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TE Kyle Pitts, ATL (1 Viewer)

Sam Quentin said:
to be fair…and we knew this before our FF drafts, he is used heavily like a WR, and WRs have shown that they are reasonably pro ready as rookies in recent years…
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Yup. I’ve been saying it since the draft. Pitts is a gigantic WR, not a TE they have guys to block. Pitts isn’t that guy.

 
TripItUp said:
ouch, another underwhelming performance for Pitts drafters that reached on him in the 4th or 5th...seems like a pick like this is how you lose at fantasy football.
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Pitts had 29.8 points in my league this week. 

Your boy Logan Thomas who you “could get twice the production at half the cost” is out until week 8 or later. He scored 0 today. 

Kittle, a 2nd rounder, just went on the IR. 

Hockenson spent most of today blocking 

~30 points from a 5th round TE (again, his ADP for all but the last couple weeks of the preseason) seems like a very good way to win at FF, which would be the opposite of your statement above. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Pitts had 29.8 points in my league this week. 

Your boy Logan Thomas who you “could get twice the production at half the cost” is out until week 8 or later. He scored 0 today. 

Kittle, a 2nd rounder, just went on the IR. 

Hockenson spent most of today blocking 

~30 points from a 5th round TE (again, his ADP for all but the last couple weeks of the preseason) seems like a very good way to win at FF, which would be the opposite of your statement above. 
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Bumping an old post and taking injury victory laps to make your point is an amateur move

Pitts is going to be a problem. He’s going to eat as he develops more builds more chemistry with Ryan.

 
dipandglide said:
Bumping an old post and taking injury victory laps to make your point is an amateur move
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Trip was all over this topic for weeks bashing Pitts.  People bump my old posts all the time. We go out on limbs & sometimes they break. 

This one wholeheartedly deserved to get called out, but you’re welcome to your opinion. 

dipandglide said:
Pitts is going to be a problem. He’s going to eat as he develops more builds more chemistry with Ryan.
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This I agree with. I’ve been on him since the draft & made him the centerpiece of my dynasty rebuild. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
~30 points from a 5th round TE (again, his ADP for all but the last couple weeks of the preseason) seems like a very good way to win at FF, which would be the opposite of your statement above. 
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At TE, there was a lot of talk from the fantasy community that if they weren't getting one of the big dogs that they are fine punting because TE is such a wasteland. 

That fact seemed to me to make Pitts the #1 target at TE this year, at his draft position. Getting players who are week winners at TE is rare, I think it was smart to build your draft strategy around getting him in the 4th or 5th round. 

Lot to see yet, but he is clearly going to be really good, and is clearly getting targets.

 
TE in name only. He was outside or in the slot around 72% before yesterday, and I think only had a handful of snaps inline yesterday.

dude is a problem, have to account for him every play.

 
So who didn't start him this week.

:bye:   (me waving from the stupid corner)

had he and Robert Woods on my bench this week.  Still managed a W (probably unless Hines outscores Taylor by 15 points tonight). 

Any of you ever need advice who to start contact me, listen carefully, then do exactly the opposite if what I advise.  🤪

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Pitts had 29.8 points in my league this week. 

Your boy Logan Thomas who you “could get twice the production at half the cost” is out until week 8 or later. He scored 0 today. 

Kittle, a 2nd rounder, just went on the IR. 

Hockenson spent most of today blocking 

~30 points from a 5th round TE (again, his ADP for all but the last couple weeks of the preseason) seems like a very good way to win at FF, which would be the opposite of your statement above. 
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What a terribly short-sighted and lame posting.  Did you post the same thing after your 4th-5th round pick scored 7, 12, 5, and 9 points the first four weeks of the season?   Or just when he finally had a noteworthy game?

(I think Pitts will be really good, but him having one legitimate week out of five isn't validating whatever point you are trying to make as it relates to him yet having proving any real value at his ADP.  Additionally, comping him to injured TE's is ridiculous.)

 
SayWhat? said:
What a terribly short-sighted and lame posting.  Did you post the same thing after your 4th-5th round pick scored 7, 12, 5, and 9 points the first four weeks of the season?   Or just when he finally had a noteworthy game?

(I think Pitts will be really good, but him having one legitimate week out of five isn't validating whatever point you are trying to make as it relates to him yet having proving any real value at his ADP.  Additionally, comping him to injured TE's is ridiculous.)
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I think @Hot Sauce Guywas clapping back at guys like @TripItUp (I think it was you Trip, apologies if I am misremembering) for calling Pitts out after week 1 etc, which is just as short sighted.

 
SayWhat? said:
What a terribly short-sighted and lame posting.  Did you post the same thing after your 4th-5th round pick scored 7, 12, 5, and 9 points the first four weeks of the season?   Or just when he finally had a noteworthy game?
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I was posting it only to show the irony of Trip calling out Pitts for being a bust and ruining people's FF seasons like 20 times since the season started. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
That's exactly what I was doing. And it was Trip - that post I quoted was from allllll the way back 1 page. 
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Well that’s fine if you’re going to be that petty about feeling the need to call each other out about player projections/predictions.  And this isn’t pointed at just you.  
 

My point regarding your specific post was just that I probably wouldn’t feel very great about making the post you did about a player that just had his first good fantasy game in Week 5.  That one game hasn’t yet justified anything regarding his ADP.   In fact, he’s been essentially waiver replacement level in the other four weeks.  That said, hopefully this week was the start of something that Pitts and that offense can build on.

 
SayWhat? said:
Well that’s fine if you’re going to be that petty about feeling the need to call each other out about player projections/predictions.  And this isn’t pointed at just you.  
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Again: people call me out near daily on here for calls I've made. 

It's not about being "petty", it's about the sheer volume of Trip's posts negging Pitts, and bashing those who invested in him, dating back to the preseason. 

Check back a few pages & you'll see how far he goes in on this. It was completely his hill that he chose to die on, and as such it was absolutely deserving of being called out. 

SayWhat? said:
My point regarding your specific post was just that I probably wouldn’t feel very great about making the post you did about a player that just had his first good fantasy game in Week 5.  That one game hasn’t yet justified anything regarding his ADP.   In fact, he’s been essentially waiver replacement level in the other four weeks.  That said, hopefully this week was the start of something that Pitts and that offense can build on.
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It wasn't his 1st good FF game in week 5. He's been leading or tied for the lead on his team in targets, and he's produced well most weeks. 7.2, 12.6, 5.6, 9.3 are all above "waiver replacement" save for the 1 outlier game all the scrubs seem to have (Njoku this week, Friermouth one week, etc) - Pitts had one "bad" game week 3 with 5.6. 

The 29+ could be the start of something great - I am not saying he's going to keep scoring 29+. I'm just saying he's not been half as good as Logan Thomas, as Trip emphatically stated he would be in absolute terms.

 
Lol, I don't really want to partake much in the witch hunt.  If you look back on page 9 or 10, I was @Hot Sauce Guy's running mate on the Kyle Pitts hype-train.  Although, I will say - Hockenson, as the 6th TE selected in a redraft I am in, looked like a great buy.  I'm hoping they get back to throwing him the rock more. 

For the record, @TripItUp was completely fine waiting for names like Logan Thomas, Irv Smith and even Tyler Higbee - I believe.  I will say - if you were targeting those guys, I hope you drafted all of them because you are in TE committee hell. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Again: people call me out near daily on here for calls I've made. 

It's not about being "petty", it's about the sheer volume of Trip's posts negging Pitts, and bashing those who invested in him, dating back to the preseason. 

Check back a few pages & you'll see how far he goes in on this. It was completely his hill that he chose to die on, and as such it was absolutely deserving of being called out. 
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I don't think you're understanding my point.  "His hill to die on?"  If you're going to assess whether Pitts was worth a 4th-5th round ADP on a week-to-week basis or YTD thus far, you're the one that's died on the hill.  Pitts hasn't at all justified an ADP in that range thus far.  But I think weekly "call outs" the first five weeks of a season are ridiculous.

Hot Sauce Guy said:
It wasn't his 1st good FF game in week 5. He's been leading or tied for the lead on his team in targets, and he's produced well most weeks. 7.2, 12.6, 5.6, 9.3 are all above "waiver replacement" save for the 1 outlier game all the scrubs seem to have (Njoku this week, Friermouth one week, etc) - Pitts had one "bad" game week 3 with 5.6. 

The 29+ could be the start of something great - I am not saying he's going to keep scoring 29+. I'm just saying he's not been half as good as Logan Thomas, as Trip emphatically stated he would be in absolute terms.
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Dude, Kyle Pitts was TE20 through the first four weeks of the season.  If that's not waiver level replacement, I'm not sure what the definition would be.  You can't spin this any other way, and no, "leading a team in targets" doesn't score points nor matter when analyzing past performance.  Weekly ppr scores of 7.2, 12.6, 5.6, and 9.3 are not "producing well" (it's producing as TE20!) no matter which TE you're talking about, but especially not from a 4th-5th round pick. 

 
Back to Pitts.

Is there any danger that he will be reclassified as a WR like the RB/WR that do the other and get reclassified?

 
madmatg said:
Back to Pitts.

Is there any danger that he will be reclassified as a WR like the RB/WR that do the other and get reclassified?
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this was discussed up-thread a ways.

I’ve been playing this game for a long time & the only time I’ve ever seen that happen in fantasy sports is with baseball and only in systems like Yahoo where they “qualify” after a certain # of games played.

In RL football, the team is the one to determine that designation. As far as I know, so long as the Falcons call Pitts a TE on their depth chart, he will be listed as a TE. 

 
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SayWhat? said:
I don't think you're understanding my point.  "His hill to die on?"  If you're going to assess whether Pitts was worth a 4th-5th round ADP on a week-to-week basis or YTD thus far, you're the one that's died on the hill.  Pitts hasn't at all justified an ADP in that range thus far.  But I think weekly "call outs" the first five weeks of a season are ridiculous.
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I wasn’t the one calling a player a bust since before he ever took the field.

I wasn’t the one insulting those who took him in drafts. 

I’m not the one currently declaring anything other than the fact that Pitts is not, in fact, half as valuable as Thomas 5 rounds later. It is a factual statement. He was wrong.

Whether I’m right about Pitts ROS is certainly debatable, and time will tell.
 

I’m 100% certain I’ll get called out if he isn’t though,  because I get called out for everything else. 👍🏼

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
Lol, I don't really want to partake much in the witch hunt.  If you look back on page 9 or 10, I was @Hot Sauce Guy's running mate on the Kyle Pitts hype-train.  Although, I will say - Hockenson, as the 6th TE selected in a redraft I am in, looked like a great buy.  I'm hoping they get back to throwing him the rock more. 
 
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I saw some highlights of that game. It appears that with the many injuries to DET’s  OL, I’m not sure that’s going to happen.

He looked amazing the first few weeks - now he’s on blocking duty a lot more than what he’ll need to have an elite target share as a move TE. 

As the DET OL goes, so goes Hock. If they get healthy, he should go back to receiving. I expect TyWilliams will be back at some point as well, potentially further reducing his targets. 

 
Jamesinaz said:
So who didn't start him this week.

:bye:   (me waving from the stupid corner)

had he and Robert Woods on my bench this week.  Still managed a W (probably unless Hines outscores Taylor by 15 points tonight). 

Any of you ever need advice who to start contact me, listen carefully, then do exactly the opposite if what I advise.  🤪
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Yeah,  I benched him too, but at least I got Jaylen Waddle in his place

 
So now that Pitts has shown he's a threat, hopefully it will free up Ridley from double coverage after the bye. 

 
Insein said:
So now that Pitts has shown he's a threat, hopefully it will free up Ridley from double coverage after the bye. 
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There were also some uncharacteristically poor deep throws by Ryan in the first few games.

I’m optimistic, as last year they were the best in the league with that connection.

That said, I’m crossing my fingers right now hoping he is back after the BYE. Last I saw we still don’t know why he missed week 5 - I’m guessing a family member is ill, but haven’t seen anything concrete. 

 
Buck Bradcanon said:
David J. Gautieri

⁦‪@GuruFantasyWrld⁩

If you’re rebuilding in Dynasty, there isn’t a single non-QB more valuable than Kyle Pitts.

You can & should trade literally any non-QB for him straight up.

Even CMC.

10/11/21, 11:08 AM
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Dealt Hopkins for pick 1.08 (Ridley) and a 2nd shortly after the draft. Feels like a bargain now. 

 
ratbast said:
I’ve never been worried about Pitts. The Falcons offense has been worse than I expected. That’s my concern. 
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Yeah - the first month that was also my concern. 

That they beat the Jets isn't exactly instilling heaps of confidence moving forward, but it's nice to see Pitts so involved regardless. 

 
TripItUp said:
First good week...in week 5.

A tad early for victory laps.
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Trip is sorry he is late to the party - he's been on the waiver wire trying to find bargain replacements for Irv Smith, Logan Thomas and Tyler Higbee.  I kid. 

You have to admit - regardless of the production, Pitts has always received plenty of targets, rarely been asked to block and everything Trip said would happen hasn't.  Numbers like these are definitely not outside of the realm of possibility.  Do the Falcons suck?  Absolutely - but that wasn't why @TripItUp didn't want Pitts. 

The sole reason - Rookie TE's never pan out and they take time to grow.  My "HOT TAKE" - this year is the latest you'll be able to grab Pitts. 

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
My "HOT TAKE" - this year is the latest you'll be able to grab Pitts. 
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You may, maybe, possibly could have gotten him from me before last week (redraft). Even then I really wanted to see what he would do as the sole focus of the passing game and defensive game plan.

 
TripItUp said:
Do you understand why they are not the same?
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They're exactly the same. Small sample size, bold proclamations, sweeping generalizations. 

And Pitts has been quite a bit better than Thomas, no? Did you actually make that bet, btw? 

Thomas: 12/117/2

Pitts:  24/308/1

Math isn't my strongest suit, but that doesn't look like twice the production.

TJ Hockenson: 24/237/2 - his ADP was right around Pitts when I drafted at the end of August (5.01-5.06) but he's being used as a blocker right now, due to OL issues, so hard to trust going forward. 

Maybe we should compare him to Higbee or Tonyan, or Goedert, or Fant, or Gesicki?

Higbee: 17/166/2

Tonyan: 9/82/1

Goedert: 15/216/2

Fant: 21/176/2

Gesicki: 22/227/1

So the real late steal seems to be Gesicki so far.

Pitts, even with his slow start (much of which was on Ryan's slow start) still leads this group in receptions & yardage, and has had more targets as well. Projecting them for ROS, I would take Pitts over any of them. 

But the overarching point is that this was all argued in the context that there wasn't a drop-off at TE after the top 5-6. That was your case, and you basically insinuated that anyone who "reached" for Pitts was dumb, because they could get better production (twice, even) out of the later guys.

And 5 games seems like plenty of time to determine that isn't the case. 

 
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Pitts is WR - 36 right now, I believe.  

Considering positional scarcity and the fact you could come around and get a WR a round later and still have a top 35 WR; while the same cannot be said about TE's.  In fact, the argument early on was around the BIG 6 TE's.

Kelce
Waller
Kittle - I realize he is the odd man out due to injury (but was a risk we knew going into this).
Andrews
Hockenson
Pitts

The answer is - you take those guys over your 3rd WR.  If you don't adapt to that strategy, you might as well just quit fantasy football.

 
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