It is hard to separate Ebron the player and Ebron the person. I liked him in Detroit because he said the dumbest things all the time and was entertaining in a comedic type of way. Of course that is the reason why so many Detroit fans despised him. Hopefully in Indy he will keep quiet and just play. There is no doubt he has ability..but after watching him his whole career he makes too many mental mistakes during the course of a game. FF players could care less about that but it will drive Indy fans nuts.
Also a lot of questions about his starting QB. If Luck comes back full strength its all good from that side of the equation.It is hard to separate Ebron the player and Ebron the person. I liked him in Detroit because he said the dumbest things all the time and was entertaining in a comedic type of way. Of course that is the reason why so many Detroit fans despised him. Hopefully in Indy he will keep quiet and just play. There is no doubt he has ability..but after watching him his whole career he makes too many mental mistakes during the course of a game. FF players could care less about that but it will drive Indy fans nuts.
I think it was a positive for Doyle, so possible, but I expect Ebron to run considerably deeper routes.But if not Good Luck, good luck increasing his numbers going from Stafford to Jacoby Brissett.
Indy Star's Stephen Holder writes Eric Ebron "has been among the more impressive Colts" during the offseason program.
Ebron has been used all over the formation by new coach Frank Reich. "He’s really smart," Reich said. "And that’s really good because you want to use a guy with the versatility that he has and move him around and call all kinds of things with him." Even with Jack Doyle atop the depth chart, Ebron should see his fair share of targets in an offense desperate for playmakers behind T.Y. Hilton. He is a fine late-round stab in deeper leagues.
Source: Indianapolis Star
Jun 18 - 10:23 AM
Sell high? Or do we think he stays relevant when Hilton and Doyle come back?Let’s hear it for the big guy, that might have been the biggest TE FFP game so far this year. And he could have gotten another TD. Makes sense considering Hilton and the deficiencies on the line. Anyway huge performance.
He’s been a red zone target in his own right. Doyle certainly concerns me. This reminds me a little of Engram last year with the combination of factors resulting in the QB relying on him.Sell high? Or do we think he stays relevant when Hilton and Doyle come back?
Not concerned about Doyle in the least. He wins in ways that Doyle cannot. I think he'll be Luck's second favorite target behind TY all year.Sell high? Or do we think he stays relevant when Hilton and Doyle come back?
Eric Ebron caught 9-of-15 targets for 105 yards and two touchdowns in the Colts' Week 5 loss to the Patriots.
Operating as the No. 1 receiver for the Colts' epically banged up offense — to say nothing of the hollowed-out defense — Ebron posted a new career high for targets while notching his first 100-yard game. True to form, Ebron also committed a drop or two, but he was finding space against the second and third levels of the Patriots' defense. His Week 6 fantasy status against the Jets will depend on Jack Doyle and T.Y. Hilton's health.
Oct 4 - 11:43 PM
He is the second best receiver in the offense, so I'm inclined to believe he's a hold. He's going to have a decent year by volume alone.Sell high? Or do we think he stays relevant when Hilton and Doyle come back?
he was nursing a knee a little perhaps that was the issueI think he's a much better match for Luck than Stafford, Luck has a lot more touch and placement on his passes. I thought he looked slow on the one pass that he caught across the field though, I was really surprised he didn't run away on that because I remember him as being a lot faster than I saw last night.
I'm very concerned about Doyle. It's true he wins in a way that Doyle can't but you can't win when you are not on the field and Ebron's snap count and usage was drastically lower the first two games that Doyle played. I think no Doyle helped save Ebron in weeks 3-4 when he was in the game catching a lot of short passes the D was basically giving up. I think in most of those situations that would have been Doyle catching those passes.Not concerned about Doyle in the least. He wins in ways that Doyle cannot.
Relevant for sure and I don't think Hilton has any impact. In TE premium and single PPR leagues in the second half of the season last year he was on a limited snap count, similar to what you saw the first two weeks, and he #5 TE second half of the season PPG scoring in that role and that was just scoring one TD. I'd have to guess right now he's among the league leaders in red zone targets right now and the only game he did not catch a TD he had two passes that may not be official drops but passes in the end zone he should have caught.Sell high? Or do we think he stays relevant when Hilton and Doyle come back?
Whoa!The first four games (and especially last night) allowed for luck and Ebron to cement some serious chemistry. You can tell that luck looks for him all over the field. I think Doyle coming back will take some of those targets, but Ebron is still good for 6-7 targets per game and glue gets lost of the red zone love. He’s probably a top 5 TE ROS.
Take why I said in the context of the wasteland that is TE this year. You’ve got Gronk, Kelce, Ertz, and I guess cook. After that, not crazy to think Ebron...Whoa!
Since I posed the initial Ebron question, I may as well share my take on it. I think as long as he's the only game in town, he'll be a top-5 TE, we have heard nothing on Doyle at all, and Hilton seems 50-50 for week 6. When Hilton comes back, Ebron will likely lose some targets, specifically the ones downfield, where he was the first read, he may gain YPC as he'll have more space on his shorter looks. However, when Doyle comes back, I think he'll take those shorter looks, and Ebron will function more as a part time slot reciever.
Basically, Hilton/Doyle out=Top-5 TE
Doyle out=Top-10 TE
Everyone healthy=Maybe still a TE1?
I'll still take a healthy Jordan Reed over Cook or Ebron. But yeah, it drops off pretty fast.Take why I said in the context of the wasteland that is TE this year. You’ve got Gronk, Kelce, Ertz, and I guess cook. After that, not crazy to think Ebron...
Eric Ebron (shin, quad, ankle, knee) remained sidelined on Thursday.
We would like to think the Colts are just managing Ebron's reps, but any time you are listed with four different injuries and post back-to-back DNPs, it's not exactly a good sign. That's especially true since the Colts are on their "mini" bye after last week's Thursday night game. We would ultimately still consider Ebron on the right side of questionable. He has missed a lot of practice this year. We will have a good idea by Friday.
Source: George Bremer on Twitter
Oct 11 - 1:19 PM
He's been awesome. Just keep milking the cash cow for all you can get out of it until Doyle/Hilton are back. He should still have value even after that but I'm loving having him out there as the top receiving threat on a passing team.Ebron had the 2nd highest point total for TEs this week (pending Kittle and Graham) and in 0.5 ppr he is has scored the 2nd most points on the season, just 0.4 points behind Ertz.
Observations: Eric Ebron had buoyed Jack Doyle’s (hip) absence the past five games into elite tight end usage and an ensuing top-three ranking on the year. With Doyle back in the lineup Sunday, though, Ebron’s previous averages of 10 targets and 37.8 routes plummeted to three and 10. Ebron was inevitably in on just 18% of the Colts’ offensive snaps, too, whereas he was previously playing 75% as the team’s interim starter. With Doyle (6/70/1 Sunday) presumably healthy, Ebron need be downgraded to a boom-bust touchdown-dependent TE1 (as opposed to one guaranteed volume)
I would wait to see the snap counts before making any decisions. I think the weekly play is Doyle, and Ebron makes for a terrific insurance policy.Same here. I got both Doyle and Ebron.
Played Doyle this week.
Both got only 3 targets.....
Not sure who to play moving forward. Throw there names in a hat and pick one?? Get another TE??
At TE, at least in my leagues (non-PPR), a TD makes your week. Your TD scores a TD, he finishes as a TE1 more often than not. Ebron has, so far, scored most weeks. If/when he gets 50+ yards, that is a bonus. He doesn't play as much as Doyle, but he is scoring TDs. If I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Ebron.I would wait to see the snap counts before making any decisions. I think the weekly play is Doyle, and Ebron makes for a terrific insurance policy.
Even in 1.5 PPR TE premium leagues if you isolate Ebron to just the games that Doyle played he's putting up 16.95 points to Doyle's 12.9 points.At TE, at least in my leagues (non-PPR), a TD makes your week. Your TD scores a TD, he finishes as a TE1 more often than not. Ebron has, so far, scored most weeks. If/when he gets 50+ yards, that is a bonus. He doesn't play as much as Doyle, but he is scoring TDs. If I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Ebron.
See reply above. Ebron got 17 snaps yesterday to Doyle's 48. On the season in games together Ebron is averaging 23 snaps a game and Doyle is at 60 but in any format Ebron has been the better fantasy player.I would wait to see the snap counts before making any decisions. I think the weekly play is Doyle, and Ebron makes for a terrific insurance policy.
Same here. I got both Doyle and Ebron.
Played Doyle this week.
Both got only 3 targets.....
Not sure who to play moving forward. Throw there names in a hat and pick one?? Get another TE??
I think you are right in making that trade, especially in a dynasty. In a redraft, however, I’m inclined to ride the TD streak out & hope it lasts the season.If you feel Ebron is going to continue scoring TDs nearly every week, he's a must start and a guy you keep. If you feel that he's due to regress in the TD department, then getting a few targets and running 20 routes a game isn't going to net you many good weeks.
I cashed in and sold him for Christian Kirk in a dynasty league last week where TE's get 1.5 PPR and you can start 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 2 or 3 flex players every week. Maybe his value would be higher this week, but as long as his playing time or number of targets/routes doesn't change, he's someone I have a hard time believing will continue to score this way.
I don't feel like Ebron is going to continue to keep this TD pace. But one of the big reasons why I liked him so much coming into this season was that he finished the second half last year as a part time player for the Lions, averaged 30 snaps a game, and was a top 5 TE during that stretch putting up over 14 fantasy points a game in 1.5 PPR format. ETA-He did that last year with a modest TD pace of 3 in 8 games, a pace of 6 for the season.If you feel Ebron is going to continue scoring TDs nearly every week, he's a must start and a guy you keep. If you feel that he's due to regress in the TD department, then getting a few targets and running 20 routes a game isn't going to net you many good weeks.
I cashed in and sold him for Christian Kirk in a dynasty league last week where TE's get 1.5 PPR and you can start 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 2 or 3 flex players every week. Maybe his value would be higher this week, but as long as his playing time or number of targets/routes doesn't change, he's someone I have a hard time believing will continue to score this way.
If you believe Kirk is a big time talent but Ebron is the more productive player right now at a more difficult position to fill in TE premium leagues, still young, and both he and Doyle's contracts run out at end of next year so it's not like he is forever cast in a low snap count role. I think it's a close trade but the TE premium leagues I have Ebron I would not give him up for Kirk myself, but those leagues also only require you to start 2 WR's and not 3.I think you are right in making that trade, especially in a dynasty. In a redraft, however, I’m inclined to ride the TD streak out & hope it lasts the season.
Yeah, starting 2 WRs instead of 3+ is a huge difference.If you believe Kirk is a big time talent but Ebron is the more productive player right now at a more difficult position to fill in TE premium leagues, still young, and both he and Doyle's contracts run out at end of next year so it's not like he is forever cast in a low snap count role. I think it's a close trade but the TE premium leagues I have Ebron I would not give him up for Kirk myself, but those leagues also only require you to start 2 WR's and not 3.
As a person who works in data analytics, I'm always assuming regression vs opportunity. From a pure numbers perspective, Ebron's scoring seems really flukey. But, it can certainly continue, no doubt. I think they are both quality plays this season, but Ebron's floor is going to be really low on a couple of weeks in the future (statistically).Even in 1.5 PPR TE premium leagues if you isolate Ebron to just the games that Doyle played he's putting up 16.95 points to Doyle's 12.9 points.
See reply above. Ebron got 17 snaps yesterday to Doyle's 48. On the season in games together Ebron is averaging 23 snaps a game and Doyle is at 60 but in any format Ebron has been the better fantasy player.
I think Doyle feels safer due to the higher snap count. And if you planning to watch the game it sure feels better when you see your player on the field with at least a fighting chance to score on a given play but reality is the snap counts have not been a good indicator on who to use between the two.
My cousin has him on one of his teams and he benched him because he was listening to hop heads like Berry saying that Ebron is TD dependent with Doyle back in the line up.I benched this guy this week but still not sure what to do with him going forward. 3 targets and 3 TDs?
Every te not named Ertz and Kelce has a low floor. I understand TDs are variable but you cant ignore past production. Ebron is this team's first RZ read and as I don't expect that to change, his chance at a td every week shouldn't change either.tricky92 said:As a person who works in data analytics, I'm always assuming regression vs opportunity. From a pure numbers perspective, Ebron's scoring seems really flukey. But, it can certainly continue, no doubt. I think they are both quality plays this season, but Ebron's floor is going to be really low on a couple of weeks in the future (statistically).
Both were blown coverages too. Nobody covered Ebron on both his TD catches. Luck spotted that right away.guy has been receiving less than 35 percent snaps and a handful of targets but he continues to convert the targets to tds..
And on the TD catch by Mo Allie Cox, Ebron had broke wide open for what would have likely been an even easier TD then the one Luck threw to Cox.Both were blown coverages too. Nobody covered Ebron on both his TD catches. Luck spotted that right away.
Observations: Jack Doyle ran 21 routes on 49-of-56 offensive snaps (88%) Sunday, but it amounted to just three targets and 36 yards. Eric Ebron ran 12 routes on 21 snaps (38%), but it somehow led to three targets and two touchdowns. In the four games Doyle’s played, Ebron’s run 66 fewer routes (122 to 56) and seen 10 fewer targets (25 to 15) as the team’s backup tight end, but has somehow managed to score four more touchdowns than Doyle (5 to 1) in those outings. It’s obviously unsustainable production (though I said that last week and here we are).