Teams concerned about Ingram's knee (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

According to NFL Network's Mike Lombardi, teams have growing concerns about the health of Alabama RB Mark Ingram's knee.

The 2009 Heisman winner had a knee scope just prior to the 2010 season. Lombardi suggested that Ingram has an arthritic condition which could cause him to be scratched off some boards, and said "I think it could cause him to slip (in the draft)." Lombardi already didn't think Ingram was a first-round lock. We've tentatively moved Ingram to No. 33 overall in our mock.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Sounds like teams are trying to get him to drop. Here comes new England or Indy snatching him up.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I'm thinking Leshoure over Ingram in some drafts. I may pass on him as well in one league.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Sounds like teams are trying to get him to drop. Here comes new England or Indy snatching him up.

I don't think this is the work of NFL teams.

 

[Go deep]

Sounds like teams are trying to get him to drop. Here comes new England or Indy snatching him up.

My thought is Miami is banking on him being there and are probably the ones responsible for this rumor.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Sounds like teams are trying to get him to drop. Here comes new England or Indy snatching him up.

My thought is Miami is banking on him being there and are probably the ones responsible for this rumor.

I would like to know more about this "arthritic condition". No way in hell I'm drafting him if he's got knee issues. I'll take LeShoure and be happy.

 

[Go deep]

Sounds like teams are trying to get him to drop. Here comes new England or Indy snatching him up.

I don't think this is the work of NFL teams.

Dont kid yourself, this stuff is always from the teams. You think Lombardi had his own doctor check it out? No, he is just reporting what he is hearing from NFL teams.

 

[Go deep]

Sounds like teams are trying to get him to drop. Here comes new England or Indy snatching him up.

My thought is Miami is banking on him being there and are probably the ones responsible for this rumor.

I would like to know more about this "arthritic condition". No way in hell I'm drafting him if he's got knee issues. I'll take LeShoure and be happy.

You will know the real deal after the draft. If Ingram falls then maybe there was some truth, but i would bet good money that doesnt happen. If i am Miami and really want Ingram at 15, i guarantee you will hear my team doctors "leaking" info that we arent 100% happy with everything we see.

 

[Nero]

According to NFL Network's Mike Lombardi, teams have growing concerns about the health of Alabama RB Mark Ingram's knee.

The 2009 Heisman winner had a knee scope just prior to the 2010 season. Lombardi suggested that Ingram has an arthritic condition which could cause him to be scratched off some boards, and said "I think it could cause him to slip (in the draft)." Lombardi already didn't think Ingram was a first-round lock. We've tentatively moved Ingram to No. 33 overall in our mock.

Have to agree. Even with a good knee, shouldnt be drafted in the first unless its really late.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Sounds like teams are trying to get him to drop. Here comes new England or Indy snatching him up.

I don't think this is the work of NFL teams.

Dont kid yourself, this stuff is always from the teams. You think Lombardi had his own doctor check it out? No, he is just reporting what he is hearing from NFL teams.

Sounds like the same thing that was happening with Adrian Peterson prior to the 2007 NFL Draft. Teams were "SO CONCERNED" with his broken collar bone and knee.....he was considered "FRAGILE". What a joke! He's been nothing but a monster. I hope this drops Ingram at #4 of rookie drafts.....where I have that pick in 2 of my 3 leagues!

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Sounds like teams are trying to get him to drop. Here comes new England or Indy snatching him up.

I don't think this is the work of NFL teams.

Dont kid yourself, this stuff is always from the teams. You think Lombardi had his own doctor check it out? No, he is just reporting what he is hearing from NFL teams.

Sounds like the same thing that was happening with Adrian Peterson prior to the 2007 NFL Draft. Teams were "SO CONCERNED" with his broken collar bone and knee.....he was considered "FRAGILE". What a joke! He's been nothing but a monster. I hope this drops Ingram to #4 of rookie drafts.....where I have that pick in 2 of my 3 leagues!

 

[NorrisB]

I learned after Malcolm Kelly not to disregard this type of material

 

[Dragon1952]

Arthritic condition! Good grief, I'm 58 and have arthritis in damn near every joint and can still manage over 5 miles per day on the treadmill at a 13 min. per mile pace, plus 2 weight lifting sessions per week. Ice, anti-inflammatories, hot tub and plenty of beer and premium vodka is all you need.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Arthritic condition! Good grief, I'm 58 and have arthritis in damn near every joint and can still manage over 5 miles per day on the treadmill at a 13 min. per mile pace, plus 2 weight lifting sessions per week. Ice, anti-inflammatories, hot tub and plenty of beer and premium vodka is all you need.

I know you are likely joking, but I have to say it anyway: There's a big difference between just doing it and doing it at a world class/extremely high level.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Arthritic condition! Good grief, I'm 58 and have arthritis in damn near every joint and can still manage over 5 miles per day on the treadmill at a 13 min. per mile pace, plus 2 weight lifting sessions per week. Ice, anti-inflammatories, hot tub and plenty of beer and premium vodka is all you need.

I've had my hip replaced due to arthritis and I have it in the other hip that will require replacement, and I have it in my shoulder and I can exercise as well, but even I'm not stupid enough to try and compare my situation to an athlete and his need for good knees to do his job at a high level.

 

[Dragon1952]

I know, but how bad can a 21 yr old's arthritis be , fer cryin' out loud.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I know, but how bad can a 21 yr old's arthritis be , fer cryin' out loud.

Agreed. He played nearly an entire season on it this year. This is all 'fluff" information.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I know, but how bad can a 21 yr old's arthritis be , fer cryin' out loud.

Not even sure how bad his situation is, but like NorrisB said, and I said when Malcolm Kelly was drafted, it's buyer beware. I'm saying the same thing now if there is anything to this report, buyer beware.

 

[doowain]

First of all...this type of info comes out every year about the top skill position players within a month of the draft. I mean, where was this concern in November? Seems fishy...and it usually is.

Second of all, good Lord, I wonder what the median age of a Footballguy is. You guys make me feel like I'm still in diapers.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

First of all...this type of info comes out every year about the top skill position players within a month of the draft. I mean, where was this concern in November? Seems fishy...and it usually is.Second of all, good Lord, I wonder what the median age of a Footballguy is. You guys make me feel like I'm still in diapers.

I would say the average age of most footballguys is late 30s to early 40s. I'm 51 and from the sound I made it, going on 100. I'm actually in better shape than I made it sound.

 

[coolnerd]

I learned after Malcolm Kelly not to disregard this type of material

Unfortunately this is the season where we sorting the truth from the BS is difficult. Overtime I have seen stuff that has no merit reported all over the place; injuries that are never reported being draft and career killers or legitimate health/injury concenr reported accurately. The information here is something but I sure as heck don't know where to place it.

 

[greyone]

Portland Blazers ignored Brandon Roys possible knee injury concerns when they traded for him on draft night from the Minnesota Twolves. They are literally paying for it badly, less than a year into signing Roy to a major contract. Brandon went from being the leagues next superstar to its poster child for pre draft knee injury concerns.

If a team can ride Ingrams "bad" knees for 5 good years. Then its worth it. As we all know RBs mortality rate is very low in the nfl anyways. But don't ignore the idea completely, thats bad business.

Having arthritic knees is different than being injury prone. Lets not compare Ingram to players with injury prone tags. Adrian Peterson wasn't injury prone. His injurys were mostly freak injuries. Not constant areas of the consistent variety.

Born 83

Played 4 years in college (roughly 28-30 games per year)

Drafted 2006 round 1 pick 6

Knees are basically considered useless 10-11

 

[GridironMenace]

I would say the average age of most footballguys is late 30s to early 40s.

No chance that the FBG demographic is 37-45. It's easily 25-33. Don't kid yourself, you're old dude.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I would say the average age of most footballguys is late 30s to early 40s.

No chance that the FBG demographic is 37-45. It's easily 25-33. Don't kid yourself, you're old dude.

Get off my lawn !!! Pull those pants up !!! Turn that hat around !!!I would say the majority of fantasy hardcore geeks are in age range I laid out for you, or take off a couple of years and make it 35-45. I would also say the owners of this board have done some kind of research on the subject.

Maybe we should get the thread back on subject?

 

[BigTex]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

Won't there be some physicals taking place if they haven't already? What does the film say? If the proof is in the pudding, saying this is BS isn't the wise thing to do.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I too read this as "Teams are concerned that Ingram's knee isn't bad enough to cause him to fall to them in the draft."

 

[BigTex]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

Won't there be some physicals taking place if they haven't already? What does the film say? If the proof is in the pudding, saying this is BS isn't the wise thing to do.

I'm fairly confident this is BS! No question in my mind.............NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!Giddy Up!!Tex

 

[gump]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

Won't there be some physicals taking place if they haven't already? What does the film say? If the proof is in the pudding, saying this is BS isn't the wise thing to do.

The film says he looked noticeably heavier and slower after his scope in August...and didn't get back to his '09 shape all year...UNTIL the bowl game after a month off. He looked as quick and strong as ever on NYD.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

Won't there be some physicals taking place if they haven't already? What does the film say? If the proof is in the pudding, saying this is BS isn't the wise thing to do.

The film says he looked noticeably heavier and slower after his scope in August...and didn't get back to his '09 shape all year...UNTIL the bowl game after a month off. He looked as quick and strong as ever on NYD.

When I say film I mean x-rays. I'm sure teams will want to take a close look at that knee before the draft.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

Won't there be some physicals taking place if they haven't already? What does the film say? If the proof is in the pudding, saying this is BS isn't the wise thing to do.

I'm fairly confident this is BS! No question in my mind.............NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!Giddy Up!!Tex

So you're ok with that before knowing the results of tests?

 

[gump]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

Won't there be some physicals taking place if they haven't already? What does the film say? If the proof is in the pudding, saying this is BS isn't the wise thing to do.

The film says he looked noticeably heavier and slower after his scope in August...and didn't get back to his '09 shape all year...UNTIL the bowl game after a month off. He looked as quick and strong as ever on NYD.

When I say film I mean x-rays. I'm sure teams will want to take a close look at that knee before the draft.

Gotcha...and I'm sure your right, as they would with any player who had 'minor' knee surgury within the last year. So how does that process work? Ingram goes thru a physical for a team....or most likely 10 teams...and those results are reviewed and kept a secret by each team, unless they leak to the media? And there is no public physical?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

Won't there be some physicals taking place if they haven't already? What does the film say? If the proof is in the pudding, saying this is BS isn't the wise thing to do.

The film says he looked noticeably heavier and slower after his scope in August...and didn't get back to his '09 shape all year...UNTIL the bowl game after a month off. He looked as quick and strong as ever on NYD.

When I say film I mean x-rays. I'm sure teams will want to take a close look at that knee before the draft.

Gotcha...and I'm sure your right, as they would with any player who had 'minor' knee surgury within the last year. So how does that process work? Ingram goes thru a physical for a team....or most likely 10 teams...and those results are reviewed and kept a secret by each team, unless they leak to the media? And there is no public physical?

I believe each team performs their own physical if that's what they want to do and I don't think it's public unless a team makes it public. Isn't there some HIPPA regulations there? If teams are passing on him on draft day and he falls out of the 1st round, that should be a clue.

 

[Steed]

If there was anything to this report it would have come out at the combine.

 

[fatness]

I too read this as "Teams are concerned that Ingram's knee isn't bad enough to cause him to fall to them in the draft."

Same here. This happens every year leading up to the draft --- unsourced "worries" and "concerns" about players. Teams start most of it, jockeying to influence someone else's draft board. Closer to the draft agents spread false stories too.

 

[BigTex]

"I'm gonna take Bullshack for 25 Alex!"

Won't there be some physicals taking place if they haven't already? What does the film say? If the proof is in the pudding, saying this is BS isn't the wise thing to do.

I'm fairly confident this is BS! No question in my mind.............NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!Giddy Up!!Tex

So you're ok with that before knowing the results of tests?

Show me the evidence and the source otherwise this is just another ploy to motivate T. Bell.Remember how fast the news came out about J. Jones' foot? I do! It was a legit source and he himself said it was so.This is a totally different case. I believe what I believe until proven otherwise by an reliable source with evidence.

 

[NorrisB]

I learned after Malcolm Kelly not to disregard this type of material

Unfortunately this is the season where we sorting the truth from the BS is difficult. Overtime I have seen stuff that has no merit reported all over the place; injuries that are never reported being draft and career killers or legitimate health/injury concenr reported accurately. The information here is something but I sure as heck don't know where to place it.

If he falls substantially in the draft like Kelly did, than thats not BS theres something wrong with him. If he gets drafted in the mid first than he's probably fine.

 

[Shutout]

I'm with the guys that say don't ignore these reports. There is bound to be some fire behind this smoke so if I'm looking at the guys in this draft, I probably go with the one with less medical concern (I think the difference in the year ADP came out is he was the clear cut best RB coming out)

NFL (not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway. Its a relatviely easy position to fill these days and not a lot of teams need a RB. So I'm not sure if "falling" is supposed to mean that he would fall past the 2nd (which I think WOULD be a surprise).

If its the Dolphins' medical staff trying to figure this out: GOOD LUCK! I hope they have different medical "expertS" than when they thought Drew Brees' should er was too risky and decided to go with Daunte Culpepper. I don't necessarily feel to reassured if the Dolphins take Ingram like I would if the Patriots do.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Where there's smoke, sometimes there is a smoke screen.

 

[moderated]

(not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway.

This. Ingram is a very borderline 1st round pick as it is, if he has a degenerative condition he'll be a borderline 2nd round pick at best.

 

[lynx4ben]

(not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway.

This. Ingram is a very borderline 1st round pick as it is, if he has a degenerative condition he'll be a borderline 2nd round pick at best.

I believe ingram is for sure a first talent wise. I think if he was in last years draft (even given this years production) he may have been the first back off the board and there were two selected in the top 15. I think Ingram not being a first round pick is more a function of the lack of RB need this year than his talents. I can't imagine people evaluating Mathews higher than Ingram. I could see Spiller only because Spiller offers elite speed. However, I would have ranked Ingram above all three and would think most also would.Talent wise I feel he is better than last years crop which netted three first rounders.

 

[Steed]

If Moreno and Mathews are considered worthy enough of going in the 1st round (it's debatable), then I'd say Ingram is too

 

[Go deep]

(not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway.

This. Ingram is a very borderline 1st round pick as it is, if he has a degenerative condition he'll be a borderline 2nd round pick at best.

I believe ingram is for sure a first talent wise. I think if he was in last years draft (even given this years production) he may have been the first back off the board and there were two selected in the top 15. I think Ingram not being a first round pick is more a function of the lack of RB need this year than his talents. I can't imagine people evaluating Mathews higher than Ingram. I could see Spiller only because Spiller offers elite speed. However, I would have ranked Ingram above all three and would think most also would.

Talent wise I feel he is better than last years crop which netted three first rounders.

I like Ingram, and think he is a first round talent, but i dont think this is true at all.

 

[lynx4ben]

(not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway.

This. Ingram is a very borderline 1st round pick as it is, if he has a degenerative condition he'll be a borderline 2nd round pick at best.

I believe ingram is for sure a first talent wise. I think if he was in last years draft (even given this years production) he may have been the first back off the board and there were two selected in the top 15. I think Ingram not being a first round pick is more a function of the lack of RB need this year than his talents. I can't imagine people evaluating Mathews higher than Ingram. I could see Spiller only because Spiller offers elite speed. However, I would have ranked Ingram above all three and would think most also would.

Talent wise I feel he is better than last years crop which netted three first rounders.

I like Ingram, and think he is a first round talent, but i dont think this is true at all.

OK, call me curious. Who of them would you rank above him as a college prospect?For me I just append him to the top of my rankings at this time last year:

Ingram

Mathews

Best

Spiller

Note: not that it matters but I can't remember who I ranked higher predraft Mathews or Best. I loved Best but I believe I had Mathews on top because he was safer.

 

[Go deep]

(not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway.

This. Ingram is a very borderline 1st round pick as it is, if he has a degenerative condition he'll be a borderline 2nd round pick at best.

I believe ingram is for sure a first talent wise. I think if he was in last years draft (even given this years production) he may have been the first back off the board and there were two selected in the top 15. I think Ingram not being a first round pick is more a function of the lack of RB need this year than his talents. I can't imagine people evaluating Mathews higher than Ingram. I could see Spiller only because Spiller offers elite speed. However, I would have ranked Ingram above all three and would think most also would.

Talent wise I feel he is better than last years crop which netted three first rounders.

I like Ingram, and think he is a first round talent, but i dont think this is true at all.

OK, call me curious. Who of them would you rank above him as a college prospect?For me I just append him to the top of my rankings at this time last year:

Ingram

Mathews

Best

Spiller

Note: not that it matters but I can't remember who I ranked higher predraft Mathews or Best. I loved Best but I believe I had Mathews on top because he was safer.

Knowing what i knew with them right out of college i would rank them like this:Spiller

Mathews

Ingram

Best(would have likely been 3 if not for concussions.)

I should say they are all pretty close, i viewed them all as first rounders, but i thought Spiller and Mathews were top 15 picks and Ingram and Best were 2nd half first round picks).

Also, did you really think Spiller would be drafted behind Best, or are you ranking the players as you see it now?

 

[moderated]

(not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway.

This. Ingram is a very borderline 1st round pick as it is, if he has a degenerative condition he'll be a borderline 2nd round pick at best.

I believe ingram is for sure a first talent wise. I think if he was in last years draft (even given this years production) he may have been the first back off the board and there were two selected in the top 15. I think Ingram not being a first round pick is more a function of the lack of RB need this year than his talents. I can't imagine people evaluating Mathews higher than Ingram. I could see Spiller only because Spiller offers elite speed. However, I would have ranked Ingram above all three and would think most also would.

Talent wise I feel he is better than last years crop which netted three first rounders.

I like Ingram, and think he is a first round talent, but i dont think this is true at all.

OK, call me curious. Who of them would you rank above him as a college prospect?For me I just append him to the top of my rankings at this time last year:

Ingram

Mathews

Best

Spiller

Note: not that it matters but I can't remember who I ranked higher predraft Mathews or Best. I loved Best but I believe I had Mathews on top because he was safer.

Knowing what i knew with them right out of college i would rank them like this:Spiller

Mathews

Ingram

Best(would have likely been 3 if not for concussions.)

I should say they are all pretty close, i viewed them all as first rounders, but i thought Spiller and Mathews were top 15 picks and Ingram and Best were 2nd half first round picks).

Also, did you really think Spiller would be drafted behind Best, or are you ranking the players as you see it now?

I think he's looking at things in retrospect.I would rank them the same as you did coming out of college, and if Ingram actually does have a degenerative knee condition then I'd drop him below Best as well.

 

[Go deep]

(not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway.

This. Ingram is a very borderline 1st round pick as it is, if he has a degenerative condition he'll be a borderline 2nd round pick at best.

I believe ingram is for sure a first talent wise. I think if he was in last years draft (even given this years production) he may have been the first back off the board and there were two selected in the top 15. I think Ingram not being a first round pick is more a function of the lack of RB need this year than his talents. I can't imagine people evaluating Mathews higher than Ingram. I could see Spiller only because Spiller offers elite speed. However, I would have ranked Ingram above all three and would think most also would.

Talent wise I feel he is better than last years crop which netted three first rounders.

I like Ingram, and think he is a first round talent, but i dont think this is true at all.

OK, call me curious. Who of them would you rank above him as a college prospect?For me I just append him to the top of my rankings at this time last year:

Ingram

Mathews

Best

Spiller

Note: not that it matters but I can't remember who I ranked higher predraft Mathews or Best. I loved Best but I believe I had Mathews on top because he was safer.

Knowing what i knew with them right out of college i would rank them like this:Spiller

Mathews

Ingram

Best(would have likely been 3 if not for concussions.)

I should say they are all pretty close, i viewed them all as first rounders, but i thought Spiller and Mathews were top 15 picks and Ingram and Best were 2nd half first round picks).

Also, did you really think Spiller would be drafted behind Best, or are you ranking the players as you see it now?

I think he's looking at things in retrospect.I would rank them the same as you did coming out of college, and if Ingram actually does have a degenerative knee condition then I'd drop him below Best as well.

So would I, but i dont think it is true. Fortunately for me my rookie drafts arent until after the NFL draft, and this will be cleared up by then.

 

[lynx4ben]

(not FF) guys say the Ingram wasn't necessarily a 1st rounder anyway.

This. Ingram is a very borderline 1st round pick as it is, if he has a degenerative condition he'll be a borderline 2nd round pick at best.

I believe ingram is for sure a first talent wise. I think if he was in last years draft (even given this years production) he may have been the first back off the board and there were two selected in the top 15. I think Ingram not being a first round pick is more a function of the lack of RB need this year than his talents. I can't imagine people evaluating Mathews higher than Ingram. I could see Spiller only because Spiller offers elite speed. However, I would have ranked Ingram above all three and would think most also would.

Talent wise I feel he is better than last years crop which netted three first rounders.

I like Ingram, and think he is a first round talent, but i dont think this is true at all.

OK, call me curious. Who of them would you rank above him as a college prospect?For me I just append him to the top of my rankings at this time last year:

Ingram

Mathews

Best

Spiller

Note: not that it matters but I can't remember who I ranked higher predraft Mathews or Best. I loved Best but I believe I had Mathews on top because he was safer.

Knowing what i knew with them right out of college i would rank them like this:Spiller

Mathews

Ingram

Best(would have likely been 3 if not for concussions.)

I should say they are all pretty close, i viewed them all as first rounders, but i thought Spiller and Mathews were top 15 picks and Ingram and Best were 2nd half first round picks).

Also, did you really think Spiller would be drafted behind Best, or are you ranking the players as you see it now?

I'm ranking them how I viewed them out of college as a dynasty/nfl prospect. I realized that Spiller was often seen as a top 15 pick while best was mocked as a early second round pick. However, at the time I preferred Best to Spiller and Mathews to both. I would have ranked Ingram as tops back then and he did nothing in 2010 to change my opinion.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I had:

Spiller (bumped down after the draft based on landing in BUFF)

Ingram (his 2009 season was amazing)

Matthews (still not fully convinced he's special, he's just very stable)

Best (all or nothing, diciest of the 4)

If Ingram falls to mid 2nd round, I'd be worried. But I don't see him falling past mid 1st.

 

[moderated]

If Ingram falls to mid 2nd round, I'd be worried. But I don't see him falling past mid 1st.

You could be right but I'd be shocked to see him go in the top 15 or so picks. Many mocks are now showing him falling into the 2nd, which I think is where he belongs regardless of his knee issues. With knee issues he's a late 2nd/early 3rd round prospect IMO.He's very fortunate to have played on one of the most dominant college teams of the past couple years.