Texans wave the white flag in the early 4th Qtr. (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan32904]

Blindsided by this critical Monday Night game, as I'm sure many others who started Houston players. Houston didn't need this game, and the writing was on the wall that the Patriots would win big. Still I never believed that Houston would just decide to throw in the towel so early. Figured that Houston had to have some pride of competition on national TV. Figured they'd at least try. Man this sucks.

The point of the this thread isn't to vent. It's to figure out how I missed the risk. Did anybody worry that Houston throwing in the towel early was even a possibility? Cause I was without the first clue.

Sorry if it still sounds like a vent. I just want to learn from this.

 

[steveski]

Any playoff contending team should do the same thing when blowing out or being blown out by that much. If they have no chance of winning, why risk an injury? If Foster stayed in and he got hurt, you'd be complaining about why he got hurt when he shouldn't have been in there.

 

[donkshow]

Who screwed you over? Both Foster and AJ had respectable days.

Foster had 14.5 in standard leagues, 16.5 in PPR

AJ had 9.5 in standard leagues, 13.5 in PPR

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Who screwed you over? Both Foster and AJ had respectable days.

One giant mess of players screwed me over. Started Matt Schaub and watching him on the sidelines made my stomach hurt. Also started Daniels and Gostkowski. Trailing by 3 pts early in the 4th qtr. Never got closer than that. Season over. Also, to make matters worse had Lloyd on the bench and flexed in Daniels for Lloyd before kickoff.

 

[Bayhawks]

Blindsided by this critical Monday Night game, as I'm sure many others who started Houston players. Houston didn't need this game, and the writing was on the wall that the Patriots would win big. Still I never believed that Houston would just decide to throw in the towel so early. Figured that Houston had to have some pride of competition on national TV. Figured they'd at least try. Man this sucks. The point of the this thread isn't to vent. It's to figure out how I missed the risk. Did anybody worry that Houston throwing in the towel early was even a possibility? Cause I was without the first clue. Sorry if it still sounds like a vent. I just want to learn from this.

There's nothing to learn, except that Kubiak will pull his starter when the game is out of reach (many might say too early, but that's another issue).1) Houston absolutely DID need the game. They haven't locked up anything beyond a playoff spot: their division is still up for grabs, a 1st round bye hasn't been secured, the #1 seed hasn't been secured.2) No one could have predicted that this game would have been as lopsided as it was. I believe that it was essentially a "pick-em" game, where if you polled 100 people, you'd likely get close to 50 saying the Texans would have won. Since few people expected a blow-out like this, there was no reason to hesitate starting Houston FF players.

 

[steveski]

There's nothing to learn, except that Kubiak will pull his starter when the game is out of reach (many might say too early, but that's another issue).1) Houston absolutely DID need the game. They haven't locked up anything beyond a playoff spot: their division is still up for grabs, a 1st round bye hasn't been secured, the #1 seed hasn't been secured.2) No one could have predicted that this game would have been as lopsided as it was. I believe that it was essentially a "pick-em" game, where if you polled 100 people, you'd likely get close to 50 saying the Texans would have won. Since few people expected a blow-out like this, there was no reason to hesitate starting Houston FF players.

Patriots were 6 point favorites according to Vegas.

 

[Zasada]

What you should learn with this is that starting around Week 14, the chances (while small) of a team sitting starters for part of a game increases. There's no way you bench your studs for a game of this magnitude. Chalk it up to variability and move on.

Even a few weeks ago, R.Rice got pulled in a blowout. It happens.

 

[irish eyes]

Houston=OVERRATED

All you need to beat them is a somewhat competant passing game, that is it. Jacksonville even threw on their sorry a@@es. Green Bay shredded them, New England shredded them. Their running game certainly doesn't scare anyone anymore and they will be one and done. They should be embarrassed.

 

[Shutout]

This game just went completely sideways. The chances of anyone confidently saying that they saw this coming is small. The vast majority of people, I'm sure, expected a good game throughout, or at the very least, would have figured the starters from one team or the other driving down the field with the last possession of the game. It was just a mess.

The Texans absolutely did the right thing. They need to win against the colts to at least get their division. That is more important than trying to get the final score to be 42-20 or something.

 

[Warpig]

Houston=OVERRATED All you need to beat them is a somewhat competant passing game, that is it. Jacksonville even threw on their sorry a@@es. Green Bay shredded them, New England shredded them. Their running game certainly doesn't scare anyone anymore and they will be one and done. They should be embarrassed.

I somewhat agree with this. I think they should be embarrassed after this debacle on MNF. Houston went out and got lettermans jackets for everyone and talked about this was their biggest game ever...and they proceed to look like a turd...shiny new jackets and all.I actually picked Houston to win the game since I didn't think NE would have an answer for JJ and Houston has a decent secondary and Houston has a running and passing game to contend with. I learned never to doubt Tom Brady in the month of December again. Brady shreaded that defense and Houston was embarrassing to watch. Constantly out of position, NE had players that went uncovered! How many passes did Schaub have batted at the line of scrimmage?I'm not sure Houston will be one and done since there are lots of weak AFC teams. But if they meet up with NE or DEN at some point, they might as well turn the bus around and go home.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Also, to make matters worse had Lloyd on the bench and flexed in Daniels for Lloyd before kickoff.

Nothing to learn there. Surprise Lloyd was still even rostered, no way anyone started him with better options available.Sometimes at home the Pats boat race the other team. They dominate December.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This game just went completely sideways. The chances of anyone confidently saying that they saw this coming is small. The vast majority of people, I'm sure, expected a good game throughout, or at the very least, would have figured the starters from one team or the other driving down the field with the last possession of the game. It was just a mess.The Texans absolutely did the right thing. They need to win against the colts to at least get their division. That is more important than trying to get the final score to be 42-20 or something.

This is all very reasonable and prudent, Texans resting starters keeping guys healthy for the playoffs. But I still can't remember a game where a potential top seed one loss team got punched in the mouth and never got up. Not bitter grapes, but I agree with others that Houston is a pretender, and they remind me of another team just happy to get to the postseason, Atlanta. Paper tigers. No pride. They seemed to give up early in the 3rd now that I think about it. The great Tom Brady clowning them on Nat'l TV, and no response. Just handoff to Tate into a pile of bodies. Houston will win be two and done in the playoffs.

 

[Shutout]

Ok, I'll play devi's advocate against what the national media seems to be: I think the Houston texans ARE one of the best teams in the NFL, still.

They have played well this season but they also have the bad fortune of playing their worst games on the national stage. It happens sometimes. A few years ago, the Jets went to new England and got drubbed in primetime but then came back and beat them in the playoffs the same year. Its just a matter of "big picture" to NFL teams and a lot of media and us miss that because we want to put everything under a microscope these days. I really think the Texans know, now that they have had a taste of the playoffs, what is still in front of them and possible. And they know they need to be careful with certain players and have them ready for the playoffs. So it may look like they are worse than they are or tossing the flag in, but I think they are playing for the home playoff games and keeping an eye on the bigger prize.

And come playoff time, when Baltimore, Indy, New england, Denver, or whoever has to come down to Houston to play a playoff game, I don't think people will be dismissing the Texans or calling them overrated.

I think these last three weeks of the season is going to be like "turn back the clock" for the Texans. We are going to see foster and Tate used more like they have been and its going to be productive and we're going to see the Texans clicking in the passing game and playing good defense. I think they are still a really good team for this year with legitimate Super Bowl aspirations. Jonathan Joseph getting healthy is huge for them. Last night, with them playing so much man-to-man really made me think they were experimenting some. I think if this were a playoff game, they would never have played man, and certainly not LB man on Hernandez so much. I think they were thinking they might see this team again.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

So what. Same #### happened in Seattle. 58-0 and golden Tate has 8 yds? Russell Wilson gets 150 yds. #### happens...

 

[packersfan]

Who screwed you over? Both Foster and AJ had respectable days.Foster had 14.5 in standard leagues, 16.5 in PPRAJ had 9.5 in standard leagues, 13.5 in PPR

Schaub and Daniels both came up small but I think Kubiak did the smart thing here. Game was over and he has a team that has Super Bowl aspirations (whether they're realistic or not is another matter). Be stupid to keep his top players in a lost game and have someone suffer a serious injury.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

So what. Same #### happened in Seattle. 58-0 and golden Tate has 8 yds? Russell Wilson gets 150 yds. #### happens...

No rhyme or reason then? #### happens is the best way to unpack this? I'm still in the playoffs in two other leagues and I was hoping to get some insight to avoid these type of landmines going forward. But thanks for your candor.

 

[Please See Mine]

The point of the this thread isn't to vent.

Good one.

 

[DiStefano]

The football bounces funny ways. Even the best teams get blown out occasionally. The Pats scored on their first three possessions, then went three and out on their next three. Schaub was off target a number of times, missing wide open receivers for big gains. The Pats were set up to stop the run, and Houston's play calling didn't adjust.

It bounces funny.

 

[Kiddnets]

Loading up on Texans next week....think they take it out on the Colt D

 

[stbugs]

Who screwed you over? Both Foster and AJ had respectable days.Foster had 14.5 in standard leagues, 16.5 in PPRAJ had 9.5 in standard leagues, 13.5 in PPR

Schaub and Daniels both came up small but I think Kubiak did the smart thing here. Game was over and he has a team that has Super Bowl aspirations (whether they're realistic or not is another matter). Be stupid to keep his top players in a lost game and have someone suffer a serious injury.

They were down 28 at the point they started running the ball (9-10 or so minutes left). Win the next three and this game doesn't matter. Lose one and it only matters if NE goes 3-0 and only if NE wins in the playoffs and HOU has to go to NE. Risking a Gronk for them wasn't worth it, especially since they are not built to come back from 28 points in the 4th. There was more of a chance of Schaub getting crushed on a hit than them coming back.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

good

eff garbage time

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

So what. Same #### happened in Seattle. 58-0 and golden Tate has 8 yds? Russell Wilson gets 150 yds. #### happens...

No rhyme or reason then? #### happens is the best way to unpack this? I'm still in the playoffs in two other leagues and I was hoping to get some insight to avoid these type of landmines going forward. But thanks for your candor.

The only insight you can gain from this was this was a blowout. It happens in football. Nothing to gain from this other than understanding it is a part of football and fantasy football.

 

[Slapdash]

Ok, I'll play devi's advocate against what the national media seems to be: I think the Houston texans ARE one of the best teams in the NFL, still.

Is this the same national media that was all over Houston's jock for having the best D in the NFL after shutting down Jason ####### Cambell? Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone pays attention to those guys.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Who screwed you over? Both Foster and AJ had respectable days.

One giant mess of players screwed me over. Started Matt Schaub and watching him on the sidelines made my stomach hurt. Also started Daniels and Gostkowski. Trailing by 3 pts early in the 4th qtr. Never got closer than that. Season over. Also, to make matters worse had Lloyd on the bench and flexed in Daniels for Lloyd before kickoff.

I had brady, lloyd, ridley, and aj -- made up, like, 90 pts to win by a point.

 

[Shutout]

Ok, I'll play devi's advocate against what the national media seems to be: I think the Houston texans ARE one of the best teams in the NFL, still.

Is this the same national media that was all over Houston's jock for having the best D in the NFL after shutting down Jason ####### Cambell? Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone pays attention to those guys.

Yeah, SALTS (Smiled A Little, Then Stopped....seems a little more fitting than actually laughing out loud). The media is extreme on either side but all the way in this morning, on the early radio, they just seemed drooling to pounce all over this. It will, of course, be talked ad naseum and I'm not sure it means anything. Remember, years ago, you'd see a game like the 12-2 Niners walk into a buzzsaw against the 4-10 Rams on some random Sunday? The Niners would give up a huge bomb early to Flipper Anderson, have a turnover, all kinds of weirdness would break out and at the end of the day, people would watch the ticker at the bottom of the screen tick up a 34-24 final? The countdown show would talk it up as a MAJOR upset that nobody saw coming (and they were right), but then that was it. There was no 25 shows, 4 days of analyzing "what does this mean??? No! REALLY! What does it MEAN!?! For the love of the children, get me a gaggle of former players and fired coaches on this set and explain to me, in their wisdom, what this tells us!". It was simply "on any given Sunday". That's how it is. That game got sideways. The Texans circled the wagons and live to fight another game. It means nothing if the Texans go on to win HFA until they meet again, if they do.

 

[ArbyMelt]

Loading up on Texans next week....think they take it out on the Colt D

Loading up off waiver wire? If you have Andre or Foster, they are must starts every week. Daniels too, so how are you loading up? Or do you load up every week?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

yeah, there's 3 texans startable in fantasy -- unless you're in a 2 qb league, or idp -- 2 of which had decent games, and are every week starts.

looool at the rams/niners comparison.

 

[donkshow]

Should be interesting to see how they rebound next week.

 

[Kiddnets]

Loading up on Texans next week....think they take it out on the Colt D

Loading up off waiver wire? If you have Andre or Foster, they are must starts every week. Daniels too, so how are you loading up? Or do you load up every week?

Just got Foster off the wire in my 2 team league....lol - poor choice of words - just meant to say I think Tx players will be great next week

 

[devouredbychaos]

Ok, I'll play devi's advocate against what the national media seems to be: I think the Houston texans ARE one of the best teams in the NFL, still. They have played well this season but they also have the bad fortune of playing their worst games on the national stage. It happens sometimes. A few years ago, the Jets went to new England and got drubbed in primetime but then came back and beat them in the playoffs the same year. Its just a matter of "big picture" to NFL teams and a lot of media and us miss that because we want to put everything under a microscope these days. I really think the Texans know, now that they have had a taste of the playoffs, what is still in front of them and possible. And they know they need to be careful with certain players and have them ready for the playoffs. So it may look like they are worse than they are or tossing the flag in, but I think they are playing for the home playoff games and keeping an eye on the bigger prize.And come playoff time, when Baltimore, Indy, New england, Denver, or whoever has to come down to Houston to play a playoff game, I don't think people will be dismissing the Texans or calling them overrated. I think these last three weeks of the season is going to be like "turn back the clock" for the Texans. We are going to see foster and Tate used more like they have been and its going to be productive and we're going to see the Texans clicking in the passing game and playing good defense. I think they are still a really good team for this year with legitimate Super Bowl aspirations. Jonathan Joseph getting healthy is huge for them. Last night, with them playing so much man-to-man really made me think they were experimenting some. I think if this were a playoff game, they would never have played man, and certainly not LB man on Hernandez so much. I think they were thinking they might see this team again.

Texans homer?? Even if they do see this team again, they will not beat them with Schaub as their QB.

 

[mozzy84]

So what. Same #### happened in Seattle. 58-0 and golden Tate has 8 yds? Russell Wilson gets 150 yds. #### happens...

No rhyme or reason then? #### happens is the best way to unpack this? I'm still in the playoffs in two other leagues and I was hoping to get some insight to avoid these type of landmines going forward. But thanks for your candor.

Really? What could you possibly learn from this? You just sound mad you didn't get the garbage points you needed...

 

[Bayhawks]

There's nothing to learn, except that Kubiak will pull his starter when the game is out of reach (many might say too early, but that's another issue).1) Houston absolutely DID need the game. They haven't locked up anything beyond a playoff spot: their division is still up for grabs, a 1st round bye hasn't been secured, the #1 seed hasn't been secured.2) No one could have predicted that this game would have been as lopsided as it was. I believe that it was essentially a "pick-em" game, where if you polled 100 people, you'd likely get close to 50 saying the Texans would have won. Since few people expected a blow-out like this, there was no reason to hesitate starting Houston FF players.

Patriots were 6 point favorites according to Vegas.

As the home team, that generally means a 3 point "fudge." Therefore, they were a 3 point favorite. Final score was 42-14. That's a little more than 3 points.

 

[NYRAGE]

Any playoff contending team should do the same thing when blowing out or being blown out by that much. If they have no chance of winning, why risk an injury? If Foster stayed in and he got hurt, you'd be complaining about why he got hurt when he shouldn't have been in there.

Someone tell BB. He had Welker returning kicks with a minute left in the game. I guess he forgot about Gronkowksi.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Any playoff contending team should do the same thing when blowing out or being blown out by that much. If they have no chance of winning, why risk an injury? If Foster stayed in and he got hurt, you'd be complaining about why he got hurt when he shouldn't have been in there.

Someone tell BB. He had Welker returning kicks with a minute left in the game. I guess he forgot about Gronkowksi.

yeah, wtf does he know

 

[Doug B]

No rhyme or reason then? #### happens is the best way to unpack this?

Correct

I'm still in the playoffs in two other leagues and I was hoping to get some insight to avoid these type of landmines going forward.

No insight possible, and these landmines can't be avoided. You play probabilities only, not certainties. No amount of research or analysis can get around that.

 

[lod01]

Loading up on Texans next week....think they take it out on the Colt D

If this was Belicheck/Brady geting the beatdown, yeah start every Pat you got but it is Kubiak. He will just try and win. He won't run the score up. They will play the same style they always have. If tehy get to a big lead, they will run, eat clock, punt and play D.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

No rhyme or reason then? #### happens is the best way to unpack this?

Correct

I'm still in the playoffs in two other leagues and I was hoping to get some insight to avoid these type of landmines going forward.

No insight possible, and these landmines can't be avoided. You play probabilities only, not certainties. No amount of research or analysis can get around that.

ok then, I'll stand down now. I thought maybe I missed a key piece of information somewhere. I'll write it off as bad luck. And poor management.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Any playoff contending team should do the same thing when blowing out or being blown out by that much. If they have no chance of winning, why risk an injury? If Foster stayed in and he got hurt, you'd be complaining about why he got hurt when he shouldn't have been in there.

Someone tell BB. He had Welker returning kicks with a minute left in the game. I guess he forgot about Gronkowksi.

This schtick never gets old.