have him and Owen Daniels right now.

 

[jp81976]

See the trouble I've had is figuring out TE value anyway. Best TEs only get around 8 points per game...or the equivalent of a good backup RB. I have Chris Cooley and Daniel Fells right now and I'm 3-0...so they aren't hurting me so far...

While I'm trying like heck to upgrade, no way I'd be willing to deal more than a 2nd rounder and a top backup like Michael Bush.

 

[finito]

See the trouble I've had is figuring out TE value anyway. Best TEs only get around 8 points per game...or the equivalent of a good backup RB. I have Chris Cooley and Daniel Fells right now and I'm 3-0...so they aren't hurting me so far...While I'm trying like heck to upgrade, no way I'd be willing to deal more than a 2nd rounder and a top backup like Michael Bush.

I don't see how you're trying that hard to upgrade if that's all you're willing to give.

 

[Shutout]

I guess the big question is how did this go from something that was supposed to heal during the offseason to something that has flared up in the first two weeks? Would you not think that if it can't be resolved during months of non-game time, that it will be difficult to get fixed in-season?

That makes me think its a "pay with discomfort" type situation and that is what it was last year and he ultimately shut it down.

So, while I think he certainly can be the best TE in any given week, I also think you can't rely on him and it could be long term.

If I owned him, I probably would not sell at what people will offer and if I did not own him I would probably not be looking to buy. Sometimes you get what you pay for and I think I would rather pay a little more and get one of the several young up and coming guys that are putting up good numbers right now (in a dynasty).

 

[Young 8]

I'm waiting for a big game, then trying like hell to sell.

That's the big IF

 

[jp81976]

See the trouble I've had is figuring out TE value anyway. Best TEs only get around 8 points per game...or the equivalent of a good backup RB. I have Chris Cooley and Daniel Fells right now and I'm 3-0...so they aren't hurting me so far...While I'm trying like heck to upgrade, no way I'd be willing to deal more than a 2nd rounder and a top backup like Michael Bush.

I don't see how you're trying that hard to upgrade if that's all you're willing to give.

because like i said, even the top TE aren't worth all that much to be honest. giving up more than that is overpaying. if you can get 4 points out of a scrub TE, versus 8-9 points out of a "Stud" TE...why would you pay a higher price for it? if the difference between you winning and losing is 4 points, then you need to upgrade your other positions. which is what i went out and did. the value just isn't there to upgrade TE, unless it's for the 2nd and a backup RB (with some upside)

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm waiting for a big game, then trying like hell to sell.

That's the big IF

Why? Do you think he won't play ever again? Because when he plays, he's unstoppable.

 

[Sabertooth]

See the trouble I've had is figuring out TE value anyway. Best TEs only get around 8 points per game...or the equivalent of a good backup RB. I have Chris Cooley and Daniel Fells right now and I'm 3-0...so they aren't hurting me so far...While I'm trying like heck to upgrade, no way I'd be willing to deal more than a 2nd rounder and a top backup like Michael Bush.

I don't see how you're trying that hard to upgrade if that's all you're willing to give.

because like i said, even the top TE aren't worth all that much to be honest. giving up more than that is overpaying. if you can get 4 points out of a scrub TE, versus 8-9 points out of a "Stud" TE...why would you pay a higher price for it? if the difference between you winning and losing is 4 points, then you need to upgrade your other positions. which is what i went out and did. the value just isn't there to upgrade TE, unless it's for the 2nd and a backup RB (with some upside)

What he is saying is that you are not "trying like heck" when you are offering 2nd round picks and career backups. He's not arguing that you should try harder.

 

[lynx4ben]

I recently sold him for this:

Gates

for

Fred Davis

Jared Cook

2012 2nd

 

[Young 8]

I'm waiting for a big game, then trying like hell to sell.

That's the big IF

Why? Do you think he won't play ever again? Because when he plays, he's unstoppable.

So do you really think his foot will magically heal in the next few weeks after it didn't heal in 7, I repeat 7 months during the offseason

Ok, good luck

 

[Shutout]

I'm waiting for a big game, then trying like hell to sell.

That's the big IF

Why? Do you think he won't play ever again? Because when he plays, he's unstoppable.

He played in Week 2 and wasn't unstoppable. FF is fickle...people remember what happend up to aboout 6 days ago. Its been a long time since a buyer is going to remember him being Dominant. When we are the owners, we remember those things easier but not so much when we are taking on the risk and, that has to be understood, there IS risk. Otherwise, the owner of such a dominant player wouldn't be shopping him.

 

[irish eyes]

If trades were allowed in FFPC i would unload this cry baby for a stick of gum. He should just retire, sick of hearing about his sore little foot.

 

[AmosMoses]

I'm waiting for a big game, then trying like hell to sell.

That's the big IF

Why? Do you think he won't play ever again? Because when he plays, he's unstoppable.

What was Gate's stat line in his last game?

 

[TarheelBlue]

At what point does he become droppable? Not yet, but at some point.... also is anyone worried about his "state of mind" given that he actually thinks his scarred tissue means he's HEALTHIER?!

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

I guess my question was- what's his dynasty value? I get that he has foot problems and isn't producing for your team right now, and may very well be a drop candidate for redraft leagues. But eventually his foot issues should heal, or he'll have surgery and it will heal for 2012.

He'll be 32 going into next season, which should mean he's got 2 or so years of solid production-- possibly top-10 production- left. I think he'd be a great buy low for dynasty teams making their championship run the next few years.

 

[moosey]

i'm completely disgusted with myself. i felt i was a TE away from a dynasty championship so i traded maclin for gates before the start of the season (i was stacked at WR and also have desean). could be the worst move ever. i received keller in a separate trade who is now my starting TE. no one will even entertain a trade for gates or give me any value. i'm holding to hopefully make an offseason move next year.

 

[Dez]

Zero is the ansnwer

 

[FantasyTrader]

Zero is the ansnwer

FAIL

 

[bengalbuck]

I still think he's a top 10 TE value in dynasty (probably between 8 and 10), maybe a bit less the larger the # of teams gets.

It just seems like there are a ton of guys who can get you 10 PPG or so in PPR. That's kind of your "replacement value" and there are 16+ guys who can get you that. But not more than a handful who average more than 12-13 PPG. Thus, when Gates is healthy, he gives you a nice advantage over at least half of your league mates.

All depends on what else you have on your roster, if you can grab Randy McMichael, etc. but I would rank him ahead of guys like Fred Davis, Dustin Keller, etc.

I'd rather have Jermaine Gresham and Antonio Gates than Jermaine Gresham and Fred Davis for example as a TE duo. So if I had a solid guy like Gresham I'd definitely trade Davis straight up for Gates.