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They are going to have to roll the dice on one of the other QBs in the draft. Currently the best they have is Orton. Serviceable but not the future.Problem is, they are two wins in the hole for the "suck for luck" campaign. Miami & Indy still neck and neck leading the pack.
on the Lions for this.Agreed, but the things you want your rookie watching and learning are work ethic, preparation, and leadership. Aaron Rodgers didn't learn how to read a defense by watching Brett Favre play. He also didn't learn anything about work ethic, preparation, or leadership from watching Favre play. That doesn't mean Favre was a bad QB, but I'd certainly rather have a young guy learning intangibles from Tim Tebow. And I wouldn't want either of them teaching anyone how to read a defense; that's the coach's job.Oh, you mean a coach's job?Maybe as a life coach or personal mentor...not with anything having to do with playing quarterback in the NFL.I think he's EXACTLY the kind of guy you want mentoring a younger QB.Its counterproductive for the Broncos to waste development time on him. He is clearly not the QB of their future, and not someone you want to mentor the future QB that they draft next year. It would be better for the organization to put Orton back in, or Quinn, so they can develop the rest of the team in a pro-style offense, rather than stunt everyone's growth so they can run a college offense this year.
the reason why you want a rookie to sit for a veteran is so the rookie can watch and learn from the veteran. There is nothing about Tebow's play that you want an NFL-caliber QB to watch and learn from.I am sure Tebow is a great guy off the field. He was a great QB at UF. He is not an NFL caliber QB. He is not the future QB of the Broncos. Why go through all the trouble to change an offense now, when you are going back to a pro offense next year? It just stunts the growth of the other players on the team.
I don't see it as bashing christianity at all, and honestly I don't think they do it to mock Tebow personally. He has gotten too much press for having done very little in the game. I suspect that rubs people the wrong way.Its not Tebows fault that everything he does is magnified (good or bad) by the media.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
I don't see it as bashing christianity at all, and honestly I don't think they do it to mock Tebow personally. He has gotten too much press for having done very little in the game. I suspect that rubs people the wrong way.Its not Tebows fault that everything he does is magnified (good or bad) by the media.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
Players mock the moves of others all the damned time.
Is the bolded Tebow's fault? Did he self-promote to get this attention? I don't think so. He's just living his life by his own convictions the same as anyone else has the right to (within the law). Why does that rub people the wrong way? I don't get that honestly. Someone please explain that.As far as bending down on an knee to give thanks to God, but doing it mockingly (and the Lions defensive player even said as much), I think that is pretty tasteless stuff, but that's just my opinion. Just a point of view. We can agree to disagree here.I don't see it as bashing christianity at all, and honestly I don't think they do it to mock Tebow personally. He has gotten too much press for having done very little in the game. I suspect that rubs people the wrong way.Its not Tebows fault that everything he does is magnified (good or bad) by the media.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
It doesn't matter if it's Tebow's fault. It still rubs people the wrong way (as it should).Is the bolded Tebow's fault? Did he self-promote to get this attention? I don't think so. He's just living his life by his own convictions the same as anyone else has the right to (within the law). Why does that rub people the wrong way? I don't get that honestly. Someone please explain that.As far as bending down on an knee to give thanks to God, but doing it mockingly (and the Lions defensive player even said as much), I think that is pretty tasteless stuff, but that's just my opinion. Just a point of view. We can agree to disagree here.I don't see it as bashing christianity at all, and honestly I don't think they do it to mock Tebow personally. He has gotten too much press for having done very little in the game. I suspect that rubs people the wrong way.Its not Tebows fault that everything he does is magnified (good or bad) by the media.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
A prayer isn't a "signature move". There's no way to confuse this issue.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
RIFIs the bolded Tebow's fault? Did he self-promote to get this attention? I don't think so. He's just living his life by his own convictions the same as anyone else has the right to (within the law). Why does that rub people the wrong way? I don't get that honestly. Someone please explain that.As far as bending down on an knee to give thanks to God, but doing it mockingly (and the Lions defensive player even said as much), I think that is pretty tasteless stuff, but that's just my opinion. Just a point of view. We can agree to disagree here.I don't see it as bashing christianity at all, and honestly I don't think they do it to mock Tebow personally. He has gotten too much press for having done very little in the game. I suspect that rubs people the wrong way.Its not Tebows fault that everything he does is magnified (good or bad) by the media.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
Again, why?It doesn't matter if it's Tebow's fault. It still rubs people the wrong way (as it should).Is the bolded Tebow's fault? Did he self-promote to get this attention? I don't think so. He's just living his life by his own convictions the same as anyone else has the right to (within the law). Why does that rub people the wrong way? I don't get that honestly. Someone please explain that.As far as bending down on an knee to give thanks to God, but doing it mockingly (and the Lions defensive player even said as much), I think that is pretty tasteless stuff, but that's just my opinion. Just a point of view. We can agree to disagree here.I don't see it as bashing christianity at all, and honestly I don't think they do it to mock Tebow personally. He has gotten too much press for having done very little in the game. I suspect that rubs people the wrong way.Its not Tebows fault that everything he does is magnified (good or bad) by the media.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
Oh, yes it is. There's a calculated reason why he does it on the field while the cameras are rolling.
Because it's human nature. In whatever your line of work may be, if some young kid shows up and starts getting love from everyone else while you're getting ignored it would annoy you. And if the newcomer sucks at his job while you've been solid to great for a number of years it would downright piss you off.It doesn't matter if Tebow's shtick was kneeling down for a quick prayer or doing a backflip.Again, why?It doesn't matter if it's Tebow's fault. It still rubs people the wrong way (as it should).Is the bolded Tebow's fault? Did he self-promote to get this attention? I don't think so. He's just living his life by his own convictions the same as anyone else has the right to (within the law). Why does that rub people the wrong way? I don't get that honestly. Someone please explain that.As far as bending down on an knee to give thanks to God, but doing it mockingly (and the Lions defensive player even said as much), I think that is pretty tasteless stuff, but that's just my opinion. Just a point of view. We can agree to disagree here.I don't see it as bashing christianity at all, and honestly I don't think they do it to mock Tebow personally. He has gotten too much press for having done very little in the game. I suspect that rubs people the wrong way.Its not Tebows fault that everything he does is magnified (good or bad) by the media.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
Any move you do on the football field that stands out from others is a signature move. Aaron Rodgers does his champion belt thing. Merriman does his dance. Tebow does a kneel down. Ray Lewis has his thing. And so on and so forth.A prayer isn't a "signature move". There's no way to confuse this issue.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
+1. I like a mean defense, but being a Falcons fan and (mildly) pro-Tebow, I'm pretty disgusted with what the Lions are doing. Take a cue from Reggie White, who was meaner than Fairley and Suh combined but still wasn't a ##### bag Bryan Cox.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
I don't believe this. Tebow's no phony. He's not just doing this in front of cameras.
I don't believe he's a phony. I think it's great he's a guy who will walk his talk (whatever the talk may be). The world could use more folks like that. But to think he doesn't go out of his way to promote his religion is silly. Going back to his college days when he would mark passages on his face, this guy is clearly promoting his religion in a manner that is unconventional and deliberate. I don't have an issue with him doing that - as far as I'm concerned players can do whatever shtick they want. But whenever you make a point to stand out in the crowd, you're going to get mocked when you get beat by another type A personality. It's how the world works. And unless you're going to argue Tebow is an idiot he knows this is how the world works but has chosen to roll with it.
This makes more sense. Although it is admittedly the darker side of human nature. The petty, egotistical, envious, "look-at-me" side of human nature that much of society nowadays exalts. It's a shame that many people never will grow up with a good value system. There's certainly a long line of people who have disdain for the straight and narrow, or anything "goody two shoes".Because it's human nature. In whatever your line of work may be, if some young kid shows up and starts getting love from everyone else while you're getting ignored it would annoy you. And if the newcomer sucks at his job while you've been solid to great for a number of years it would downright piss you off.It doesn't matter if Tebow's shtick was kneeling down for a quick prayer or doing a backflip.Again, why?It doesn't matter if it's Tebow's fault. It still rubs people the wrong way (as it should).Is the bolded Tebow's fault? Did he self-promote to get this attention? I don't think so. He's just living his life by his own convictions the same as anyone else has the right to (within the law). Why does that rub people the wrong way? I don't get that honestly. Someone please explain that.As far as bending down on an knee to give thanks to God, but doing it mockingly (and the Lions defensive player even said as much), I think that is pretty tasteless stuff, but that's just my opinion. Just a point of view. We can agree to disagree here.I don't see it as bashing christianity at all, and honestly I don't think they do it to mock Tebow personally. He has gotten too much press for having done very little in the game. I suspect that rubs people the wrong way.Its not Tebows fault that everything he does is magnified (good or bad) by the media.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
Grow a pair dude. I swear NFL fans have turned into the biggest wimps.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
Horrible? Are ya sure? That could be the best he has to offer going forward. We may have seen his A game. You do know that Miami isn't an NFL caliber team right now and they kicked his ### for 3 quarters.
Again you're being ridiculous. People often hate guy who grab the spotlight. And Tebow's actions are designed to grab the spotlight. Yes, the media makes it a bigger deal than he likely intended. But he knows his actions make him a big deal. People hate Ochocinco despite him clearly being a good guy. Why? Because he hogs the spotlight. Guys like Warrick Dunn have done loads of good work and never got hate. Cutler is an immature jerkoff but he's donated a good chunk of change to charities. As have numerous other players. But many of them don't do it in such a lookatme fashion. Even if he weren't a "goody two shoes" he'd get some hate for hogging the limelight yet sucking horribly. If you're going to be in the media a lot you damned well better be a great player (Jordan, Peyton). The media and the public hate lots of players. They're not singling out Tebow because he's religious. And every time someone defends Tebow by hiding behind his religion they're doing him a disservice. No matter what you're promoting you will have haters if you stand out. If he really wanted to stand out less he wouldn't do commercials where he calls out skeptics for doubting his abilities.
nah, he'll find a way to put up points
And if he does get benched before then, this place will be filled with all of the Fox wants Tebow to fail conspiracy threads we had to deal with all summer. I'm not sure which scenario is worse. It can't possibly be because he really is what we think he is.
I think his best role is a Relief-QB.You can't have him coming in to run the ball - too obvious to the defense. I think he could play a role where he provides a change of pace that the defense has not game-planned for. It would be unconventional - but he is an unconventional player.Bring him in to start the 4th quarter when you are down 14, and need a spark.
No doubt. The carr fans spent 5+ years blaming everything the could think of for his miserable QBing and tebow is on a whole nother level.
I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
I would buy this if Tebow is the only guy that kneels down to pray. TONS of players have done it in the past and continue to today.I am however a huuuge fan of tebowing. Funny stuff.Any move you do on the football field that stands out from others is a signature move. Aaron Rodgers does his champion belt thing. Merriman does his dance. Tebow does a kneel down. Ray Lewis has his thing. And so on and so forth.A prayer isn't a "signature move". There's no way to confuse this issue.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
Josh Cribbs just did this week after his TD dance, its very common.I would buy this if Tebow is the only guy that kneels down to pray. TONS of players have done it in the past and continue to today.I am however a huuuge fan of tebowing. Funny stuff.Any move you do on the football field that stands out from others is a signature move. Aaron Rodgers does his champion belt thing. Merriman does his dance. Tebow does a kneel down. Ray Lewis has his thing. And so on and so forth.A prayer isn't a "signature move". There's no way to confuse this issue.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
The Lord tested Job's faith as well. If the 'fins screw up and accidentally win a game or two, maybe Denver can send Tebow back home to be Miami's franchise QB.
I most certainly do. They waived the white flag when they benched Orton for Tebow. If they were serious about trying to make a run this year they'd have gone to Quinn if they felt a change was necessary. There is no chance they win a wild card spot, and they'd need to climb over 3 other teams in their own division. Plus, this is the first season of a new regime. They've got an easy out for sucking this season and using it to evaluate players.
you honestly think Miami would want him as their future
As a 32yr Lion fan i have seen many many many horrible QB's in my time, shoot i wasn't even old enough to see Bobby Lane for us. but what I saw last night made Joey Harrington look like a competent QB and THAT is saying a whole heck of a lot.See Russel, JaMarcus or Leaf, Ryan.
It was partially in cheek, but did you see the reports around Miami when Denver played there last week? Despite Miami being in the toilet and probably having their best chance to date to get a win, there were still tons of ecstatic Tebow fans loving the Denver comeback. Even if he's a backup, he'll sell merchandise in Miami.you honestly think Miami would want him as their future
John Fox was thrown into this mess, I find it hard to believe he will have Tebow as his starter next year instead of drafting his own future there at QB.
Fox hasn't named a starter for week 9, so to answer your question, Yes, it's one of those two most likely to replace Tebow. As I said, you can't be making throws like that in the NFL and expect to keep your job...carry on.Fox has named his starter, but it looks like Tebow is wearing thin already...
Maybe he shouldnt openly pray on every play, im 100% ok with openly mocking him until he quits.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
It should have been a taunting penalty. It is the NFL, and they have rules. Mocking an opposing player after a sack is against the rules.Grow a pair dude. I swear NFL fans have turned into the biggest wimps.I'm not a big fan of the "Tebowing" move after the Lions sacked Tebow, inside the link Two Deep posted. It's a mockery of Christianity more than a mockery of Tebow. Pretty tasteless, and he's done nothing to deserve that kind of ridicule. Maybe he's not NFL quality, but the religious backlash and hate that Tebow gets goes too far.
Oh, you mean a coach's job?Maybe as a life coach or personal mentor...not with anything having to do with playing quarterback in the NFL.I think he's EXACTLY the kind of guy you want mentoring a younger QB.
I agree.its just a terrible argument. they were in the spread and shotgun for most of the game. but dont credit tebow for taking them down the field. moreno and ball ran for 44 yards. tebow completed a single pass for 14 yards and added a 5 yard draw on the first play. heres tebows problem in terms of numbers. the lions defenders spelled it out after the game too.
hes just not good. his delivery takes eons. he cant read defenses, he cant go through progressions, he cant anticipate or even see open receivers. even if he gets past all that, he cant throw it well. his ball is not accurate, not a spiral. the guy needs to convert to h-back.
Ah, totaly agree with this.It was partially in cheek, but did you see the reports around Miami when Denver played there last week? Despite Miami being in the toilet and probably having their best chance to date to get a win, there were still tons of ecstatic Tebow fans loving the Denver comeback. Even if he's a backup, he'll sell merchandise in Miami.you honestly think Miami would want him as their future
John Fox was thrown into this mess, I find it hard to believe he will have Tebow as his starter next year instead of drafting his own future there at QB.
Inconsistent to be sure, but he's had some really nice throws, and a couple more that weren't that far off...and a couple bad ones, certainly, but not as bad as I expected.
