Tell me how you feel about the Patriots (1 Viewer)

[bradyfan]

Poll to see what I'm up against... Let me know if you want me to add a poll option.

 

[Raider Nation]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes.

I covered the team for a local radio station in the early 90s, and there were more players than fans in the stands.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

<_<

 

[pollardsvision]

i'm a jags fan, but i have a mancrush on belichick and moss is one of my favorite players of all-time.

i enjoy domination and think people that whine about sportsmanship in professional sports are pansies. i have pulled for the patriots to win every game this season (except for the jags game).

the jags are the wife i love dearly and would never actually cheat on.

the patriots are the dirty slut that i fantasize about from time to time.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

People don't hate the Patriots. Their fans are unbearable though.

 

[timschochet]

Not only are they the best team in human history, they are also the Lord's gift to us football fans. I have never seen a more awesome collection of superior athletes, and neither has anyone else. I'm frankly stunned that other teams just don't stare in awe when the Patriots even walk in the field. Greatest of all time? Hell, yes!

But that is nothing compared to the fans. Never in my life have I seen such a humble, honest group of guys, especially on this website. I really appreciate how you guys aren't arrogant, how you give credit to other teams, how you're just happy to be where you are and you never try to rub it in. I just want to hug each and every one of you in gratitude!

Gosh, I'm so filled with joy and reverence for New England that I just can't go on. I'm going to cry in happiness now over the wonder of life and that I was so blessed to even discuss this topic- so I have to sign off. I love you all!! So happy!

 

[Pat Patriot]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

 

[JohnnyU]

Great, another "Do you hate the Patriots" thread. I voted Proud Patriot hater in this one, just like all the others.

 

[twitch]

Poll to see what I'm up against... Let me know if you want me to add a poll option.

"Bradyfan". I like that. Nice touch.

 

[fred_1_15301]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

Even the Cardinals have "fans in the stand"......

 

[timschochet]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

Uh, didn't the Pats go to the playoffs several times with Bledsoe? Including a SB? They surely must have had some fans then!(Actually, that brings back memories for me as a Steeler fan of that fog playoff game where I couldn't see anything on the TV screen, and the Steelers got crushed. Man how I hated that game!)

 

[Mr. Peterson]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Very

 

[Raider Nation]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

You're a good dude so I don't feel like fighting with you here, but I saw it with my own eyes. Again, I was there working the games. The time period I referenced specifically was the "early 90s"... meaning the Rod Rust/**** MacPherson era. In the three years between 1990 and 1992, the Pats won all of NINE games. Perhaps the seats were sold.... but that stadium was half-empty.I've said time and again, I salute the Pats fans who actually did support the team through those lean years. The "fans" I cannot stomach are the ones dressed up head-to-toe in Pats gear, and they SWEAR they were the ones in the stands back then.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Loyal fan since pre-historic times (before Tom Brady) [ 5 ] ** [23.81%]

 

[Pat Patriot]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

You're a good dude so I don't feel like fighting with you here, but I saw it with my own eyes. Again, I was there working the games. The time period I referenced specifically was the "early 90s"... meaning the Rod Rust/**** MacPherson era. In the three years between 1990 and 1992, the Pats won all of NINE games. Perhaps the seats were sold.... but that stadium was half-empty.I've said time and again, I salute the Pats fans who actually did support the team through those lean years. The "fans" I cannot stomach are the ones dressed up head-to-toe in Pats gear, and they SWEAR they were the ones in the stands back then.

As you can see, my season ticket years exclude those years. I have always been a fan but the ownership was so terrible in that time period, I stopped buying tickets. I got my season tickets back when Parcells was hired and got rid of them when he left. That period coincided with coaching football on Sundays so I was paying for 10 games and going to about 4.I was on Parcells side when he left and never particularly liked Bob Kraft. Still dont really.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Everyone has a story about how they froze their tails off at Sullivan Stadium.

Love it.

They can't even admit they are bandwagon jumpers.

Worst fans ever.

 

[JohnnyU]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

Uh, didn't the Pats go to the playoffs several times with Bledsoe? Including a SB? They surely must have had some fans then!(Actually, that brings back memories for me as a Steeler fan of that fog playoff game where I couldn't see anything on the TV screen, and the Steelers got crushed. Man how I hated that game!)

My hatred goes back to the Steve Grogan battles with Bert Jones.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Love the style of play and results, dislike a few of the players (Harrison, Seau), dislike a lot of the fans.

 

[Raider Nation]

My hatred goes back to the Steve Grogan battles with Bert Jones.

Whitey could scramble, couldn't he? But I think he'd have a hard time even being a 3rd-string QB today (if he was in his prime) with his limited skill set.

 

[JohnnyU]

My hatred goes back to the Steve Grogan battles with Bert Jones.

Whitey could scramble, couldn't he? But I think he'd have a hard time even being a 3rd-string QB today (if he was in his prime) with his limited skill set.

Grogan had some talent and poise. He could easily start for some teams in this era. Edit - just look at some of the bums that are currently starting in the NFL.

 

[Raider Nation]

My hatred goes back to the Steve Grogan battles with Bert Jones.

Whitey could scramble, couldn't he? But I think he'd have a hard time even being a 3rd-string QB today (if he was in his prime) with his limited skill set.

Grogan had some talent and poise. He could easily start for some teams in this era. Edit - just look at some of the bums that are currently starting in the NFL.

Ya think??? He wasn't even that great 30 years ago... 182 career TD passes, 208 career INTs.But hey, numbers like that get you an ugly yellow jacket if your last name is "Namath"....

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Other:

Hope they don't win but still respect what they've accomplished by playing team football.

 

[VonRomig]

How about adding "Respected the team until learning of their cheating, and then realized that they destroyed the integrity of the league, put their Superbowl wins into question, showed their unsportsmanship by running up the score, and therefore I have no respect for them or the fans that blindly follow such cheaters."

Or something like that...

Von

 

[cstu]

1993-2001:

Loyal fan since pre-historic times (before Tom Brady)

Since 2001:

Patriots hater and proud of it

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

3 votes was hyperbole. I know there are some longtime supporters out there. And they deserve all the fun and glory the Pats have had recently. You don't doubt now that there are magnitudes more Pats fans now than there were. and I know, championships will do that. But try to find one who will admit that they've hopped on the bandwagon since '01. The numbers indicate there have to be about a kajillion of them, but try to find just one who will say "Yeah, I didn't care much about the Pats until they started winning". good luck.

 

[bradyfan]

Don't know why the poll disappeared. I restored it with 2 more options. Vote again if you like.

 

[twitch]

How about adding "Respected the team until learning of their cheating, and then realized that they destroyed the integrity of the league, put their Superbowl wins into question, showed their unsportsmanship by running up the score, and therefore I have no respect for them or the fans that blindly follow such cheaters."Or something like that...Von

how bout you just change your name to Captain Knucklehead and call it a day.

 

[TheAristocrat]

Big fan this season. When I looked at their team on paper in the preseason, I loved it. Wish it were my Vikings, but I am doomed for yearly heartbreak.

I purchased a Pats Moss jersey before the playoffs, out of my mancrush on Moss and the team in general.

I'll be a fan during the SuperBowl, cheering on their run towards 19-0.

 

[radballs]

As a Raiders fan, my Patriots hatred began when they knocked us out in the playoffs when I was hoping to get a shot at the '85 Bears.

Tuck rule made it worse.

Their recent success and Bill Belichick have taken it to the point where I dislike the Patriots more than the other AFC West teams.

Still, I respect long time Pat fans as long as I know that they are. Bandwagon jumpers rank right up there with bet welchers and pedophiles.

 

[Road Warriors]

My hatred goes back to the Steve Grogan battles with Bert Jones.

Whitey could scramble, couldn't he? But I think he'd have a hard time even being a 3rd-string QB today (if he was in his prime) with his limited skill set.

Fair assessment, but I still wanted him in the game, crippled, over Tony "skirt" Eason. Grogan was a warrior.

 

[VonRomig]

How about adding "Respected the team until learning of their cheating, and then realized that they destroyed the integrity of the league, put their Superbowl wins into question, showed their unsportsmanship by running up the score, and therefore I have no respect for them or the fans that blindly follow such cheaters."Or something like that...Von

how bout you just change your name to Captain Knucklehead and call it a day.

I have found yet another whining Patriot fan... Just cause he is a fan of cheaters.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

1993-2001:Loyal fan since pre-historic times (before Tom Brady)Since 2001atriots hater and proud of it

Stanley Morgan, Walter Payton, Michael Singletary, and Jerry Rice were my favorite players growing up that weren't Steelers.

 

[pillowpants]

The Grandfathers and Fathers of todays Patriots fans were/are Giants fans, oddly enough. There are a lot of older gentlemen throughout New England who view this matchup as a dream because of the fact that the team they grew up rooting for and the team in their own backyard, are both playing in the Super Bowl. Walk into any coffee shop from Caribou, Maine south to Providence, RI and you will talk to quite a few Giants fans.

 

[Despyzer]

In the early 80's, the Patriots were my 1A team. Even today I list Stanley "Steamer" Morgan, Mosi Tatupu, Andre Tippet, and John Hannah amongst my all-time favorite players.

I've also always been fond of their QBs, for some reason. Grogan, Eason, Bledsoe, and now Brady are all guys I have a history of defending (Plunkett, not so much).

I still find myself rooting for the team while secretly harboring the hope of disappointment for their insufferable fan-base.

 

[Road Warriors]

In the early 80's, the Patriots were my 1A team. Even today I list Stanley "Steamer" Morgan, Mosi Tatupu, Andre Tippet, and John Hannah amongst my all-time favorite players.I've also always been fond of their QBs, for some reason. Grogan, Eason, Bledsoe, and now Brady are all guys I have a history of defending (Plunkett, not so much).I still find myself rooting for the team while secretly harboring the hope of disappointment for their insufferable fan-base.

Just a hint... you'll suffer a lot less of the insufferable fan base if you don't spend lots of your time on message board threads about the Patriots. You tend to run into a pretty significant number of them there.HTH

 

[Despyzer]

Just a hint... you'll suffer a lot less of the insufferable fan base if you don't spend lots of your time on message board threads about the Patriots. You tend to run into a pretty significant number of them there.HTH

I'm sure you're right. Seems a bit unfair that I can't read/share about one of my favorite sports franchises just because of their fans.

 

[JohnnyU]

My hatred goes back to the Steve Grogan battles with Bert Jones.

Whitey could scramble, couldn't he? But I think he'd have a hard time even being a 3rd-string QB today (if he was in his prime) with his limited skill set.

Grogan had some talent and poise. He could easily start for some teams in this era. Edit - just look at some of the bums that are currently starting in the NFL.

Ya think??? He wasn't even that great 30 years ago... 182 career TD passes, 208 career INTs.But hey, numbers like that get you an ugly yellow jacket if your last name is "Namath"....

Even with those numbers Grogran was better than some starting NFL QBs today. Like one poster said, "he was a warrior". For some reason I still feared him whenever the Colts played the Patriots. The Patriots and Dolphins were the main competition of the Colts between 1976 - 1978. Let's put it this way, he would have started over Dilfer or McMahon if he played for either of those two teams in their Super Bowl runs. He would certainly start for the 49ers, Jets, Vikings, Dolphins, Ravens, Raiders, Chiefs, Bears, Falcons, Panthers, and possibly the Bills today if he were in his prime.

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

How about adding "Respected the team until learning of their cheating, and then realized that they destroyed the integrity of the league, put their Superbowl wins into question, showed their unsportsmanship by running up the score, and therefore I have no respect for them or the fans that blindly follow such cheaters."Or something like that...Von

I read the numerous voting options, agreed with none, and didn't vote, but I agree with this. Thanks Von Romig. So now this option has 2 votes. I wouldn't really expect a Pats fan to start a thread with an unfavorable view of the Pats that would include the detailed REASONS why "hating" is warranted. We don't hate just because we like hating, we hate for the above reasons.That said, if the Pats win a consolation is that FINALLY we will not need to hear about the '72 Dolphins being "the greatest". The Dolphins had the perfect season with much less talent, so in that respect, it would still be a more impressive feat, but they will not have gone 19 and 0 like the star studded Pats.

 

[twitch]

How about adding "Respected the team until learning of their cheating, and then realized that they destroyed the integrity of the league, put their Superbowl wins into question, showed their unsportsmanship by running up the score, and therefore I have no respect for them or the fans that blindly follow such cheaters."Or something like that...Von

how bout you just change your name to Captain Knucklehead and call it a day.

I have found yet another whining Patriot fan... Just cause he is a fan of cheaters.

Yeah, youre the guy that likes using the word 'cheat' alot. About 20 times in another post. Got your point. Look, man. Why dont you practice what you preach and mix in a little forgiveness. You know, forgiveness? You are familiar with that concept, no? Forgiveness? They cheated 5 months ago. Theyve won 18 straight games since then. Forgive these guys and move on. I understand its not a big deal to you, and your life isnt impacted much by that scandal when it comes to the bigger picture. No one really is. save the "destroying the integrity of the league" speech for one of your little group meetings, and like I said, learn to forgive. I cant believe Im having to actually tell you this, considering your faith.

 

[moondog]

How about adding "Respected the team until learning of their cheating, and then realized that they destroyed the integrity of the league, put their Superbowl wins into question, showed their unsportsmanship by running up the score, and therefore I have no respect for them or the fans that blindly follow such cheaters."Or something like that...Von

I read the numerous voting options, agreed with none, and didn't vote, but I agree with this. Thanks Von Romig. So now this option has 2 votes. I wouldn't really expect a Pats fan to start a thread with an unfavorable view of the Pats that would include the detailed REASONS why "hating" is warranted. We don't hate just because we like hating, we hate for the above reasons.That said, if the Pats win a consolation is that FINALLY we will not need to hear about the '72 Dolphins being "the greatest". The Dolphins had the perfect season with much less talent, so in that respect, it would still be a more impressive feat, but they will not have gone 19 and 0 like the star studded Pats.

Three votes

 

[moondog]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

You're a good dude so I don't feel like fighting with you here, but I saw it with my own eyes. Again, I was there working the games. The time period I referenced specifically was the "early 90s"... meaning the Rod Rust/**** MacPherson era. In the three years between 1990 and 1992, the Pats won all of NINE games. Perhaps the seats were sold.... but that stadium was half-empty.I've said time and again, I salute the Pats fans who actually did support the team through those lean years. The "fans" I cannot stomach are the ones dressed up head-to-toe in Pats gear, and they SWEAR they were the ones in the stands back then.

As you can see, my season ticket years exclude those years. I have always been a fan but the ownership was so terrible in that time period, I stopped buying tickets. I got my season tickets back when Parcells was hired and got rid of them when he left. That period coincided with coaching football on Sundays so I was paying for 10 games and going to about 4.I was on Parcells side when he left and never particularly liked Bob Kraft. Still dont really.

The fact that you could buy season tickets not once but twice separated by four years tells us all we need to know about how many old time NE fans there vs the number of bandwagon jumpers.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Love the style of play and results, dislike a few of the players (Harrison, Seau), dislike a lot of the fans.

harrison I can see but Seau?

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Love the style of play and results, dislike a few of the players (Harrison, Seau), dislike a lot of the fans.

I hate the Patriots. I can understand disliking Harrison, Vrabel, etc but what is wrong w/ Seau, guy has been a good player/guy for years, never considered dirty

 

[Jercules]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes.

That is absolutely true. Furthermore, if everyone answers HONESTLY, most of the votes for 6 and 8 would go into 7.

 

[Road Warriors]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

You're a good dude so I don't feel like fighting with you here, but I saw it with my own eyes. Again, I was there working the games. The time period I referenced specifically was the "early 90s"... meaning the Rod Rust/**** MacPherson era. In the three years between 1990 and 1992, the Pats won all of NINE games. Perhaps the seats were sold.... but that stadium was half-empty.I've said time and again, I salute the Pats fans who actually did support the team through those lean years. The "fans" I cannot stomach are the ones dressed up head-to-toe in Pats gear, and they SWEAR they were the ones in the stands back then.

As you can see, my season ticket years exclude those years. I have always been a fan but the ownership was so terrible in that time period, I stopped buying tickets. I got my season tickets back when Parcells was hired and got rid of them when he left. That period coincided with coaching football on Sundays so I was paying for 10 games and going to about 4.I was on Parcells side when he left and never particularly liked Bob Kraft. Still dont really.

The fact that you could buy season tickets not once but twice separated by four years tells us all we need to know about how many old time NE fans there vs the number of bandwagon jumpers.

Somewhat true, but the bandwagon started with Parcell's arrival. Since about the day after the Pats announced Parcells as the new head coach, fans flocked to the stadium, and there has been a waiting list since.

 

[mattyt]

Love the style of play and results, dislike a few of the players (Harrison, Seau), dislike a lot of the fans.

harrison I can see but Seau?

Besides being the poster boy for celebrating meaningless tackles, there is something else that bothered me personally. Being a Chargers fan, I'm surprised it doesn't bother you ...From Wikipedia..."Seau announced his retirement on August 14th, 2006 after signing a one-day contract with the San Diego Chargers at an emotional press conference. He called his retirement a "graduation", because he was not going to stop working. He contended that he was merely moving on to the next phase of his life. [3] However, he returned to football just four days later, signing with the Patriots for an undisclosed sum."The Chargers honored his career by organizing an elaborate celebration for his retirement and Seau thanked them by signing with the Pats the same week. Then the Pats promptly knocked the Chargers out of the playoffs two years in a row.

 

[Workhorse]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

3 votes was hyperbole. I know there are some longtime supporters out there. And they deserve all the fun and glory the Pats have had recently. You don't doubt now that there are magnitudes more Pats fans now than there were. and I know, championships will do that. But try to find one who will admit that they've hopped on the bandwagon since '01. The numbers indicate there have to be about a kajillion of them, but try to find just one who will say "Yeah, I didn't care much about the Pats until they started winning". good luck.

I was a Patriots fan growing up in the Boston area in the 1980s (and I'm STILL bitter about Stanley Morgan dropping a sure TD in the first quarter of Super Bowl XX that could have put the Pats up 10-0) but got turned off by the total mismanagement of the team from 1990-1993. I jumped aboard again when Bob Kraft bought the team in 1994.People tend to forget how dark it was in Foxborough back then and there were totally legit reasons why MANY Patriots fans abandoned the team for a while:Obviously, the Patriots were beyond lousy on the field and had no hope in sight to turn things around during the Rod Rust/**** McPherson era. But it wasn't about wins and losses for me - The Red Sox were pretty bad during that same time period but I (and many, many other Boston sports fans) kept watching the Sox and going to the games. There were two key events during that 1990-1993 period that forced me to temporarily abandon my fandom of the Pats:* The whole Lisa Olson fiasco. That incident turned off a TON of people to the Pats locally. How can you root for a team whose players blatantly sexually harassed a female reporter in the locker room and were protected and supported by both the General Manager and the Owner? As a college student at the time, I was disgusted by the reports of "die hard Patriot fans" who sent Olson death threats and slashed her tires. Who could blame fans for not wanting to be associated with such "Die Hards"???? I made a conscious decision to avoid anything Patriot until that whole regime and those players were gone.* After the Olson thing, the team had a totally unsettled ownership situation when Victor Kiam sold the team to James Orthwein. Things went from awful to downright depressing. Just when the cancers of the Kiam regime were removed, Orthwein took over the team and it nearly moved away. People forget how close the Patriots were to moving to St. Louis for nearly a whole TWO YEAR period as Orthwein desperately wanted to replace the Cardinals in his home town. I certainly wasn't going to jump back on board the Patriots "bandwagon" only to have my heart broken when my team moved away.Once Bob Kraft "overpaid" for the Pats in 1994 (people forget that most around the NFL thought Kraft was INSANE for spending that much for the team - Funny how times change), the Patriots fans came back in droves, selling out the stadium in that first year of his ownership. As soon as the ownership situation was settled, the Kiam fiasco was far enough in the rear view mirror and fans knew that the team wasn't going to move, many of us came back in full force. So if that makes me a "bandwagon Pats fan", well, guilty as charged. But I'd argue that anyone who stuck with the Patriots during the 1990-1993 seasons might have more to answer for than those of us who jumped ship.

 

[Bill Lust]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

You're a good dude so I don't feel like fighting with you here, but I saw it with my own eyes. Again, I was there working the games. The time period I referenced specifically was the "early 90s"... meaning the Rod Rust/**** MacPherson era. In the three years between 1990 and 1992, the Pats won all of NINE games. Perhaps the seats were sold.... but that stadium was half-empty.I've said time and again, I salute the Pats fans who actually did support the team through those lean years. The "fans" I cannot stomach are the ones dressed up head-to-toe in Pats gear, and they SWEAR they were the ones in the stands back then.

As you can see, my season ticket years exclude those years. I have always been a fan but the ownership was so terrible in that time period, I stopped buying tickets. I got my season tickets back when Parcells was hired and got rid of them when he left. That period coincided with coaching football on Sundays so I was paying for 10 games and going to about 4.I was on Parcells side when he left and never particularly liked Bob Kraft. Still dont really.

The fact that you could buy season tickets not once but twice separated by four years tells us all we need to know about how many old time NE fans there vs the number of bandwagon jumpers.

Somewhat true, but the bandwagon started with Parcell's arrival. Since about the day after the Pats announced Parcells as the new head coach, fans flocked to the stadium, and there has been a waiting list since.

When James Ortwein owned the team, he made no secret of his desire to move it to St. Louis. Thankfully, Bob Kraft stepped in and kept it where it belongs. How can anyone expect a team's fans to support a team when it is about to be moved?

 

[Road Warriors]

If everyone answers HONESTLY, option # 1 will end up with about three votes

Are you really serious? You are delusional. Pats season ticket holder from 1983-1988 and 1994-1997. The stands werent empty before 2001. There wasnt a 50,000 person waiting list back then but there were fans in the stands.

You're a good dude so I don't feel like fighting with you here, but I saw it with my own eyes. Again, I was there working the games. The time period I referenced specifically was the "early 90s"... meaning the Rod Rust/**** MacPherson era. In the three years between 1990 and 1992, the Pats won all of NINE games. Perhaps the seats were sold.... but that stadium was half-empty.I've said time and again, I salute the Pats fans who actually did support the team through those lean years. The "fans" I cannot stomach are the ones dressed up head-to-toe in Pats gear, and they SWEAR they were the ones in the stands back then.

As you can see, my season ticket years exclude those years. I have always been a fan but the ownership was so terrible in that time period, I stopped buying tickets. I got my season tickets back when Parcells was hired and got rid of them when he left. That period coincided with coaching football on Sundays so I was paying for 10 games and going to about 4.I was on Parcells side when he left and never particularly liked Bob Kraft. Still dont really.

The fact that you could buy season tickets not once but twice separated by four years tells us all we need to know about how many old time NE fans there vs the number of bandwagon jumpers.

Somewhat true, but the bandwagon started with Parcell's arrival. Since about the day after the Pats announced Parcells as the new head coach, fans flocked to the stadium, and there has been a waiting list since.

When James Ortwein owned the team, he made no secret of his desire to move it to St. Louis. Thankfully, Bob Karft stepped in and kept it where it belongs. How can anyone expect a team's fans to support a team when it is about to be moved?

I knew there was a dark period in the early 90s, but I've successfully repressed those memories. Its much less painful that way.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Love the style of play and results, dislike a few of the players (Harrison, Seau), dislike a lot of the fans.

harrison I can see but Seau?

Besides being the poster boy for celebrating meaningless tackles, there is something else that bothered me personally. Being a Chargers fan, I'm surprised it doesn't bother you ...From Wikipedia..."Seau announced his retirement on August 14th, 2006 after signing a one-day contract with the San Diego Chargers at an emotional press conference. He called his retirement a "graduation", because he was not going to stop working. He contended that he was merely moving on to the next phase of his life. [3] However, he returned to football just four days later, signing with the Patriots for an undisclosed sum."The Chargers honored his career by organizing an elaborate celebration for his retirement and Seau thanked them by signing with the Pats the same week. Then the Pats promptly knocked the Chargers out of the playoffs two years in a row.

He wanted to keep playing but retired b/c he thought no one wanted him to play for them. The Pats came calling and he signed. He will always consider himself a Charger and will go into the HOF fame as a Charger. I think the Chargers and their fans are happy for him (other then the playoff losses of course)