TE Isaiah Likely, BAL (2 Viewers)

[Dez]

Likely hot past two weeks, and this week goes against the 32nd ranked Bengals. Why is he ranked TE17 by FBG? Is this the Andrews effect?
Injuries killing me, so I have to start him at flex first week of playoffs. Hoping for a shootout and a game like Fannin last week

17th is a strange ranking considering Andrews has sucked lately and Likely would have had back to back 20 point plus games it not for a fluke fumble and a dumb ref overturn call.

I am playing him

If you had both Andrews and Likely would you have the balls to bench Andrews in favor of Likely?

I am benching Andrews for Likely in a couple leagues I own both.

If Andrews doesn't score a TD he is about worthless.

Maybe both guys do good but Andrews lately is tough guy to start. He cost me my cutline championship last week with 1.9 pts when all I needed was about 8 pts now I have to fight back in from the WC round so I am playing Fannin over him if I had that last week I would still be in there.

Last 3 weeks

Week 14 - 1 catch for 9 yards (was with like less than 1 minute left or he would have goosed)
Week 13 - 4 for 47
Week 12 - 1 for 9 with 2 yards rushing
Week 11 - 3 for 32 and was about to be dead in the water but he got a lucky 35 yard TD run late in 4th on a fake tush push
Week 10 - 3 for 14 with a TD
Week 9 - 2 for 22 with 2 TD's
Week 8 - 3 for 34

Is that a guy you can trust ?

Likely the last 2 weeks has been explosive and if not for the 2 TD decables he would have 20+ point games in both.

If they were not playing Cincy I would bench both.

 

[Doubles]

Should I sit Warren for this dude?? I am down bad facing Pitts, JSN, Josh Allen, Etienne, and Bijan. Typing that out seems insane as this team barely made the playoffs with that roster. I need multiple 40 burgers.

 

[Largent]

Should I sit Warren for this dude?? I am down bad facing Pitts, JSN, Josh Allen, Etienne, and Bijan. Typing that out seems insane as this team barely made the playoffs with that roster. I need multiple 40 burgers.

The floor is Warren, the ceiling could be Likely. I could see Rivers hitting Warren often though....2 practices, he's gauging who his most trusted guy would be, and betting its Warren...stick with him.

 

[higgins]

Should I sit Warren for this dude?? I am down bad facing Pitts, JSN, Josh Allen, Etienne, and Bijan. Typing that out seems insane as this team barely made the playoffs with that roster. I need multiple 40 burgers.

The floor is Warren, the ceiling could be Likely. I could see Rivers hitting Warren often though....2 practices, he's gauging who his most trusted guy would be, and betting its Warren...stick with him.

You mention that Rivers is gauging who his most trusted guy will be after 2 practices….and conclude that it will be Warren. Pittman caught 40 in-game receptions (for 500 yards) from Rivers when Pittman was a rookie. Other than “gut feel”, is there anything of substance that led you to that conclusion?

 

[Largent]

Should I sit Warren for this dude?? I am down bad facing Pitts, JSN, Josh Allen, Etienne, and Bijan. Typing that out seems insane as this team barely made the playoffs with that roster. I need multiple 40 burgers.

The floor is Warren, the ceiling could be Likely. I could see Rivers hitting Warren often though....2 practices, he's gauging who his most trusted guy would be, and betting its Warren...stick with him.

You mention that Rivers is gauging who his most trusted guy will be after 2 practices….and conclude that it will be Warren. Pittman caught 40 in-game receptions (for 500 yards) from Rivers when Pittman was a rookie. Other than “gut feel”, is there anything of substance that led you to that conclusion?

Short passes, and Warren is their best pass catcher

 

[higgins]

Should I sit Warren for this dude?? I am down bad facing Pitts, JSN, Josh Allen, Etienne, and Bijan. Typing that out seems insane as this team barely made the playoffs with that roster. I need multiple 40 burgers.

The floor is Warren, the ceiling could be Likely. I could see Rivers hitting Warren often though....2 practices, he's gauging who his most trusted guy would be, and betting its Warren...stick with him.

You mention that Rivers is gauging who his most trusted guy will be after 2 practices….and conclude that it will be Warren. Pittman caught 40 in-game receptions (for 500 yards) from Rivers when Pittman was a rookie. Other than “gut feel”, is there anything of substance that led you to that conclusion?

Short passes, and Warren is their best pass catcher

Pittman is extremely good as a short/intermediate receiver & has seasons of 99 & 109 receptions under his belt. I hope Warren has a great game though!

 

[Largent]

I doubt anyone has a good game for Indy.

 

[zoonation]

Should I sit Warren for this dude?? I am down bad facing Pitts, JSN, Josh Allen, Etienne, and Bijan. Typing that out seems insane as this team barely made the playoffs with that roster. I need multiple 40 burgers.

The floor is Warren, the ceiling could be Likely. I could see Rivers hitting Warren often though....2 practices, he's gauging who his most trusted guy would be, and betting its Warren...stick with him.

Likely is the safer floor and the ceiling.

 

[JohnnyU]

Likely hot past two weeks, and this week goes against the 32nd ranked Bengals. Why is he ranked TE17 by FBG? Is this the Andrews effect?
Injuries killing me, so I have to start him at flex first week of playoffs. Hoping for a shootout and a game like Fannin last week

17th is a strange ranking considering Andrews has sucked lately and Likely would have had back to back 20 point plus games it not for a fluke fumble and a dumb ref overturn call.

I am playing him

If you had both Andrews and Likely would you have the balls to bench Andrews in favor of Likely?

Well, I developed a pair of balls and benched Andrews for Likely. Now watch those balls shrink to the size of peanuts when this backfires on me. You've been warned.

 

[kinghill]

Going to keep Hockenson starting instead of picking up Likely.

cue Likely 90 yds and 2 td today.

 

[JohnnyU]

Going to keep Hockenson starting instead of picking up Likely.

cue Likely 90 yds and 2 td today.

Hockenson has been a bum this year hasn't he? I would play Likely over him in a heartbeat.

 

[efactor]

Going to keep Hockenson starting instead of picking up Likely.

cue Likely 90 yds and 2 td today.

Hockenson has been a bum this year hasn't he? I would play Likely over him in a heartbeat.

Would you play Likely over Jajon Johnson in full PPR?

 

[JohnnyU]

Going to keep Hockenson starting instead of picking up Likely.

cue Likely 90 yds and 2 td today.

Hockenson has been a bum this year hasn't he? I would play Likely over him in a heartbeat.

Would you play Likely over Jajon Johnson in full PPR?

I assume you mean Juwan Johnson. I'd play Likely over him as well.

 

[kinghill]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

 

[JohnnyU]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as a option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

 

[jobarules]

Should I sit Warren for this dude?? I am down bad facing Pitts, JSN, Josh Allen, Etienne, and Bijan. Typing that out seems insane as this team barely made the playoffs with that roster. I need multiple 40 burgers.

I am. The prop lines convinced me. All Likelys odds are better

 

[The General]

MIA

 

[renesauz]

Did someone actually sit Warren for Likely?

 

[menobrown]

MIA

Yep, not a single target, can't even recall seeing him.

I sat some quality dudes for this guy this week. Feel stupid.

 

[kinghill]

Likely losing

 

[Guss]

Ravens OC is a clown, only team that does not throw to their TE's against the Bengals

Every team has exploited how bad they are covering TE's, this clown thinks he's reinventing the wheel with
his game plan today Idiot!

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Should I sit Warren for this dude?? I am down bad facing Pitts, JSN, Josh Allen, Etienne, and Bijan. Typing that out seems insane as this team barely made the playoffs with that roster. I need multiple 40 burgers.

I am. The prop lines convinced me. All Likelys odds are better

MIA

Yep, not a single target, can't even recall seeing him.

one wonders if there is a connection

 

[Largent]

WOOF

 

[brian98]

poop nuggets

 

[JohnnyU]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as an option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

Both sucked against the worst defense against TEs. Watcha gonna do?

 

[finfansteve]

Benched pitts for likely this week. What a catastrophic decision that was

 

[Guss]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as an option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

Both sucked against the worst defense against TEs. Watcha gonna do?

It is not on the players it is the OC and his game plan

His game plan did not include throwing to the TE for whatever reason
Like I said many of these guy's think they are the smartest guy in the room and do things the hard way
to show how good they are

 

[kinghill]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as an option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

Both sucked against the worst defense against TEs. Watcha gonna do?

It is not on the players it is the OC and his game plan

His game plan did not include throwing to the TE for whatever reason
Like I said many of these guy's think they are the smartest guy in the room and do things the hard way
to show how good they are

It's not the OC. It's not the game plan. It's ff forums. If we didn't log on we all would have made better decisions than we did today. This self-reinforcing echo chamber leading us to making worse decisions. We sign on to find that one missing piece just for the thrill of the last minute decision, but it's only over-thinking and second-guessing our original decisions.

Forever I will keep chasing the hype.

 

[The Kerminator]

Benched pitts for likely this week. What a catastrophic decision that was

Goedert here

 

[zamboni]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as an option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

Both sucked against the worst defense against TEs. Watcha gonna do?

It is not on the players it is the OC and his game plan

His game plan did not include throwing to the TE for whatever reason
Like I said many of these guy's think they are the smartest guy in the room and do things the hard way
to show how good they are

It's not the OC. It's not the game plan. It's ff forums. If we didn't log on we all would have made better decisions than we did today. This self-reinforcing echo chamber leading us to making worse decisions. We sign on to find that one missing piece just for the thrill of the last minute decision, but it's only over-thinking and second-guessing our original decisions.

Forever I will keep chasing the hype.

Every fantasy pundit out there seemed to be pounding the table for Likely (and Andrews) because the Bengals were the worst team by far against TEs.

But that’s why they play the games - all the analysis these guys do are well intended and to build a following, but at the end of the day it’s educated guess work. Definitely have learned the hard way to trust my own gut.

 

[rockaction]

Benched pitts for likely this week. What a catastrophic decision that was

Oh, my dude. Very sorry. I went to post the ASCII shrug guy but he’s insouciant.

Sorry.

 

[SanDawg]

Benched pitts for likely this week. What a catastrophic decision that was

Goedert here

Same here...somehow I still managed a win yesterday. Dropping Likely very quickly this week.

 

[kyoun1e]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as an option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

Both sucked against the worst defense against TEs. Watcha gonna do?

It is not on the players it is the OC and his game plan

His game plan did not include throwing to the TE for whatever reason
Like I said many of these guy's think they are the smartest guy in the room and do things the hard way
to show how good they are

It's not the OC. It's not the game plan. It's ff forums. If we didn't log on we all would have made better decisions than we did today. This self-reinforcing echo chamber leading us to making worse decisions. We sign on to find that one missing piece just for the thrill of the last minute decision, but it's only over-thinking and second-guessing our original decisions.

Forever I will keep chasing the hype.

Not sure I agree that it's not on the OC.

How do you not target Likely with a single target against a Cinci D that is historically bad against TEs?

It should have been like hitting the easy button for Jackson.

And not to mention, throwing only 12 times.

 

[KellysHeroes]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as an option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

Both sucked against the worst defense against TEs. Watcha gonna do?

It is not on the players it is the OC and his game plan

His game plan did not include throwing to the TE for whatever reason
Like I said many of these guy's think they are the smartest guy in the room and do things the hard way
to show how good they are

It's not the OC. It's not the game plan. It's ff forums. If we didn't log on we all would have made better decisions than we did today. This self-reinforcing echo chamber leading us to making worse decisions. We sign on to find that one missing piece just for the thrill of the last minute decision, but it's only over-thinking and second-guessing our original decisions.

Forever I will keep chasing the hype.

Not sure I agree that it's not on the OC.

How do you not target Likely with a single target against a Cinci D that is historically bad against TEs?

It should have been like hitting the easy button for Jackson.

And not to mention, throwing only 12 times.

time of possession, keep the ball away and beat them down

 

[kyoun1e]

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as an option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

Both sucked against the worst defense against TEs. Watcha gonna do?

It is not on the players it is the OC and his game plan

His game plan did not include throwing to the TE for whatever reason
Like I said many of these guy's think they are the smartest guy in the room and do things the hard way
to show how good they are

It's not the OC. It's not the game plan. It's ff forums. If we didn't log on we all would have made better decisions than we did today. This self-reinforcing echo chamber leading us to making worse decisions. We sign on to find that one missing piece just for the thrill of the last minute decision, but it's only over-thinking and second-guessing our original decisions.

Forever I will keep chasing the hype.

Not sure I agree that it's not on the OC.

How do you not target Likely with a single target against a Cinci D that is historically bad against TEs?

It should have been like hitting the easy button for Jackson.

And not to mention, throwing only 12 times.

time of possession, keep the ball away and beat them down

Seems to be the strategy every single game.

 

[jobarules]

I cant believe he got 0 targets

@JohnnyU very high on Likely today

alright man you convinced me

Likely over Hock the bum

I have the right to plead ignorance if it doesn't work out. Hell, when you also have Andrews as an option for the Ravens against the worst defense vs TEs, it could backfire and Andrews gets what I hope Likely gets.

Both sucked against the worst defense against TEs. Watcha gonna do?

It is not on the players it is the OC and his game plan

His game plan did not include throwing to the TE for whatever reason
Like I said many of these guy's think they are the smartest guy in the room and do things the hard way
to show how good they are

It's not the OC. It's not the game plan. It's ff forums. If we didn't log on we all would have made better decisions than we did today. This self-reinforcing echo chamber leading us to making worse decisions. We sign on to find that one missing piece just for the thrill of the last minute decision, but it's only over-thinking and second-guessing our original decisions.

Forever I will keep chasing the hype.

Not sure I agree that it's not on the OC.

How do you not target Likely with a single target against a Cinci D that is historically bad against TEs?

It should have been like hitting the easy button for Jackson.

And not to mention, throwing only 12 times.

Ljax threw 12 times total and they won 24-0.

It really wasnt an OC thing, it was more a game flow thing. Bengals offense was pathetic.

 

[JohnnyU]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

 

[zamboni]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

And he'll be dropped by most teams and/or sitting on benches and will go off on Sunday.

 

[kinghill]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

I disagree. Leaving Likely on the bench would have been the proper way to maximize success.

 

[JohnnyU]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

I disagree. Leaving Likely on the bench would have been the proper way to maximize success.

hindsight is 20/20.

 

[kyoun1e]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

I disagree. Leaving Likely on the bench would have been the proper way to maximize success.

Did you say this before kickoff as well? Lol.

 

[zamboni]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

I disagree. Leaving Likely on the bench would have been the proper way to maximize success.

I don't think you'd find many - if any - fantasy pundits that weren't pounding the table to start Likely given the Bengals' dismal track record against TEs as well as the potential for a shootout.

As mentioned above, that's why they play the games and they aren't played on paper.

 

[jobarules]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

I disagree. Leaving Likely on the bench would have been the proper way to maximize success.

Meh. Likely was a good play. I got a 0 and it sucks but the alternative was Warren who also had a horrendous game and the main reason I rolled the dice on Likely in the first place. If I had a crystal ball I would've played Parkinson over both of them.

 

[Golden Gopher]

I benched Schultz for Likely and Maye for Burrow and it cost me. Brutal. Nobody's fault but my own, but doesn't make it any easier to watch unfold.

 

[Footballdaz]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

I disagree. Leaving Likely on the bench would have been the proper way to maximize success.

Meh. Likely was a good play. I got a 0 and it sucks but the alternative was Warren who also had a horrendous game and the main reason I rolled the dice on Likely in the first place. If I had a crystal ball I would've played Parkinson over both of them.

I wouldn't of thought twice Abt starting Parkinson over Likely n Warren. One playing in 10 degree temps with hard slippery ball and more of a run game script weather.
The other had guy tossing nerf ball to grandkids last few years. .

With Adams hurting,Higabee out,and Parkinson being top 5-8 TE the last 6 weeks,playing in dome,in a shootout.
Easy peasy.

I breezed through first round of playoffs,with over 210 points this week with the help of 25 points from Cody.

 

[jobarules]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

I disagree. Leaving Likely on the bench would have been the proper way to maximize success.

Meh. Likely was a good play. I got a 0 and it sucks but the alternative was Warren who also had a horrendous game and the main reason I rolled the dice on Likely in the first place. If I had a crystal ball I would've played Parkinson over both of them.

I wouldn't of thought twice Abt starting Parkinson over Likely n Warren. One playing in 10 degree temps with hard slippery ball and more of a run game script weather.
The other had guy tossing nerf ball to grandkids last few years. .

With Adams hurting,Higabee out,and Parkinson being top 5-8 TE the last 6 weeks,playing in dome,in a shootout.
Easy peasy.

I breezed through first round of playoffs,with over 210 points this week with the help of 25 points from Cody.

Yep unfortunately I didnt see your comment in his thread until today. It was a great call by you. Never even crossed my mind to play Parkinson.

BTW this is the problem I have with fantasy sites now. They all pretty much have the same rankings, and hot pickups. There's way too much group think. Now a guy like you that had great foresight to post about Parkinson slips under the radar. Parkinson had an ECR of 21. How is it you were smarter than every other forecasters out there?

 

[Guss]

Think I am done with Fantasy sites after this season, they are good for one thing information gathering in one place

Honestly have looked at lots of fantasy sites and not one guy is any good or better than any of us, in fact many of them suck at what they charge money for
I don't have lots of time but am going to make a little time on my own again, these sites/guy's suck!

I make far better decisions when I have time to gather info than these bozo's, did better when I made the decisions instead of going off
what these bozo's give for info/opinion

 

[menobrown]

Started him in 4 different 1.5 TEP leagues where next man up in each one was Zay, Goedert, Rico and Charbonnet.

Pulled out the Zay and Charbonnet spots so no harm no foul.

The other two are national tournaments with 3 weeks total point points and this stings, especially the Goedert call, how much it stings remains to be seen.

This certainly had me upset yesterday and it's still lingering with me but I'm not upset fantasy sites that ranked him high and believe this is simply a case were a sound process and decision making lead to a poor unexpected result.

 

[rockaction]

It's like blackjack, you can play the proper way to maximize success, but that doesn't mean you will win. Playing either Likely or Andrews against the worst team in the NFL against TEs was the right blackjack play, but due to game script with few passes by Jackson, you still lost with their TEs. As a fantasy player you really don't have much of a choice here. As a fantasy player you made the right blackjack play using the Ravens TEs.

I disagree. Leaving Likely on the bench would have been the proper way to maximize success.

 

[warpig33]

Think I am done with Fantasy sites after this season, they are good for one thing information gathering in one place

Honestly have looked at lots of fantasy sites and not one guy is any good or better than any of us, in fact many of them suck at what they charge money for
I don't have lots of time but am going to make a little time on my own again, these sites/guy's suck!

I make far better decisions when I have time to gather info than these bozo's, did better when I made the decisions instead of going off
what these bozo's give for info/opinion

I played in a fantasy league with a guy for years. He was a guy that didn't play football and really didn't know much about the game. I swear he would just throw darts at who he drafted. But the guy would win ALL THE TIME! I'll never forget what he would always say..."Better to be lucky than good." So true. We can sit here and run algorithms, crunch numbers, track tendencies, etc and submit the LIKELY HIGHEST SCORING lineup and still lose because of fluky BS. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.