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The 100 Greatest movies of the 1990s #50. The Usual Suspects (21 Viewers)

IMO Denzel Washington should have won Best Actor for his portrayal of Hurricane Rubin Carter…..instead Kevin Spacey got it for American Beauty and to me Denzel was absolutely robbed.

They did a make up call giving it to him for the less than stellar role in Training Day…..meh.
Washington was great in Hurricane, but he deserved that Oscar for Training Day.
Training day is way overrated and so was his performance
This is a take I can get behind. I never got the love for the "King Kong" speech/scene, and thought it was a bit silly.
Wow. I agree with @KarmaPolice AND @Dan Lambskin about the SAME movie? :loco:
 
. I’ve always been fascinated by the stealing pennies subplot; would that really work?

I think it was a subplot in Superman III with Richard Pryor. Same thing. Or am I dreaming?

Yep. Here you go.

It was. I think they referenced it in Office Space even.

That would make sense. I just remember Pryor pulling up in the sports car right after hacking the company.
 
IMO Denzel Washington should have won Best Actor for his portrayal of Hurricane Rubin Carter…..instead Kevin Spacey got it for American Beauty and to me Denzel was absolutely robbed.

They did a make up call giving it to him for the less than stellar role in Training Day…..meh.
Washington was great in Hurricane, but he deserved that Oscar for Training Day.
Training day is way overrated and so was his performance
This is a take I can get behind. I never got the love for the "King Kong" speech/scene, and thought it was a bit silly.
Wow. I agree with @KarmaPolice AND @Dan Lambskin about the SAME movie? :loco:
this the signal for the end of times?

Human sacrifice! KP and Andy agreeing on movies! Mass hysteria!
 
I think we've done enough of these to determine that "greatest" and "favorite" are basically synonymous in this context.

I thought so too but then Tim said something conflicting just upthread.
He said something conflicting with that, but then also said that "entertainment" is the major criteria. They are favorites.
He said his favorites list would be “different” though.
Guess we can’t get a straight answer from him.
If I remember right, he posted they would be in different order - not that the movies on the list would be that much different.
But that doesn't change what I said.
 
I think we've done enough of these to determine that "greatest" and "favorite" are basically synonymous in this context.

I thought so too but then Tim said something conflicting just upthread.
He said something conflicting with that, but then also said that "entertainment" is the major criteria. They are favorites.
He said his favorites list would be “different” though.
Guess we can’t get a straight answer from him.
If I remember right, he posted they would be in different order - not that the movies on the list would be that much different.
But that doesn't change what I said.
Fair
 
63. The Rainmaker (1997)

Directed by: Francis Ford Coppola

Starring: Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Claire Danes, Jon Voight

Synopsis:
An unemployed rookie lawyer takes on a large insurance corporation.

What’s the difference between a lawyer and a hooker? A hooker will stop screwing you after you’re dead. - Matt Damon as Rudy Baylor

This is the second of the two John Grisham movies on the list, and it’s his best film (I think it might be his best novel as well.) Superb acting all around by an all star cast and a terrific courtroom drama.
I liked the Rainmaker and enjoyed all of the Grisham book-to-movie catalogue.

But it is in no universe a better movie than Se7en. Like none.

This is like bizarro world stuff. I feel like I'm being trolled or on Punk'd or something.
Tim's ratings and opinions are one thing, but this repeated after every subsequent movie listed gets really tiring.

I agree with Pip's that Tim does himself a disservice by titling the thread "greatest" movies. I think it's clear he is doing a personal list of his favorite movies and in that context I could 100% understand people not liking or wanting to rewatch Se7en, no matter my thoughts on it.
It’s not a disservice. And I very much disagree that Se7en is a better film than The Rainmaker for several reasons. I could offer them all but it’s easier for me to make the point that, for all the interesting aspects of Se7en, The Rainmaker (along with all the other films I ranked above Se7en) are simply more entertaining to watch. In my judgment this factor overrides all others.

Now “greatest” is certainly a subjective term but the reason that I use it is exactly to achieve the sort of debate and discussion that threads like this create. If I simply made a list of my favorite films of the 90s (which honestly might be a very different list) it wouldn’t receive the same response. And @Jayrod is wrong; this isn’t any form of trolling. Yes I think The Rainmaker is a better film than Se7en. He is free to disagree.
I usually just pretend that the whole ranking thread is like a David Brooks column. Or a dinner at The Cheesecake Factory. Lots of people probably love every Grisham movie, so much that they think The Rainmaker was good. Just like lots of people really enjoy their Friday night trip to the CF for dinner.

Regardless, I love these rankings and appreciate you doing them, even though the idea of ranking The Rainmaker over Se7en is almost as distasteful to me as being forced to eat a bang bang shrimp appetizer at CF this weekend.

If you had said that spelling the name of the movie as “Se7en” instead of “Seven” caused you to move the ranking down 15-20 slots out of annoyance, that would resonate more with me. :)
lol I can’t think of a worse insult than being compared to a Cheesecake Factory dinner. Man you are being cruel here!
 
61. Toy Story 2 (1999)

Directed by: John Lassiter

Featuring the voices of: Tom Hanks, Tim Allen

Synopsis:
Continuing the adventures of Woody, Buzz Lightyear, and the rest of Andy’s toys.

Ride like the wind,Bullseye! - Tom Hanks as Woody

So a lot of people think this is actually a better film than the original. I disagree, but this is still a tremendous film, one of the greatest children’s movies of all time, and the differences are slight. I could probably go either way.
 
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Bo Peep: This is for Woody, when you find him.
[She gives Buzz a long kiss]
Buzz Lightyear: [cough] Um, okay, but it won't be the same coming from me.

I make sure to pack my Angry Eyes whenever I leave the house. If you don't like this movie, you're probably @General Malaise
Great movie, i just slightly prefer 3 and 1.
It's unbelievable to me that TS1 is a 30 year old movie.
 
I'm a Pixar fan.
Very few missteps in their catalog. The 10 year old and I watched Brave and The Incredibles a couple weeks ago. I think Onward is the only one we haven't gotten to.
I think I became a jaded adult around the Cars timeframe. That's when Joe Ranft died and I don't think the stories have ever been the same.

Not that they're bad, just not as good.
 
63. The Rainmaker (1997)

Directed by: Francis Ford Coppola

Starring: Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Claire Danes, Jon Voight

Synopsis:
An unemployed rookie lawyer takes on a large insurance corporation.

What’s the difference between a lawyer and a hooker? A hooker will stop screwing you after you’re dead. - Matt Damon as Rudy Baylor

This is the second of the two John Grisham movies on the list, and it’s his best film (I think it might be his best novel as well.) Superb acting all around by an all star cast and a terrific courtroom drama.
I liked the Rainmaker and enjoyed all of the Grisham book-to-movie catalogue.

But it is in no universe a better movie than Se7en. Like none.

This is like bizarro world stuff. I feel like I'm being trolled or on Punk'd or something.
Tim's ratings and opinions are one thing, but this repeated after every subsequent movie listed gets really tiring.

I agree with Pip's that Tim does himself a disservice by titling the thread "greatest" movies. I think it's clear he is doing a personal list of his favorite movies and in that context I could 100% understand people not liking or wanting to rewatch Se7en, no matter my thoughts on it.
It’s not a disservice. And I very much disagree that Se7en is a better film than The Rainmaker for several reasons. I could offer them all but it’s easier for me to make the point that, for all the interesting aspects of Se7en, The Rainmaker (along with all the other films I ranked above Se7en) are simply more entertaining to watch. In my judgment this factor overrides all others.

Now “greatest” is certainly a subjective term but the reason that I use it is exactly to achieve the sort of debate and discussion that threads like this create. If I simply made a list of my favorite films of the 90s (which honestly might be a very different list) it wouldn’t receive the same response. And @Jayrod is wrong; this isn’t any form of trolling. Yes I think The Rainmaker is a better film than Se7en. He is free to disagree.
I usually just pretend that the whole ranking thread is like a David Brooks column. Or a dinner at The Cheesecake Factory. Lots of people probably love every Grisham movie, so much that they think The Rainmaker was good. Just like lots of people really enjoy their Friday night trip to the CF for dinner.

Regardless, I love these rankings and appreciate you doing them, even though the idea of ranking The Rainmaker over Se7en is almost as distasteful to me as being forced to eat a bang bang shrimp appetizer at CF this weekend.

If you had said that spelling the name of the movie as “Se7en” instead of “Seven” caused you to move the ranking down 15-20 slots out of annoyance, that would resonate more with me. :)
lol I can’t think of a worse insult than being compared to a Cheesecake Factory dinner. Man you are being cruel here!
It’s all love here Tim. Take the David Brooks comparison instead. He’s a smart and insightful guy — I like reading him a great deal.
 
63. The Rainmaker (1997)

Directed by: Francis Ford Coppola

Starring: Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Claire Danes, Jon Voight

Synopsis:
An unemployed rookie lawyer takes on a large insurance corporation.

What’s the difference between a lawyer and a hooker? A hooker will stop screwing you after you’re dead. - Matt Damon as Rudy Baylor

This is the second of the two John Grisham movies on the list, and it’s his best film (I think it might be his best novel as well.) Superb acting all around by an all star cast and a terrific courtroom drama.
I liked the Rainmaker and enjoyed all of the Grisham book-to-movie catalogue.

But it is in no universe a better movie than Se7en. Like none.

This is like bizarro world stuff. I feel like I'm being trolled or on Punk'd or something.
Tim's ratings and opinions are one thing, but this repeated after every subsequent movie listed gets really tiring.

I agree with Pip's that Tim does himself a disservice by titling the thread "greatest" movies. I think it's clear he is doing a personal list of his favorite movies and in that context I could 100% understand people not liking or wanting to rewatch Se7en, no matter my thoughts on it.
It’s not a disservice. And I very much disagree that Se7en is a better film than The Rainmaker for several reasons. I could offer them all but it’s easier for me to make the point that, for all the interesting aspects of Se7en, The Rainmaker (along with all the other films I ranked above Se7en) are simply more entertaining to watch. In my judgment this factor overrides all others.

Now “greatest” is certainly a subjective term but the reason that I use it is exactly to achieve the sort of debate and discussion that threads like this create. If I simply made a list of my favorite films of the 90s (which honestly might be a very different list) it wouldn’t receive the same response. And @Jayrod is wrong; this isn’t any form of trolling. Yes I think The Rainmaker is a better film than Se7en. He is free to disagree.
I usually just pretend that the whole ranking thread is like a David Brooks column. Or a dinner at The Cheesecake Factory. Lots of people probably love every Grisham movie, so much that they think The Rainmaker was good. Just like lots of people really enjoy their Friday night trip to the CF for dinner.

Regardless, I love these rankings and appreciate you doing them, even though the idea of ranking The Rainmaker over Se7en is almost as distasteful to me as being forced to eat a bang bang shrimp appetizer at CF this weekend.

If you had said that spelling the name of the movie as “Se7en” instead of “Seven” caused you to move the ranking down 15-20 slots out of annoyance, that would resonate more with me. :)
lol I can’t think of a worse insult than being compared to a Cheesecake Factory dinner. Man you are being cruel here!
It’s all love here Tim. Take the David Brooks comparison instead. He’s a smart and insightful guy — I like reading him a great deal.

I kind of like the David Brooks = Cheesecake Factory comparison. I like Cheesecake Factory's cheesecake but I know it's a chain endeavor. Not a big fan of the food menu, but they do what they advertise as their calling pretty well. With Brooks you know you're getting a secular NYT op-ed conservative and all that it means. Don't go too far down the intellectual rabbit hole and you'll be okay.
 
63. The Rainmaker (1997)

Directed by: Francis Ford Coppola

Starring: Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Claire Danes, Jon Voight

Synopsis:
An unemployed rookie lawyer takes on a large insurance corporation.

What’s the difference between a lawyer and a hooker? A hooker will stop screwing you after you’re dead. - Matt Damon as Rudy Baylor

This is the second of the two John Grisham movies on the list, and it’s his best film (I think it might be his best novel as well.) Superb acting all around by an all star cast and a terrific courtroom drama.
I liked the Rainmaker and enjoyed all of the Grisham book-to-movie catalogue.

But it is in no universe a better movie than Se7en. Like none.

This is like bizarro world stuff. I feel like I'm being trolled or on Punk'd or something.
Tim's ratings and opinions are one thing, but this repeated after every subsequent movie listed gets really tiring.

I agree with Pip's that Tim does himself a disservice by titling the thread "greatest" movies. I think it's clear he is doing a personal list of his favorite movies and in that context I could 100% understand people not liking or wanting to rewatch Se7en, no matter my thoughts on it.
It’s not a disservice. And I very much disagree that Se7en is a better film than The Rainmaker for several reasons. I could offer them all but it’s easier for me to make the point that, for all the interesting aspects of Se7en, The Rainmaker (along with all the other films I ranked above Se7en) are simply more entertaining to watch. In my judgment this factor overrides all others.

Now “greatest” is certainly a subjective term but the reason that I use it is exactly to achieve the sort of debate and discussion that threads like this create. If I simply made a list of my favorite films of the 90s (which honestly might be a very different list) it wouldn’t receive the same response. And @Jayrod is wrong; this isn’t any form of trolling. Yes I think The Rainmaker is a better film than Se7en. He is free to disagree.
I usually just pretend that the whole ranking thread is like a David Brooks column. Or a dinner at The Cheesecake Factory. Lots of people probably love every Grisham movie, so much that they think The Rainmaker was good. Just like lots of people really enjoy their Friday night trip to the CF for dinner.

Regardless, I love these rankings and appreciate you doing them, even though the idea of ranking The Rainmaker over Se7en is almost as distasteful to me as being forced to eat a bang bang shrimp appetizer at CF this weekend.

If you had said that spelling the name of the movie as “Se7en” instead of “Seven” caused you to move the ranking down 15-20 slots out of annoyance, that would resonate more with me. :)
lol I can’t think of a worse insult than being compared to a Cheesecake Factory dinner. Man you are being cruel here!
It’s all love here Tim. Take the David Brooks comparison instead. He’s a smart and insightful guy — I like reading him a great deal.

I kind of like the David Brooks = Cheesecake Factory comparison. I like Cheesecake Factory's cheesecake but I know it's a chain endeavor. Not a big fan of the food menu, but they do what they advertise as their calling pretty well. With Brooks you know you're getting a secular NYT op-ed conservative and all that it means. Don't go too far down the intellectual rabbit hole and you'll be okay.

Cheesecake Factory makes a solid Cubano. :thumbup:
 
60. That Thing You Do! (1996)

Directed by: Tom Hanks

Starring: Tom Everett Scott, Liv Tyler, Steve Zahn, Tom Hanks

Synopsis:
in the early 1960’s, an unlikely rock band from Pittsburgh scores a hit record.

I have wasted thousands and thousands of kisses on you- Liv Tyler as Faye

Even more Tom Hanks goodness here. Captures the the feel, energy and excitement of the early Beatles rock and roll era. Hanks turned out to be a pretty good writer and director.

Interesting trivia: the opening scenes, which were supposed to 1960s downtown Pittsburgh, were actually filmed in downtown Orange, Ca, which I learned years later when both my daughters attended Chapman University a block away.
 
60. That Thing You Do! (1996)

Directed by: Tom Hanks

Starring: Tom Everett Scott, Liv Tyler, Steve Zahn, Tom Hanks

Synopsis:
in the early 1960’s, an unlikely rock band from Pittsburgh scores a hit record.

I have wasted thousands and thousands of kisses on you- Liv Tyler as Faye

Even more Tom Hanks goodness here. Captures the the feel, energy and excitement of the early Beatles rock and roll era. Hanks turned out to be a pretty good writer and director.

Interesting trivia: the opening scenes, which were supposed to 1960s downtown Pittsburgh, were actually filmed in downtown Orange, Ca, which I learned years later when both my daughters attended Chapman University a block away.
I adore this movie.
 
60. That Thing You Do! (1996)

Directed by: Tom Hanks

Starring: Tom Everett Scott, Liv Tyler, Steve Zahn, Tom Hanks

Synopsis:
in the early 1960’s, an unlikely rock band from Pittsburgh scores a hit record.

I have wasted thousands and thousands of kisses on you- Liv Tyler as Faye

Even more Tom Hanks goodness here. Captures the the feel, energy and excitement of the early Beatles rock and roll era. Hanks turned out to be a pretty good writer and director.

Interesting trivia: the opening scenes, which were supposed to 1960s downtown Pittsburgh, were actually filmed in downtown Orange, Ca, which I learned years later when both my daughters attended Chapman University a block away.
I adore this movie.
it was a very pleasant movie but 60th best of the 90s?
 
60. That Thing You Do! (1996)

Directed by: Tom Hanks

Starring: Tom Everett Scott, Liv Tyler, Steve Zahn, Tom Hanks

Synopsis:
in the early 1960’s, an unlikely rock band from Pittsburgh scores a hit record.

I have wasted thousands and thousands of kisses on you- Liv Tyler as Faye

Even more Tom Hanks goodness here. Captures the the feel, energy and excitement of the early Beatles rock and roll era. Hanks turned out to be a pretty good writer and director.

Interesting trivia: the opening scenes, which were supposed to 1960s downtown Pittsburgh, were actually filmed in downtown Orange, Ca, which I learned years later when both my daughters attended Chapman University a block away.
I adore this movie.
it was a very pleasant movie but 60th best of the 90s?
If I were picking my own favorites from the decade, it would be Top Ten.
 
60. That Thing You Do! (1996)

Directed by: Tom Hanks

Starring: Tom Everett Scott, Liv Tyler, Steve Zahn, Tom Hanks

Synopsis:
in the early 1960’s, an unlikely rock band from Pittsburgh scores a hit record.

I have wasted thousands and thousands of kisses on you- Liv Tyler as Faye

Even more Tom Hanks goodness here. Captures the the feel, energy and excitement of the early Beatles rock and roll era. Hanks turned out to be a pretty good writer and director.

Interesting trivia: the opening scenes, which were supposed to 1960s downtown Pittsburgh, were actually filmed in downtown Orange, Ca, which I learned years later when both my daughters attended Chapman University a block away.
I adore this movie.
just re-watched it in the last couple months... holds up great. and the song still holds up as well (despite getting played to death.. .intentionally... in the movie). such a fun movie

god I love Liv Tyler. she toured my kids preschool as a prospective parent and I will never forget seeing her walk into the entry court- just freaking radiant head-turning breathtaking- sucked the air out of the entire area she was that beautiful (and we had a Victorias Secret model mom and another former super model there at the time... not to mention my wife!).
 
60. That Thing You Do! (1996)

Directed by: Tom Hanks

Starring: Tom Everett Scott, Liv Tyler, Steve Zahn, Tom Hanks

Synopsis:
in the early 1960’s, an unlikely rock band from Pittsburgh scores a hit record.

I have wasted thousands and thousands of kisses on you- Liv Tyler as Faye

Even more Tom Hanks goodness here. Captures the the feel, energy and excitement of the early Beatles rock and roll era. Hanks turned out to be a pretty good writer and director.

Interesting trivia: the opening scenes, which were supposed to 1960s downtown Pittsburgh, were actually filmed in downtown Orange, Ca, which I learned years later when both my daughters attended Chapman University a block away.
I adore this movie.
Super rewatchable. Hanks as the record exec was low key great performance
 
60. That Thing You Do! (1996)

Directed by: Tom Hanks

Starring: Tom Everett Scott, Liv Tyler, Steve Zahn, Tom Hanks

Synopsis:
in the early 1960’s, an unlikely rock band from Pittsburgh scores a hit record.

I have wasted thousands and thousands of kisses on you- Liv Tyler as Faye

Even more Tom Hanks goodness here. Captures the the feel, energy and excitement of the early Beatles rock and roll era. Hanks turned out to be a pretty good writer and director.

Interesting trivia: the opening scenes, which were supposed to 1960s downtown Pittsburgh, were actually filmed in downtown Orange, Ca, which I learned years later when both my daughters attended Chapman University a block away.
I adore this movie.
it was a very pleasant movie but 60th best of the 90s?

You know, I did like this movie a bunch but I’ve got to tell you that I think I sort of agree with you, BP. I’d have to think about it, but this seems either about right or a touch high.

I remember I saw it in the theatre with my old girlfriend, and I was really into that era of rock and roll (unlike our classmates, who had seemingly never heard of American music before ‘67) and we still were like “nice movie,” but weren’t blown away by it.

That said, I remember the fictitious names of the bands, so it was memorable. . .
 
So not a fan of animation....Tim has always ranked animated substantially higher than me.

That Thing You Do also not a favorite....doesn't make my top 100.
 
So not a fan of animation....Tim has always ranked animated substantially higher than me.

That Thing You Do also not a favorite....doesn't make my top 100.

The animation/kid movies is hard for me to wrap my head around for the 90s.

90s for me was age 17-27. The idea of going to a movie theater and paying hard earned money to watch a kids' movie absent kids of my own was preposterous. I certainly wasn't renting them either.

And once I did start cranking out kids, we were in the aughts and that decade fed us plenty of kids' movies to keep 'em entertained so I just missed the window here I think for 90s kids' flicks.

I've never seen That Thing You Do but I'll bet my life it's a better movie than Any Given Sunday.
 
59. Independence Day (1996)

Directed by: Roland Emmerich

Starring: Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum, Bill Pullman, Mary McDonnell, Vivica A. Fox, Randy Quaid, Judd Hirsch

Synopsis:
Humanity must fight back when a group of locust like aliens attack the Earth.


We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!…today we celebrate our Independence Day!!!- Bill Pullman as President Thomas Whitmore

OK I know, you have to suspend your logic at times for this movie to make sense- particularly the notion that TV repair guy Jeff Goldbum is so damn good with a laptop that he can break into the alien computer system and give it a virus, thus saving the Earth. Or that Will Smith is such a badass pilot that he can study an alien spaceship for all of five minutes and figure out how to operate it. There’s a whole lot more…

But if you can put all of that aside what we have here is an outstanding Hollywood epic. Emmerich was trying to recreate the excitement of blockbuster old movies like King Kong and he does a very good job, with an all star cast. Goldblum is, as always, terrific.
 
59. Independence Day (1996)

Directed by: Roland Emmerich

Starring: Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum, Bill Pullman, Mary McDonnell, Vivica A. Fox, Randy Quaid, Judd Hirsch

Synopsis:
Humanity must fight back when a group of locust like aliens attack the Earth.


We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!…today we celebrate our Independence Day!!!- Bill Pullman as President Thomas Whitmore

OK I know, you have to suspend your logic at times for this movie to make sense- particularly the notion that TV repair guy Jeff Goldbum is so damn good with a laptop that he can break into the alien computer system and give it a virus, thus saving the Earth. Or that Will Smith is such a badass pilot that he can study an alien spaceship for all of five minutes and figure out how to operate it. There’s a whole lot more…

But if you can put all of that aside what we have here is an outstanding Hollywood epic. Emmerich was trying to recreate the excitement of blockbuster old movies like King Kong and he does a very good job, with an all star cast. Goldblum is, as always, terrific.
Still remember seeing this while on a cross-country road trip. I think I saw it in Nashville? Or maybe Philly? Either way, it was just after 4th of July and it was AWESOME and still is. One of those movies you can watch pretty much yearly, and perhaps even starting halfway through. A personal fave.
 
If you had said that spelling the name of the movie as “Se7en” instead of “Seven” caused you to move the ranking down 15-20 slots out of annoyance, that would resonate more with me.
Irritates the stuffing out of me. Not okay.
Oh rel4x. ;)

I think Sunny Day did a better “Seven”

One of my favorite heavy songs ever.


eta* Don’t you mean “Oh r3lax”?
 

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