fruity pebbles
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its not that he was just seen in chicago. he was seen in chicago with a number of bears players as well.
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whitem0nkey
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Fair enough, but they did not meet up it was just happenstance. source:linkfruity pebbles said:
TO is immature and a great promoter, why not make a tweet about hanging out later on the night after running into each other by accident and stir the pot. it gets his name out there and people on fantasy football sites during the summer talk about it since no games are on.
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candymanvandyfan
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Hester and Knox: Their combined career numbers, covering 5 NFL seasons.
20 career starts, 173 receptions, 2248 receiving yards, 13 touchdowns
These two aren't worldbeaters. A strong wind would blow either one of them over. They're both weak and small.
From a strength standpoint, Eddie Royal is Hercules compared to these two. They get manhandled, bumped, and go down easily. The sideline defends both these guys really well. They don't compete for balls in the air well for the exact same reason that point guards don't typically lead the NBA in rebounding.
One was not drafted as a wide receiver. The other was a fifth round pick. These two should be splitting time in the slot, not trying to be a #1 or #2.
They don't compare to Owens, even now. That's not Andre Johnson out there, Bears fans, no matter how hard you squint. They're just a couple of guys the Bears are trying to make work.
Unless the NFL defenders just let these two guys off the line and sprint down the field without being touched, and then those two receivers dart to the exact place that Jay is throwing the ball to before they dart to it, this could be a very long season. All of this, of course, has to happen without them tripping over that divot-filled Hereford pasture the Bears are calling a football field and within the time period that a porous offensive line gives the quarterback (hopefully not getting pummeled within an inch of his life) to throw. Note, these two also can't quit on the route, or try to sit down in man coverage, as Hester did last year.
One of the only positive things out of this for these two will be the scramble rules built into the Mike Martz offense. Knox and Hester, if they follow the rules on the scrambles and if Hester can decide not to loaf around the field like a lost puppy when the quarterback is facing defensive pressure, could have some big "broken" plays in this system. Mike Martz will beat their brains in if these Wide Receivers just slow down or stop running on these routes the way they did last year. They are really going to need to run by people, though, in order to be effective.
We'll see. I don't think they want Owens. I think Angelo is trying to "develop" his WR talent and build a common offensive nucleus for future years.
20 career starts, 173 receptions, 2248 receiving yards, 13 touchdowns
These two aren't worldbeaters. A strong wind would blow either one of them over. They're both weak and small.
From a strength standpoint, Eddie Royal is Hercules compared to these two. They get manhandled, bumped, and go down easily. The sideline defends both these guys really well. They don't compete for balls in the air well for the exact same reason that point guards don't typically lead the NBA in rebounding.
One was not drafted as a wide receiver. The other was a fifth round pick. These two should be splitting time in the slot, not trying to be a #1 or #2.
They don't compare to Owens, even now. That's not Andre Johnson out there, Bears fans, no matter how hard you squint. They're just a couple of guys the Bears are trying to make work.
Unless the NFL defenders just let these two guys off the line and sprint down the field without being touched, and then those two receivers dart to the exact place that Jay is throwing the ball to before they dart to it, this could be a very long season. All of this, of course, has to happen without them tripping over that divot-filled Hereford pasture the Bears are calling a football field and within the time period that a porous offensive line gives the quarterback (hopefully not getting pummeled within an inch of his life) to throw. Note, these two also can't quit on the route, or try to sit down in man coverage, as Hester did last year.
One of the only positive things out of this for these two will be the scramble rules built into the Mike Martz offense. Knox and Hester, if they follow the rules on the scrambles and if Hester can decide not to loaf around the field like a lost puppy when the quarterback is facing defensive pressure, could have some big "broken" plays in this system. Mike Martz will beat their brains in if these Wide Receivers just slow down or stop running on these routes the way they did last year. They are really going to need to run by people, though, in order to be effective.
We'll see. I don't think they want Owens. I think Angelo is trying to "develop" his WR talent and build a common offensive nucleus for future years.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Terrell Owens was better last season, at age 36, playing for the 30th ranked passing offense........than any Chicago Bears wide receiver.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
May we assume from this that you disagree and that you think they are going deep into the playoffs this year?
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I don't think they are a 7-9 team this year...I think they take a wild card.
Urlacher played .5 games last year...losing him was very understated.
Add in Julius Peppers, one of the best DE's in the league.
Add in a better OC(whether you like him or not).
Add in more development of the young offense.
Add in Cutler more comfortable(he has never thrown over 18 INT's outside of last year....so it should go down).
Then draft picks and last year's class(which pretty much red shirted).
So yeah I say they improve by a few wins and a take at least a wild card.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Says the Packer fan
May we assume from this that you disagree and that you think they are going deep into the playoffs this year?
I don't think they are a 7-9 team this year...I think they take a wild card.
Urlacher played .5 games last year...losing him was very understated.
Add in Julius Peppers, one of the best DE's in the league.
Add in a better OC(whether you like him or not).
Add in more development of the young offense.
Add in Cutler more comfortable(he has never thrown over 18 INT's outside of last year....so it should go down).
Then draft picks and last year's class(which pretty much red shirted).
So yeah I say they improve by a few wins and a take at least a wild card.
From who? You're the 3rd best team in your division and it's not even close. Infact you're closer to 4th than 2nd.
May we assume from this that you disagree and that you think they are going deep into the playoffs this year?
I don't think they are a 7-9 team this year...I think they take a wild card.
Urlacher played .5 games last year...losing him was very understated.
Add in Julius Peppers, one of the best DE's in the league.
Add in a better OC(whether you like him or not).
Add in more development of the young offense.
Add in Cutler more comfortable(he has never thrown over 18 INT's outside of last year....so it should go down).
Then draft picks and last year's class(which pretty much red shirted).
So yeah I say they improve by a few wins and a take at least a wild card.
From who? You're the 3rd best team in your division and it's not even close. Infact you're closer to 4th than 2nd.
I wouldn't go quite that far- but then again the Lions have improved as well. The problem with tossing all your acquisitions and healed up players on the table and saying 'look how much better we are' is that everybody else in the league gets back injured players, picks up free agents, and drafts as well (some teams even had picks in the first two rounds). Its a question of how much better the Bears have gotten relative to their opponents. I think theyve improved more than most teams, but not decisively so.
And the Bears have a tough schedule, particularly the second half. It took 11 wins to get an NFC wild card last season. I just don't see 11 wins on that schedule even if everything goes right. They gonna beat the Cowboys, the Giants, and the Dolphins on the road? The Patriots, the Jets, the Redskins at home? They'll get a couple of those, but not most. And thats assuming they can pull splits with the Vikes and Packers. There are just a lot of things that have to go the Bears way to be a playoff team, and no margin for error. This doesn't look like a no margin for error kind of roster to me at this point.
And the Bears have a tough schedule, particularly the second half. It took 11 wins to get an NFC wild card last season. I just don't see 11 wins on that schedule even if everything goes right. They gonna beat the Cowboys, the Giants, and the Dolphins on the road? The Patriots, the Jets, the Redskins at home? They'll get a couple of those, but not most. And thats assuming they can pull splits with the Vikes and Packers. There are just a lot of things that have to go the Bears way to be a playoff team, and no margin for error. This doesn't look like a no margin for error kind of roster to me at this point.
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benson_will_lead_the_way
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AssumingFavre comes back and EJ Henderson comes back full strength???The Packers OL is fixed and they have two CB's starting over the age of 34....and the one played like the DOPY last year(that won't happen again)???Urlacher plays .5 games(the QB of the defense...that was a huge loss) and Pepper/Martz/Development doesn't happen???
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
IMO, everything went wrong for the Bears last year.Cutler has lots of turnovers - checkMatt Forte soph slump - checkOL gets worse - checkLose ur QB of the D - checkFind out Vasher is horrible - checkStill can't find a S - checkRon Turner predictable - checkI'm not saying they win the division....but they will win more games. I'm also excited for Chris Harris to be back and Major Wright....hopefully the Safteys can perform at least average now.
Donsmith753
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I agree with mbuehner that it's as much about the Bears division as anything else. I think the Bears have improved this offseason but have struggled because of the lack of a 1st and 2nd round pick. I like what Detroit has done and I think we all know #4 is coming back.I'd rank the division as probably the toughest in the NFL along with the NFC and AFC East. I have the teams stacking up like this:1a Packers1b Vikes (i don't think Favre is as good this year)3 Bears4 LionsI think it's likely the Bears go either 2-4 or 1-5 in division and they just won't make the playoffs like that.Just to go a bit further here's how I'd break down their schedule (very rough at this time of year):Bears at Chargers LOSSBears vs. Raiders WIN Bears vs. Cardinals WIN? (v.close)Bears at Browns WINBears vs. Lions WINBears at Cowboys LOSEBears vs. Packers LOSEBears at Giants LOSEBears at Panthers LOSEBears vs. Seahawks WIN Bears vs. Redskins WINBears at Bills (Toronto) WIN Bears vs. Vikings LOSEBears at Dolphins LOSEBears vs. Eagles LOSEBears at Lions LOSEBears vs. Patriots WINBears at Vikings LOSEBears vs. Jets LOSEBears at Packers LOSEActually I've just proved myself wrong! I've got them going 8-8! Woops!
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benson_will_lead_the_way
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Did I say Urlacher is full strength?I will take Urlacher at whatever he comes back at over a healthy Hillenmeyer....on top of that just making the Defensive calls.Peppers picks up a couple of steps? He has had over 10 sack 5 of the past 6 years...better than previous Chicago DE's.Henderson and Harris had knee injuries....Henderson's was pretty bad too. So apples to oranges.
So Urlacher comes back less the full strength and still turns the defense around? They weren't that great two years ago when he was healthy and that much younger. That calling the defensive plays business is hugely overblown, and Urlacher is many things, but not a bright bulb, so I don't see why he's considered a better reader of offenses than Hillenmeyer or Briggs. Peppers is another year older as well and we'll see if anybody else on that line gives him any help to be a big time difference maker. If not, I have doubts. If teams have nobody but Peppers to worry about, they can scheme to neutralize him and I don't think he's at the point in his career when you just can't stop him no matter what you throw at him.The upgrade at the safety position has potentially the greatest impact, but we're relying on a rookie drafted in the 3rd round to make it happen. That's not the kind of thing i'm comfortable assuming success.
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benson_will_lead_the_way
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Back on topic tho....outside of all of this discussion....adding TO will help the Bears win this season. He has great work ethic...and can block well too.
TommyGilmore
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Watching NFL Network last night and they had TO in the studio on their show for an interview. Was really impressed at how he handled himself and the laid back attitude and demeanor he was showing. Actually looked like maybe he has matured over the lat year or so and he sure did not seem to be a distraction to the Bills last year.
Any way on the show they were bringing up the what if possibilty of how a T.O.- Mc Nabb reunion would go. Seems as if listening to TO that McNabb and himself are long over their past conflicts and have even talked amongst themselves of that very scenario.
I for one still believe that T.O. in the right situation can have a big impact in a teams success and possible playoff run. With the direction that the Redskins have gone as far as Mc Nabb, LJ, FWP and even talks about signing Westbrook it seems pretty apparant that building for the future is not their goal but rather lets try to win now.
This would seem like a perfect match in the sense of it probably would take no time for T.O and McNabb to get back on the same page as far as reciever/qb duo and T.O would definately bring a new diminsional threat to the Redskins offense.
This combo could also have the potential to be big as far as a fantasy effect as well increasing boths qb/wr fantasy value. They were quite a tandem in Philly before they had their falling out, think they could recapture that old mojo together? Think the Redskins might give the duo a shot in the name of having a winning season? Could be interesting!
I would not hesitate to draft T.O in a couple of redraft leagues if he landed in Washington. Also the two games against PHILLY WOULD BE SUPER HUGE AND EVEN PLAYING AGAINST DALLAS WOULD BE INTERESTING!
Any way on the show they were bringing up the what if possibilty of how a T.O.- Mc Nabb reunion would go. Seems as if listening to TO that McNabb and himself are long over their past conflicts and have even talked amongst themselves of that very scenario.
I for one still believe that T.O. in the right situation can have a big impact in a teams success and possible playoff run. With the direction that the Redskins have gone as far as Mc Nabb, LJ, FWP and even talks about signing Westbrook it seems pretty apparant that building for the future is not their goal but rather lets try to win now.
This would seem like a perfect match in the sense of it probably would take no time for T.O and McNabb to get back on the same page as far as reciever/qb duo and T.O would definately bring a new diminsional threat to the Redskins offense.
This combo could also have the potential to be big as far as a fantasy effect as well increasing boths qb/wr fantasy value. They were quite a tandem in Philly before they had their falling out, think they could recapture that old mojo together? Think the Redskins might give the duo a shot in the name of having a winning season? Could be interesting!
I would not hesitate to draft T.O in a couple of redraft leagues if he landed in Washington. Also the two games against PHILLY WOULD BE SUPER HUGE AND EVEN PLAYING AGAINST DALLAS WOULD BE INTERESTING!
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Balco
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Most of the criticism Terrel Owens receives is fair, regarding his effects on dividing teams, and acting like a baby. However, no one can question how hard this guy works out. He can still be a solid NFL receiver on a playoff team. The question is, do you want to take the risk he will have a negative impact on the team in the locker room? With a good qb throwing him the ball, TO can still be a solid fantasy player as well. As a Packers fan, I sure hope the Bears do not sign him.
Sebowski
Footballguy
No thanks. TO was not a good WR last year. Struggled to get separation and had his share of drops.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
I called this months ago.
I am not a Redskins fan even though they would be considered my home team by where I live. Last year with the Bills even being in a horrid offense with a lower caliber Quarterback and T.O actually being # 2 receiver rather than #1 he put up numbers better than a majority of receivers in the league!I realize that with his age he may not be the receiver he was 3 or 4 years ago but who do the Redskins have as a WR that consistantly puts up the numbers and has that big play potential of a T.O? It would appear that by the age of the players the Skins are recruiting to their roster that they are making an attempt for a division title or playoff run this year not for rebuilding for several years down the road. What receivers do the Skins have that the probabilty of an instant chemistry with Mc Nabb would be more likely than with T.O? I think that for what appears to be a this year run for a winning record that T.O. with his skillset and past history of chemistry with Mc Nabb would be a positive step in helping to obtaining that goal particuliarly if his behavior last year in Buffalo shows him maturing and mellowing out attitude wise.Not only that but with Owens on the field it will help the other receivers as defenses still have to respect that big play ability that T.O brings to the table.Also as much as Washington and Philly and are rivals as a Redskins fan wouldn't going into Philly and kickin butt be even sweeter doing it with Philly's castoffs?I am a Steelers fan and with Holmes gone to the Jets I would not mind seeing T.O in the black and gold for a year or so.No doubt he is the best receiver as far as skills and big play potential available as a free agent.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What did you call?
Not Sure
Footballguy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5254837
Unsigned T.O. blames image as 'cancer'
As a free agent receiver, Terrell Owens is wide open.
And as a 14-year NFL veteran, he doesn't think he resembles anything close to a Hail Mary.
In an interview with the NFL Network, Owens said the perception of him as a possible problem in the locker room has played a role in his failure to land with a team this offseason.
“If character was such an issue, I don't think Cincinnati would have brought me in.”
-- Terrell Owens, regarding his visit with the Bengals
"I've heard a lot of the reasons why I'm not on a team right now," Owens told the NFL Network on Friday. "It's because people feel I've disrupted some teams, I'm a cancer -- I've heard all those things. They've said that for the last five, six years. The teams I've been on, if you ask in that locker room how I've been as a teammate and as a person, it's contradictory to what's been displayed out there."
Owens said a trip he made to the Cincinnati Bengals in March helped illustrate his value as a receiver.
"If character was such an issue, I don't think Cincinnati would have brought me in," he said.
Though Donovan McNabb has played down the notion, Owens reiterated he and the quarterback have discussed a reunion.
"He already knew his situation prior to being traded, so we talked about the idea of actually playing together," Owens said of McNabb, the former Eagles quarterback who was acquired by the Washington Redskins in April. "That was something I welcome with open arms, and he as well. If that was a situation to come about and that would happen, we know what we could do on the football field together."
The Ravens have also been reported as a possible suitor for Owens. But like the Bengals, Baltimore committed to another receiver. The Ravens traded for Anquan Boldin and signed Donte' Stallworth; the Bengals signed Antonio Bryant.
"There are some teams out there that have created some interest," Owens said. "And a few of those teams asked to be anonymous -- I know Seattle has come out and said they were interested -- so other than that, we're just waiting for the right opportunity."
Owens still views himself as a premier player, but some teams have a different feeling.
"You know, last year, we jumped on board with Buffalo, and that was a team that was interested in myself, and I just felt like I always wanted to be where I was wanted, and Buffalo jumped at the gun at that, so I spent my year in Buffalo."
At some point this summer, some team is going to lose a receiver to injury. When it does, Owens could be a prime candidate to come in as a replacement.
"I know there's a process where teams have drafted players, they're looking at free agents," Owens said. "They have to go through minicamps, the OTAs and eventually into training camp, and there are some things that may transpire. There are 32 teams out there, so you never know what could happen. So I'm looking forward to the opportunity of wherever I may play."
Unsigned T.O. blames image as 'cancer'
As a free agent receiver, Terrell Owens is wide open.
And as a 14-year NFL veteran, he doesn't think he resembles anything close to a Hail Mary.
In an interview with the NFL Network, Owens said the perception of him as a possible problem in the locker room has played a role in his failure to land with a team this offseason.
“If character was such an issue, I don't think Cincinnati would have brought me in.”
-- Terrell Owens, regarding his visit with the Bengals
"I've heard a lot of the reasons why I'm not on a team right now," Owens told the NFL Network on Friday. "It's because people feel I've disrupted some teams, I'm a cancer -- I've heard all those things. They've said that for the last five, six years. The teams I've been on, if you ask in that locker room how I've been as a teammate and as a person, it's contradictory to what's been displayed out there."
Owens said a trip he made to the Cincinnati Bengals in March helped illustrate his value as a receiver.
"If character was such an issue, I don't think Cincinnati would have brought me in," he said.
Though Donovan McNabb has played down the notion, Owens reiterated he and the quarterback have discussed a reunion.
"He already knew his situation prior to being traded, so we talked about the idea of actually playing together," Owens said of McNabb, the former Eagles quarterback who was acquired by the Washington Redskins in April. "That was something I welcome with open arms, and he as well. If that was a situation to come about and that would happen, we know what we could do on the football field together."
The Ravens have also been reported as a possible suitor for Owens. But like the Bengals, Baltimore committed to another receiver. The Ravens traded for Anquan Boldin and signed Donte' Stallworth; the Bengals signed Antonio Bryant.
"There are some teams out there that have created some interest," Owens said. "And a few of those teams asked to be anonymous -- I know Seattle has come out and said they were interested -- so other than that, we're just waiting for the right opportunity."
Owens still views himself as a premier player, but some teams have a different feeling.
"You know, last year, we jumped on board with Buffalo, and that was a team that was interested in myself, and I just felt like I always wanted to be where I was wanted, and Buffalo jumped at the gun at that, so I spent my year in Buffalo."
At some point this summer, some team is going to lose a receiver to injury. When it does, Owens could be a prime candidate to come in as a replacement.
"I know there's a process where teams have drafted players, they're looking at free agents," Owens said. "They have to go through minicamps, the OTAs and eventually into training camp, and there are some things that may transpire. There are 32 teams out there, so you never know what could happen. So I'm looking forward to the opportunity of wherever I may play."
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
“If character was such an issue, I don't think Cincinnati would have brought me in.”
-- Terrell Owens, regarding his visit with the Bengals
Uh, Terrell, if character wasn't an issue, you would have been signed by someone months ago. In fact, if character wasn't an issue, four different teams wouldn't have wanted to get rid of you in the last decade, despite your being productive on the field.
The fact that he signed in the NFL version of bum#### Egypt (sorry, Bills fans) last year and now cannot find a team that will sign him says it all.
-- Terrell Owens, regarding his visit with the Bengals
Uh, Terrell, if character wasn't an issue, you would have been signed by someone months ago. In fact, if character wasn't an issue, four different teams wouldn't have wanted to get rid of you in the last decade, despite your being productive on the field.
The fact that he signed in the NFL version of bum#### Egypt (sorry, Bills fans) last year and now cannot find a team that will sign him says it all.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I like TO and his talent but you cannot deny that GMs are shying away form him. He could start on probably half the team in the NFL but GM/Coaches are afraid of what he might do in a locker room.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Imagine him with Brandon Marshall for Miami. The Dolphins are gonna need him because the defense is gonna get abused this year. Our front 7 is in shambles along the DL and OLB.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Why would that be great? TO isn't an explosive downfield receiver anymore. He is more of a possesion guy, who is probably only worth slightly more than Bess this year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hold on, I gotta sit down....are you saying that TO's skill set is on pace or worse than Bess this year?
baconisgood
Footballguy
I would say slightly better.
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
This move would make a lot of sense. Panthers would be a much better team with Owens as their #2 guy. Smith probably would like the idea. Moore gets another capable target. Helps the running game as well. Panthers are gonna need something if they wanna catch New Orleans for the division title.
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