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Tecmo Bowl (NES) (2 Viewers)

nirad3 said:
It's QB Eagles, and I seriously doubt it. :)
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Don't give up the big play vs quasi Cunningham, force him to stay in bounds when he runs, and good things will happen. 

edit............I like playing with the EAgles also :banned:

 
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ghostguy123 said:
The defender I use is generally based on what play I picked.  I mean sure, each team has a primary guy to use, but many of them have multiple fast enough guys.

Regarding playing vs San Fran, if I pick the "unstoppable play" and they also pick it, my INT rate isn't terrible. 

It's hard to answer in much  more specific detail because I haven't player the original tecmo in a while.
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My buddies and I get together 3 or 4 times a year and play a good 10-12 games a pop.  Not many people do that, but its still incredibly fun for us. 

The reason I asked some specifics is because they relate to a having a good understanding of how the mechanics of the Tecmo Bowl engine work.  It's certainly possible that you have lost very few games of Tecmo Bowl in your day.  I can totally believe that. However, is it due to how good you are, or have you played guys with no clue what they're doing?  

Here's a super basic fundamental question for you.  Which 3 defensive position players are not assigned a blocker on San Francisco's lone run play?  Knowing where those guys are, means Craig can do literally no damage against you.  Then San Fran's playbook shrink from 4 plays to 3, unless its 3rd and 2.  The knowledge of that ploy relates to the other team's run game as well, so it's why I ask.  Do you use Lawrence Taylor vs San Fran?

The Singletary vs Indy question is designed to see if you know how the blocking schemes work for a team with 2 run plays.  That a very basic piece of knowledge to succeed against good players.   I'm testing you here to see if you know some basic fundamentals to gauge just how good you are....the stuff that we never forget, even if I haven't played Tecmo Bowl in 9 months.   

 
My sophomore year in college, we ran a season of Tecmo Superbowl with my dorm mates. I think we had 23 people playing.  Drew cards to determine teams before the season started.  Towards the end of the season, we had people sitting around the room bleachers-style watching some key games with playoff implications.

I ended up winning it all as the Phoenix Cardinals vs. the Buffalo Bills; I had a kick blocked, or maybe the holder fumbled?  I recovered and ran it in with Al Del Greco.  Also fitting that the Bills found a way to lose in the super bowl even in the game.  Arizona was not an easy team to win with.

 
Vanilla Guerrilla said:
My sophomore year in college, we ran a season of Tecmo Superbowl with my dorm mates. I think we had 23 people playing.  Drew cards to determine teams before the season started.  Towards the end of the season, we had people sitting around the room bleachers-style watching some key games with playoff implications.

I ended up winning it all as the Phoenix Cardinals vs. the Buffalo Bills; I had a kick blocked, or maybe the holder fumbled?  I recovered and ran it in with Al Del Greco.  Also fitting that the Bills found a way to lose in the super bowl even in the game.  Arizona was not an easy team to win with.
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I remember the schedule on your door.  What a cluster that must have been.

 
Bull Dozier said:
I remember the schedule on your door.  What a cluster that must have been.
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Dorm room smelled like a dozen sweaty nerds had camped there for a couple of weeks.  Fortunately, my roommate was hitting anything that smelled like patchouli to cover up that smell.

Getting it rolling wasn't too bad.  We only did it once and people were pretty fired up to do it.  Was easier than scheduling a fantasy draft is now.

 
BKB1976 said:
My buddies and I get together 3 or 4 times a year and play a good 10-12 games a pop.  Not many people do that, but its still incredibly fun for us. 

The reason I asked some specifics is because they relate to a having a good understanding of how the mechanics of the Tecmo Bowl engine work.  It's certainly possible that you have lost very few games of Tecmo Bowl in your day.  I can totally believe that. However, is it due to how good you are, or have you played guys with no clue what they're doing?  

Here's a super basic fundamental question for you.  Which 3 defensive position players are not assigned a blocker on San Francisco's lone run play?  Knowing where those guys are, means Craig can do literally no damage against you.  Then San Fran's playbook shrink from 4 plays to 3, unless its 3rd and 2.  The knowledge of that ploy relates to the other team's run game as well, so it's why I ask.  Do you use Lawrence Taylor vs San Fran?

The Singletary vs Indy question is designed to see if you know how the blocking schemes work for a team with 2 run plays.  That a very basic piece of knowledge to succeed against good players.   I'm testing you here to see if you know some basic fundamentals to gauge just how good you are....the stuff that we never forget, even if I haven't played Tecmo Bowl in 9 months.   
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again as I mentioned, I will choose my defender based on what play I picked. 

If I pick a pass play against the Raiders, I am going to choose my defender as though I assume they picked a run so I don't get torched too bad.  That defender I pick is going to be different depending which team I am.

Playing against San Fran, not worried about the run no matter which defender I pick. 

As far as gauging how good I am, who knows, I just know I have never lost at Tecmo Bowl since I learned basic coordination skills with my fingers, and make people look silly playing against me.  Along the way, came across people who talk about Tecmo the same way I do, and made them look silly as well. 

Also, as I said, been a while since I played.  I could use a refresher.  Been playing some Tecmo Super though on occasion.  Much more variability in that game due to fumbles, injuries, the ability to complete a pass even when covered.................  Can't say my record is as good in Tecmo Super, but I am probably better at Tecmo Super as compared to Tecmo Bowl. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
again as I mentioned, I will choose my defender based on what play I picked. 

If I pick a pass play against the Raiders, I am going to choose my defender as though I assume they picked a run so I don't get torched too bad.  That defender I pick is going to be different depending which team I am.

Playing against San Fran, not worried about the run no matter which defender I pick. 

As far as gauging how good I am, who knows, I just know I have never lost at Tecmo Bowl since I learned basic coordination skills with my fingers, and make people look silly playing against me.  Along the way, came across people who talk about Tecmo the same way I do, and made them look silly as well. 

Also, as I said, been a while since I played.  I could use a refresher.  Been playing some Tecmo Super though on occasion.  Much more variability in that game due to fumbles, injuries, the ability to complete a pass even when covered.................  Can't say my record is as good in Tecmo Super, but I am probably better at Tecmo Super as compared to Tecmo Bowl. 
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I like that you went to the effort to learn how to pick off the SF/Craig and Chicago/Boso slant routes.  Takes patience to figure out the spot and timing.  Mentioning that the ball being spotted on the top hash mark when you go to Pass 2 with NY to hit the Bavaro out route is good too.  Otherwise that pass is completed out of bound. Good tactics.

The reason I asked so many specific questions in earlier posts is to find out how in-depth your knowledge of the game goes.  Against SF's Run 1, the top D-End, top outside LB, and top DB are all UNBLOCKED on that play.  If you exclusively use the top D-end in that match-up, its easy as hell to slide down the line and grab Craig for a short 1 or 2 yard gain.  If the ball gets hiked from the top hash, then he might be able to angle down to the side line for a 3 yard gain.  Overall Craig is causing very little damage facing a top DE. that I'm controlling.  If you're using just any defender (Mecklenberg, Singletary, Lawrence Taylor, Howie Long, etc) eventually Craig WILL hit you with a long run plays.  You will miss enough diving tackles, or get tangled up with a blocker. here and there. 

Same with Singletary against Indy.  He's blocked on both run plays.  Unless you pick the same one the offense does, Dickerson is fast as hell.  Dickerson is doing legit damage there.  Against Indy I will NEVER use Singletary vs Indy.  The problem with people who aren't good at tecmo is that they take really bad angles running the ball, or once they get passed the line, they don't always know the right area to run to avoid diving tackles and drone CPU defenders.  Maybe a guy off the street won;t punish you very much when they run the ball, but Im taking good angles to avoid all the extra trash out there, and avoiding those lucky diving tackles by CPU defenders.

Next point of discussion is facing San Fran's offense.  I call a lot of Pass 1 against them.  When I do that, the game appoints the bottom outside LB to cover Jerry Rice, when San Fran calls either Pass 2 or Pass 3.  Without the option of rice at the far bottom and wilson at the far top, the area to throw into is compressed.  Pass 1 defense is highly effective against Pass 2.  At this point the guy with SF can still get some yardage with Pass 3, but with the other 3 plays, he's really limited, and he's going to have to drive the ball 8, 9, 10 plays or more to score...and I can always throw in a few sneaky Pass 3 calls.  You ever faced that sort of game long defense that required you to execute play after play?  Probably not.

If you just randomly call plays vs San Fran, most of the time the offense WILL have both Wilson (top WR) and Rice(bottom WR) wide open.  When that happens it easy to drive quickly down field, because everyone is open.  I don't let that happen.   I can diagram specific defenses for any team/playbookand stay in them because they work.  I don't make random calls, other than for the occasional 3rd down stop.  Most everyone out there doesn't get how Tecmo Bowl defense works, and that is a recipe for failure when you just call random stuff.    The programmers put in very specific/absolute reactions that the defense can get and I've learned them all.  Some of it is incremental stuff, but its a play by play advantage that helps me wear down my opponent.

 
I can be beat in the original, thought it was only good not great. But in Super providing we can pick our own playbook I would crush you all. No mercy.

Even if we go with stock plays I would destroy 99 of 100 of you 99 of 100 times.

NOXPLODE!1!2;2+21!2!!!!

 
Chaka said:
I can be beat in the original, thought it was only good not great. But in Super providing we can pick our own playbook I would crush you all. No mercy.

Even if we go with stock plays I would destroy 99 of 100 of you 99 of 100 times.

NOXPLODE!1!2;2+21!2!!!!
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You going to the Madison, Wisconsin Tecmo Super Tourney next weekend?  The tourney where 300 people enter and 1st place pays out about 4K?  

 
BKB1976 said:
I like that you went to the effort to learn how to pick off the SF/Craig and Chicago/Boso slant routes.  Takes patience to figure out the spot and timing.  Mentioning that the ball being spotted on the top hash mark when you go to Pass 2 with NY to hit the Bavaro out route is good too.  Otherwise that pass is completed out of bound. Good tactics.

The reason I asked so many specific questions in earlier posts is to find out how in-depth your knowledge of the game goes.  Against SF's Run 1, the top D-End, top outside LB, and top DB are all UNBLOCKED on that play.  If you exclusively use the top D-end in that match-up, its easy as hell to slide down the line and grab Craig for a short 1 or 2 yard gain.  If the ball gets hiked from the top hash, then he might be able to angle down to the side line for a 3 yard gain.  Overall Craig is causing very little damage facing a top DE. that I'm controlling.  If you're using just any defender (Mecklenberg, Singletary, Lawrence Taylor, Howie Long, etc) eventually Craig WILL hit you with a long run plays.  You will miss enough diving tackles, or get tangled up with a blocker. here and there. 

Same with Singletary against Indy.  He's blocked on both run plays.  Unless you pick the same one the offense does, Dickerson is fast as hell.  Dickerson is doing legit damage there.  Against Indy I will NEVER use Singletary vs Indy.  The problem with people who aren't good at tecmo is that they take really bad angles running the ball, or once they get passed the line, they don't always know the right area to run to avoid diving tackles and drone CPU defenders.  Maybe a guy off the street won;t punish you very much when they run the ball, but Im taking good angles to avoid all the extra trash out there, and avoiding those lucky diving tackles by CPU defenders.

Next point of discussion is facing San Fran's offense.  I call a lot of Pass 1 against them.  When I do that, the game appoints the bottom outside LB to cover Jerry Rice, when San Fran calls either Pass 2 or Pass 3.  Without the option of rice at the far bottom and wilson at the far top, the area to throw into is compressed.  Pass 1 defense is highly effective against Pass 2.  At this point the guy with SF can still get some yardage with Pass 3, but with the other 3 plays, he's really limited, and he's going to have to drive the ball 8, 9, 10 plays or more to score...and I can always throw in a few sneaky Pass 3 calls.  You ever faced that sort of game long defense that required you to execute play after play?  Probably not.

If you just randomly call plays vs San Fran, most of the time the offense WILL have both Wilson (top WR) and Rice(bottom WR) wide open.  When that happens it easy to drive quickly down field, because everyone is open.  I don't let that happen.   I can diagram specific defenses for any team/playbookand stay in them because they work.  I don't make random calls, other than for the occasional 3rd down stop.  Most everyone out there doesn't get how Tecmo Bowl defense works, and that is a recipe for failure when you just call random stuff.    The programmers put in very specific/absolute reactions that the defense can get and I've learned them all.  Some of it is incremental stuff, but its a play by play advantage that helps me wear down my opponent.
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I will just say this.  To me, just about everything you mentioned here is common sense stuff that I know/do.  Just hearing you talk about it brought back quite a few memories since I haven't played the original tecmo in probably 5 years or more as of right now (in fact, I looked for it yesterday and couldnt find it, my brother doesnt have it, so I am buying another on ebay :excited: ).  Lol, I don't just "wing it" when I play.  Same with tecmo super.  I will call a play and adjust accordingly when picking my defender based on the formation and/or what I am guarding against. 

Except some of the other teams "invincible" plays.  I can still complete them when on the wrong hash :banned: .  Just a tiny bit harder obviously.  I can also INT those at times when playing against them.  It's harder though because you don't know what play the other team picked cause all the formations are the same much of the time. 

Also, you can complete the comeback routes with good regularity if your timing is good enough.  Not a bad tactic to have in your back pocket, although you can't do it too often because those are easier to INT.  You REALLY have to state down your opponent's defender on those

 
Chaka said:
I can be beat in the original, thought it was only good not great. But in Super providing we can pick our own playbook I would crush you all. No mercy.

Even if we go with stock plays I would destroy 99 of 100 of you 99 of 100 times.

NOXPLODE!1!2;2+21!2!!!!
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Picking your own playbook is an absolute must.  If you HAVE to go with the original playbooks then I take back the things I said about being an all time great.  I would only be regular great, not all time great. 

Tecmo super is  more fun IMO.  More variables, more plays, more things happen, and it is a nice change that passes are not intercepted 100% of the time when covered. 

I am jonesing for some tecmo

 
BKB1976 said:
You going to the Madison, Wisconsin Tecmo Super Tourney next weekend?  The tourney where 300 people enter and 1st place pays out about 4K?  
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I would love it.  ####, that would be fun just to WATCH and booze up all day. 

Would suck to get stuck with teams like the Colts, Pats, Jets, and some of the other crappy teams.  You can play perfect and still lose.

 
Spartans Rule said:
I also remember Assani saying he went 19-0 with all 28 teams, using original playbooks and lineups and not diving through for easy sacks with the nose tackle.

I decided to take on that challenge but only finished it with 15 teams. I could definitely win with some more teams if I stuck with it, but it would be really hard to do with the Colts and their ridiculously awful defense.
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Against the computer?

I did it with both the colts and patriots, using all BACKUPS.  19-0, really never a close game. 

 
I just realized a little but ago that I started this thread :banned:

I wish more people around me played these games.  I can't find someone to compare even slightly to me in Tecmo Bowl 1 or 2, Baseball stars, or double dribble anywhere near me.  Sucks. 

Need the NES olympics...................

 
ghostguy123 said:
I would love it.  ####, that would be fun just to WATCH and booze up all day. 

Would suck to get stuck with teams like the Colts, Pats, Jets, and some of the other crappy teams.  You can play perfect and still lose.
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One guy names the 2 teams in the match-up, and the other has his choice of team first.  There are guys that will throw out Indy/Seatte for example.  You literally need to know quite a bit about all 28 teams, because you never know which match-up can get thrown out there.  If Denver/KC is your favorite match-up, you might get to call it based on a coin flip, or get lucky and have a few opponents call it.

The format is great too.  You need to finish 1st or 2nd in your region of 8 players, just to get into the field of 64.  It's a really brutal tourney with guys that don't just practice, but "train" for this tournament.

 
Train, lol.  Gotta love that in the year 2017 there are probably a dozen people around the country in "serious training" for tecmo bowl.  ####### great

 
ghostguy123 said:
I just realized a little but ago that I started this thread :banned:

I wish more people around me played these games.  I can't find someone to compare even slightly to me in Tecmo Bowl 1 or 2, Baseball stars, or double dribble anywhere near me.  Sucks. 

Need the NES olympics...................
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Houston had the retro world series last year.  4 day event. Tournaments for the following games.... Tecmo Bowl, RBI Baseball, street fighter 2, mortal Kombat 2, Super Bomberman, Super Mario kart and i think one more game.  You started in group play then your record gets you seeded in the tournaments.  Cash prizes and the trophies were sweet.  Not sure what its made of, but it's a think material, almost like plexiglass but super clear/see through.  Lazer etched control pad as well for the base.  I can post a pic of trophy after work.

website should be retroworldseries.com  do a facebook search.  the guy just posted a new video today for the next event.

Where do you live anyways?

 
ghostguy123 said:
Train, lol.  Gotta love that in the year 2017 there are probably a dozen people around the country in "serious training" for tecmo bowl.  ####### great
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One of the top players out there makes youtube videos with a buddy.  They breakdown a ton of tecmo super stuff.  This guy is always making a deep run from the field of 300.  His style is crazy methodical. it doesn;t look impressive but he grinds down field, QB runs a lot, and makes really good decisions the few times he passes.  Guy knows everything about every team it seems. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
I just realized a little but ago that I started this thread :banned:

I wish more people around me played these games.  I can't find someone to compare even slightly to me in Tecmo Bowl 1 or 2, Baseball stars, or double dribble anywhere near me.  Sucks. 

Need the NES olympics...................
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https://youtu.be/8FgITs_LaAo

Retro world series video from the Tecmo Bowl championship game.  I had Indy and my buddy had Seattle.  Game doesn't start until about 5-7 minutes in.   Lots of deliberating on which teams to name and choose before this game with a lot riding on the line.  Houston is a long ways from Omaha, and neither of us wanted a long journey home without winning this.  If I recall right I won the coin toss and got to choose the match-up. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
I will just say this.  To me, just about everything you mentioned here is common sense stuff that I know/do.  Just hearing you talk about it brought back quite a few memories since I haven't played the original tecmo in probably 5 years or more as of right now (in fact, I looked for it yesterday and couldnt find it, my brother doesnt have it, so I am buying another on ebay :excited: ).  Lol, I don't just "wing it" when I play.  Same with tecmo super.  I will call a play and adjust accordingly when picking my defender based on the formation and/or what I am guarding against. 

Except some of the other teams "invincible" plays.  I can still complete them when on the wrong hash :banned: .  Just a tiny bit harder obviously.  I can also INT those at times when playing against them.  It's harder though because you don't know what play the other team picked cause all the formations are the same much of the time. 

Also, you can complete the comeback routes with good regularity if your timing is good enough.  Not a bad tactic to have in your back pocket, although you can't do it too often because those are easier to INT.  You REALLY have to state down your opponent's defender on those
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If you know even half the stuff I do about Tecmo Bowl gameplanning and strategy, that's good enough to beat about 80% of the people that showed up at the 5 tournaments Ive played in the last year.  Most people enter for fun.  Not too many serious/good/knowledgable players out there..at least from what I've found in Omaha, Des Moines Iowa, Houston, and Columbus Ohio.  Overall, I competed against about 100-105 people in those 5 events.  

Theres always a couple really good/solid players at each event, but Ive only found a couple players who had what I consider "really good/top shelf" skills.  one guy in Houston had a great Tecmo Bowl IQ and quickly picked up on everything we showed him.  Hes also very good at TSB, so he "got" it as it translated between the 2 games.  Another guy in Des Moines, IA ran a perfect run/pass option game with his QB.  He murdered people.  It was all my buddy and I could do to beat him.  He was the least fun mofo to play at any of the tournaments.  And he used the Dallas shotgun cheat curl pass on some 3rd and 4th downs as well.  Luckily I knew how to stop it.

My buddies and I don't use the cheat routes.  We play super competitively amongst ourselves and that stuff is pretty cheap IMO.  We play a real straight up fair style.  I haven't run into many that do that stuff at tournaments, but I always prep before hand to make sure my skills are sharp with craig/cap boso slants and stuff like that, so I can stop it.

I liked how you mentioned the deal about letting them score quick so you could get the ball back late if they were doing that cheat stuff.  Ive considered that, just haven't had to do it.  I decided to give up a field goal early to an opponent early in the game, even if i knew where my fast defender was on the line.  Mainly so I could catch them in a trap later when they thought they had 3 sure points.  LOL.  

 
ghostguy123 said:
East of Cleveland.  

If Columbus has something I might be able to go.
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Columbus had a 32 man original Tecmo tournament back in late february.  You missed out bro.  Its supposed to be an annual thing.  For 1st place I won a 32" vizio smart TV and NES classic mini.  I'm planning to attend next year and bring 3 buddies with me that have similar skills.  If you want to see what kind of skills a guy who's won 5 straight Tecmo tourneys (and a perfect 28-0 against people I've never faced before) looks like, then you better be there!!!    

President of driven foundation posted this on facebook afterwards.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=779191038900961&set=a.340073722812697.1073741828.100004302166939&type=3&theater  

 
BKB1976 said:
https://youtu.be/8FgITs_LaAo

Retro world series video from the Tecmo Bowl championship game.  I had Indy and my buddy had Seattle.  Game doesn't start until about 5-7 minutes in.   Lots of deliberating on which teams to name and choose before this game with a lot riding on the line.  Houston is a long ways from Omaha, and neither of us wanted a long journey home without winning this.  If I recall right I won the coin toss and got to choose the match-up. 
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The guy who was Seattle sure messed up a lot

 
ghostguy123 said:
The guy who was Seattle sure messed up a lot
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He's usually a really good diving tackle player, but he was off that day.  plus he was trying to dive tackle vs Eric Dickerson.  We also played house rules there, so we didn't exploit certain stuff.  There were some 4th downs that our rules dictated that he couldn't convert on a play pick even though the window was there to get it with his QB.

There were 3 plays in that game that I absolutely had to have the right call or defensive positioning, and I had it each time.  Sometimes you get the calls to work in your favor and sometimes you don't.  

 
Only 1st and 2nd place won prizes in C-bus.  2nd got a $50 visa gify card.  3rd got a pat on the back.  I did toss a $10 bill down for the 3rd place game, because I thought they should get something.  Really that $10 just paid for the winner's parking for the day.

I'll be bringing my 3 buddies who are also going to enter into the $110 entry fee tourney.

 
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Well ####.  I will need to brush up.

I dont have the ins and outs of ALL the teams.

Screw house rules though.  If its part of the game, its part of the game.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Well ####.  I will need to brush up.

I dont have the ins and outs of ALL the teams.

Screw house rules though.  If its part of the game, its part of the game.
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In Columbus it was apparently anything goes.  House rules are just what we play inside our circle of competition.

 
ghostguy123 said:
I would love it.  ####, that would be fun just to WATCH and booze up all day. 

Would suck to get stuck with teams like the Colts, Pats, Jets, and some of the other crappy teams.  You can play perfect and still lose.
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In my dorm tournament with a bunch of guys we each picked one "good" team (we gave the guy who had the least experience the Niners) and one "not good" team.  I had the Iggles and the Jets.  This is Super Tecmo I'm talking about... Jets were terrible on O but had an OK D.  I managed to win a few games with them.

 
BKB1976 said:
You going to the Madison, Wisconsin Tecmo Super Tourney next weekend?  The tourney where 300 people enter and 1st place pays out about 4K?  
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Son, I play for love of the game. Don't taint it with the notion of a pittance of cash.

 
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