TE Brock Bowers, LV (1 Viewer)

[menobrown]

Been a few weeks since week one, here is a refresher via Nathan Janke from PFF:

Monitor Brock Bowers’ health: Bowers suffered a knee injury early in the fourth quarter and didn’t return.


The Raiders retained their top two tight ends from last season in Brock Bowers and Michael Mayer. Over the last five weeks of last season, Bowers played 92% of Las Vegas' offensive snaps to Mayer's 73%. Bowers was playing 74% of the snaps out of 11 personnel on early downs compared to 83% on third downs, while the two were almost always on the field together in two-tight-end sets. The preseason suggested that Mayer could be cutting into Bowers’ snaps in 11 personnel, particularly on early downs.


Those playing time concerns played out over the first three quarters, where Bowers played in 32 of a possible 45 snaps. Bowers was pretty consistently on the field in two- and three-tight-end sets, but he only played 15 of 27 snaps in 11 personnel over the three quarters. He was consistently on the field on third downs and during the two-minute drill. The Raiders had eight third downs and seven snaps in two-minute drills.


On 14 snaps out of 11 personnel on early downs, outside of the two-minute drill, Bowers played three snaps, Mayer played seven, and Ian Thomas played four. Typically, teams will run more plays out of 11 personnel on early downs outside of the two-minute drill than third down or two-minute-drill plays combined. This means we should expect Bowers’ snap rate to be even lower than it was in the first three quarters of this game.

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[menobrown]

This may very well not be nothing, but I need to catch up.

@menobrown What was Bowers' preseason usage? Was that what got people thinking lower usage? Was Mayer starting?

I don't know his preseason usage exactly but it looked a lot like week one which I posted a recap from PFF.

 

[ratbast]

Off season:
Brady: “How about this Bowers kid? Need to feature the other guys right?”
Pete: “I know he broke records last year but we really need to phase him out”
Geno: “What?”

Injury or not, nobody is phasing out Bowers. You think defenses might have game planned to keep him in check? You think maybe they needed to counter that by involving the other skill players?

 

[menobrown]

phasing out Bowers.

I don't agree with this type of phrasing. I don't know anyone is saying they are trying to phase him out. Playing less does not equal being phased out. It just means they view, right or wrong, they can run the ball better with some TE's who can block better.

Kincaid's not Bowers but it's the same issues he's dealing with, only worse. He was fantastic his rookie season when he had the role to himself and he's been really good this year when given opportunities. But he's still hovering around a 60% snap share and not because they sat around and said, "hey, how can we phase out Kincaid" but instead likely sat around and thought "how can we improve the running game". I feel pretty confident thinking this is the Raiders same thought process. Not how to make Bowers a less integral part of their offense, but how to make the running game better.

 

[Football Jones]

Nobody is saying they're phasing him out, LMAO.

BUT...it's BROCK BOWSER...he can still produce elite FF numbers playing half the snaps. Bowser is so good he can even produce with his butt on the bench!

Anyway, maybe ol' Pete was yanking our chain in week 1, but if not, given that powerful Raiders' O (/s), I suspect Bowers' production won't be equal to his ADP. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets 75% when Mayer returns. Who knows.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Bowers was one of my top fade candidates this year. If you look at history, there were two very large things working against Bowers.

1) History.

If you take the top 10 rookie TE seasons of all time, all of them saw a substantial production drop in year 2. Some are too far back to account for fantasy value, but essentially for all 10 their value after their rookie season represented their peak value for their entire career, and it was only downhill from there.

I broke this out by the actual names/numbers this offseason, but FBG search function seems to be broken right now (just returns a server error), so I can pull those up later. Basically Mike Ditka was the only one to come close to maintaining, but even he saw around a 25% drop in year 2 and never matched his rookie season again.

2) Pete.

Tell me if you've heard this story before. A tall receiving TE that basically plays WR dominates in that role. Then he moves to a Pete Carroll offense. People aren't too concerned because even though he has a beast mode bowling ball RB that he wants to feed, what are the other receiving options? They don't even have a WR1, their best option is an undersized career WR2. He's still gonna eat.

Lynch -> Baldwin -> Graham
Jeanty -> Jakobi -> Bowers

Graham was still okay, but saw and immediate and substantial downgrade in usage when Pete came into the picture.

 

[Football Jones]

Bowers was one of my top fade candidates this year. If you look at history, there were two very large things working against Bowers.

1) History.

If you take the top 10 rookie TE seasons of all time, all of them saw a substantial production drop in year 2. Some are too far back to account for fantasy value, but essentially for all 10 their value after their rookie season represented their peak value for their entire career, and it was only downhill from there.

I broke this out by the actual names/numbers this offseason, but FBG search function seems to be broken right now (just returns a server error), so I can pull those up later. Basically Mike Ditka was the only one to come close to maintaining, but even he saw around a 25% drop in year 2 and never matched his rookie season again.

2) Pete.

Tell me if you've heard this story before. A tall receiving TE that basically plays WR dominates in that role. Then he moves to a Pete Carroll offense. People aren't too concerned because even though he has a beast mode bowling ball RB that he wants to feed, what are the other receiving options? They don't even have a WR1, their best option is an undersized career WR2. He's still gonna eat.

Lynch -> Baldwin -> Graham
Jeanty -> Jakobi -> Bowers

Graham was still okay, but saw and immediate and substantial downgrade in usage when Pete came into the picture.

Interesting...

 

[Football Jones]

Bowers was one of my top fade candidates this year. If you look at history, there were two very large things working against Bowers.

1) History.

If you take the top 10 rookie TE seasons of all time, all of them saw a substantial production drop in year 2. Some are too far back to account for fantasy value, but essentially for all 10 their value after their rookie season represented their peak value for their entire career, and it was only downhill from there.

I broke this out by the actual names/numbers this offseason, but FBG search function seems to be broken right now (just returns a server error), so I can pull those up later. Basically Mike Ditka was the only one to come close to maintaining, but even he saw around a 25% drop in year 2 and never matched his rookie season again.

2) Pete.

Tell me if you've heard this story before. A tall receiving TE that basically plays WR dominates in that role. Then he moves to a Pete Carroll offense. People aren't too concerned because even though he has a beast mode bowling ball RB that he wants to feed, what are the other receiving options? They don't even have a WR1, their best option is an undersized career WR2. He's still gonna eat.

Lynch -> Baldwin -> Graham
Jeanty -> Jakobi -> Bowers

Graham was still okay, but saw and immediate and substantial downgrade in usage when Pete came into the picture.

You made a good point about their lack of a stud WR. Bowers' potential usage issue would be more of a problem in FF if they had a top WR. The Raiders need Bowers to produce, regardless of his snap count.

 

[JohnnyU]

I really don't understand some of the discussion going on in this thread. If / when Bowers is healthy he will be a top end TE for fantasy and certainly an important part of the Raiders offense. All this other stuff is BS imo and some have too much time on their hands and are overthinking Bowers.

In the end, you could be right, but you wouldn't worry about a 50% snap share (long-term)?

Hell no I don't worry about that and neither should you. You're a seasoned dynasty player and should know better. I think you do know better, but are overthinking this.

I don't own Bowers, but yeah, I'd worry about a 50% snap share if it continues. Will it? Maybe not.

Acting like a 50% snap share is ok (long-term) is crazy. Opposing DCs aren't dumb, lol. No way he could be an elite FF producer with 50% of snaps over the course of his career.

Pete won't be there forever, but I gotta love the blind faith in Bowser.

Yeah, I think everything mentioned in this thread except health is crazy.

So you're ignoring the usage, totally? What if Bowers continues to get 50% of snaps?

Yes, I'm ignoring that. I don't think I'm wrong for ignoring it when he's healthy. But go ahead and trade him while you have the chance

 

[JohnnyU]

I really don't understand some of the discussion going on in this thread. If / when Bowers is healthy he will be a top end TE for fantasy and certainly an important part of the Raiders offense. All this other stuff is BS imo and some have too much time on their hands and are overthinking Bowers.

In the end, you could be right, but you wouldn't worry about a 50% snap share (long-term)?

Hell no I don't worry about that and neither should you. You're a seasoned dynasty player and should know better. I think you do know better, but are overthinking this.

I don't own Bowers, but yeah, I'd worry about a 50% snap share if it continues. Will it? Maybe not.

Acting like a 50% snap share is ok (long-term) is crazy. Opposing DCs aren't dumb, lol. No way he could be an elite FF producer with 50% of snaps over the course of his career.

Pete won't be there forever, but I gotta love the blind faith in Bowser.

Yeah, I think everything mentioned in this thread except health is crazy.

So you're ignoring the usage, totally? What if Bowers continues to get 50% of snaps?

Yes, I'm ignoring that. I don't think I'm wrong for ignoring it when he's healthy. But go ahead and trade him while you have the chance

Lol goofballs

Don't get personal with anyone, Joe frowns on it. I thought last night you would have gotten a timeout over it. Don't press your luck. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I've stated mine that I'm not worried about anything other than health when it comes to Bowers.

 

[Football Jones]

I really don't understand some of the discussion going on in this thread. If / when Bowers is healthy he will be a top end TE for fantasy and certainly an important part of the Raiders offense. All this other stuff is BS imo and some have too much time on their hands and are overthinking Bowers.

In the end, you could be right, but you wouldn't worry about a 50% snap share (long-term)?

Hell no I don't worry about that and neither should you. You're a seasoned dynasty player and should know better. I think you do know better, but are overthinking this.

I don't own Bowers, but yeah, I'd worry about a 50% snap share if it continues. Will it? Maybe not.

Acting like a 50% snap share is ok (long-term) is crazy. Opposing DCs aren't dumb, lol. No way he could be an elite FF producer with 50% of snaps over the course of his career.

Pete won't be there forever, but I gotta love the blind faith in Bowser.

Yeah, I think everything mentioned in this thread except health is crazy.

So you're ignoring the usage, totally? What if Bowers continues to get 50% of snaps?

Yes, I'm ignoring that. I don't think I'm wrong for ignoring it when he's healthy. But go ahead and trade him while you have the chance

Like I said, I don't own him. If I did, I'd probly just hold and hope.

On the contrary, this would be a very good time for you to acquire Bowers if you're not concerned.

Do you own him in a league?

 

[JohnnyU]

I really don't understand some of the discussion going on in this thread. If / when Bowers is healthy he will be a top end TE for fantasy and certainly an important part of the Raiders offense. All this other stuff is BS imo and some have too much time on their hands and are overthinking Bowers.

In the end, you could be right, but you wouldn't worry about a 50% snap share (long-term)?

Hell no I don't worry about that and neither should you. You're a seasoned dynasty player and should know better. I think you do know better, but are overthinking this.

I don't own Bowers, but yeah, I'd worry about a 50% snap share if it continues. Will it? Maybe not.

Acting like a 50% snap share is ok (long-term) is crazy. Opposing DCs aren't dumb, lol. No way he could be an elite FF producer with 50% of snaps over the course of his career.

Pete won't be there forever, but I gotta love the blind faith in Bowser.

Yeah, I think everything mentioned in this thread except health is crazy.

So you're ignoring the usage, totally? What if Bowers continues to get 50% of snaps?

Yes, I'm ignoring that. I don't think I'm wrong for ignoring it when he's healthy. But go ahead and trade him while you have the chance

Like I said, I don't own him. If I did, I'd probly just hold and hope.

On the contrary, this would be a very good time for you to acquire Bowers.

Do you own him in a league?

I have him in one TE Prem (1.5 PPR for TEs) dynasty and there is no way in hell I'm trading him. Everyone has a price, but I would have to be offered a ridiculous package. Actually, just a couple of days ago I was offered Kincaid and Marvin Harrison Jr. for my Bowers and Corum and I rejected. Didn't have to think twice about it either.

 

[Football Jones]

I really don't understand some of the discussion going on in this thread. If / when Bowers is healthy he will be a top end TE for fantasy and certainly an important part of the Raiders offense. All this other stuff is BS imo and some have too much time on their hands and are overthinking Bowers.

In the end, you could be right, but you wouldn't worry about a 50% snap share (long-term)?

Hell no I don't worry about that and neither should you. You're a seasoned dynasty player and should know better. I think you do know better, but are overthinking this.

I don't own Bowers, but yeah, I'd worry about a 50% snap share if it continues. Will it? Maybe not.

Acting like a 50% snap share is ok (long-term) is crazy. Opposing DCs aren't dumb, lol. No way he could be an elite FF producer with 50% of snaps over the course of his career.

Pete won't be there forever, but I gotta love the blind faith in Bowser.

Yeah, I think everything mentioned in this thread except health is crazy.

So you're ignoring the usage, totally? What if Bowers continues to get 50% of snaps?

Yes, I'm ignoring that. I don't think I'm wrong for ignoring it when he's healthy. But go ahead and trade him while you have the chance

Like I said, I don't own him. If I did, I'd probly just hold and hope.

On the contrary, this would be a very good time for you to acquire Bowers.

Do you own him in a league?

I have him in one TE Prem (1.5 PPR for TEs) dynasty and there is no way in hell I'm trading him. Actually, just a couple of days ago I was offered Kincaid and Marvin Harrison Jr. for my Bowers and Corum and I rejected. Didn't have to think twice about it either.

I probly wouldn't have done that, either.

Good luck with Bowers. It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

 

[menobrown]

I really don't understand some of the discussion going on in this thread. If / when Bowers is healthy he will be a top end TE for fantasy and certainly an important part of the Raiders offense. All this other stuff is BS imo and some have too much time on their hands and are overthinking Bowers.

In the end, you could be right, but you wouldn't worry about a 50% snap share (long-term)?

Hell no I don't worry about that and neither should you. You're a seasoned dynasty player and should know better. I think you do know better, but are overthinking this.

I don't own Bowers, but yeah, I'd worry about a 50% snap share if it continues. Will it? Maybe not.

Acting like a 50% snap share is ok (long-term) is crazy. Opposing DCs aren't dumb, lol. No way he could be an elite FF producer with 50% of snaps over the course of his career.

Pete won't be there forever, but I gotta love the blind faith in Bowser.

Yeah, I think everything mentioned in this thread except health is crazy.

So you're ignoring the usage, totally? What if Bowers continues to get 50% of snaps?

Yes, I'm ignoring that. I don't think I'm wrong for ignoring it when he's healthy. But go ahead and trade him while you have the chance

Like I said, I don't own him. If I did, I'd probly just hold and hope.

On the contrary, this would be a very good time for you to acquire Bowers.

Do you own him in a league?

I have him in one TE Prem (1.5 PPR for TEs) dynasty and there is no way in hell I'm trading him. Actually, just a couple of days ago I was offered Kincaid and Marvin Harrison Jr. for my Bowers and Corum and I rejected. Didn't have to think twice about it either.

I own him in two 1.5 PPR dynasty leagues as well. One of which I acquired him a few weeks before the season, and don't regret it.

I have zero interest in trying to trade him but I don't view any player having a price that can't be met to acquire them. So, and I think this after week one for a point of reference, someone reached out to me for the second time asking if I'd be interested in trading Bowers and this guy has fairly loaded roster and 3 #1's, so a lot of ammo. I had to think long and hard on making this offer because of how I value Bowers long term but ended up offering Bowers for 2#1's(one likely earl, one late) and Egbuka with a note saying I'd also do this if he subbed out Egbuka for Tet. It was a hard bargain, but I was not trying to sell and he kept asking and again I'd not this was after week one. Bowers and Egbuka's values have been moving in different directions since.

Anyway he said thanks but no, countered saying he'd do one of those firsts and one of those WR's.

Not bad but nothing that moved me and when I went to reject it I wrote a note that said: "WR's come and go, but there is only Broke Bow"

I still think he's going to break TEP fantasy one day.

 

[bolzano]

Perhaps it’s because I cut my teeth in fantasy sports via basketball where usage is generally looked at as the best predictor of success, but I still can’t get over the usage regression argument/ evidence and the negative effect it may have on Bowers’s production. As I noted earlier, he can make up for it with increased efficiency, but that’s certainly not something you want to rely on.

It would be better for us if it were ‘24 and the offense was still centered around him, not Jeanty. But, it’s ‘25, Jeanty is there, personnel grouping decisions are being made with run blocking in mind, Jeanty will have his share of the target pie, and so on

 

[JohnnyU]

Perhaps it’s because I cut my teeth in fantasy sports via basketball where usage is generally looked at as the best predictor of success, but I still can’t get over the usage regression argument/ evidence and the negative effect it may have on Bowers’s production. As I noted earlier, he can make up for it with increased efficiency, but that’s certainly not something you want to rely on.

It would be better for us if it were ‘24 and the offense was still centered around him, not Jeanty. But, it’s ‘25, Jeanty is there, personnel grouping decisions are being made with run blocking in mind, Jeanty will have his share of the target pie, and so on

Well, I'm not impressed by their WR room to be honest and I wouldn't necessarily compare a RB to a TE when discussing targets in general. Jeanty is breaking tackles and has been hit behind the LOS a lot. Their OL isn't very good.

 

[bolzano]

Been a few weeks since week one, here is a refresher via Nathan Janke from PFF:

Monitor Brock Bowers’ health: Bowers suffered a knee injury early in the fourth quarter and didn’t return.


The Raiders retained their top two tight ends from last season in Brock Bowers and Michael Mayer. Over the last five weeks of last season, Bowers played 92% of Las Vegas' offensive snaps to Mayer's 73%. Bowers was playing 74% of the snaps out of 11 personnel on early downs compared to 83% on third downs, while the two were almost always on the field together in two-tight-end sets. The preseason suggested that Mayer could be cutting into Bowers’ snaps in 11 personnel, particularly on early downs.


Those playing time concerns played out over the first three quarters, where Bowers played in 32 of a possible 45 snaps. Bowers was pretty consistently on the field in two- and three-tight-end sets, but he only played 15 of 27 snaps in 11 personnel over the three quarters. He was consistently on the field on third downs and during the two-minute drill. The Raiders had eight third downs and seven snaps in two-minute drills.


On 14 snaps out of 11 personnel on early downs, outside of the two-minute drill, Bowers played three snaps, Mayer played seven, and Ian Thomas played four. Typically, teams will run more plays out of 11 personnel on early downs outside of the two-minute drill than third down or two-minute-drill plays combined. This means we should expect Bowers’ snap rate to be even lower than it was in the first three quarters of this game.

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Thank you for reposting this PFF article. I think what the critics are missing is that the usage issue the author described here was discussed by fantasy experts PRIOR to the season as a reason for fading Bowers. So, we look at this as evidence supporting that argument. The injury issue is also a concern, but it’s independent of the original usage one and it’s additive.

 

[Judge Smails]

Enough with the nonsense. A healthy Bowers will get nothing near a 50% snap share. Nobody can forecast injuries or the level of recovery. Guesses

 

[ratbast]

phasing out Bowers.

I don't agree with this type of phrasing. I don't know anyone is saying they are trying to phase him out. Playing less does not equal being phased out. It just means they view, right or wrong, they can run the ball better with some TE's who can block better.

Kincaid's not Bowers but it's the same issues he's dealing with, only worse. He was fantastic his rookie season when he had the role to himself and he's been really good this year when given opportunities. But he's still hovering around a 60% snap share and not because they sat around and said, "hey, how can we phase out Kincaid" but instead likely sat around and thought "how can we improve the running game". I feel pretty confident thinking this is the Raiders same thought process. Not how to make Bowers a less integral part of their offense, but how to make the running game better.

To have a more balanced attack. So defense can’t take him away.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Dude. Chill. Your tone sucks.

I'm sarcastic to a fault but I do enjoy making fun of terrible takes lol

I know you’re new so just warning that the mods don’t take kindly to your type of tone. You will surely get a suspension.

 

[Football Jones]

The offense went through Bowers last season. Different coach and different personnel this year, though. FF can change fast.

I suspect Bowers will have more than a 50% snap share this season. For one, they're likely going to be behind a lot. That said, he was around 90% last year (and almost always over 90 in the second half of '24). That certainly helped his production.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine he's going to have to be a lot more efficient with his snaps this season to be worth his ADP. Will 65% be good enough to earn par in this offense? Will he even get 65%?

Bowers is a great receiver, but this does highlight the potential issues these F-type TEs can have in FF (depending on coach, personnel, etc.).

 

[JohnnyU]

Dude. Chill. Your tone sucks.

I'm sarcastic to a fault but I do enjoy making fun of terrible takes lol

I know you’re new so just warning that the mods don’t take kindly to your type of tone. You will surely get a suspension.

I already warned him saying just that. No need to pile on.

 

[Ilov80s]

At this point, Pitts is the most comparable player to Bowers we have period

Ok so we play the only (half way) fully healthy game Bowers had this year out. Times that production by 17. 5x17= 85 catches, 103x17= 1,751 yards. Obviously the yardage would dip but you'd throw TDs in.

Lord y'all give up on guys too fast

I didn’t give up on him? Not sure what you’re talking about.

 

[bolzano]

OK, I’m done posting about Bowers until we get further evidence via a larger sample size. Indeed, people’s opinions seem to be pretty much locked in right now. So, there’s no point of continuing the discussion.

Before I bow out, I want to clear something up: Folks are attributing his low usage in game one to his injury. But, as menobrown, Football Jones, and I mentioned, Bowers’s snap count was troubling BEFORE he got hurt in the 4th quarter. Please read the PFF article.

 

[JohnnyU]

OK, I’m done posting about Bowers until we get further evidence via a larger sample size. Indeed, people’s opinions seem to be pretty much locked in right now. So, there’s no point of continuing the discussion.

Before I bow out, I want to clear something up: Folks are attributing his low usage in game one to his injury. But, as menobrown, Football Jones, and I mentioned, Bowers’s snap count was troubling BEFORE he got hurt in the 4th quarter. Please read the PFF article.

You're right, peoele are and repeating themselves over and over trying to convince others to see it their way. I believe that talking point has been exhausted. Now back to your reguarly scheduled program. But first, a word our sponser. Another boring State Farm commercial with Jake and some Kansas City Cheifs and coach Andy Reid. Followed by another boring Progressive don't be like your parents commercial.

 

[menobrown]

OK, I’m done posting about Bowers until we get further evidence via a larger sample size. Indeed, people’s opinions seem to be pretty much locked in right now. So, there’s no point of continuing the discussion.

Before I bow out, I want to clear something up: Folks are attributing his low usage in game one to his injury. But, as menobrown, Football Jones, and I mentioned, Bowers’s snap count was troubling BEFORE he got hurt in the 4th quarter. Please read the PFF article.

Agreed.

I'll just say add one last thing. In the leagues I play, FFPC, he was a mid first round redraft pick. A few picks ahead of McBride. Kittle was TE3 usually hovering around the 2/3 turn.

What I saw from Bowers week one usage before he got injured was someone I think should have been drafted in the Kittle range instead of in the mid first. His knee has made him less valuable if he can get healthy this is the type of value I expect him to have. A top 24 type player, just not a top 6-8 one.

This does not mean if he was healthy he was a bust, they are phasing him out, he won't be "alright". I would think this should be a given but so many responses here make me understand I assumed to much.

Perhaps it’s because I cut my teeth in fantasy sports via basketball where usage is generally looked at as the best predictor of success

Feel the same way in fantasy football most especially in TEP premium leagues when I get 1.5 points for just a catch.

 

[travdogg]

I really feel like we've learned absolutely nothing about Bowers these past 3 weeks, other than he probably should have gone on short term IR before week 2.

 

[dkp993]

Looks like he won’t be out there this week.

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1974561768803553729

 

[KellysHeroes]

Looks like he won’t be out there this week.

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1974561768803553729

this is actually good news, was worried he would push it and really get hurt

 

[dkp993]

Looks like he won’t be out there this week.

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1974561768803553729

this is actually good news, was worried he would push it and really get hurt

Not sure I’d classify his knee getting worse throughout the week to the point he can’t play as good news but I understand your point.

 

[menobrown]

I really feel like we've learned absolutely nothing about Bowers these past 3 weeks, other than he probably should have gone on short term IR before week 2.

I learned we were misled and he’s not Bald Bowers.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Onesie strategy is great until you lose Lamar and Brock bowers in the same week…

 

[Smack Tripper]

Onesie strategy is great until you lose Lamar and Brock bowers in the same week…

Never double onesie

 

[JohnnyU]

I really don't understand some of the discussion going on in this thread. If / when Bowers is healthy he will be a top end TE for fantasy and certainly an important part of the Raiders offense. All this other stuff is BS imo and some have too much time on their hands and are overthinking Bowers.

In the end, you could be right, but you wouldn't worry about a 50% snap share (long-term)?

Hell no I don't worry about that and neither should you. You're a seasoned dynasty player and should know better. I think you do know better, but are overthinking this.

I don't own Bowers, but yeah, I'd worry about a 50% snap share if it continues. Will it? Maybe not.

Acting like a 50% snap share is ok (long-term) is crazy. Opposing DCs aren't dumb, lol. No way he could be an elite FF producer with 50% of snaps over the course of his career.

Pete won't be there forever, but I gotta love the blind faith in Bowser.

Yeah, I think everything mentioned in this thread except health is crazy.

So you're ignoring the usage, totally? What if Bowers continues to get 50% of snaps?

Yes, I'm ignoring that. I don't think I'm wrong for ignoring it when he's healthy. But go ahead and trade him while you have the chance

Like I said, I don't own him. If I did, I'd probly just hold and hope.

On the contrary, this would be a very good time for you to acquire Bowers.

Do you own him in a league?

I have him in one TE Prem (1.5 PPR for TEs) dynasty and there is no way in hell I'm trading him. Actually, just a couple of days ago I was offered Kincaid and Marvin Harrison Jr. for my Bowers and Corum and I rejected. Didn't have to think twice about it either.

I own him in two 1.5 PPR dynasty leagues as well. One of which I acquired him a few weeks before the season, and don't regret it.

I have zero interest in trying to trade him but I don't view any player having a price that can't be met to acquire them. So, and I think this after week one for a point of reference, someone reached out to me for the second time asking if I'd be interested in trading Bowers and this guy has fairly loaded roster and 3 #1's, so a lot of ammo. I had to think long and hard on making this offer because of how I value Bowers long term but ended up offering Bowers for 2#1's(one likely earl, one late) and Egbuka with a note saying I'd also do this if he subbed out Egbuka for Tet. It was a hard bargain, but I was not trying to sell and he kept asking and again I'd not this was after week one. Bowers and Egbuka's values have been moving in different directions since.

Anyway he said thanks but no, countered saying he'd do one of those firsts and one of those WR's.

Not bad but nothing that moved me and when I went to reject it I wrote a note that said: "WR's come and go, but there is only Broke Bow"

I still think he's going to break TEP fantasy one day.

Yes, everyone has a price. I shouldn't have been so concrete on saying I wouldn't trade Bowers.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Seems to me - if you hold him out this week, you might as well hold him out until the bye week in GW8.

I can't imagine that 1 week of rest is really going to set him up for the rest of the season.

 

[eagles 123]

Agreed. Maybe Raiders are conceding after that last loss that bowers long term health is more important than this season .

 

[RaidersAreOne]

No Bowers today. The right call to sit him.

 

[Footballdaz]

So happy he's been ruled out. Can't be messing with knee issues. Let him sit 2 weeks if needed.
I want him healthy 2nd half of season and playoffs,when it really counts..

 

[bolzano]

Seems to me - if you hold him out this week, you might as well hold him out until the bye week in GW8.

I can't imagine that 1 week of rest is really going to set him up for the rest of the season.

Michael Mayer time?!?! Too bad he’s out this week. But, he’s a decent speculative add for TE needy teams in deep leagues.

 

[BladeRunner]

Seems to me - if you hold him out this week, you might as well hold him out until the bye week in GW8.

I can't imagine that 1 week of rest is really going to set him up for the rest of the season.

Michael Mayer time?!?! Too bad he’s out this week. But, he’s a decent speculative add for TE needy teams in deep leagues.

Going with Mason Taylor instead.

 

[bolzano]

Seems to me - if you hold him out this week, you might as well hold him out until the bye week in GW8.

I can't imagine that 1 week of rest is really going to set him up for the rest of the season.

Michael Mayer time?!?! Too bad he’s out this week. But, he’s a decent speculative add for TE needy teams in deep leagues.

Going with Mason Taylor instead.

I’m rolling with Theo Johnson. But, I thought about going with Ian Thomas as a plug and play for today and bidding on Mayer during the upcoming WW run.

 

[bolzano]

We should be pretty pissed off at the Raiders for how the original injury was handled and the resulting setback. They’re trying to put the onus on Bowers, saying he wanted to gut through it. But, I would assume they have the last word.