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Okay so Funchess hit a max speed of 20.84mph on that 32 yard screen he took to the house. This tied Brandin Cooks' and Ginn's max speed on the year..
17/286/2 on 25 targets or ~19ppg with finishes of WR23, WR3 and ~WR12 depending on where the WRs finish in tomorrow's game.Since the KB trade he's 10/178/2 in two games on 13 targets.
It's hard to sit him against anyone because Cam is going to pepper him with targets. Lattimore probsbly comes back this week, but I'm still starting him17/286/2 on 25 targets or ~19ppg with finishes of WR23, WR3 and ~WR12 depending on where the WRs finish in tomorrow's game.
His 108 yards vs. NYJ was a season high.
If Lattimore doesn't play next week that match-up all of a sudden looks good. MIN in week 14 will be tough but he then gets GB and TB in weeks 15 and 16.
Devin Funchess jammed his toe in Sunday's win over the Jets, but says he will play through the issue going forward.
Funchess wasn't announced with an injury in New York, but hinted he could miss some practice time this week. Having now set new 2017 yardage highs in each of Kelvin Benjamin's first three games away from the Panthers, Funchess could flirt with WR1 status against the Saints if Marshon Lattimore and Ken Crawley both remain sidelined.
Source: Jourdan Rodrigue on Twitter
Nov 27 - 2:59 PM
I'm not as worried about the toe as I am the status of NO's top two corners. If Lattimore is out, he's a great start. Either way, he's going to get at least 8 targets and hopefully a few red zone opportunitiesReally, really need this monster to be close to 100% this week.
Wed, Nov 29
Devin Funchess (toe) is not practicing Wednesday.
Advice: Funchess injured his toe in the Week 12 win over the Jets but said afterward that he'll play through the injury moving forward. The 8-3 Panthers hold the NFC's top Wild Card spot at the moment and need Funchess on offense.
More: Joe Person on Twitter
(Rotoworld.com)
Cam always has some bad throws, but he had more than usual against the Jets, because he was/is playing with an injured thumb on his throwing hand.Literally the only Panthers WR that can catch a pass. Weird game v. NYJ, Cam's favorite target was the turf.
Wait, what am I saying, that's not weird for Newton.
I got bone-on-bone in the same tie & walk 6 miles of concrete every day. Rub some dirt on it.Toe injuries a very bad for WRs.
Some things to keep in mind..
It's the same toe he broke in college.
He said he injured it early in the game vs. NYJ and played through it.
Funchess is a must start if Lattimore is out. I heard a beat reporter say they think he will be fineI got bone-on-bone in the same tie & walk 6 miles of concrete every day. Rub some dirt on it.
My options are JuJu, Parker - “you’re still on my roster?” - and Woods (IR - will dump DP when he’s a go.)
I also have Gordon. Which reminds me, I have to cut a 2nd player to take Smith-Schuster off IR. So, really, my only option is Miami’s sure thing breakout player of 2017.
I beat writers think Lattimore is 50/50 to play and that Crawley has a much better shot at suiting up.Lattimore practiced today.
NO homers or those in the know, is Crowley elite too?I beat writers think Lattimore is 50/50 to play and that Crawley has a much better shot at suiting up.
PFF has him graded at CB17NO homers or those in the know, is Crowley elite too?
I remember rewatching the NE vs. NO game to see how NO was able to shut down Cooks. I was expecting to see Lattimore shadow Cooks but he actually often found himself in Crawley's coverage and Cooks couldn't gain an inch of seperation. I remember thinking "Crawley? Who the #### is Crawley?".BobbyLayne said:PFF has him graded at CB17
Welp better luck next year.Really, really need this monster to be close to 100% this week.
Those tricky NFL coaches..Always overthinking things. Ziggning when they should be zagging. "Well, this seems to work well. I know! What if we do the exact opposite and act as if he's not even on the team this week? Yeah, that will fool the saints and keep them from dialing in on the run game."Welp better luck next year.
He definitely looked like he did something to that shoulder...going it's minor...tough matchup this week against the Viking DI hope whatever the injury is that he suffered on that onside kick isn't serious. I'm assuming it's a shoulder injury.
I'm not a fan of diagnoses via random videos but during his post game jersey exchange with Ginn he didn't look to be in any pain and was moving around okay. It doesn't mean much outside of the fact that he very likely avoided any worst case scenario.Any updates on his shoulder after the game?
If you own him, are you starting or sitting against Rhodes? If you are sitting him, who are you starting over him? For me, I'm debating between Hogan, Funchess, and Derrick Henry in my flex spot.Practicing in full today. Shoulder is likely a non-issue.
I'm on bye but I would start him this week over Cooper, Wallace, Kearse and Lockette (.5 ppr return yardage league).FGITLOTR said:If you own him, are you starting or sitting against Rhodes? If you are sitting him, who are you starting over him? For me, I'm debating between Hogan, Funchess, and Derrick Henry in my flex spot.
You should be starting him. Rhodes doesn't really travel much as a shadow - we tend to overstate how often that's a factor, NFL pass defenses are always more complex than best WR covered one on one by best CB - and Marvin Jones Jr / Golladay had a big day against him on Thanksgiving. Sure, Julio was a non-factor, but Xavier - who I think is terrific, especially v. the run - is only CB39 this year per PFF.FGITLOTR said:If you own him, are you starting or sitting against Rhodes? If you are sitting him, who are you starting over him? For me, I'm debating between Hogan, Funchess, and Derrick Henry in my flex spot.
How often does Rhodes draw penalties? After seeing how much penalties negatively impact aggressive CBs on PFF I've kind of been putting less stock into their grades.You should be starting him. Rhodes doesn't really travel much as a shadow - we tend to overstate how often that's a factor, NFL pass defenses are always more complex than best WR covered one on one by best SB - and Marvin Jones Jr / Golladay had a big day against him on Thanksgiving. Sure, Julio was a non-factor, but Xavier - who I think is terrific, especially v. the run - is only CB39 this year per PFF.
I've never been a huge fan of Funchess having watched him a ton in college and not really seeing much improvement as a pro. I had him rostered before the trade & posts in this thread convinced me to just go with him as a volume play. He's slow and got murder holes where his hands should be, but no way you should bet into a winning streak. Let it ride.
Good Q, I don't know the weighted factors that go into their grade. I def take them with a grain of salt. Like them a lot of lineman, seems questionable at skill positions IMO. But overall I seem to agree mostly with their DB grades.How often does Rhodes draw penalties? After seeing how much penalties negatively impact aggressive CBs on PFF I've kind of been putting less stock into their grades.
I'm also honestly not sure Funchess is slow. He's not quick but once he gets rolling and gains momentum he's like a freight train and at least from the eye test, I think his 4.6 40 time is kind of deceiving. I agree with you his hands are average at best though.
But yeah, since the KB trade Funchess has finished as the WR24, WR3, WR14 and WR16 in PPR. The MIN match-up isn't great but he'll close out the playoffs at home vs. GB and TB. There is no WR with better week 15-16 match-ups.
Check out this video, it actually talks about Rhodes' grade on PFF specifically.Good Q, I don't know the weighted factors that go into their grade. I def take them with a grain of salt. Like them a lot of lineman, seems questionable at skill positions IMO. But overall I seem to agree mostly with their DB grades.
But I think you are making an excellent point. Patrick Peterson is CB29, which is
I was listening to John Hanson this morning on the Sirius fantasy channel and he thinks Rhodes is the best corner in the game today. Even if he's not the best, he's in the top 5. Funchess is a big physical target, and I'll hope Cam looks his way on some redzone targets. I made the mistake of benching Marvin Jones against him on Thanksgiving, and although he and Marvin have very different skillsets, I have to think he still gets a good share of targets. Who else is Cam going to look to? Olsen is lucky to make it through the game and McCaffrey will get check downs, but Funchess is his guy.Check out this video, it actually talks about Rhodes' grade on PFF specifically.
The fact that he didn't know who Quandre Diggs was has me questioning his general knowledge but his overall point still makes sense (although he doesn't say just how heavily penalties are weighed). Still, Rhodes held Antonio Brown to a 5/62/0 line on 11 targets in week 2 but that performance wasn't reflected in his grade. You need to be a god to hold Brown to that line.
Yeah, they have no one. Shepard, Klay, Bersin, Dickson are just guys. Olsen is working with one foot. Byrd is kind of interesting to me but his primarily job is to stretch the field.I was listening to John Hanson this morning on the Sirius fantasy channel and he thinks Rhodes is the best corner in the game today. Even if he's not the best, he's in the top 5. Funchess is a big physical target, and I'll hope Cam looks his way on some redzone targets. I made the mistake of benching Marvin Jones against him on Thanksgiving, and although he and Marvin have very different skillsets, I have to think he still gets a good share of targets. Who else is Cam going to look to? Olsen is lucky to make it through the game and McCaffrey will get check downs, but Funchess is his guy.
The whole time I was watching it I kept thinking "bruh, I know you weren't born with that watermelon head. Heart disease, liver cancer....get off the roids now."Check out this video, it actually talks about Rhodes' grade on PFF specifically.
The fact that he didn't know who Quandre Diggs was has me questioning his general knowledge but his overall point still makes sense (although he doesn't say just how heavily penalties are weighed). Still, Rhodes held Antonio Brown to a 5/62/0 line on 11 targets in week 2 but that performance wasn't reflected in his grade. You need to be a god to hold Brown to that line.
The linked article is good and some definite truth to Rhodes having help against Jones. It would be pretty stupid to not have the safeties and LB do their jobs and help cover wouldn't it?You should be starting him. Rhodes doesn't really travel much as a shadow - we tend to overstate how often that's a factor, NFL pass defenses are always more complex than best WR covered one on one by best CB - and Marvin Jones Jr / Golladay had a big day against him on Thanksgiving. Sure, Julio was a non-factor, but Xavier - who I think is terrific, especially v. the run - is only CB39 this year per PFF.
ETA: breakdown of the Vikings scheme versus Jones
I've never been a huge fan of Funchess having watched him a ton in college and not really seeing much improvement as a pro. I had him rostered before the trade & posts in this thread convinced me to just go with him as a volume play. He's slow and got murder holes where his hands should be, but no way you should bet into a winning streak. Let it ride.
This is a great post. I wish I had great options, but may need to roll this guy out and pray he does somethingThe linked article is good and some definite truth to Rhodes having help against Jones. It would be pretty stupid to not have the safeties and LB do their jobs and help cover wouldn't it?
So while I agree, this isn't really any different than how a defense plays coverage in every game. Yes Rhodes gets help over the top from the safeties, that is their job unless they are blitzing to cover the deep portion of the field, and similarly the LB, if they are not blitzing, they usually have a zone assignment or else they are in man coverage with a RB or TE. That is their job.
Zimmer does do some good things with pattern matching and disguising coverage that makes the QB reads difficult pre snap, which forces the QB to hold the ball longer reading the coverage post snap, and the pass rush usually does not let post snap reads end very well.
You are right that Marvin Jones had a good day against Rhodes, but that is also an outlier. Most of the time the player that Rhodes covers primarily does not do well. The Lions do seem to play the Vikings better than a lot of other teams do. I am not sure why that is, but that is the way its been recently.
Marvin Jones biggest play was a free play as Terrence Newman did not get off the field and so Stafford knew he could take the risk with the deep throw to Jones with no ill consequence possible if it misfired. IIRC Newman kind of got in Rhodes way also and neither of them were able to make a play on it. Without that play Jones still has a good game, 8 targets 5 receptions 66 yards and a TD (6 yards red zone).
I think Jones is faster than Funchess and Stafford more accurate than Newton is also, besides the Lions just seeming to play better against the Vikings than most teams.
I think Funchess is exactly the style of WR than Rhodes excels against. A big WR who isn't exceptionally quick out of his breaks, its that quickness that gets some separation against Rhodes, not physical play. Rhodes is very good against WR who try to win contested catches and by out muscling the defender covering them.
As far as the PFF grades, SSND makes some good points about their grading system being questionable. In regards to the question about penalties I found this which says that Rhodes has 5 total penalties this season. One for taunting, 2 pass interference, 1 defensive holding, 1 illegal use of the hands. That isn't a lot of penalties, and likely fewer than Rhodes has in previous seasons. I know at least one of those penalties on Rhodes came against Jones, showing again that this wasn't a good game for Rhodes, but I don't think what Jones did in that game against Rhodes should negate how effective a corner he has been in basically every other game this season. That is the exception, not the rule.
I don't think Funchess is going to have a good game this Sunday and if people have other good options they should take Rhodes and the Vikings defense seriously. As I mentioned, I think Rhodes matches up very favorably against Funchess, it is the quicker receivers that give him more problems. He will have help in this game, like every other game too.
The Vikings defense is going to be focused on keeping Newton from running and scrambling out of the pocket, which likely does mean more man to man than they used against the Falcons though.
Good luck to everyone with your decisions.
1) So just to clarify, with the biggest play Jones went 7-107-2. In the game at US Bank it was 5 targets, 2-42-0. They exchanged jerseys after the game at Ford Field and from their respective social media accounts seem like friendly rivals who respect each other. Funchess is in no way a comp to MJJ so all a bit moot, he had a bad day against a guy who has top twelve production this year. Slay - who is probably better as a cover guy but doesn't come within a country mile of being as good at stopping the run - had a similar week (9-92-1, bad 45 yard TD with seconds left in the first half) against DT back in early 2015. There are very few true shutdown corners but generally the Lions don't have to give Darius much help. That said, I'd take Zimmer second if we were drafting HCs and George Edwards (who never gets much pub, it's always the HC) has had a lot more success than Teryl Austin. Our back 7 seem to constantly be out of position and poor communication, especially in the Red Zone, has plagued the Lions all year.The linked article is good and some definite truth to Rhodes having help against Jones. It would be pretty stupid to not have the safeties and LB do their jobs and help cover wouldn't it?
So while I agree, this isn't really any different than how a defense plays coverage in every game. Yes Rhodes gets help over the top from the safeties, that is their job unless they are blitzing to cover the deep portion of the field, and similarly the LB, if they are not blitzing, they usually have a zone assignment or else they are in man coverage with a RB or TE. That is their job.
Zimmer does do some good things with pattern matching and disguising coverage that makes the QB reads difficult pre snap, which forces the QB to hold the ball longer reading the coverage post snap, and the pass rush usually does not let post snap reads end very well.
You are right that Marvin Jones had a good day against Rhodes, but that is also an outlier. Most of the time the player that Rhodes covers primarily does not do well. The Lions do seem to play the Vikings better than a lot of other teams do. I am not sure why that is, but that is the way its been recently.
Marvin Jones biggest play was a free play as Terrence Newman did not get off the field and so Stafford knew he could take the risk with the deep throw to Jones with no ill consequence possible if it misfired. IIRC Newman kind of got in Rhodes way also and neither of them were able to make a play on it. Without that play Jones still has a good game, 8 targets 5 receptions 66 yards and a TD (6 yards red zone).
I think Jones is faster than Funchess and Stafford more accurate than Newton is also, besides the Lions just seeming to play better against the Vikings than most teams.
I think Funchess is exactly the style of WR than Rhodes excels against. A big WR who isn't exceptionally quick out of his breaks, its that quickness that gets some separation against Rhodes, not physical play. Rhodes is very good against WR who try to win contested catches and by out muscling the defender covering them.
As far as the PFF grades, SSND makes some good points about their grading system being questionable. In regards to the question about penalties I found this which says that Rhodes has 5 total penalties this season. One for taunting, 2 pass interference, 1 defensive holding, 1 illegal use of the hands. That isn't a lot of penalties, and likely fewer than Rhodes has in previous seasons. I know at least one of those penalties on Rhodes came against Jones, showing again that this wasn't a good game for Rhodes, but I don't think what Jones did in that game against Rhodes should negate how effective a corner he has been in basically every other game this season. That is the exception, not the rule.
I don't think Funchess is going to have a good game this Sunday and if people have other good options they should take Rhodes and the Vikings defense seriously. As I mentioned, I think Rhodes matches up very favorably against Funchess, it is the quicker receivers that give him more problems. He will have help in this game, like every other game too.
The Vikings defense is going to be focused on keeping Newton from running and scrambling out of the pocket, which likely does mean more man to man than they used against the Falcons though.
Good luck to everyone with your decisions.
With Anderson dealing with a hammy issue, I may have to start him. Anyone in the same predicament. At least I know Funchess has a good chance of making it through the whole gameBobbyLayne said:1) So just to clarify, with the biggest play Jones went 7-107-2. In the game at US Bank it was 5 targets, 2-42-0. They exchanged jerseys after the game at Ford Field and from their respective social media accounts seem like friendly rivals who respect each other. Funchess is in no way a comp to MJJ so all a bit moot, he had a bad day against a guy who has top twelve production this year. Slay - who is probably better as a cover guy but doesn't come within a country mile of being as good at stopping the run - had a similar week (9-92-1, bad 45 yard TD with seconds left in the first half) against DT back in early 2015. There are very few true shutdown corners but generally the Lions don't have to give Darius much help. That said, I'd take Zimmer second if we were drafting HCs and George Edwards (who never gets much pub, it's always the HC) has had a lot more success than Teryl Austin. Our back 7 seem to constantly be out of position and poor communication, especially in the Red Zone, has plagued the Lions all year.
2) The second bolded....Rhodes is 8th in penalties amongst CBs, 20th in yards penalized. Figure there are 96 starting CBs - most slot corners play 65% of snaps - so it's not great, but around the same as other good Corners like Kilpatrick (Bengals), Sherman (Seahawks), Williams (Chargers.) Rhodes hasn't been a super elite CB this season in my view, but he's one of the best players in our division. I wasn't thrilled when Minnesota gave him the 6-year, $78M extension last summer - he's a guy you hate to face.
Back to Funchess versus Rhodes....If I didn't have a bye this week, I would be starting Gordon as my WR3 and putting Devin in the Flex over Collins (@PIT), Mixon (concussed), Smith-Schuster (suspended), and Woods (out.) But the Panthers literally have no where else to go outside, none of their other WRs are ready for prime time. CMC is the only other productive part of the passing attack. And Cam is Cam, he's not precise and much of his effectiveness comes from running. Olsen is practicing in full and should play a lot of snaps so maybe he is more involved this week, but the Vikings are pretty good at defending TEs. Funchess is 17th in targets, 20th in yards, 10th in TDs, on pace for 120/72-937-8 - he's having a decent season, been relatively consistent. I don't think this figures to be one of his better weeks but he has had an OK floor in the six weeks since the trade.
Not the same predicament, but similar juggling act. Have A.J. in the #1 spot, will be flipping a three-headed coin between Funchess, K. Benjamin and Trent Taylor for #2, rolling with three RBs this week. Currently have Taylor penciled in.Anyone in the same predicament.
This is great assessment and I certainly agreed with this on Rhodes' uncharacteristic performance on that game, resulting Jones' outlier performance. And yes, I agreed that Zimmer will scheme defensively to force Newton to be pocket-passer, which is something he hasn't fully developed.Biabreakable said:You are right that Marvin Jones had a good day against Rhodes, but that is also an outlier. Most of the time the player that Rhodes covers primarily does not do well. The Lions do seem to play the Vikings better than a lot of other teams do. I am not sure why that is, but that is the way its been recently.
The Vikings defense is going to be focused on keeping Newton from running and scrambling out of the pocket, which likely does mean more man to man than they used against the Falcons though.
Huh. What makes you think Slay is better in coverage than Rhodes?BobbyLayne said:1) So just to clarify, with the biggest play Jones went 7-107-2. In the game at US Bank it was 5 targets, 2-42-0. They exchanged jerseys after the game at Ford Field and from their respective social media accounts seem like friendly rivals who respect each other. Funchess is in no way a comp to MJJ so all a bit moot, he had a bad day against a guy who has top twelve production this year. Slay - who is probably better as a cover guy but doesn't come within a country mile of being as good at stopping the run - had a similar week (9-92-1, bad 45 yard TD with seconds left in the first half) against DT back in early 2015. There are very few true shutdown corners but generally the Lions don't have to give Darius much help. That said, I'd take Zimmer second if we were drafting HCs and George Edwards (who never gets much pub, it's always the HC) has had a lot more success than Teryl Austin. Our back 7 seem to constantly be out of position and poor communication, especially in the Red Zone, has plagued the Lions all year.
2) The second bolded....Rhodes is 8th in penalties amongst CBs, 20th in yards penalized. Figure there are 96 starting CBs - most slot corners play 65% of snaps - so it's not great, but around the same as other good Corners like Kilpatrick (Bengals), Sherman (Seahawks), Williams (Chargers.) Rhodes hasn't been a super elite CB this season in my view, but he's one of the best players in our division. I wasn't thrilled when Minnesota gave him the 6-year, $78M extension last summer - he's a guy you hate to face.
Back to Funchess versus Rhodes....If I didn't have a bye this week, I would be starting Gordon as my WR3 and putting Devin in the Flex over Collins (@PIT), Mixon (concussed), Smith-Schuster (suspended), and Woods (out.) But the Panthers literally have no where else to go outside, none of their other WRs are ready for prime time. CMC is the only other productive part of the passing attack. And Cam is Cam, he's not precise and much of his effectiveness comes from running. Olsen is practicing in full and should play a lot of snaps so maybe he is more involved this week, but the Vikings are pretty good at defending TEs. Funchess is 17th in targets, 20th in yards, 10th in TDs, on pace for 120/72-937-8 - he's having a decent season, been relatively consistent. I don't think this figures to be one of his better weeks but he has had an OK floor in the six weeks since the trade.
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Very interesting! The World's Most Interesting Man for sad people? I take it you are not Andras Arato?