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Footballguy
As you mentioned earlier, even though Serena won the 2nd set, that's where she lost the match. Great composure by Tomijanovich given the circumstances.
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Tennis: French Open wide open (2 Viewers)
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As you mentioned earlier, even though Serena won the 2nd set, that's where she lost the match. Great composure by Tomijanovich given the circumstances.
Dr. No
Footballguy
I've enjoyed that Raducanu backed up that last year's uso was one of the greatest fluke runs ever. Women's tennis is an absolute joke right now.
I hate that Joker hasn't gotten to play 2 of the majors. I know he could. But tennis wise it sucks.
That said in the post Federer era I'm only watching about 1\20th of the tennis I used to. Sucks
I hate that Joker hasn't gotten to play 2 of the majors. I know he could. But tennis wise it sucks.
That said in the post Federer era I'm only watching about 1\20th of the tennis I used to. Sucks
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I know some will want to shoot the messenger, given that he is a bit of a tool, but Jason Whitlock has a good breakdown here of why Serena Williams is not the female GOAT when it comes to tennis:
www.youtube.com
Why Serena Williams Ain’t the GOAT
While Serena Williams is undeniably an extremely talented tennis player, her status as "greatest of all time" is misplaced. She’s benefiting from a time wher...
www.youtube.com
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Whitlock will write literally anything to get you to click.
I do think Graf is, at a minimum, way closer to Serena than she's given credit for though. She won 22 majors, a calendar Golden Slam, and retired at 30. There's an argument IMO.
I do think Graf is, at a minimum, way closer to Serena than she's given credit for though. She won 22 majors, a calendar Golden Slam, and retired at 30. There's an argument IMO.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
For sure. The idea that Williams is the unquestioned GOAT is ridiculous, considering others have a strong argument as well. One thing not brought up was that Williams has had less than difficult competition over her career. Think of the greatest women's tennis players ever. Did any of them have their prime at the same time as Serena? Nope. Meanwhile, the primes of Graff, Evert and Martina all pretty much overlapped (maybe not Evert and Graff as much). And of course Margaret Court, not Serena, has the most majors ever, but we are supposed to ignore that, I suppose.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Well, I think of greatest as meaning "would beat all the others more often than they'd lose". So Court, BJK, Everett, Martina and most of the others are right out IMO. They just wouldn't be able to handle the pace.
The only two I've seen that I think had the overall game and enough power to compete with Serena were Graf and a maybe a pre-stabbing Seles (people forget how completely dominant she was). But Graf is the one I'd really like to see. She was strong, crazy tough minded and didn't really have holes in her game. I'd still give the edge to Serena overall, but it's close IMO.
The only two I've seen that I think had the overall game and enough power to compete with Serena were Graf and a maybe a pre-stabbing Seles (people forget how completely dominant she was). But Graf is the one I'd really like to see. She was strong, crazy tough minded and didn't really have holes in her game. I'd still give the edge to Serena overall, but it's close IMO.
Capella
Footballguy
You’re talking about Serena’s competition and then bring up Margaret Court? Come on.
Evert has said multiple times Serena is the greatest ever. Pretty sure Martina has too.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Those are all hypotheticals, all of which are based on opinions and scenarios that will never happen. I think it is better to judge and rank players based off what they did, not what they could have done in a different era or against that player or whatever.
That is just Evert and Martina being gracious and showing humility. I doubt either would have the arrogance to ever call themselves the GOAT (a true GOAT never really has to come out and say it). Meanwhile, Serena calls herself the GOAT on the home page of her website and sells overpriced merchandise there where she calls herself the GOAT. The next time Serena Williams shows a little humility will be the first time. She's an all-timer for sure, but she is more Michael Jordan than Wayne Gretzky (to compare her to two widely-called GOATs for a moment); that killer instinct on the court that makes them so great at their sport is what also makes them not very likable people (for many).
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Nick kyrgios is a national treasure. For all nations.
facook
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Medvedev cannot handle the kyrgios experience
facook
Footballguy
We were sitting down to dinner and my wife saw Nick on the tv. "Oh man, this doosh bag again?"
She knows.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I understand why people think that but I honestly think that he is just genuinely himself and sometimes that is terrible and sometimes that’s amazing and sometimes it’s fun and sometimes it’s super irritating. I still would rather watch him than just about any other player
facook
Footballguy
I don't disagree. I kinda hate that his mental/emotional health sometimes handicaps his AMAZING natural ability. He is a supremely gifted player. His serve and volley game tonight was friggin ridic.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Holy aces, Batman
El Floppo
Footballguy
if only there was one person winning everything instead... that would make things awesome.
I prefer the parity.
and again- I LOVED that a teenager came through qualifying and won the US Open. just an amazing story- regardless of what she's done since (as a teenager) or what she might have in her future. Fernandez has been the clear better player and likely has the better future... doesn't diminish what an amazing story last years' open was. and still weird to me that you seem to relish somebody else's brief and likely flukey success not being gold star continuing success.
Capella
Footballguy
You seem very bitter about this. Just enjoy the sports.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Alcaraz-Sinner was one of the greatest matches I've ever seen. Just epic. Both guys trading haymakers and neither one giving an inch. Amazing.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
19 year old Carlos Alcaraz ( 
) just won a 5-set, 5:15 classic over 21 year old Jannik Sinner(
.) High quality tennis and Alcaraz is a joy to watch.
#3 seed, taking on Tiafoe (
) in one semi. McEnroe thinks he will be a multiple GS winner.
) just won a 5-set, 5:15 classic over 21 year old Jannik Sinner(.) High quality tennis and Alcaraz is a joy to watch. #3 seed, taking on Tiafoe (
) in one semi. McEnroe thinks he will be a multiple GS winner.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
In terms of living tennis royalty, it doesn’t get any bigger than Billie Jean, Chrissie and Martina on the Women’s side. They all have the same opinion on who is the GoAT.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Well anyway…
Major
Footballguy
Yep. Anyone complaining about this Open definitely isn't watching it. Some great tennis being played.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
what a match!
Tiafoe wins his 8th straight tiebreak (new U.S. Open record) to force a 5th set
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Tiafoe winning the match without making a single first serve would be impressive
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
regardless of outcome here, Carlos Alcaraz is the next great who will be a multi-GS champ
makes his opponent hit so many extra shots, gets to everything
makes his opponent hit so many extra shots, gets to everything
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Iga Świątek is looking to add a hardcourt major title today to her two Roland Garros wins. Her opponent was the runner up at Wimbledon.
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Tomorrow will be accession and coronation day at Flushing Meadow. The winner will achieve his first grand slam AND will become number one in the world rankings.
(5) Casper Rudd
ATP #7, 44-15 in 2022, 2nd GS Final (2nd @ 2022 Roland Garros). He’s 0-2 head-to-head versus his opponent, losing both on straight sets.
(3) Carlos AlcarazATP #4, 50-9 in 2022, two Masters 1000 wins (Miami & Madrid), four titles for the season.
Last year Alcaraz became the youngest US Open quarterfinalist since 1963. This year he became the youngest man to reach a US Open semifinal and final since Pete Sampras in 1990 (when he won the title at 19.)
If he wins tomorrow, as is widely anticipated, he’ll be the youngest world number 1 of the Open Era.
Alcaraz beat Rudd in the finals at Miami, after which he received congratulations from the King of Spain and Rafael Nadal. The day after he turned 19, he beat Rafa at Madrid - and the next day he beat Djokovic. This has been building a long time, the first teenager in the rankings since Andy Murray in 2007.
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Tomorrow will be accession and coronation day at Flushing Meadow. The winner will achieve his first grand slam AND will become number one in the world rankings.
(5) Casper Rudd
ATP #7, 44-15 in 2022, 2nd GS Final (2nd @ 2022 Roland Garros). He’s 0-2 head-to-head versus his opponent, losing both on straight sets.(3) Carlos Alcaraz
ATP #4, 50-9 in 2022, two Masters 1000 wins (Miami & Madrid), four titles for the season. Last year Alcaraz became the youngest US Open quarterfinalist since 1963. This year he became the youngest man to reach a US Open semifinal and final since Pete Sampras in 1990 (when he won the title at 19.)
If he wins tomorrow, as is widely anticipated, he’ll be the youngest world number 1 of the Open Era.
Alcaraz beat Rudd in the finals at Miami, after which he received congratulations from the King of Spain and Rafael Nadal. The day after he turned 19, he beat Rafa at Madrid - and the next day he beat Djokovic. This has been building a long time, the first teenager in the rankings since Andy Murray in 2007.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Tiafoe showed a ton of heart in getting that thing to a 5th set. I thought he was done in the 4th when he got down a game early on. I was rooting for him, as he's from my neck of the woods.
I haven't watched much of Ruud. He's obviously very good.
But Alcaraz is something special. He's no longer an up-and-comer - he's there. You can just see it. I'm no expert, but he doesn't seem to have any holes in his game and it appears his style would appear to translate across surfaces.
I haven't watched much of Ruud. He's obviously very good.
But Alcaraz is something special. He's no longer an up-and-comer - he's there. You can just see it. I'm no expert, but he doesn't seem to have any holes in his game and it appears his style would appear to translate across surfaces.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Humor me as I’m a non-bettor…
This means you’d have to bet $230 on Alcaraz to win your money back + $100, and if you bet $100 on Rudd you would receive $180?
Or is that not even close…
facook
Footballguy
$180 plus your $100 back on Ruud. Yes, you've got it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I missed that part
I thought bet 100 Rudd get 180 if he wins, but it’s 100 in 280 payout
anyway good to know what everyone else is talking about lol thnx
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Good start for Alcaraz in the first set, but he has fallen in love with his drop shot too much in the second. It has cost him a number of times as Ruud looks to even things up.
ETA: Fittingly, Ruud wins the second set on another ill-advised drop shot from the Spaniard.
ETA: Fittingly, Ruud wins the second set on another ill-advised drop shot from the Spaniard.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Of course, Alcaraz breaks Ruud in the first game of the third with a...drop shot. 
The kid has no conscience.
The kid has no conscience.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Alcatraz being very
Nailed it.
[I][U]rude[/U][/I] to casperNailed it.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Holy crow
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Alcaraz guts out the 3rd in a tiebreak. Ruud looked like the better player for much of that set, but Alcaraz dug deep on the points that mattered the most.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
The teenager finishes it in 4. What an amazing performance over the course of this tournament. Such a compelling player.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Laver Cup will be Federer's last ATP event
That one guy
Footballguy
Selfishly disappointed we don’t get a big send off for Roger, upset there isn’t at least one more view of him on Centre Court at Wimbledon. Well deserved retirement to my personal GOAT, his play was poetry in motion
Mookie
Footballguy
Federer's backhand was one of sport's greatest treasures. Good luck Roger and thanks for the memories!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
My all-time favorite.
He wasn’t merely the best player of his time; he was the best ambassador any sport ever had. Feel so lucky to have seen him at his peak. Saw the majority of his US Open matches when he won five consecutive years at Flushing Meadow (2004-08), including his first three finals.
First time I saw him live - Round of 32 match vs Juan Carlos Ferrero (now the coach of Alcaraz) at The Grandstand Court on a Friday afternoon.
this rally was insane
JCF beat him in 4 sets (2 tie breaks), but in the 3rd set Fed blew him off the court 6-1.
Few athletes ever brought me more joy. Mark Fidrych. Barry. Tiger. Roger. That’s my Mr Rushmore of Joy.
He could hit shots that defied science, just blew our minds.
Ten Times Federer Blew Our Minds
the last 2 are really great (VS Roddick and Agassi)
He wasn’t merely the best player of his time; he was the best ambassador any sport ever had. Feel so lucky to have seen him at his peak. Saw the majority of his US Open matches when he won five consecutive years at Flushing Meadow (2004-08), including his first three finals.
First time I saw him live - Round of 32 match vs Juan Carlos Ferrero (now the coach of Alcaraz) at The Grandstand Court on a Friday afternoon.
this rally was insane
JCF beat him in 4 sets (2 tie breaks), but in the 3rd set Fed blew him off the court 6-1.
Few athletes ever brought me more joy. Mark Fidrych. Barry. Tiger. Roger. That’s my Mr Rushmore of Joy.
He could hit shots that defied science, just blew our minds.
Ten Times Federer Blew Our Minds
the last 2 are really great (VS Roddick and Agassi)
