Ted Ginn (1 Viewer)

[Weiner Dog]

Six FBG's staff members have given Ginn a consensus dynasty WR rating of #49. Despite being somewhat raw at the WR position, the 9th-overall pick from the '07 draft had a better-than-expected 34-420-2 last year. Ginn even had 3 or more catches in 7 of his final 10 games. Ginn averaged 100+ yards per game in return yards. Heck, the Fins even traded away their #1 (Chambers) and officially handed the golden baton to Ginn by signing only Wilford in the offseason. YES...the QB position and team structure is in flux, but the same holds true for 1/3 of the NFL.

The only other #1 WR's from any team to fall further than Ginn in the dynasty rankings are a pair of 35 year-olds (Engram at #55 and Bruce at #57). Ginn is also ranked lower than rookies like D Thomas, Hardy and Sweed. I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

 

[gregjcross]

Six FBG's staff members have given Ginn a consensus dynasty WR rating of #49. Despite being somewhat raw at the WR position, the 9th-overall pick from the '07 draft had a better-than-expected 34-420-2 last year. Ginn even had 3 or more catches in 7 of his final 10 games. Ginn averaged 100+ yards per game in return yards. Heck, the Fins even traded away their #1 (Chambers) and officially handed the golden baton to Ginn by signing only Wilford in the offseason. YES...the QB position and team structure is in flux, but the same holds true for 1/3 of the NFL.

The only other #1 WR's from any team to fall further than Ginn in the dynasty rankings are a pair of 35 year-olds (Engram at #55 and Bruce at #57). Ginn is also ranked lower than rookies like D Thomas, Hardy and Sweed. I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

Steve Smith shouldnt surprise you the guy is very solid. People are down on Ginn because of the stigma of being in Miami. This could turn around very fast though--- so I agree there is some value -- as long as he continues to be able to get behind a secondardy. But personally I would rather have Steve Smith or Devin Thomas. I would put Ginn ahead of everyone else you mentioned.

 

[big country]

Ginn is $$$ in leagues where you get return yards (Zealots)

 

[massraider]

Six FBG's staff members have given Ginn a consensus dynasty WR rating of #49. Despite being somewhat raw at the WR position, the 9th-overall pick from the '07 draft had a better-than-expected 34-420-2 last year. Ginn even had 3 or more catches in 7 of his final 10 games. Ginn averaged 100+ yards per game in return yards. Heck, the Fins even traded away their #1 (Chambers) and officially handed the golden baton to Ginn by signing only Wilford in the offseason. YES...the QB position and team structure is in flux, but the same holds true for 1/3 of the NFL.

The only other #1 WR's from any team to fall further than Ginn in the dynasty rankings are a pair of 35 year-olds (Engram at #55 and Bruce at #57). Ginn is also ranked lower than rookies like D Thomas, Hardy and Sweed. I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

Seems a bit low to me as well. I don't think there'll be much uproar round here tho. My first thought is that perhaps the staff is guilty of the same kind of groupthink that crucified the Dolphins after the pick. Ginn was heavily hyped in college, and was taken (most thought) too early. Those two facts led to Ted Ginn being labeled a bust before he had even fielded a punt.

My second thought is that perhaps the staff sees a ceiling on what Ginn can do, fantasy-wise. He certainly doesn't have the build of a classic #1, and was famous for not being a polished route runner (which I think we heard about as much as McFadden's skinny legs), so envisioning him as a PPR monster, working the middle of the field, is difficult as well.

I think when an owner is doing an initial dynasty league draft, when you are taking players after WR36, you are looking for upside. Sure, there's the occasional wily vet that drops down and presents value, but for the most part you are looking for the kind of upside that Ginn presents. I think his big play ability alone would make him ranked higher, with the potential for a Lee Evans-type career as a starter.

For myself, when it comes time to grab that 4th and 5th WR in a dynasty, I would rather roll the dice a bit on a Ginn, than take a "safer" pick like Porter, Curry, or Reggie Brown.

 

[cstu]

I have to agree that he's ranked too low. Sure he's a wild card but he did better than a lot of people expected last year and has a lot more potential than most of the guys in the 40-50 range. I can even see taking him late-30's.

 

[Alluro]

If Miami had a qb who could get him the ball last year he would have been a BEAST. I watched almost every miami game and i don't remember how many times the announcers were commenting about how wide open ginn was. If Brett Favre was the QB of fins last year, Ted ginn would have bested every WR in his draft class. Getting him at his average adp right now is criminal.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

If Miami had a qb who could get him the ball last year he would have been a BEAST. I watched almost every miami game and i don't remember how many times the announcers were commenting about how wide open ginn was. If Brett Favre was the QB of fins last year, Ted ginn would have bested every WR in his draft class. Getting him at his average adp right now is criminal.

The o-line was a mess last year. Even Manning or Brady would have had trouble getting Ginn the ball last seson because before they would have had time to get set they were being flushed from the pocket or they were already on their ###.

 

[EBF]

I agree that WR49 is extremely low for Ginn. I think my most recent rankings had him somewhere in the mid 30's, which seems like a more accurate assessment of his value. He was a high pick, he had a decent rookie year, and he should have an expanded role next season. Something like 600-800 yards seems well within his reach. He could even crack 1,000 yards if he gets a lot of targets. I definitely think he'll be ranked higher than WR49 a year from now.

That said, I'm not really sure that he's a true WR1 at the NFL level, so he's not someone I'm rushing out to acquire. I view him more as a deep threat/specialty guy rather than a complete receiver who will develop into an 80 catch type.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

I wouldn't take Ginn and a high 2nd rd rookie for Smith.

 

[jurb26]

I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

I wouldn't take Ginn and a high 2nd rd rookie for Smith.

Good luck with that. Ginn is a more talented version of his fellow OSU alum Holmes. He just isn't as polished. He will be a significant contributor in a matter of time. He will likely be inserted into a WR1 role as well. Mia is going to find ways to get Ginn the ball next year. Significant value here IMO.

 

[Couch Potato]

I also agree Ginn is too low, and I think WR49 will look pretty foolish by about midseason 2008.By comparison, Sidney Rice is ranked #30 in the same rankings, has to compete with Berrian for catches, and his QB isn't exactly Pro Bowl material either. I think Ginn ought to be about where Rice is.I posted this in another thread recently:

Ted Ginn had 8 catches on 20 targets over his first 9 games in his rookie season last year.That extrapolates to 14 catches on 36 targets for a full season.Then he had 26 catches on 51 targets over his last 7 games.That extrapolates to 59 catches on 117 targets for a full season.That's the kind of growth I like to see. I think he'll continue to develop in his 2nd season and like his chances for a true breakout year.

 

[msommer]

Six FBG's staff members have given Troy Williamson a consensus dynasty WR rating of #49. Despite being somewhat raw at the WR position, the 7th-overall pick from the '05 draft had a better-than-expected 'whatever' his first year. etc

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[Couch Potato]

Six FBG's staff members have given Troy Williamson a consensus dynasty WR rating of #49. Despite being somewhat raw at the WR position, the 7th-overall pick from the '05 draft had a better-than-expected 'whatever' his first year. etc

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I realize you're just having a little fun. But we could spend all day cherry picking both successful and unsuccessful guys after their rookie years. Sometimes you just take a stand on a guy based on what you believe, and I think Ginn will be a player. (He also hasn't ever had the criticism of his hands that Williamson had even in his rookie year)

 

[msommer]

Six FBG's staff members have given Troy Williamson a consensus dynasty WR rating of #49. Despite being somewhat raw at the WR position, the 7th-overall pick from the '05 draft had a better-than-expected 'whatever' his first year. etc

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I realize you're just having a little fun. But we could spend all day cherry picking both successful and unsuccessful guys after their rookie years. Sometimes you just take a stand on a guy based on what you believe, and I think Ginn will be a player. (He also hasn't ever had the criticism of his hands that Williamson had even in his rookie year)

Fair enough. hey both seem like one trick ponies to me (or no trick ponies in the case of Williamson).Maybe it is just me being bitter after wasting time on Williamson

 

[TS Garp]

The ranking seems very low to me. Ginn's numbers all seem to be trending the right way. As mentioned above, his targets increased substantially (9, 10, 3, 9, 8 in the final 5 games) and that should only continue this season, as the Dolphins have little to no other options. Parcells will want to see what he has in Ginn, and I think you'll see them try to get him the ball a lot, even if it isn't always pretty. In my opinion, he has as much upside as you'll find in a WR with his ADP, and a lower floor than some similarly ranked WR's.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

I wouldn't take Ginn and a high 2nd rd rookie for Smith.

Good luck with that. Ginn is a more talented version of his fellow OSU alum Holmes. He just isn't as polished. He will be a significant contributor in a matter of time. He will likely be inserted into a WR1 role as well. Mia is going to find ways to get Ginn the ball next year. Significant value here IMO.

Ginn doesn't have the overall WR skills that Steve Smith (NYG) has.

 

[Todem]

Kid has star potential. I love his value right now and have pounced in a few leagues getting him on the cheap.

 

[cstu]

I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

I wouldn't take Ginn and a high 2nd rd rookie for Smith.

Good luck with that. Ginn is a more talented version of his fellow OSU alum Holmes. He just isn't as polished. He will be a significant contributor in a matter of time. He will likely be inserted into a WR1 role as well. Mia is going to find ways to get Ginn the ball next year. Significant value here IMO.

Ginn doesn't have the overall WR skills that Steve Smith (NYG) has.

Smith has some skills, but I doubt he'll ever be more than a #2. Ginn may be raw but he's explosive in a way that Smith never will be. It also not encouraging that he was the #2 at USC behind two busts at WR.

 

[Alluro]

Ginn reminds me of Torry Holt in the way he runs and cuts. He may not have Holt's refined route running ability, but I feel he can learn that.

 

[EBF]

I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

I wouldn't take Ginn and a high 2nd rd rookie for Smith.

Good luck with that. Ginn is a more talented version of his fellow OSU alum Holmes. He just isn't as polished. He will be a significant contributor in a matter of time. He will likely be inserted into a WR1 role as well. Mia is going to find ways to get Ginn the ball next year. Significant value here IMO.

Ginn doesn't have the overall WR skills that Steve Smith (NYG) has.

Smith has some skills, but I doubt he'll ever be more than a #2. Ginn may be raw but he's explosive in a way that Smith never will be. It also not encouraging that he was the #2 at USC behind two busts at WR.

I agree, although it's a bit premature to call Jarrett a bust.Smith is a solid player who drew raves in training camp, but he's more of a complementary type than a future star. Think Bobby Engram.

 

[Football Jones]

For some reason, Ginn gets dogged for his WR skills, when in all reality, they're pretty good (hands & routes). When you combine that with his explosiveness & tremendous work ethic, it makes for a top prospect (& he was drafted as such). His ADP (as it stands now) is one of the best bargains you can get, IMO.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

I wouldn't take Ginn and a high 2nd rd rookie for Smith.

Good luck with that. Ginn is a more talented version of his fellow OSU alum Holmes. He just isn't as polished. He will be a significant contributor in a matter of time. He will likely be inserted into a WR1 role as well. Mia is going to find ways to get Ginn the ball next year. Significant value here IMO.

Ginn doesn't have the overall WR skills that Steve Smith (NYG) has.

Smith has some skills, but I doubt he'll ever be more than a #2. Ginn may be raw but he's explosive in a way that Smith never will be. It also not encouraging that he was the #2 at USC behind two busts at WR.

I agree, although it's a bit premature to call Jarrett a bust.Smith is a solid player who drew raves in training camp, but he's more of a complementary type than a future star. Think Bobby Engram.

Ginn has more bust potential and IMO will never be a WR #1 either. I'll take the sure thing in Smith thank you very much.

 

[az_prof]

Isn't Smith third on the depth chart? And what makes you think he has a better chance of being a featured WR? He strikes me as a possession WR--basically, a younger version of Toomer. I don't see him as a featured WR. He strikes me as the kind of guy who will maybe have one or two 1000 yard and 65 reception years, but never any great years. Ginn maybe has less of a chance of being a fantasy WR3 than Smith, but a better chance of being a dominant WR1. Ginn has star potential.

I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

I wouldn't take Ginn and a high 2nd rd rookie for Smith.

Good luck with that. Ginn is a more talented version of his fellow OSU alum Holmes. He just isn't as polished. He will be a significant contributor in a matter of time. He will likely be inserted into a WR1 role as well. Mia is going to find ways to get Ginn the ball next year. Significant value here IMO.

Ginn doesn't have the overall WR skills that Steve Smith (NYG) has.

Smith has some skills, but I doubt he'll ever be more than a #2. Ginn may be raw but he's explosive in a way that Smith never will be. It also not encouraging that he was the #2 at USC behind two busts at WR.

I agree, although it's a bit premature to call Jarrett a bust.Smith is a solid player who drew raves in training camp, but he's more of a complementary type than a future star. Think Bobby Engram.

Ginn has more bust potential and IMO will never be a WR #1 either. I'll take the sure thing in Smith thank you very much.

 

[T Bell]

Rightly or wrongly, I view with suspicion the prospects who enter the NFL with return abilities that are their featured traits. All too often those guys show that they're just not good route runners or receivers of anything other than punts or kickoffs.

Yeah, Ginn was drafted high, but most thought that that was way early anyway. It's hard for me to accept that the unreasonably high draft position somehow makes Ginn a better prospect. Were you impressed with Miami's front office and talent evaluation last year and in previous years?

And BTW, I note that many people seem to be ignoring that this guy was the choice of a prior regime, and not Parcells & Co. So you've got a guy who was selected too high in the draft by a regime no longer in place, and with all of the other problems that team has on offense, and I'm supposed to think that WR49 is too low for him?

Maybe that spot is too low, but even if you move him up 10 spots, more than 20% higher in the rankings, the actual production is not all that different. Using FBG's scoring, the difference between the 2007 WR49 and WR39 was:

Laveraneous Coles - 55/646/6

Donte Stallworth - 46/697/3

I just don't see much reason to be enthusiastic about Ginn.

 

[Todem]

Rightly or wrongly, I view with suspicion the prospects who enter the NFL with return abilities that are their featured traits. All too often those guys show that they're just not good route runners or receivers of anything other than punts or kickoffs.

Yeah, Ginn was drafted high, but most thought that that was way early anyway. It's hard for me to accept that the unreasonably high draft position somehow makes Ginn a better prospect. Were you impressed with Miami's front office and talent evaluation last year and in previous years?

And BTW, I note that many people seem to be ignoring that this guy was the choice of a prior regime, and not Parcells & Co. So you've got a guy who was selected too high in the draft by a regime no longer in place, and with all of the other problems that team has on offense, and I'm supposed to think that WR49 is too low for him?

Maybe that spot is too low, but even if you move him up 10 spots, more than 20% higher in the rankings, the actual production is not all that different. Using FBG's scoring, the difference between the 2007 WR49 and WR39 was:

Laveraneous Coles - 55/646/6

Donte Stallworth - 46/697/3

I just don't see much reason to be enthusiastic about Ginn.

He was 1st round material. Whether he goes number 9 or 19 he has tremendous football skills. He is going to be featured this season. The new regime loves him.Time will tell. But he has huge big play skills and YAC skills. The Dolphins will be doing everything they can to get the ball in his hands. His speed is deadly and his overall skills as a route runner are being worked on. The WR position as most know is a skill that evolves for most. Brandon Marshall and even Torry Holt had a learning curve between years 1 and 3. I believe that Ginn will make big strides this season and by year 3 will be a viable FF WR2. He can be a sneaky WR3 this season if the QB siuation is stable. John Beck has said to be very confident and ready to show what he can do this season. he had nothing to work with last season other than Ginn and was a green rookie as well.

Fingers crossed on the QB situation because that is obviuosly a huge factor to everything.

 

[Max Power]

Another poster in another thread opened my eyes to how truely underrated Ted Ginn is this season. After thinking about the situation some more, I really like Ginn as a mid round pick in most dynasty formats.

How could we expect ANYONE to produce in the situation Miami had last season? Losing the starting QB and RB. Trading away the #1 wr. A very suspect OL unit. Even though Ginn was held out of the first few games for whatever reason, he produced solid rookie WR numbers down the stretch.

I think the fact that Miami didn't draft a WR with the first pick in the second round speaks volumes for Ginn. At that point in the draft, there had been 0 wrs taken. If Miami saw Ginn as anything less than a #1, IMO they would have jumped on a player. Not to mention there was still some decent WR value at 2.26? (when Henne was drafted) and early third when Miami took a DT.

The Phins have had several opertunities to address to the WR position in the offseason/draft and chose not to. I think Ginn will be a big factor this season. Adding Jake Long can only improve the Offense as a whole. I forsee a 70 reception 900 yard 5-8 TD season for Ginn.

Truely a "buy low" type guy in dynasty formats. This is a guy who once the QB situation gets settled can be a low-end #1, High-end #2 WR for years to come.

 

[jurb26]

Rightly or wrongly, I view with suspicion the prospects who enter the NFL with return abilities that are their featured traits. All too often those guys show that they're just not good route runners or receivers of anything other than punts or kickoffs. Yeah, Ginn was drafted high, but most thought that that was way early anyway. It's hard for me to accept that the unreasonably high draft position somehow makes Ginn a better prospect. Were you impressed with Miami's front office and talent evaluation last year and in previous years? And BTW, I note that many people seem to be ignoring that this guy was the choice of a prior regime, and not Parcells & Co. So you've got a guy who was selected too high in the draft by a regime no longer in place, and with all of the other problems that team has on offense, and I'm supposed to think that WR49 is too low for him? Maybe that spot is too low, but even if you move him up 10 spots, more than 20% higher in the rankings, the actual production is not all that different. Using FBG's scoring, the difference between the 2007 WR49 and WR39 was:Laveraneous Coles - 55/646/6Donte Stallworth - 46/697/3I just don't see much reason to be enthusiastic about Ginn.

Your take on Ginn really couldn't be much further off IMO. Drafted as a return specialist? Are you kidding me. No player is drafted in the 1st round simply because they are a great return guy in college. If that was the case both Hester and D. Jackson would have been top 15 picks as well. The only people I see saying that Ginn was drafted too high are people on here like yourself who clearly don't know much about him and think he is only a return specialist. Lastly, people are not ignoring that he was picked by a prior regime. You seem to be ignoring that the new regime is pretty happy with Ginn.

 

[Weiner Dog]

For those in leagues who receive additional points for return yards, Ginn is currently the only "two-way" #1 WR in the NFL at this moment.

link:

http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/562329.html

Ousted as UCLA's head coach after five seasons, new Dolphins receivers coach Karl Dorrell has set the bar high for Ted Ginn Jr. and Derek Hagan. And although May/June performance shouldn't be overstated, their offseason development has the team encouraged.

Ginn's ''release off the ball has gotten a lot better,'' cornerback Andre' Goodman said. ''He's a lot more assertive,'' Will Allen said.

Dorrell told Ginn he must ``run at the same speed all the time so they can't tell if you're trying to run by them or you're running something shorter. He's doing a real good job trying to look fast with everything he does.''

Dorrell, whose unit was good in his three years as Denver's receivers coach (2000-2002), says ''there is no question the skill is there'' for Ginn to be a legitimate No. 1 receiver. ``He's very smooth, quick, has good feet. He has all the tools to be a great player. He knows he needs to be a bigger factor in what we do.''



The Dolphins won't scale back his punt/kickoff-return duties, and Ginn (34 catches, 420 yards, two TD receptions as a rookie) said juggling those with No. 1 receiver duties isn't too much.

 

[Our Gang]

Some more food for thought:

2 missed TD's becuase of poor qb play

Week 7 - The Dolphins expect WR Ted Ginn role in the offense to increase with WR Chris Chambers being shipped off to San Diego. However, QB Cleo Lemon's inaccurate arm may prevent Ginn Jr. from developing into the team's deep threat for now. On the only deep attempt of the day, Lemon overshot Ginn who had beaten DB Ellis Hobbs. Ginn was also overthrown while he was wide open in the corner of the end zone later in the game

Another missed TD on a holding play

Week 10 - Ginn caught one pass for 12 yards and ran a reverse for no gain. In the fourth quarter, after Buffalo tied the game, Ginn returned the ensuing kickoff 94 yards for an apparent touchdown but the play was called back on a holding penalty

There was another holding play that brought back a return as well.

Seems to me that more consistent a better qb play will only help this kid. Also to be noted. Week 13 the jets double teamed Ginn the whole game.

 

[LBH]

I'm also floored to see guys like Patrick Clayton and Steve Smith (NYG) ranked higher.

I wouldn't take Ginn and a high 2nd rd rookie for Smith.

Good luck with that. Ginn is a more talented version of his fellow OSU alum Holmes. He just isn't as polished. He will be a significant contributor in a matter of time. He will likely be inserted into a WR1 role as well. Mia is going to find ways to get Ginn the ball next year. Significant value here IMO.

Ginn doesn't have the overall WR skills that Steve Smith (NYG) has.

Smith has some skills, but I doubt he'll ever be more than a #2. Ginn may be raw but he's explosive in a way that Smith never will be. It also not encouraging that he was the #2 at USC behind two busts at WR.

Sometimes teams pick the wrong WR to draft when there are 2 or more talented ones from the same team.signed,

Laverneous Coles