The Apple iPhone Thread (5 Viewers)

[No. 16]

Gazelle is going to buy my iphone4 for about $175.That just about covers the cost of the upgrade if I stick with 16GB. Pretty sweet. I'm stoked.

If to bought it from at&t and are finished with the contract they will unlock our for free and you can sell it for $300+.

 

[CrossEyed]

Just finished installing iOS 6.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Gazelle is going to buy my iphone4 for about $175.That just about covers the cost of the upgrade if I stick with 16GB. Pretty sweet. I'm stoked.

If to bought it from at&t and are finished with the contract they will unlock our for free and you can sell it for $300+.

this sounds like the teacher from Charlie Brown. Not sure what it was like before the edit.Can you clarify when you're not typing on a phone?

 

[17seconds]

Apple has been at the end of a creative cycle for over a year. It was a good run. I wonder how long they can milk upgrades to this product portfolio. It's aging.

Their biggest burst of creativity created the iPhone. That was huge.For a while, they resisted apps on it, but then caved and created an SDK and opened up the app store, and that was huge.Many other updates have been fairly incremental. iCloud was another big step, but more of a big picture, apple ecosystem, step.Since then, they've been making it smaller, faster, better batter life, more specs, and improving the ability for developers to develop, and for people to share stuff.Siri was kinda a toy, and may turn into something much more useful.NFC is still on the horizon, but is still a bleeding edge technology in mobile, and apple's history shows they don't do bleeding edge...they wait until the chips are energy efficient and a strong case can be made for integrating the functionality with their product.I think that in the future, it'll be hard to see too many more innovations as huge as they ones they've done previously. I think they'll primarily be what was mentioned above, software improvements, which are far more important.NFC will be nice to have, but without a killer-app for it, and some behind the scenes negotiations with key players, won't be terribly useful.I think the next big leap will come external to the iphone, and will be a host of new products that the iphone will and can control. If Apple were smart, and of course they are, they'd see the iphone as a mobile communciation device, a gaming center, a music center, but also a "life remote control" such that it can be used to do all sorts of things in your life. It can already do your schedule, make phone calls, send emails and texts, tweet, facebook, game...but can it control your air conditioner at home? (Yes, mine does). Can it be a remote control for your TV? Yes, but not mainstream. Can it control your home locks, start your car, control your lighting in the house, schedule tv programs to be recorded, place orders for food at the grocery stores?To me, that's the future innovations that the iphone will be used for, in competition of course with the Droid phones...but it will be apple's unique vision guiding its implementation of the above concepts that makes it unique.From an investment point of view, however, I think that the growth opportunities are more for outside companies now than Apple. Apple has to continue to innovate and work with other industries to maintain their sales and expand...but moving into new territories is much harder now. It's the related companies creating related goods that work with iphones and droids and other mobile devices that are poised to take over our lives, like the iphone and subsequent clones have.

it's all incremental at this point... we've reached the apex of processing/resolution/etc. Phone hardware is irrelevant... now it's about the ecosystem/integration.

Disagree. What is the hottest phone right now? Galaxy S3. Why? Hardware.

What is so revolutionary about the S3 hardware!? 0.2ghz faster processor (that nobody needs)? 0.5" larger screen? It's all incremental. And the S3 was the hottest phone for the last quarter or so because everyone was waiting on the iPhone release. Not taking anything away from the phone, but let's be honest with our hyperbole.

No hyperbole. The S3 is not revolutionary. It just has the best hardware and that's why it is the most popular. It's not the OS. Hardware design is not at an apex. Samsung has been killing it lately and it's all because of the hardware.

 

[No. 16]

Gazelle is going to buy my iphone4 for about $175.

That just about covers the cost of the upgrade if I stick with 16GB. Pretty sweet. I'm stoked.

If to bought it from at&t and are finished with the contract they will unlock our for free and you can sell it for $300+.

this sounds like the teacher from Charlie Brown. Not sure what it was like before the edit.Can you clarify when you're not typing on a phone?

Oof. Last time I trust Swype that much. Anyways, if you originally bought your iPhone from AT&T, finished out the 2 year contract, and your account is in good standing AT&T will factory unlock the iphone for free. Simple process. You send in a request. They email you in a a couple of days and then you back up and restore your iPhone iTunes and it will be unlocked.

AT&T Eligibility Unlock

 

[No. 16]

Apple has been at the end of a creative cycle for over a year. It was a good run. I wonder how long they can milk upgrades to this product portfolio. It's aging.

Their biggest burst of creativity created the iPhone. That was huge.For a while, they resisted apps on it, but then caved and created an SDK and opened up the app store, and that was huge.

Many other updates have been fairly incremental. iCloud was another big step, but more of a big picture, apple ecosystem, step.

Since then, they've been making it smaller, faster, better batter life, more specs, and improving the ability for developers to develop, and for people to share stuff.

Siri was kinda a toy, and may turn into something much more useful.

NFC is still on the horizon, but is still a bleeding edge technology in mobile, and apple's history shows they don't do bleeding edge...they wait until the chips are energy efficient and a strong case can be made for integrating the functionality with their product.

I think that in the future, it'll be hard to see too many more innovations as huge as they ones they've done previously. I think they'll primarily be what was mentioned above, software improvements, which are far more important.

NFC will be nice to have, but without a killer-app for it, and some behind the scenes negotiations with key players, won't be terribly useful.

I think the next big leap will come external to the iphone, and will be a host of new products that the iphone will and can control. If Apple were smart, and of course they are, they'd see the iphone as a mobile communciation device, a gaming center, a music center, but also a "life remote control" such that it can be used to do all sorts of things in your life.

It can already do your schedule, make phone calls, send emails and texts, tweet, facebook, game...but can it control your air conditioner at home? (Yes, mine does). Can it be a remote control for your TV? Yes, but not mainstream. Can it control your home locks, start your car, control your lighting in the house, schedule tv programs to be recorded, place orders for food at the grocery stores?

To me, that's the future innovations that the iphone will be used for, in competition of course with the Droid phones...but it will be apple's unique vision guiding its implementation of the above concepts that makes it unique.

From an investment point of view, however, I think that the growth opportunities are more for outside companies now than Apple. Apple has to continue to innovate and work with other industries to maintain their sales and expand...but moving into new territories is much harder now. It's the related companies creating related goods that work with iphones and droids and other mobile devices that are poised to take over our lives, like the iphone and subsequent clones have.

it's all incremental at this point... we've reached the apex of processing/resolution/etc. Phone hardware is irrelevant... now it's about the ecosystem/integration.

Disagree. What is the hottest phone right now? Galaxy S3. Why? Hardware.

What is so revolutionary about the S3 hardware!? 0.2ghz faster processor (that nobody needs)? 0.5" larger screen? It's all incremental. And the S3 was the hottest phone for the last quarter or so because everyone was waiting on the iPhone release. Not taking anything away from the phone, but let's be honest with our hyperbole.

No hyperbole. The S3 is not revolutionary. It just has the best hardware and that's why it is the most popular. It's not the OS. Hardware design is not at an apex. Samsung has been killing it lately and it's all because of the hardware.

I'll have to agree to disagree as someone who recently switched from iPhone 4 to an S3. The Android OS is not as intuitive to use, but the trade off is ultimate customization. I'm not going to beat anyone up for what phone they choose, but if you're a current iPhone user who was underwhelmed by the iPhone 5 reveal now is the perfect time to try out something else (S3 or HTC One x).

 

[Maelstrom]

Apple has been at the end of a creative cycle for over a year. It was a good run. I wonder how long they can milk upgrades to this product portfolio. It's aging.

Their biggest burst of creativity created the iPhone. That was huge.For a while, they resisted apps on it, but then caved and created an SDK and opened up the app store, and that was huge.

Many other updates have been fairly incremental. iCloud was another big step, but more of a big picture, apple ecosystem, step.

Since then, they've been making it smaller, faster, better batter life, more specs, and improving the ability for developers to develop, and for people to share stuff.

Siri was kinda a toy, and may turn into something much more useful.

NFC is still on the horizon, but is still a bleeding edge technology in mobile, and apple's history shows they don't do bleeding edge...they wait until the chips are energy efficient and a strong case can be made for integrating the functionality with their product.

I think that in the future, it'll be hard to see too many more innovations as huge as they ones they've done previously. I think they'll primarily be what was mentioned above, software improvements, which are far more important.

NFC will be nice to have, but without a killer-app for it, and some behind the scenes negotiations with key players, won't be terribly useful.

I think the next big leap will come external to the iphone, and will be a host of new products that the iphone will and can control. If Apple were smart, and of course they are, they'd see the iphone as a mobile communciation device, a gaming center, a music center, but also a "life remote control" such that it can be used to do all sorts of things in your life.

It can already do your schedule, make phone calls, send emails and texts, tweet, facebook, game...but can it control your air conditioner at home? (Yes, mine does). Can it be a remote control for your TV? Yes, but not mainstream. Can it control your home locks, start your car, control your lighting in the house, schedule tv programs to be recorded, place orders for food at the grocery stores?

To me, that's the future innovations that the iphone will be used for, in competition of course with the Droid phones...but it will be apple's unique vision guiding its implementation of the above concepts that makes it unique.

From an investment point of view, however, I think that the growth opportunities are more for outside companies now than Apple. Apple has to continue to innovate and work with other industries to maintain their sales and expand...but moving into new territories is much harder now. It's the related companies creating related goods that work with iphones and droids and other mobile devices that are poised to take over our lives, like the iphone and subsequent clones have.

it's all incremental at this point... we've reached the apex of processing/resolution/etc. Phone hardware is irrelevant... now it's about the ecosystem/integration.

Disagree. What is the hottest phone right now? Galaxy S3. Why? Hardware.

What is so revolutionary about the S3 hardware!? 0.2ghz faster processor (that nobody needs)? 0.5" larger screen? It's all incremental. And the S3 was the hottest phone for the last quarter or so because everyone was waiting on the iPhone release. Not taking anything away from the phone, but let's be honest with our hyperbole.

No hyperbole. The S3 is not revolutionary. It just has the best hardware and that's why it is the most popular. It's not the OS. Hardware design is not at an apex. Samsung has been killing it lately and it's all because of the hardware.

I'll have to agree to disagree as someone who recently switched from iPhone 4 to an S3. The Android OS is not as intuitive to use, but the trade off is ultimate customization. I'm not going to beat anyone up for what phone they choose, but if you're a current iPhone user who was underwhelmed by the iPhone 5 reveal now is the perfect time to try out something else (S3 or HTC One x).

That has always been the reason for my preference for Android, the ability to customize my phone way more than Apple allows. That comes at a cost, and the cost is more time spent tinkering with settings, performance costs to allow for the customization and a plethora of different ways to do the exact same thing, all of which could degrade the user experience. I'd argue that it enhances my user experience, but I also don't fault those that feel that Apple got it right and they don't need to customize anything that Apple doesn't let them.

 

[[icon]]

Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

 

[drummer]

No hyperbole. The S3 is not revolutionary. It just has the best hardware and that's why it is the most popular. It's not the OS. Hardware design is not at an apex. Samsung has been killing it lately and it's all because of the hardware.

Pretty much, and ZOMG specs are more attractive towards the gadget fetishists rather than the average user who doesn't know specs. Of course you have the younger crowd who has to have the latest as well. A buddy of mine waited for months for the latest Google Nexus, only to see the GS3 come out months later. The good thing about phone spec wars is that you can get still great phone in a GS2 at a lower price, which fills out a market like pre-paid to get those handsets on their plans. I like the XPeria and the Lumia as far as design, and I think their respective processing specs and lower than the GS3, as well as the screen size being slightly smaller.

 

[-fish-]

is facetime over cellular networks worth upgrading for? nothing else will make a difference to my user experience.

 

[goonsquad]

Apple is so predictable lol. Basically they made a bigger screen (which they should have done a long time ago), made it a little thinner, and made the built-in maps talk. Am I missing anything?

I was a longtime iphone user, but in February I switched to Android. I wanted a bigger screen and my phone has a 4.5 inch screen, which is perfect. Android interface isn't as "smooth" as an iphones and Pandora on Android is awful, it's waay to clunky. But my HTC has great picture editing, one thing the iphone lacks. I might switch and get an iPhone, I'm not sure yet. iPhone also has a fantastic battery life, something my Android severely lacks and I'll be damned if I pay an arm and leg for an extended battery pack.

Decisions, decisions..

Seriously? Never heard of iPhoto? Not to mention the thousands of third party photo apps in the app store?

 

[toshiba]

It's no Galaxy 3S but it is still better than the iPhone 4

 

[CrossEyed]

Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

Instructions at jailbreaknation.com. And it's not a jailbreak. 6.0 is out in GM for developers but if you can download the file you can install it.ETA direct link

 

[culdeus]

is facetime over cellular networks worth upgrading for? nothing else will make a difference to my user experience.

You could have jail broken that in from day 1. My kids use it from the road all the time. This isn't some huge breakthrough but an agreement reached with att

 

[joffer]

Can't wait

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

It's no Galaxy 3S but it is still better than the iPhone 4

Good to see Apple catching up.

 

[zDragon]

Apple's Schiller:

"Schiller told All Things D that the decision not to include NFC actually stemmed from Passbook, which he said "does the kinds of things customer need today." The app, which organizes digital tickets, coupons and more, will roll out with iOS 6 on Sept. 19.

On the inductive charging front, Schiller pointed out the perceived convenience of such systems are questionable given they too need to be plugged into an outlet. The USB interface, however, can be plugged into walls, computers and airplanes.

“Having to create another device you have to plug into the wall is actually, for most situations, more complicated,” Schiller said.

Extending the discussion of dock connectors, Schiller explained that the Lightning port was a necessity in launching the new iPhone 5 and iPods. He said it wasn't possible to build such thin products without changing the connector from the 30-pin design first introduced in 2003.

“This is the new connector for many years to come,” Schiller said.'

Sorta makes sense...

So it's easier to plug a cable into the wall and then plug the cable into the phone than to plug a cable into the wall and lay the phone on a charging pad?I just don't see it. They will introduce it eventually.

1) inductive charging takes up precious space on the inside of the phones making them larger/heavier2) you save the very laborious step of having to insert a cable into the phone. For that you have to not only take the cable but the comparatively bulky mat with you wherever you go.

http://www.energizer.com/inductive/iphone/

I'm not saying Inductive charging isn't without merit, I just don't think the tradeoff/benefit ratio is there yet to warrant its inclusion.

1) So exactly how much space does it take up and weight does it add? My guess is not enough to make a huge diffence at this point. I would much rather have the ability than not. 2) My point was it is not more complicated. I travel a lot and have a dedicated charger in both of my offices and my bedroom. I also carry a normal cable in my laptop bag. The point being I'd prefer to just drop my phone on a charging pad. Schiller is the one make the comment one is harder than the other.

 

[One]

It's no Galaxy 3S but it is still better than the iPhone 4

 

[Billy Bats]

I miss the good ol' days, when the only thing that mattered was that you had a phone. Didn't matter that it was the size of a brick, you had it if you needed it. Buy the damn phone you like, they're all the same anyway, it's a pocket computer that also can call people!! All you kids these days are spoiled rotten!

 

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1) So exactly how much space does it take up and weight does it add? My guess is not enough to make a huge diffence at this point. I would much rather have the ability than not.

2) My point was it is not more complicated. I travel a lot and have a dedicated charger in both of my offices and my bedroom. I also carry a normal cable in my laptop bag. The point being I'd prefer to just drop my phone on a charging pad. Schiller is the one make the comment one is harder than the other.

Take a look here.Inductive charging includes adding a small coil just inside the back of the phone's case. It's not extremely thick but it's likely to add a good 10-15% to the thickness of the i5 or S3. In addition I'm unaware of it's compatibility with the aluminum backplates used in iPhones.

Inductive charging isstill in it's infancy and is not without issues. Heat due to inefficiency is one starting point. You think people whined about their iPad's getting hot...wait till their phones get that temp. Also it's wasteful (80-85% efficient at best right now)... not something a "Green" company like Apple wants to align themselves with just yet.

And finally... I can all but guarantee you that Apple won't get involved until the phone can "pair" with the charging mat to sync wirelessly as well. No sense in just charging your phone if you're not syncing your data as well.

Regards to the mat... it's up to you... I guess you can carry a small charger the size of a small pair of in-ear headphones.... or carry that same item but connected to a mousepad-esque type sheet for you to set your phone on. Me.. I'd rather just take the extra 0.5 seconds to slip a plug into the phone ... particularly given the other issues with the tech right now.

In a year or two I'm SURE they will have efficiency up.... the charging stations will be smaller, and will also sync the phones... and I'm sure costs will come down and the in-phone electronics will be smaller as well. THEN you'll see Apple getting in bed with the tech. No sense in doing so beforehand though if it's not really 100% ready.

IMO nitpicking over an immature tech that pretty much no phone has right now is a bit silly. But that's just my take.

 

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One think I DO like a lot about the iPhone that IS new tech and IMO will be utilized across many other phones in the future is the multi-mic noise cancellation earpiece. VERY good idea for use in cell phones. I can't tell you how many times I've had to cover up my other ear and/or the mouthpiece of my phone to block out ambient noise so I could hear a call. This should help eliminate some of that.

Nice work guys.

 

[[icon]]

It's no Galaxy 3S but it is still better than the iPhone 4

If referring to the fact that the iPhone isn't made out of cheap, squirt-gun plastic, you're right.Come here and get your cookie, Android Fanboy.

Don't feed the trolls.

 

[zDragon]

1) So exactly how much space does it take up and weight does it add? My guess is not enough to make a huge diffence at this point. I would much rather have the ability than not.

2) My point was it is not more complicated. I travel a lot and have a dedicated charger in both of my offices and my bedroom. I also carry a normal cable in my laptop bag. The point being I'd prefer to just drop my phone on a charging pad. Schiller is the one make the comment one is harder than the other.

Take a look here.Inductive charging includes adding a small coil just inside the back of the phone's case. It's not extremely thick but it's likely to add a good 10-15% to the thickness of the i5 or S3. In addition I'm unaware of it's compatibility with the aluminum backplates used in iPhones.

Inductive charging isstill in it's infancy and is not without issues. Heat due to inefficiency is one starting point. You think people whined about their iPad's getting hot...wait till their phones get that temp. Also it's wasteful (80-85% efficient at best right now)... not something a "Green" company like Apple wants to align themselves with just yet.

And finally... I can all but guarantee you that Apple won't get involved until the phone can "pair" with the charging mat to sync wirelessly as well. No sense in just charging your phone if you're not syncing your data as well.

Regards to the mat... it's up to you... I guess you can carry a small charger the size of a small pair of in-ear headphones.... or carry that same item but connected to a mousepad-esque type sheet for you to set your phone on. Me.. I'd rather just take the extra 0.5 seconds to slip a plug into the phone ... particularly given the other issues with the tech right now.

In a year or two I'm SURE they will have efficiency up.... the charging stations will be smaller, and will also sync the phones... and I'm sure costs will come down and the in-phone electronics will be smaller as well. THEN you'll see Apple getting in bed with the tech. No sense in doing so beforehand though if it's not really 100% ready.

IMO nitpicking over an immature tech that pretty much no phone has right now is a bit silly. But that's just my take.

1. Why would sync be an issue. I haven't had a phone that couldn't wirless sync in a long time. Pretty sure my sons iPhone does that also. So I don't see this as an issue at all.2. I have yet met a serious traveler that doesn't have multiple cables. People that use it day to day that I know have the one charger by the nightstand. Once again something that is not an issue. If you travel once a year the pad would not be an issue.

3. Seems like size wouldn't be as big a deal I would take the 0.03 increase in size for it.

I'm sure apple is waiting to see what the market is and will follow up with inductive charging once it has been worked out. They have already filed a patent for an inductive charger at this point.

 

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1) So exactly how much space does it take up and weight does it add? My guess is not enough to make a huge diffence at this point. I would much rather have the ability than not.

2) My point was it is not more complicated. I travel a lot and have a dedicated charger in both of my offices and my bedroom. I also carry a normal cable in my laptop bag. The point being I'd prefer to just drop my phone on a charging pad. Schiller is the one make the comment one is harder than the other.

Take a look here.Inductive charging includes adding a small coil just inside the back of the phone's case. It's not extremely thick but it's likely to add a good 10-15% to the thickness of the i5 or S3. In addition I'm unaware of it's compatibility with the aluminum backplates used in iPhones.

Inductive charging isstill in it's infancy and is not without issues. Heat due to inefficiency is one starting point. You think people whined about their iPad's getting hot...wait till their phones get that temp. Also it's wasteful (80-85% efficient at best right now)... not something a "Green" company like Apple wants to align themselves with just yet.

And finally... I can all but guarantee you that Apple won't get involved until the phone can "pair" with the charging mat to sync wirelessly as well. No sense in just charging your phone if you're not syncing your data as well.

Regards to the mat... it's up to you... I guess you can carry a small charger the size of a small pair of in-ear headphones.... or carry that same item but connected to a mousepad-esque type sheet for you to set your phone on. Me.. I'd rather just take the extra 0.5 seconds to slip a plug into the phone ... particularly given the other issues with the tech right now.

In a year or two I'm SURE they will have efficiency up.... the charging stations will be smaller, and will also sync the phones... and I'm sure costs will come down and the in-phone electronics will be smaller as well. THEN you'll see Apple getting in bed with the tech. No sense in doing so beforehand though if it's not really 100% ready.

IMO nitpicking over an immature tech that pretty much no phone has right now is a bit silly. But that's just my take.

1. Why would sync be an issue. I haven't had a phone that couldn't wirless sync in a long time. Pretty sure my sons iPhone does that also. So I don't see this as an issue at all.2. I have yet met a serious traveler that doesn't have multiple cables. People that use it day to day that I know have the one charger by the nightstand. Once again something that is not an issue. If you travel once a year the pad would not be an issue.

3. Seems like size wouldn't be as big a deal I would take the 0.03 increase in size for it.

I'm sure apple is waiting to see what the market is and will follow up with inductive charging once it has been worked out. They have already filed a patent for an inductive charger at this point.

I just realized arguing with a wall is silly.

You're right. It's a travesty. It should have had inductive charging.

 

[Teef]

It's no Galaxy 3S but it is still better than the iPhone 4

If referring to the fact that the iPhone isn't made out of cheap, squirt-gun plastic, you're right.Come here and get your cookie, Android Fanboy.

Don't feed the trolls.

I know better.

 

[[icon]]

Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

Instructions at jailbreaknation.com. And it's not a jailbreak. 6.0 is out in GM for developers but if you can download the file you can install it.ETA direct link

Thank you sir... working on it down. The website is slowwwwww as hell this morning.

 

[Pumpnick]

So my contract with AT&T runs out sept 20 and i will be switching to verizon. My question is whats the best way to go about this when buying the i phone? I don't want to sign up before 5 is released because i'll be stuck in a contract with another phone, but if I go to a verizon store on friday to pre order the 5 and sign up with verizon i'd have no phone. I'm guessing they'd give me a "rental phone" but then i have no idea how long it will take them to get the 5 in stock(what if they say it should get here in 2 weeks and its 3 months?). My other option would be to buy the 5 from the apple site with out the rebate and just eat the $200 to make sure I get the phone earlier. Am I getting these choices right? Am I looking at it the wrong way?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Apple's Schiller:

"Schiller told All Things D that the decision not to include NFC actually stemmed from Passbook, which he said "does the kinds of things customer need today." The app, which organizes digital tickets, coupons and more, will roll out with iOS 6 on Sept. 19.

On the inductive charging front, Schiller pointed out the perceived convenience of such systems are questionable given they too need to be plugged into an outlet. The USB interface, however, can be plugged into walls, computers and airplanes.

“Having to create another device you have to plug into the wall is actually, for most situations, more complicated,” Schiller said.

Extending the discussion of dock connectors, Schiller explained that the Lightning port was a necessity in launching the new iPhone 5 and iPods. He said it wasn't possible to build such thin products without changing the connector from the 30-pin design first introduced in 2003.

“This is the new connector for many years to come,” Schiller said.'

Sorta makes sense...

So it's easier to plug a cable into the wall and then plug the cable into the phone than to plug a cable into the wall and lay the phone on a charging pad?I just don't see it. They will introduce it eventually.

1) inductive charging takes up precious space on the inside of the phones making them larger/heavier2) you save the very laborious step of having to insert a cable into the phone. For that you have to not only take the cable but the comparatively bulky mat with you wherever you go.

http://www.energizer.com/inductive/iphone/

I'm not saying Inductive charging isn't without merit, I just don't think the tradeoff/benefit ratio is there yet to warrant its inclusion.

Don't get me wrong, on the 15 days a year I travel I'll still bring a cable to charge it. I'm more interested in the other 350 days where I could casually just set the phone down on the dresser every night without trying to find a plug that, inevitably, has fallen down behind the dresser.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Gazelle is going to buy my iphone4 for about $175.That just about covers the cost of the upgrade if I stick with 16GB. Pretty sweet. I'm stoked.

Gazelle the best or easiest means out there? I have 16gb iphone4 as well. Almost new because I got it as a replacement in May.My iPhone 4 is pretty much full now though, so I was debating on the 32gb. Leary on spending though right now.

 

[One]

Analyst says iPhone 5 processor is dual-core Cortex-A15

Peter Clarke

9/13/2012 4:54 AM EDT

LONDON – The A6 processor inside Apple's iPhone 5 mobile phone is a dual-core Cortex-A15 manufactured for Apple by Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. in its 32-nm HKMG manufacturing process, according to analysts at Nomura Equity Research.

This would mean Apple is one of the first companies to introduce a Cortex-A15-based processor. Cortex-A15 is the highest performance processor core from intellectual property licensor ARM Holdings plc (Cambridge, England).

Samsung said it had started sampling the industry's first dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 processor late in 2011, the Exynos 5250, made with its 32-nm HKMG process and intended for volume shipment in summer 2012. The Exynos 5250 includes Mali graphics, and is intended for use in high-end tablet computers. Its 2-GHz clock frequency is claimed to double the performance of the previous 1.5-GHz dual-core Cortex-A9 based Exynos.

Apple provided few details when it launched the iPhone 5 on Wednesday (Sept. 12) about the smartphone's application processor and graphics capability. The company did say the A6 processor provided twice the CPU performance and twice the graphics performance of the A5x used in the iPhone 4S.

Nomura provided no source for its report nor a clock frequency for the processor. Typically, mobile phone application processors run with clock signals of up to 1.5 GHz. However, designing in the Cortex-A15 could help explain how Apple has achieved performance equivalentto the iPhone 4S

Apple is expected to retain graphics IP licensor Imagination Technologies Group for the graphics rendering portion of the chip. The Apple A5 processor is reported to use the dual-core PowerVR SGX543MP2, so the A6 could use the quad-core version, the PowerVR SGX543MP4.

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (Hsinchu, Taiwan) was reportedly working on a version of the A6 processor for Apple in 2011. It was rumored then to be a quad-core design for implementation in 28-nm manufacturing process and was expected to debut in the third-generation iPad.

If Samsung is the sole supplier of the A6 processor – as indicated by Nomura analysts – this squares with recent predictions that TSMC is working on pulling in its 20-nm process and working to supply Apple in the second-half of 2013 using that process.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

Instructions at jailbreaknation.com. And it's not a jailbreak. 6.0 is out in GM for developers but if you can download the file you can install it.ETA direct link

Thank you sir... working on it down. The website is slowwwwww as hell this morning.

 

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Don't get me wrong, on the 15 days a year I travel I'll still bring a cable to charge it. I'm more interested in the other 350 days where I could casually just set the phone down on the dresser every night without trying to find a plug that, inevitably, has fallen down behind the dresser.

It wouldnt be bad. A dock is hand. Simply set the phone into the dock. They even make alarm clocks that do it. Perhaps not quite as simple as just laying it down on it's pad... but I think we're really nitpicking convenience at that point Regarding the cord falling behind the nightstand, I hear ya. I have mine running under my alarm clock so it just leaves about 18" out there. Very predictable as to grabbing it. Can do it in the dark. Mine requires microUSB cable since I keep a phonesuit on my phone at all times due to being a poweruser (event the robust 4s battery would barely last me till lunch.

 

[culdeus]

1) So exactly how much space does it take up and weight does it add? My guess is not enough to make a huge diffence at this point. I would much rather have the ability than not.

2) My point was it is not more complicated. I travel a lot and have a dedicated charger in both of my offices and my bedroom. I also carry a normal cable in my laptop bag. The point being I'd prefer to just drop my phone on a charging pad. Schiller is the one make the comment one is harder than the other.

Take a look here.Inductive charging includes adding a small coil just inside the back of the phone's case. It's not extremely thick but it's likely to add a good 10-15% to the thickness of the i5 or S3. In addition I'm unaware of it's compatibility with the aluminum backplates used in iPhones.

Inductive charging isstill in it's infancy and is not without issues. Heat due to inefficiency is one starting point. You think people whined about their iPad's getting hot...wait till their phones get that temp. Also it's wasteful (80-85% efficient at best right now)... not something a "Green" company like Apple wants to align themselves with just yet.

And finally... I can all but guarantee you that Apple won't get involved until the phone can "pair" with the charging mat to sync wirelessly as well. No sense in just charging your phone if you're not syncing your data as well.

Regards to the mat... it's up to you... I guess you can carry a small charger the size of a small pair of in-ear headphones.... or carry that same item but connected to a mousepad-esque type sheet for you to set your phone on. Me.. I'd rather just take the extra 0.5 seconds to slip a plug into the phone ... particularly given the other issues with the tech right now.

In a year or two I'm SURE they will have efficiency up.... the charging stations will be smaller, and will also sync the phones... and I'm sure costs will come down and the in-phone electronics will be smaller as well. THEN you'll see Apple getting in bed with the tech. No sense in doing so beforehand though if it's not really 100% ready.

IMO nitpicking over an immature tech that pretty much no phone has right now is a bit silly. But that's just my take.

There is a ton wrong in this. In fact, I'm having trouble finding much that is correct here.For one, the efficency angle is pointless. Even an ipad consumes about 300kwh a year. Bumping that up 20% is silly, and the heat of the wireless chargers is less than the wall plug by a large margin. Really. Just because the phone warms up a bit more doesn't mean you can discount the huge blowtorch on your wall plugged in. Come on.

Wifi-sync of data was an IOS5 option and a IOS3+ jailbreak, if you need help finding out how to sync data over the air try google. NFC would have been a better choice, but again this mature tech was left out in favor of the legacy wifi sync.

As to Al backplates. Al isn't ferrous, hth.

This was a big omission in the drive to get this thinner. The tech is ready.

 

[Foosball God]

NextWorth is saying they'll give me $250 for my 32GB iphone 4. Gazelle was $153

 

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There is a ton wrong in this. In fact, I'm having trouble finding much that is correct here.For one, the efficency angle is pointless. Even an ipad consumes about 300kwh a year. Bumping that up 20% is silly, and the heat of the wireless chargers is less than the wall plug by a large margin. Really. Just because the phone warms up a bit more doesn't mean you can discount the huge blowtorch on your wall plugged in. Come on.Wifi-sync of data was an IOS5 option and a IOS3+ jailbreak, if you need help finding out how to sync data over the air try google. NFC would have been a better choice, but again this mature tech was left out in favor of the legacy wifi sync.As to Al backplates. Al isn't ferrous, hth. This was a big omission in the drive to get this thinner. The tech is ready.

1) HEat is still an issue after that stink that was raised over the iPad back.2) You can argue about the impact of the efficiency not being an issue to you, but that doesn't dispute the actual efficiency numbers I posted. 3) There are still things you need to physically connect the iPhone for. Sure the iCloud sync of all photos/contacts/calendar/etc is sweet, but i'd like to add full cableless functionality. JMHO. 4) I said I was unaware of if the alumnimum was an issue. Good to hear it isn't. Again.. it's a preference thing. Sure induction charge would have been neat but IMO it's not that big an omission. YMMV.

 

[goonsquad]

1) So exactly how much space does it take up and weight does it add? My guess is not enough to make a huge diffence at this point. I would much rather have the ability than not.

2) My point was it is not more complicated. I travel a lot and have a dedicated charger in both of my offices and my bedroom. I also carry a normal cable in my laptop bag. The point being I'd prefer to just drop my phone on a charging pad. Schiller is the one make the comment one is harder than the other.

Take a look here.Inductive charging includes adding a small coil just inside the back of the phone's case. It's not extremely thick but it's likely to add a good 10-15% to the thickness of the i5 or S3. In addition I'm unaware of it's compatibility with the aluminum backplates used in iPhones.

Inductive charging isstill in it's infancy and is not without issues. Heat due to inefficiency is one starting point. You think people whined about their iPad's getting hot...wait till their phones get that temp. Also it's wasteful (80-85% efficient at best right now)... not something a "Green" company like Apple wants to align themselves with just yet.

And finally... I can all but guarantee you that Apple won't get involved until the phone can "pair" with the charging mat to sync wirelessly as well. No sense in just charging your phone if you're not syncing your data as well.

Regards to the mat... it's up to you... I guess you can carry a small charger the size of a small pair of in-ear headphones.... or carry that same item but connected to a mousepad-esque type sheet for you to set your phone on. Me.. I'd rather just take the extra 0.5 seconds to slip a plug into the phone ... particularly given the other issues with the tech right now.

In a year or two I'm SURE they will have efficiency up.... the charging stations will be smaller, and will also sync the phones... and I'm sure costs will come down and the in-phone electronics will be smaller as well. THEN you'll see Apple getting in bed with the tech. No sense in doing so beforehand though if it's not really 100% ready.

IMO nitpicking over an immature tech that pretty much no phone has right now is a bit silly. But that's just my take.

There is a ton wrong in this. In fact, I'm having trouble finding much that is correct here.For one, the efficency angle is pointless. Even an ipad consumes about 300kwh a year. Bumping that up 20% is silly, and the heat of the wireless chargers is less than the wall plug by a large margin. Really. Just because the phone warms up a bit more doesn't mean you can discount the huge blowtorch on your wall plugged in. Come on.

Wifi-sync of data was an IOS5 option and a IOS3+ jailbreak, if you need help finding out how to sync data over the air try google. NFC would have been a better choice, but again this mature tech was left out in favor of the legacy wifi sync.

As to Al backplates. Al isn't ferrous, hth.

This was a big omission in the drive to get this thinner. The tech is ready.

Which current phones have built-in wireless charging?

 

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Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

Instructions at jailbreaknation.com. And it's not a jailbreak. 6.0 is out in GM for developers but if you can download the file you can install it.ETA direct link

Thank you sir... working on it down. The website is slowwwwww as hell this morning.

Holy #### Apple Maps app is SWEET! The 3D satellite mode has full tilt/pan/rotate and unlike google maps (which seems to just have a faked 3D effect by raising up the overhead view a bit)... this seems to be fully immersive. Damn I've been playing with it for like 10 mins and am pretty damn impressed by the resolution and how fluid it is.

 

[CrossEyed]

Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

Instructions at jailbreaknation.com. And it's not a jailbreak. 6.0 is out in GM for developers but if you can download the file you can install it.ETA direct link

Thank you sir... working on it down. The website is slowwwwww as hell this morning.

Yeah, it was really slow late last night too. Probably worse now.

 

[Billy Bats]

Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

Instructions at jailbreaknation.com. And it's not a jailbreak. 6.0 is out in GM for developers but if you can download the file you can install it.ETA direct link

Thank you sir... working on it down. The website is slowwwwww as hell this morning.

Yeah, it was really slow late last night too. Probably worse now.

Website not even loading now. So is there anything that's bad about downloading and installing it?

 

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Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

Instructions at jailbreaknation.com. And it's not a jailbreak. 6.0 is out in GM for developers but if you can download the file you can install it.ETA direct link

Thank you sir... working on it down. The website is slowwwwww as hell this morning.

Yeah, it was really slow late last night too. Probably worse now.

Website not even loading now. So is there anything that's bad about downloading and installing it?

No this is the final build that will be released in a week or so. I did "Lose" all my photos for about 5 mins but it repopulated it via iCloud automatically.

 

[Billy Bats]

Just finished installing iOS 6.

How?

Instructions at jailbreaknation.com. And it's not a jailbreak. 6.0 is out in GM for developers but if you can download the file you can install it.ETA direct link

Thank you sir... working on it down. The website is slowwwwww as hell this morning.

Yeah, it was really slow late last night too. Probably worse now.

Website not even loading now. So is there anything that's bad about downloading and installing it?

No this is the final build that will be released in a week or so. I did "Lose" all my photos for about 5 mins but it repopulated it via iCloud automatically.

Cool, so everything stays the same, you didn't lose apps or anything? Sorry for the stupid questions, just wanted to make sure it doesn't go back to factory settings while trying to install it. (I backed up and synched) Thanks.eta: the saved ios6 file on my desktop says "restore"

 

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eta: the saved ios6 file on my desktop says "restore"

Just follow the directions on the video

 

[Sinn Fein]

Updated my ipad - siri upgrade is nice on ipad, also like syncing the open tabs from my macbook in safari

Waiting on iphone upgrade to install- it is taking longer to download

 

[Sinn Fein]

Updated my ipad - siri upgrade is nice on ipad, also like syncing the open tabs from my macbook in safariWaiting on iphone upgrade to install- it is taking longer to download

maps rendered a little slower than I would have expected, given that I am on wifi

 

[Billy Bats]

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eta: the saved ios6 file on my desktop says "restore"

Just follow the directions on the video

I am. Question though, just tried installing the GSM file for my iphone 4 on AT&T. An error window popped up saying... "The iPhone xxxxIphone could not be updated because the firmware file is not compatable".eta: nevermind, wasn't updated to itunes 10.7.

 

[The Noid]

Interesting. As an AT&T Unlimited customer, that would have been a deal-breaker for me. I would have just stuck with my iPhone 4.

AT&T announced earlier this afternoon that it would allow customers on a grandfathered unlimited data plan to keep their plan even when paying a subsidized price for the iPhone 5. The nation’s largest carrier looks to take things a different way, however. A Verizon representative confirmed with 9to5mac this evening that customers will only be able to keep their unlimited data plan if they pay full price for the iPhone 5 ($649 for 16GB). Furthermore, existing Verizon customers can keep their old Nationwide Usage Based plan. They will not be forced to switch to one of Verizon’s new Share Everything Plans when buying the iPhone 5 on a two-year contract.

 

[Sinn Fein]

oof. I just asked siri for the line on the Bears Packers game.

She came up with the right concept: "No one is willing to give me a prediction."

But, then she added: "The Packers have the better record, though."

 

[culdeus]

There is a ton wrong in this. In fact, I'm having trouble finding much that is correct here.For one, the efficency angle is pointless. Even an ipad consumes about 300kwh a year. Bumping that up 20% is silly, and the heat of the wireless chargers is less than the wall plug by a large margin. Really. Just because the phone warms up a bit more doesn't mean you can discount the huge blowtorch on your wall plugged in. Come on.Wifi-sync of data was an IOS5 option and a IOS3+ jailbreak, if you need help finding out how to sync data over the air try google. NFC would have been a better choice, but again this mature tech was left out in favor of the legacy wifi sync.As to Al backplates. Al isn't ferrous, hth. This was a big omission in the drive to get this thinner. The tech is ready.

1) HEat is still an issue after that stink that was raised over the iPad back.2) You can argue about the impact of the efficiency not being an issue to you, but that doesn't dispute the actual efficiency numbers I posted. 3) There are still things you need to physically connect the iPhone for. Sure the iCloud sync of all photos/contacts/calendar/etc is sweet, but i'd like to add full cableless functionality. JMHO. 4) I said I was unaware of if the alumnimum was an issue. Good to hear it isn't. Again.. it's a preference thing. Sure induction charge would have been neat but IMO it's not that big an omission. YMMV.

1) What heat are you talking about exactly? I thought you were talking about ambient heat placed in the room during the charge process.2) What if I told you you could dial in Idrive from wireless charging to get the exact load current you need for the battery's SOC at the time, but yet the industry reports this as "inefficient"? Your wired wall charger is 1 speed, on with smart gauging protocols this inefficiency that you may or may not be referring to is ideal. Long term this will lead to better battery health and less people dumping cells in landfills. Nothing exists in a vacuum. 3) NFC would have solved this, and better. It's not the biggest omission ever, but still stands out especially in light of the adapter change.

 

[Ned]

Interesting. As an AT&T Unlimited customer, that would have been a deal-breaker for me. I would have just stuck with my iPhone 4.

AT&T announced earlier this afternoon that it would allow customers on a grandfathered unlimited data plan to keep their plan even when paying a subsidized price for the iPhone 5. The nation’s largest carrier looks to take things a different way, however. A Verizon representative confirmed with 9to5mac this evening that customers will only be able to keep their unlimited data plan if they pay full price for the iPhone 5 ($649 for 16GB). Furthermore, existing Verizon customers can keep their old Nationwide Usage Based plan. They will not be forced to switch to one of Verizon’s new Share Everything Plans when buying the iPhone 5 on a two-year contract.

ouch

 

[Billy Bats]

Interesting. As an AT&T Unlimited customer, that would have been a deal-breaker for me. I would have just stuck with my iPhone 4.

AT&T announced earlier this afternoon that it would allow customers on a grandfathered unlimited data plan to keep their plan even when paying a subsidized price for the iPhone 5. The nation's largest carrier looks to take things a different way, however. A Verizon representative confirmed with 9to5mac this evening that customers will only be able to keep their unlimited data plan if they pay full price for the iPhone 5 ($649 for 16GB). Furthermore, existing Verizon customers can keep their old Nationwide Usage Based plan. They will not be forced to switch to one of Verizon's new Share Everything Plans when buying the iPhone 5 on a two-year contract.

ouch

One of the main reasons why I left Verizon. As soon as you open the store door, they have you paying money. Doesn't matter how long you've been with them. I was a customer for 15 years and they gave me all kinds of billing problems. Screw them.