Teams with open Head Coaching jobs... (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

NY Jets: "Reaching out to Shanny"...what does that mean? Cowher and Shanny are saying no no no to basically all the teams with openings, why? Because these teams are in disarray, some of them need new GMs too, coaches know going in they probably won't last 3-4 seasons. Cleveland, NYJets, St Louis(this actually looks decent), Detroit...who wants these jobs? None of these teams have a rich tradition of winning. Cleveland has never played in a Super Bowl, the Jets haven't played a meaningful playoff game really since Parcells took them into Denver in 1998 IIRC, 10 years ago...Detroit is a complete and total disaster, again another team that has never played in a Super Bowl.

I just don't see why any coach would want one of these jobs. None of these teams are really set up for success...perhaps the Rams might have some appeal to coaches but Cleveland is a revolving door, the Jets are worse, yeah Mangini was 24-24 or whatever but when were the Jets so good that they just throw away a coach that has shown a glimmer of possible success...they were 8-3 at one point and then tanked...was that all Mangini?

I don't see the OC and DC lining up with pom poms on for any of these jobs...would a person really think they could succeed on these teams? Best to wiat for something else.

In 3-4 years the same teams will have the same openings and they will start from scratch again.

 

[puckalicious]

NY Jets: "Reaching out to Shanny"...what does that mean? Cowher and Shanny are saying no no no to basically all the teams with openings, why? Because these teams are in disarray, some of them need new GMs too, coaches know going in they probably won't last 3-4 seasons. Cleveland, NYJets, St Louis(this actually looks decent), Detroit...who wants these jobs? None of these teams have a rich tradition of winning. Cleveland has never played in a Super Bowl, the Jets haven't played a meaningful playoff game really since Parcells took them into Denver in 1998 IIRC, 10 years ago...Detroit is a complete and total disaster, again another team that has never played in a Super Bowl.I just don't see why any coach would want one of these jobs. None of these teams are really set up for success...perhaps the Rams might have some appeal to coaches but Cleveland is a revolving door, the Jets are worse, yeah Mangini was 24-24 or whatever but when were the Jets so good that they just throw away a coach that has shown a glimmer of possible success...they were 8-3 at one point and then tanked...was that all Mangini?I don't see the OC and DC lining up with pom poms on for any of these jobs...would a person really think they could succeed on these teams? Best to wiat for something else. In 3-4 years the same teams will have the same openings and they will start from scratch again.

I think most of us in the SP share these thoughts. It would be awesome to hear a NFL commentator say something like this. Or better yet hear a reporter ask the owners why any coach candidate would want to come there.Of those teams I think NYJ is the most attractive for a new head coach, then STL, then CLE, then dead last as usual DET. At least 2 of these teams will be rolling out yet another new coach in 3 years.

 

[mashers]

I think maybe some coaches want these jobs to get their feet in the door. Ever hear of Belichick? Where did he get his foot in the door? You have to start somewhere. It is obvious that established or longtime coaches won't take these positions, but there are no great, established dynasties ready to hand over the reigns to some coaching assistant who had back to back good years running some offense or quarterbacks either. It cuts both ways.

 

[comfortably numb]

NY Jets: "Reaching out to Shanny"...what does that mean? Cowher and Shanny are saying no no no to basically all the teams with openings, why? Because these teams are in disarray, some of them need new GMs too, coaches know going in they probably won't last 3-4 seasons. Cleveland, NYJets, St Louis(this actually looks decent), Detroit...who wants these jobs? None of these teams have a rich tradition of winning. Cleveland has never played in a Super Bowl, the Jets haven't played a meaningful playoff game really since Parcells took them into Denver in 1998 IIRC, 10 years ago...Detroit is a complete and total disaster, again another team that has never played in a Super Bowl.I just don't see why any coach would want one of these jobs. None of these teams are really set up for success...perhaps the Rams might have some appeal to coaches but Cleveland is a revolving door, the Jets are worse, yeah Mangini was 24-24 or whatever but when were the Jets so good that they just throw away a coach that has shown a glimmer of possible success...they were 8-3 at one point and then tanked...was that all Mangini?I don't see the OC and DC lining up with pom poms on for any of these jobs...would a person really think they could succeed on these teams? Best to wiat for something else. In 3-4 years the same teams will have the same openings and they will start from scratch again.

There a quite a few franchises that fit this moldBut I suppose if you can a couple of good seasons where you turn around a franchise, you can have name recognition for many years to come.Dungy in TB (and IND)Lewis in CINPayton in NOLovie in ChiGruden in OAKParcells in NE/NYJFox in CARHeck, all I think it takes is 2 good season early in your tenure, Mangini was a genius year 1, Crennel entered his 3rd year on the ropes and went to the playoffs, then bombed.Going into this year, ATL and MIA seemed like the revolving door of which you speak.

 

[Man who'd fire the Yorks]

Doesn't seem like any of the teams with HC openings are very attractive to any of the guys available. They all know it'll be an uphill battle to try and turn these teams around and many of them don't want to risk their coaching career on a team that's a major project. I think Shanny's kinda sitting back seeing if Jerry Jones is gonna wiggle his position on keeping Wade Phillips. I think Shanny would like to go to Dallas so we'll have to wait and see. The ones that get HC jobs at NYJ, CLev,Det and St.Louis will sure have their work cut out for them.

 

[Bri]

Not that they'd say so but-Too many teams think one special coach or one special player will instantly make them great. It appears like they bide time until that player or coach comes.

Shanny didn't win a playoff game since Elway. I applaud the Denver owner(Bowlen?) for sticking with him. Yet when a Bronco fan reads "hasn't won a playoff game since Elway" does he wish Shanny was gone sooner? Somehow NFL coaching needs to have coaches with longer tenures like Shanny.

 

[identikit]

NY Jets: "Reaching out to Shanny"...what does that mean? Cowher and Shanny are saying no no no to basically all the teams with openings, why? Because these teams are in disarray, some of them need new GMs too, coaches know going in they probably won't last 3-4 seasons. Cleveland, NYJets, St Louis(this actually looks decent), Detroit...who wants these jobs? None of these teams have a rich tradition of winning. Cleveland has never played in a Super Bowl, the Jets haven't played a meaningful playoff game really since Parcells took them into Denver in 1998 IIRC, 10 years ago...Detroit is a complete and total disaster, again another team that has never played in a Super Bowl.

I just don't see why any coach would want one of these jobs. None of these teams are really set up for success...perhaps the Rams might have some appeal to coaches but Cleveland is a revolving door, the Jets are worse, yeah Mangini was 24-24 or whatever but when were the Jets so good that they just throw away a coach that has shown a glimmer of possible success...they were 8-3 at one point and then tanked...was that all Mangini?

I don't see the OC and DC lining up with pom poms on for any of these jobs...would a person really think they could succeed on these teams? Best to wiat for something else.

In 3-4 years the same teams will have the same openings and they will start from scratch again.

There a quite a few franchises that fit this moldBut I suppose if you can a couple of good seasons where you turn around a franchise, you can have name recognition for many years to come.

Dungy in TB (and IND)

Lewis in CIN

Payton in NO

Lovie in Chi

Gruden in OAK

Parcells in NE/NYJ

Fox in CAR

Heck, all I think it takes is 2 good season early in your tenure,

Mangini was a genius year 1, Crennel entered his 3rd year on the ropes and went to the playoffs, then bombed.

Going into this year, ATL and MIA seemed like the revolving door of which you speak.

Didn't happen...

 

[comfortably numb]

NY Jets: "Reaching out to Shanny"...what does that mean? Cowher and Shanny are saying no no no to basically all the teams with openings, why? Because these teams are in disarray, some of them need new GMs too, coaches know going in they probably won't last 3-4 seasons. Cleveland, NYJets, St Louis(this actually looks decent), Detroit...who wants these jobs? None of these teams have a rich tradition of winning. Cleveland has never played in a Super Bowl, the Jets haven't played a meaningful playoff game really since Parcells took them into Denver in 1998 IIRC, 10 years ago...Detroit is a complete and total disaster, again another team that has never played in a Super Bowl.

I just don't see why any coach would want one of these jobs. None of these teams are really set up for success...perhaps the Rams might have some appeal to coaches but Cleveland is a revolving door, the Jets are worse, yeah Mangini was 24-24 or whatever but when were the Jets so good that they just throw away a coach that has shown a glimmer of possible success...they were 8-3 at one point and then tanked...was that all Mangini?

I don't see the OC and DC lining up with pom poms on for any of these jobs...would a person really think they could succeed on these teams? Best to wiat for something else.

In 3-4 years the same teams will have the same openings and they will start from scratch again.

There a quite a few franchises that fit this moldBut I suppose if you can a couple of good seasons where you turn around a franchise, you can have name recognition for many years to come.

Doh

Good point, 10-6 missed the playoffs.

Good catch

Dungy in TB (and IND)

Lewis in CIN

Payton in NO

Lovie in Chi

Gruden in OAK

Parcells in NE/NYJ

Fox in CAR

Heck, all I think it takes is 2 good season early in your tenure,

Mangini was a genius year 1, Crennel entered his 3rd year on the ropes and went to the playoffs, then bombed.

Going into this year, ATL and MIA seemed like the revolving door of which you speak.

Didn't happen...

 

[Reaper]

Very interesting perspective coming from, a Miami fan? Parcells took over a complete mess and did pretty well in year 1. No?

Really though, the past 11 years for Jets fans haven't been that bad...Mostly winning years, Including a playoff victory in SD then an OT loss In Pitt after the missed in 04...Playoffs again in 06 and a total of Eight Playoff games in the process.

That said, There was really one Top HC candidate out there in Cowher who said all along he was waiting till next year... Somewhere you must have missed where Cowher said he was waiting a year and Shanny said he needed 2 weeks to get his act together and get over Denver... And Shanahan, I agree with Bri, hasn't done that well in quite a while...

That said, I saw a quote on a Jets board, I'm not sure where the original source is from but, he might still be in a play - The speculation, over speculation and then rumors and assumptions based on speculation on all of this is pretty amusing, including this thread.

"Also, fired Broncos coach Mike Shanahan appears to be back in play for the Jets. He had told the NFL Network he planned to wait two weeks before talking to any team, which initially helped influence the Jets to move on. But less than 24 hours after they declared Shana.han off their radar, there were indications the Jets, with plenty to keep themselves busy with, are willing to wait the two weeks."

 

[Black]

I would think rather than having a problem with the intangibles like 'winning culture' or history like Super Bowl appearances, etc., I would think it is much more important to determine if the pieces in place will potentially continue to cause bad trends: owners, GMs, etc.

I would think that the Cowhers and Shannys of the world would want to step in and either serve as GM or have a relationship in place with a GM they trust (or hire?!). Owners known for meddling (Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder) or being cheap might not be that desireable I am sure.

So maybe the current owner/President/GM situation of these teams is much more important. Possibly the ability to bring in your own Coordinators and/or clean house on the existing coaching staff. Possibly the raw talent or future draft picks, cap, etc. available for a rebuilding.

 

[puckalicious]

I would think rather than having a problem with the intangibles like 'winning culture' or history like Super Bowl appearances, etc., I would think it is much more important to determine if the pieces in place will potentially continue to cause bad trends: owners, GMs, etc. I would think that the Cowhers and Shannys of the world would want to step in and either serve as GM or have a relationship in place with a GM they trust (or hire?!). Owners known for meddling (Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder) or being cheap might not be that desireable I am sure.So maybe the current owner/President/GM situation of these teams is much more important. Possibly the ability to bring in your own Coordinators and/or clean house on the existing coaching staff. Possibly the raw talent or future draft picks, cap, etc. available for a rebuilding.

This is what makes DET the worst of the bunch. A new GM promoted from within that has already declared they want a yes-man of a coach with absolutely no authority on personnel. On top of all this an owner who doesn't give a crap about winning.

 

[Buffaloes]

I guess I don't see how NYJ is a better job than Clev? Cleveland has some young talent at important offensive positions (QB, WR, LT) and has some decent talent on the defensive side of things (Shaun Rogers, D'Qwell Jackson). What do the Jets have that Cleveland doesn't? What am I missing here? I can see the Brown turning things arond probably the quickest out of this list of teams.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The established coaches like Shanny and Cowher are not going to take one of these jobs.

However, younger up an coming OC,DC or position coaches would chomp at the bit to take one. Only 32 HC positions exist in this league people will take them.

The Lions gig is a whole nother story, that is a graveyard for coaches.

BTW, how do marvin lewis and herm edwards still have gigs???

 

[Reaper]

I guess I don't see how NYJ is a better job than Clev? Cleveland has some young talent at important offensive positions (QB, WR, LT) and has some decent talent on the defensive side of things (Shaun Rogers, D'Qwell Jackson). What do the Jets have that Cleveland doesn't? What am I missing here? I can see the Brown turning things arond probably the quickest out of this list of teams.

I don't see the big outcry in this thread for the NYJ over Cleveland...IMO, I agree with you and I think the talent level is similar... Cleveland should be better at QB, should be. I know where I'd rather live if that comes into play for the HC. I do think the Jets locker room has less problem child players and is a pretty solid group.Both teams have some talent.That said, I'm wondering why Cleveland would entertain a NYJ castoff in Mangini. Afterall, when both left Camp Bellichik it was Crennel who was the genius. Mangini was just the boy wonder who barely coached the defense 1 year.. On top of which Crennel admitted CLE needs someone to whip that locker room into line - That wasn't Mangini's thing at all.. Maybe we should trade notes but, I'd take Crennel over Mangini myself.Overall, I think the OP was off his rocker and is happy he thinks his team is finally relevant again - Cleveland is a solid place to be a head coach and even Detroit has it's plusses. The OP acted as if there were a dozen or so TOP HC candidates that were running away from these teams, Meanwhile there's one guy. One guy who said he's waiting till next year all along.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

the Jets haven't played a meaningful playoff game really since Parcells took them into Denver in 1998 IIRC, 10 years ago...

I hear you. I hated watching all the meaningless playoff games they've been in since then.

 

[tombonneau]

NY Jets: "Reaching out to Shanny"...what does that mean? Cowher and Shanny are saying no no no to basically all the teams with openings, why? Because these teams are in disarray, some of them need new GMs too, coaches know going in they probably won't last 3-4 seasons. Cleveland, NYJets, St Louis(this actually looks decent), Detroit...who wants these jobs? None of these teams have a rich tradition of winning. Cleveland has never played in a Super Bowl, the Jets haven't played a meaningful playoff game really since Parcells took them into Denver in 1998 IIRC, 10 years ago...Detroit is a complete and total disaster, again another team that has never played in a Super Bowl.I just don't see why any coach would want one of these jobs. None of these teams are really set up for success...perhaps the Rams might have some appeal to coaches but Cleveland is a revolving door, the Jets are worse, yeah Mangini was 24-24 or whatever but when were the Jets so good that they just throw away a coach that has shown a glimmer of possible success...they were 8-3 at one point and then tanked...was that all Mangini?I don't see the OC and DC lining up with pom poms on for any of these jobs...would a person really think they could succeed on these teams? Best to wiat for something else. In 3-4 years the same teams will have the same openings and they will start from scratch again.

But the Jets have seven Pro Bowlers!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Very interesting perspective coming from, a Miami fan? Parcells took over a complete mess and did pretty well in year 1. No?

Really though, the past 11 years for Jets fans haven't been that bad...Mostly winning years, Including a playoff victory in SD then an OT loss In Pitt after the missed in 04...Playoffs again in 06 and a total of Eight Playoff games in the process.

That said, There was really one Top HC candidate out there in Cowher who said all along he was waiting till next year... Somewhere you must have missed where Cowher said he was waiting a year and Shanny said he needed 2 weeks to get his act together and get over Denver... And Shanahan, I agree with Bri, hasn't done that well in quite a while...

That said, I saw a quote on a Jets board, I'm not sure where the original source is from but, he might still be in a play - The speculation, over speculation and then rumors and assumptions based on speculation on all of this is pretty amusing, including this thread.

"Also, fired Broncos coach Mike Shanahan appears to be back in play for the Jets. He had told the NFL Network he planned to wait two weeks before talking to any team, which initially helped influence the Jets to move on. But less than 24 hours after they declared Shana.han off their radar, there were indications the Jets, with plenty to keep themselves busy with, are willing to wait the two weeks."

Miami has a rich history including the winningest coach of all time in Don Shula, 5 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl wins, I realize they were a long long time ago but they ahve had success in Miami. The Jets have not made a big impact in the NFL for quite awhile. They had a nice surge with BP, went to a playoff with Herm, one with Mangini, just not much to get excited about...maybe they have a poor front office. Also, BP is not the Miami Dolphins HC, Sporano is. I understand why everyone feels that way but Miami got rid of their whole front office and turned it over to BP...how many coaches ever go form HC to VP of Operations or is Bill actually the President? I don't even know, I'd have to look it up. Miami went downhill after Shula retired and actually Shula's last 10 years were pretty up and down. But Miami for most of the 90s was a winning franchise and deflated in the playoffs, 2000s started that way and went downhill quick. Huiezenga is a poor owner IMO, and he bought what his front office was selling which was a "player here player there" when we needed to blow the whole thing up.

The teams in search of coaching right now, outside of St Louis when was the last time any of them played in the Super Bowl? Conference Championships? Not a lot and these front offices IMO are a major part of the problem.

 

[Sinrman]

Well, naturally we will see DCs and OCs filling in for most/all these head coaching vacancies this year. Seeing Cowher and Shannahan pass on these openings is no surprise. They don't want to rebuild a team, if they truly desire to get back into coaching. The Jets, I'm a little surprised they would turn it down, as they are not rebuilding (missed the playoffs by basically one game). The others? Lions? Puuuuuuuhlease! Rams? Ewwwww... Browns? Eh, there's potential on this team, but it needs some work too to return to their 2007 form. Raiders? What a joke.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Doesn't the Head Coach make a lot of money?

 

[Reaper]

Very interesting perspective coming from, a Miami fan? Parcells took over a complete mess and did pretty well in year 1. No?

Really though, the past 11 years for Jets fans haven't been that bad...Mostly winning years, Including a playoff victory in SD then an OT loss In Pitt after the missed in 04...Playoffs again in 06 and a total of Eight Playoff games in the process.

That said, There was really one Top HC candidate out there in Cowher who said all along he was waiting till next year... Somewhere you must have missed where Cowher said he was waiting a year and Shanny said he needed 2 weeks to get his act together and get over Denver... And Shanahan, I agree with Bri, hasn't done that well in quite a while...

That said, I saw a quote on a Jets board, I'm not sure where the original source is from but, he might still be in a play - The speculation, over speculation and then rumors and assumptions based on speculation on all of this is pretty amusing, including this thread.

"Also, fired Broncos coach Mike Shanahan appears to be back in play for the Jets. He had told the NFL Network he planned to wait two weeks before talking to any team, which initially helped influence the Jets to move on. But less than 24 hours after they declared Shana.han off their radar, there were indications the Jets, with plenty to keep themselves busy with, are willing to wait the two weeks."

Miami has a rich history including the winningest coach of all time in Don Shula, 5 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl wins, I realize they were a long long time ago but they ahve had success in Miami. The Jets have not made a big impact in the NFL for quite awhile. They had a nice surge with BP, went to a playoff with Herm, one with Mangini, just not much to get excited about...maybe they have a poor front office. Also, BP is not the Miami Dolphins HC, Sporano is. I understand why everyone feels that way but Miami got rid of their whole front office and turned it over to BP...how many coaches ever go form HC to VP of Operations or is Bill actually the President? I don't even know, I'd have to look it up. Miami went downhill after Shula retired and actually Shula's last 10 years were pretty up and down. But Miami for most of the 90s was a winning franchise and deflated in the playoffs, 2000s started that way and went downhill quick. Huiezenga is a poor owner IMO, and he bought what his front office was selling which was a "player here player there" when we needed to blow the whole thing up.

The teams in search of coaching right now, outside of St Louis when was the last time any of them played in the Super Bowl? Conference Championships? Not a lot and these front offices IMO are a major part of the problem.

Interesting POV - I just think, if this were last year, Miami would be just another one of those teams you listed and what happened in the 70's wouldn't really play a major role... I know Miami's history but, then again, I'm old. But, I still never saw Miami win a Championship. I'd guess a lot of posters around here only read about it - Heck, when it comes to QB discussions, I usually wind up defending Dan Marino because we're getting to the point where lots of people here never even saw him in his hey day.

Jets actually played six playoff games since Parcells. 8 Total in the past 10 seasons.

Personally I hated Bradway with the Jets but, other than Gholston I think the Jets have done real good job of assembling talent and need to hit on this HC decision and then have some options at QB....

I think the other HC options here all have their plusses and minuses as well. But, even a team like Dallas has major draw backs.

And again, there's really only ONE Top Dog HC candidate available and then Shanahan wherever you rank him.... Cowher said all along he's not coming back.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Very interesting perspective coming from, a Miami fan? Parcells took over a complete mess and did pretty well in year 1. No?

Really though, the past 11 years for Jets fans haven't been that bad...Mostly winning years, Including a playoff victory in SD then an OT loss In Pitt after the missed in 04...Playoffs again in 06 and a total of Eight Playoff games in the process.

That said, There was really one Top HC candidate out there in Cowher who said all along he was waiting till next year... Somewhere you must have missed where Cowher said he was waiting a year and Shanny said he needed 2 weeks to get his act together and get over Denver... And Shanahan, I agree with Bri, hasn't done that well in quite a while...

That said, I saw a quote on a Jets board, I'm not sure where the original source is from but, he might still be in a play - The speculation, over speculation and then rumors and assumptions based on speculation on all of this is pretty amusing, including this thread.

"Also, fired Broncos coach Mike Shanahan appears to be back in play for the Jets. He had told the NFL Network he planned to wait two weeks before talking to any team, which initially helped influence the Jets to move on. But less than 24 hours after they declared Shana.han off their radar, there were indications the Jets, with plenty to keep themselves busy with, are willing to wait the two weeks."

Miami has a rich history including the winningest coach of all time in Don Shula, 5 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl wins, I realize they were a long long time ago but they ahve had success in Miami. The Jets have not made a big impact in the NFL for quite awhile. They had a nice surge with BP, went to a playoff with Herm, one with Mangini, just not much to get excited about...maybe they have a poor front office. Also, BP is not the Miami Dolphins HC, Sporano is. I understand why everyone feels that way but Miami got rid of their whole front office and turned it over to BP...how many coaches ever go form HC to VP of Operations or is Bill actually the President? I don't even know, I'd have to look it up. Miami went downhill after Shula retired and actually Shula's last 10 years were pretty up and down. But Miami for most of the 90s was a winning franchise and deflated in the playoffs, 2000s started that way and went downhill quick. Huiezenga is a poor owner IMO, and he bought what his front office was selling which was a "player here player there" when we needed to blow the whole thing up.

The teams in search of coaching right now, outside of St Louis when was the last time any of them played in the Super Bowl? Conference Championships? Not a lot and these front offices IMO are a major part of the problem.

That's a pretty short-sighted point of view. You're advocating top named coaches to only take tradition rich, winning franchises with good front offices. Let's work with Pittsburgh here as no one questions the tradition and the quality of the front office.So as a big named coach like Shanahan or Cowher will definitely be swayed by a Pittsburgh job opening, often times part of the job description involves fighting the past and keeping the winning tradition going from day one. Big named coaches will bring their own systems and personnel in, which can take a year or two for players to adjust to that system (and the front office to acquire adequate personnel through FA and the draft). A change of such a big scale can lead to a 6-10 season or worse, and for possibly more than one year.

The fans, media, and the sports world has no patience when these types of franchises fall off pace. Coaches, no matter who they are, are always in danger of being run out of town if they don't win immediately with these franchises. Why would an established coach want to subject himself and his family to that, rather than take a job that has more of a patience level to let their system work?