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Terror Attack in Quebec (1 Viewer)

Patiently waiting for President Trump to denounce "Radical Anti-Islamic Terrorism"...or is he afraid to say those words?

 
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Joe Summer said:
When CNN makes an error (like the MLK bust story), it's a deliberate bias.

When Fox makes an error, it's an honest mistake. Nothing to see here, move along.
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For some, yes they ignore bias from their preferred side. Nobody should be ok with this.

 
Fox News has dropped this way down their front page at this moment, below the death of a writer investigating JFK's murder.

 
timschochet said:
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I fear this incident will be perceived within the Muslim world as in conjunction with Trump's ban. The message that radical Islamists will spread is, "You see how the west hates us? Look at Trump! Look what happened in Canada!" And they will convince many youth to join their cause.
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Bump. 
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Make Hatred Mainstream Again

 
killface said:
Now that it's confirmed that it's the white guy this thread will disappear

If it was a muslim guy it would be 100 pages of 'we need to kill there families', 'just nuke them all', 'we should deport all of them', 'muslims can't live in north america'
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:no:   Well, not sure about the life of this thread but the name Bissonnette is about to become very, very famous.  He'll be brought up during the next 15, 20, 25 or more terror attacks (most or all of which will probably be committed by Muslims) as the counterbalance:  "See, they do it and we do it, too." 

 
My Hope Street Alias said:
:no:   Well, not sure about the life of this thread but the name Bissonnette is about to become very, very famous.  He'll be brought up during the next 15, 20, 25 or more terror attacks (most or all of which will probably be committed by Muslims) as the counterbalance:  "See, they do it and we do it, too." 
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Canada's Dylan Roof/Adam Lanza/James Holmes/Chris Haper-Mercer/Eric Harris/Dylan Klebold/etc, etc, etc, etc.....

 
urbanhack said:
The source really isn't the problem.  It's the person deciding which accounts and what people to follow.  If you decide to follow a ####ty source, you're going to get ####ty information.
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It's meant to be a reactionary source of information, which leads to often being inaccurate or misleading.

 
jonessed said:
It's meant to be a reactionary source of information, which leads to often being inaccurate or misleading.
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so true. 

I use my google news feed for news most of the time- has a wide range of media outlets telling the same stories. 

funny/sad/telling to see just how different each spins the headline and intro.

but yeah- hopefully we'll get to a point where people will look at those without first having their knee-jerk reaction, supported by the spin of the individual outlet. hopefully people will learn to either wait for all the facts to come out or realize that there actually are still facts missing (one person who may have heard something isn't a fact) before jumping to the conclusion they want to jump to.

 
so... any more news on this one?

lone gunman... right? motive discussed yet? anybody help him do this? 

still people in critical condition, correct?

whole thing sucks :(

 
fatness said:
It's easier to say "I was wrong".
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I said sorry.  The police released the names and they were widely reported by major media source.  The people who were really wrong were the police for releasing both names as suspects.  That was unfair to the witness. 

 
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The lone suspect in the shooting at the Quebec City mosque Sunday night is believed to be Alexandre Bissonnette, a 27-year-old student at Université Laval who was studying anthropology before switching to political science.
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But according to real-estate records, Bissonnette’s parents own a home on Tracel St. in the Cap-Rouge district of Quebec City where police conducted a search on Monday.

Bissonnette’s father is listed in the sales deed as an investigator. According to Bissonnette’s Facebook page — which has since been taken offline — his grandfather was a decorated war hero. 

As for the suspected shooter himself, his Facebook page does not reveal a great deal about his possible motivations. His musical tastes appear to range from Katy Perry to Megadeth.
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The young man, who dressed up as the Grim Reaper for Halloween, also “liked” Donald Trump, French Front National leader Marine Le Pen and Mathieu Bock-Cóté, a Quebec City columnist known for his pro-nationalist and anti-multicultural views.

A refugee welcome group in the capital city, however, said Bissonnette’s name and photograph were already familiar to them. In a post on Facebook, Bienvenu aux réfugiés said they learned “with sadness and anger about the identity of the terrorist Alexandre Bissonnette, unfortunately known by several militants in Quebec City for his viewpoints that were pro-LePen and anti-feminist, as expressed in social media and at Université Laval.”
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Montreal Gazette

 
jon_mx said:
The police released the names and they were widely reported by major media source.  The people who were really wrong were the police for releasing both names as suspects.  That was unfair to the witness. 
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Agreed, thanks.

And the whole "mosque turf war" thing that was going around twitter last night was a load of crap also, apparently. The guy makes an appearance in court tomorrow, so perhaps we'll learn more then.

 
The Montreal Gazette article has been updated, a lot. He went to court this afternoon, not tomorrow. And for some odd reason he's not being charged with anything related to terrorism.

Alexandre Bissonnette was charged late Monday with six counts of first-degree murder and five counts of attempted murder using a restricted firearm for a shooting spree in a Quebec City Mosque that has shaken the community, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Though police and politicians have spoken of terrorism since the 27-year-old university student allegedly opened fire just after the last prayers on Sunday, he was not charged with any terrorism-related offences.
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A fellow university student however, who also knew Bissonnette from high school in Cap Rouge, said he had developed radical views. “He was not necessarily overtly racist or Islamophobic, but he had borderline misogynist, Islamophobic viewpoints,” said Vincent Boissonneault, who studies International Studies at Université Laval. “Unfortunately that’s become more or less acceptable these days.”

Bissonnette did not show signs of mental illness or paranoia, Boissonneault said, adding he didn’t think he was part of an organized extremist group, either.

An organization devoted to helping refugees in the capital city said Bissonnette’s name and photograph, as they appeared in the media, were already familiar to them. On a Facebook post they said they learned “with sadness and anger about the identity of the terrorist Alexandre Bissonnette, unfortunately known by several activists in Quebec City for his viewpoints that were pro-LePen and anti-feminist, as expressed in social media and at Université Laval.” 
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OK, he doesn't qualify for terrorism charges because "lone wolf."  Right.

A source later told Reuters police were looking at Bissonnette as a 'lone wolf'.  The political sciences and anthropology student, who is from the affluent Quebec City suburb Cap-Rouge, will appear in court sometime on Monday or Tuesday.

Other students described him to DailyMail.com as a pro-Trump loner but a timid man who didn't seem capable of committing an act of terror. 
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A classmate told DailyMail.com that Bissonnette was pro-Donald Trump and that they had engaged in political arguments about the president.

'Based on the conversations that I had with him during the American presidential campaign, it's true he is pro-Trump,' the student, who asked to remain anonymous, said. 

He added that he Bissonnette had 'never demonstrated' a violent side but that he didn't 'fit in' among peers. 

Fellow students said Bissonnette didn't 'fit in well' at the university where he is studying political sciences and anthropology 
'Yes, he was conservative in the political sense but despite the profound differences between us, he never showed or suggested that political violence or terrorism was something he was capable of.
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Yeah, well, nobody's a mass killer til they kill a bunch of people.

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Suspect in Quebec Mosque Attack Quickly Depicted as a Moroccan Muslim. He’s a White Nationalist.

The Globe and Mail addedthat he “was known in the city’s activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.” And Bisonnette’s Facebook page – now taken down but still archived – lists among its “likes” the far right French nationalist Marine Le Pen, Islam critics Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the Israeli Defense Forces, and Donald J. Trump (he also “likes” the liberal Canadian Party NDP along with more neutral “likes” such as Tom Hanks, the Sopranos and Katy Perry).
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annnnndddd....off the front page.  Just another white guy that didn't get enough love as a child that has been slightly misguided....

 
killface said:
annnnndddd....off the front page.  Just another white guy that didn't get enough love as a child that has been slightly misguided....
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There are news reports now that people used to steal his lunch and call him ugly when he was younger.

Seriously.

Poor kid, no wonder he shot up a church.

 
killface said:
annnnndddd....off the front page.  Just another white guy that didn't get enough love as a child that has been slightly misguided....
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to be fair... how much news is there to report on this at this point? he's caught, he did it... at this point it's just stuff like fatness' story getting into who this dip#### is and why he did it. for me, not front page news relative to everything else going on.

 
El Floppo said:
how much news is there to report on this at this point?
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To me one story is why he's not facing terrorism-related charges. Another story is why people are not howling about that, as they would be if he was a muslim. This thread would still be a hot one if that was the case.

But as you said, not much is being reported now except dribs and drabs of his background.

 
fatness said:
To me one story is why he's not facing terrorism-related charges. Another story is why people are not howling about that, as they would be if he was a muslim. This thread would still be a hot one if that was the case.

But as you said, not much is being reported now except dribs and drabs of his background.
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so what's the story with terrorism vs murder charges... strictly a definition thing, I assume? because he's a lone wolf, he can't be charged with terrorism? the florida nightclub guy- was he charged with terrorism or mass-murder? 

and at this point, if he's acting by himself- does it matter what he's charged with? 

 
Montreal police have seen a spike in reported hate incidents since a shooting left six dead at a mosque in Quebec City.

Chief Philippe Pichet says Montreal's dedicated hate crime unit has received 14 calls since Sunday night, when a lone gunman opened fire during evening prayers at a mosque in Quebec City.

"That's a lot," Pichet told CTV News. He said the department received 55 hate-related calls from May to December of last year.
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/hate-incidents-up-since-mosque-shooting-montreal-police-1.3264405

 
El Floppo said:
so what's the story with terrorism vs murder charges... strictly a definition thing, I assume? because he's a lone wolf, he can't be charged with terrorism? the florida nightclub guy- was he charged with terrorism or mass-murder? 

and at this point, if he's acting by himself- does it matter what he's charged with? 
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Neither, Omar Mateen was killed by the police after a three hour standoff.

 
jon_mx said:
I said sorry.  The police released the names and they were widely reported by major media source.  The people who were really wrong were the police for releasing both names as suspects.  That was unfair to the witness. 
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Or you could have followed my advice and waited. I think it has been proven time and again that the first reports are almost always wrong in some major way. So wait and see. Don't jump just because your agenda or beliefs seem to be reinforced by the rush to be first.

 
NCCommish said:
Or you could have followed my advice and waited. I think it has been proven time and again that the first reports are almost always wrong in some major way. So wait and see. Don't jump just because your agenda or beliefs seem to be reinforced by the rush to be first.
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Except I did not jump in and make any conclusions.  I was mocking the reporting for identifying one of the suspects as having a Quebec sounding name.  I did not make any statements predicting who did it or what their motives might have been. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
That may be true, but I was referring specifically to comparing different charges when the crimes didn't occur in the same country. 
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If convicted, he's getting life in maximum security either way, so I'm not sure the terror charges would make much of a difference up here. Is there a stiffer/harsher penalty for terrorists vs. regular murderers in the States? Guantanamo is just military, right?

 
Northern Voice said:
If convicted, he's getting life in maximum security either way, so I'm not sure the terror charges would make much of a difference up here. Is there a stiffer/harsher penalty for terrorists vs. regular murderers in the States? Guantanamo is just military, right?
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Ihink theres supermax for the superbads. 23hiurs day in solitary, iirc.

 
"Student accused of shooting dead six people at a Quebec mosque 'rented an apartment close to the Islamic center more than six months ago"

He has probably been planning an attack for some time, but only the idiots think Trump had anything to do with this.

 
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