The Apple iPhone Thread (1 Viewer)

[goonsquad]

Email data compromised

A smear piece from Gawker Media, the owners of Gizmodo and subject of a criminal inquiry from Apple. Surprise.

The article is titled "Apple's Worst Security Breach" yet they state in the article "The slip up appears to be AT&T's fault at the moment, and it will complicate the company's already fraught relationship with Apple."

 

[Walton Goggins]

Email data compromised

A smear piece from Gawker Media, the owners of Gizmodo and subject of a criminal inquiry from Apple. Surprise.

The article is titled "Apple's Worst Security Breach" yet they state in the article "The slip up appears to be AT&T's fault at the moment, and it will complicate the company's already fraught relationship with Apple."

1. Love when Goon gives himself a 2. Always blame ATT when anything negative happens to Apple

Keep up the good work!

 

[Walton Goggins]

Again, if I do business with people who suck at what they do I can't pass the buck off. I chose this person to work with me, a working marriage, so if a customer gets upset with my product I can't come off like a dbag and blame "the other guy".

 

[One]

I can't come off like a dbag

Impossible.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I can't come off like a dbag

Impossible.

Right back at ya chief

 

[California]

Gawker/Gizmodo is king of misleading headlines (which is why I prefer Engadget). This is squarely ATT's fault but of course it looks bad for Apple.

The type of privacy leak is being overblown by Gawker to get page views, but it is a privacy leak. It looks like actual emails/passwords weren't leaked, but if my email address could be leaked out, especially if I worked for the gov't or military, by basically someone entering the serial # to my phone, I'd be pretty pissed.

 

[The Commish]

Email data compromised

Great, now how is this Apple's fault?

To be frank...there is security at every stage of the technology "circle of life" if you will. That the AT&T segment was breached doesn't mean that the iPad layer couldn't have stopped it. This will end up a finger pointing game by Apple/AT&T, no question, but they are ultimately responsible for the security of their product. It is very easy to keep this kind of info safe from hackers...don't even have to go the cert route if you don't want to.

 

[goonsquad]

Email data compromised

A smear piece from Gawker Media, the owners of Gizmodo and subject of a criminal inquiry from Apple. Surprise.

The article is titled "Apple's Worst Security Breach" yet they state in the article "The slip up appears to be AT&T's fault at the moment, and it will complicate the company's already fraught relationship with Apple."

1. Love when Goon gives himself a 2. Always blame ATT when anything negative happens to Apple

Keep up the good work!

 

[Card Trader]

Email data compromised

Great, now how is this Apple's fault?

To be frank...there is security at every stage of the technology "circle of life" if you will. That the AT&T segment was breached doesn't mean that the iPad layer couldn't have stopped it. This will end up a finger pointing game by Apple/AT&T, no question, but they are ultimately responsible for the security of their product. It is very easy to keep this kind of info safe from hackers...don't even have to go the cert route if you don't want to.

I don't know enough about this specific security flaw but it would seem that Apple could have provided an encryption layer when ICC-ID is passed, this is the flaw. So while the flaw is technically with how ATT receives it on it's servers, it should have been encrypted while being sent...EDIT: From what I've gathered reading the article. I may be way off on this though...

 

[One]

I can't come off like a dbag

Impossible.

Right back at ya chief

 

[[icon]]

In other News... My car was broken into last week so I'm going to call up Garmin and yell at them for my GPS getting stolen.

 

[Billy Bats]

For those wondering about the data plan changes, this article should answer all questions. All of us that currently has the $30 unlimited data package will be able to keep it regardless of any upgrades.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20006997...tag=mncol;posts

 

[The Commish]

Email data compromised

Great, now how is this Apple's fault?

To be frank...there is security at every stage of the technology "circle of life" if you will. That the AT&T segment was breached doesn't mean that the iPad layer couldn't have stopped it. This will end up a finger pointing game by Apple/AT&T, no question, but they are ultimately responsible for the security of their product. It is very easy to keep this kind of info safe from hackers...don't even have to go the cert route if you don't want to.

I don't know enough about this specific security flaw but it would seem that Apple could have provided an encryption layer when ICC-ID is passed, this is the flaw. So while the flaw is technically with how ATT receives it on it's servers, it should have been encrypted while being sent...EDIT: From what I've gathered reading the article. I may be way off on this though...

Yeah, until we know exactly what it was, it's anybody's guess. It seems, on the surface, that this type of thing should have been accounted for when Apple forced them to redo their network for the iPhone, but like you say, we could be way off without the specifics. I just know that one of the first things we ever discuss when we are deploying a new app/system is how they will communicate and how to keep that communication secure if there is sensitive data going across it.

 

[The Commish]

For those wondering about the data plan changes, this article should answer all questions. All of us that currently has the $30 unlimited data package will be able to keep it regardless of any upgrades.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20006997...tag=mncol;posts

forever? I didn't see that answered specifically....just wondering

 

[Card Trader]

Samsung is saying that the iPhone display isn't as good as AMOLED

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/samsung...-its-no-amoled/

 

[gmbacm]

For those wondering about the data plan changes, this article should answer all questions. All of us that currently has the $30 unlimited data package will be able to keep it regardless of any upgrades.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20006997...tag=mncol;posts

forever? I didn't see that answered specifically....just wondering

yes - forever. Until At&t decides its not a good alternative for them.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Samsung is saying that the iPhone display isn't as good as AMOLED

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/samsung...-its-no-amoled/

(AM)OLED is the future, kinda surprised Apple did not go with it

 

[One]

more splitting of hair...

iPhone 4's retina display claim put under the math microscope

Samsung might have entertained us with some trash talk about the iPhone 4's IPS LCD yesterday, but this stuff is of a rather more somber variety. Raymond Soneira, president of monitor diagnostics firm DisplayMate, has said that Apple's retina display marketing is inaccurate, because he believes a display that truly makes pixels indistinguishable to the human eye would require a density in the vicinity of 477dpi. The iPhone 4 has 326dpi, and by now you might be surmising that Steve Jobs flat out lied when he said that the iPhone 4's pixels are too small for the human retina to discern from 12 inches away.

But not so fast, says Phil Plait from Discover, whose résumé includes calibrating a camera on board the Hubble space telescope. He's done the math too and finds that the 477 number applies only to people with perfect vision. For the vast majority of us, Steve's claim stands up to scrutiny; even folks with 20/20 eyesight wouldn't be able to tell where one pixel ends and another begins. So it turns out Apple can do its math, even if its marketing isn't true for every single humanoid on the planet.

Engadget:

 

[The Commish]

For those wondering about the data plan changes, this article should answer all questions. All of us that currently has the $30 unlimited data package will be able to keep it regardless of any upgrades.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20006997...tag=mncol;posts

forever? I didn't see that answered specifically....just wondering

yes - forever. Until At&t decides its not a good alternative for them.

Then that's not forever That it's this difficult to get an answer on, kinda tells me all I need to know really.

 

[Balance]

For those wondering about the data plan changes, this article should answer all questions. All of us that currently has the $30 unlimited data package will be able to keep it regardless of any upgrades.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20006997...tag=mncol;posts

forever? I didn't see that answered specifically....just wondering

yes - forever. Until At&t decides its not a good alternative for them.

Then that's not forever That it's this difficult to get an answer on, kinda tells me all I need to know really.

You probably didn't need someone to tell you pricing structures for a cell phone company wouldn't last forever. It appears this data plan applies to the the new iPhone, which won't be around forever either.

 

[goonsquad]

Email data compromised

Great, now how is this Apple's fault?

To be frank...there is security at every stage of the technology "circle of life" if you will. That the AT&T segment was breached doesn't mean that the iPad layer couldn't have stopped it. This will end up a finger pointing game by Apple/AT&T, no question, but they are ultimately responsible for the security of their product. It is very easy to keep this kind of info safe from hackers...don't even have to go the cert route if you don't want to.

I don't know enough about this specific security flaw but it would seem that Apple could have provided an encryption layer when ICC-ID is passed, this is the flaw. So while the flaw is technically with how ATT receives it on it's servers, it should have been encrypted while being sent...EDIT: From what I've gathered reading the article. I may be way off on this though...

Yeah, until we know exactly what it was, it's anybody's guess. It seems, on the surface, that this type of thing should have been accounted for when Apple forced them to redo their network for the iPhone, but like you say, we could be way off without the specifics. I just know that one of the first things we ever discuss when we are deploying a new app/system is how they will communicate and how to keep that communication secure if there is sensitive data going across it.

Looks like this was a hole in ATT's public website that allowed the hackers to harvest iPad registration information (email addresses). Link

 

[The Commish]

Looks like this was a hole in ATT's public website that allowed the hackers to harvest iPad registration information (email addresses). Link

Right...what isn't clear is if the hackers got into ATT via the page and then into dbs to look up the info. If so, that's all ATT. The other scenario is more popular for hackers where they get into the site and sit and listen for information going back and forth. If that's the case, shame on ATT for not preventing it and shame on Apple for not encrypting such sensitive information going across the internet.

 

[Card Trader]

Looks like this was a hole in ATT's public website that allowed the hackers to harvest iPad registration information (email addresses). Link

Right...what isn't clear is if the hackers got into ATT via the page and then into dbs to look up the info. If so, that's all ATT. The other scenario is more popular for hackers where they get into the site and sit and listen for information going back and forth. If that's the case, shame on ATT for not preventing it and shame on Apple for not encrypting such sensitive information going across the internet.

Disagree, Apple should have realized this as a security flaw and encrypted the ICCID when passing it over ATT's network. Both parties dropped the ball.

 

[The Commish]

Looks like this was a hole in ATT's public website that allowed the hackers to harvest iPad registration information (email addresses). Link

Right...what isn't clear is if the hackers got into ATT via the page and then into dbs to look up the info. If so, that's all ATT. The other scenario is more popular for hackers where they get into the site and sit and listen for information going back and forth. If that's the case, shame on ATT for not preventing it and shame on Apple for not encrypting such sensitive information going across the internet.

Disagree, Apple should have realized this as a security flaw and encrypted the ICCID when passing it over ATT's network. Both parties dropped the ball.

They can't do that unless AT&T was equipped to decrypt (which goes back to me suggesting something should have been done in the rebuilding of the network comment earlier). Regardless, is that communication how they got the info or did hackers simply find a hole through ATT's page that got them into a db somewhere and they pulled the data from there? Unclear to me.

 

[Card Trader]

Looks like this was a hole in ATT's public website that allowed the hackers to harvest iPad registration information (email addresses). Link

Right...what isn't clear is if the hackers got into ATT via the page and then into dbs to look up the info. If so, that's all ATT. The other scenario is more popular for hackers where they get into the site and sit and listen for information going back and forth. If that's the case, shame on ATT for not preventing it and shame on Apple for not encrypting such sensitive information going across the internet.

Disagree, Apple should have realized this as a security flaw and encrypted the ICCID when passing it over ATT's network. Both parties dropped the ball.

They can't do that unless AT&T was equipped to decrypt (which goes back to me suggesting something should have been done in the rebuilding of the network comment earlier). Regardless, is that communication how they got the info or did hackers simply find a hole through ATT's page that got them into a db somewhere and they pulled the data from there? Unclear to me.

I understand ATT needs to be equiped to decrypt, but it would seem like a simple demand from Apple and not a lot of work to do. It should have been brought up. As for the second part, I'm unsure, it sounded like this was done with http requests with the ICCID appended so it wouldn't be direct db access.

 

[badger]

Sorry if I'm posting in the AT&T sucks thread or the Ipad thread, but I have an iphone question.

I'm looking at moving to the iphone4 on or around June 24. Curious as to what people have found to maximize their resale or trade-in value on their current iphone? Mine is the 3G.

Trade-in value from Best Buy is $87 <--I wonder how many times this estimate is lowered once they receive the product

Cellforcash.com (skeptical) is $108 <--some bad reviews

Any others that people use/trust?

TIA

EDIT: electronicsforcash.com is $123

 

[goonsquad]

Looks like this was a hole in ATT's public website that allowed the hackers to harvest iPad registration information (email addresses). Link

Right...what isn't clear is if the hackers got into ATT via the page and then into dbs to look up the info. If so, that's all ATT. The other scenario is more popular for hackers where they get into the site and sit and listen for information going back and forth. If that's the case, shame on ATT for not preventing it and shame on Apple for not encrypting such sensitive information going across the internet.

Disagree, Apple should have realized this as a security flaw and encrypted the ICCID when passing it over ATT's network. Both parties dropped the ball.

They can't do that unless AT&T was equipped to decrypt (which goes back to me suggesting something should have been done in the rebuilding of the network comment earlier). Regardless, is that communication how they got the info or did hackers simply find a hole through ATT's page that got them into a db somewhere and they pulled the data from there? Unclear to me.

The infographic in the link says that the hackers simply created a program to input random product ID numbers on ATT's site. When a registered number was input the site returned the email address that registered the product number.

 

[Billy Bats]

Sorry if I'm posting in the AT&T sucks thread or the Ipad thread, but I have an iphone question.

I'm looking at moving to the iphone4 on or around June 24. Curious as to what people have found to maximize their resale or trade-in value on their current iphone? Mine is the 3G.

Trade-in value from Best Buy is $87 <--I wonder how many times this estimate is lowered once they receive the product

Cellforcash.com (skeptical) is $108 <--some bad reviews

Any others that people use/trust?

TIA

EDIT: electronicsforcash.com is $123

Just had a friend sell her 3g for $200 on Ebay yesterday. No kidding, she put up a 7 day auction with a buy it now price of $200 and sold it the first day.

 

[HellToupee]

Sorry if I'm posting in the AT&T sucks thread or the Ipad thread, but I have an iphone question.

I'm looking at moving to the iphone4 on or around June 24. Curious as to what people have found to maximize their resale or trade-in value on their current iphone? Mine is the 3G.

Trade-in value from Best Buy is $87 <--I wonder how many times this estimate is lowered once they receive the product

Cellforcash.com (skeptical) is $108 <--some bad reviews

Any others that people use/trust?

TIA

EDIT: electronicsforcash.com is $123

Gazelle is offering $126

 

[adubbb23]

Sorry if I'm posting in the AT&T sucks thread or the Ipad thread, but I have an iphone question.

I'm looking at moving to the iphone4 on or around June 24. Curious as to what people have found to maximize their resale or trade-in value on their current iphone? Mine is the 3G.

Trade-in value from Best Buy is $87 <--I wonder how many times this estimate is lowered once they receive the product

Cellforcash.com (skeptical) is $108 <--some bad reviews

Any others that people use/trust?

TIA

EDIT: electronicsforcash.com is $123

Just had a friend sell her 3g for $200 on Ebay yesterday. No kidding, she put up a 7 day auction with a buy it now price of $200 and sold it the first day.

when is att starting pre-order, anyone know?

 

[One]

iPhone 4 is gonna sell at Wal Mart, Best Buy and Radio Shack on top of AT&T and the Apple Store.

Lines may not be so bad this year.

 

[Incogneto]

iPhone 4 is gonna sell at Wal Mart, Best Buy and Radio Shack on top of AT&T and the Apple Store. Lines may not be so bad this year.

each store will have, what, 1 unit to sell?

 

[Billy Bats]

Sorry if I'm posting in the AT&T sucks thread or the Ipad thread, but I have an iphone question.

I'm looking at moving to the iphone4 on or around June 24. Curious as to what people have found to maximize their resale or trade-in value on their current iphone? Mine is the 3G.

Trade-in value from Best Buy is $87 <--I wonder how many times this estimate is lowered once they receive the product

Cellforcash.com (skeptical) is $108 <--some bad reviews

Any others that people use/trust?

TIA

EDIT: electronicsforcash.com is $123

Just had a friend sell her 3g for $200 on Ebay yesterday. No kidding, she put up a 7 day auction with a buy it now price of $200 and sold it the first day.

when is att starting pre-order, anyone know?

June 15th.

 

[One]

iPhone 4 is gonna sell at Wal Mart, Best Buy and Radio Shack on top of AT&T and the Apple Store. Lines may not be so bad this year.

each store will have, what, 1 unit to sell?

Okay.

 

[Billy Bats]

iPhone 4 is gonna sell at Wal Mart, Best Buy and Radio Shack on top of AT&T and the Apple Store. Lines may not be so bad this year.

each store will have, what, 1 unit to sell?

I'm just going to pre-order it to my work address, why bother standing in line?

 

[Walton Goggins]

Buy at Wal Mart - can't beat their return policy

 

[California]

Sorry if I'm posting in the AT&T sucks thread or the Ipad thread, but I have an iphone question.I'm looking at moving to the iphone4 on or around June 24. Curious as to what people have found to maximize their resale or trade-in value on their current iphone? Mine is the 3G.Trade-in value from Best Buy is $87 <--I wonder how many times this estimate is lowered once they receive the productCellforcash.com (skeptical) is $108 <--some bad reviewsAny others that people use/trust?TIAEDIT: electronicsforcash.com is $123

You're not going to get max value on trade ins.Sell it on ebay and craigslist. My brother sold his mint condition 8gb 3gs 2 weeks ago for $330. I'm sure it will be less now (smart move would have been to sell it a couple weeks before June 7).There is still a market and demand for iphones not locked into contracts.

 

[One]

Used iPhones on eBay:

iPhone 32 GB 3Gs: around $350-$400

iPhone 16 GB 3Gs: around $300-$315

iPhone 16 GB 3G: around $150-$250 (+$100-$200 if unlocked)

iPhone 8 GB 3G: around $150-$250 (+$100-$200 if unlocked)

A friend just sold his wife's 32GB 3Gs for $400. I hope to do the same and buy the 32GB iP4 for $300 at launch.

 

[itriple]

Used iPhones on eBay:iPhone 32 GB 3Gs: around $350-$400iPhone 16 GB 3Gs: around $300-$315iPhone 16 GB 3G: around $150-$250 (+$100-$200 if unlocked)iPhone 8 GB 3G: around $150-$250 (+$100-$200 if unlocked)A friend just sold his wife's 32GB 3Gs for $400. I hope to do the same and buy the 32GB iP4 for $300 at launch.

I think Im gonna do the same. Seems weird someone woudl pay $400 for a 3gs? Why wouldnt they just upgrade?

 

[Colts Win]

Seen this article on yahoo.

So if you just bought and Evo or are getting the Iphone4g you can get good value at these sites.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_gadg/ytech_gadg_tc2535

 

[Billy Bats]

Used iPhones on eBay:iPhone 32 GB 3Gs: around $350-$400iPhone 16 GB 3Gs: around $300-$315iPhone 16 GB 3G: around $150-$250 (+$100-$200 if unlocked)iPhone 8 GB 3G: around $150-$250 (+$100-$200 if unlocked)A friend just sold his wife's 32GB 3Gs for $400. I hope to do the same and buy the 32GB iP4 for $300 at launch.

I think Im gonna do the same. Seems weird someone woudl pay $400 for a 3gs? Why wouldnt they just upgrade?

Already answered this above but they can't upgrade because they don't have a contract and by buying a used phone they don't have to sign a contract or spend 6-700 for a new phone.

 

[Britney Spears]

So if I upgrade to the new one, and give my wife the old one, can she use it without the AT&T data plan, etc.?

 

[Gordo]

iPhone 4 is gonna sell at Wal Mart, Best Buy and Radio Shack on top of AT&T and the Apple Store. Lines may not be so bad this year.

each store will have, what, 1 unit to sell?

Best Buy stores are supposed to have a minimum of 45. 30 of the 32 GB and 15 of 16 GB.

 

[California]

So if I upgrade to the new one, and give my wife the old one, can she use it without the AT&T data plan, etc.?

No, you need the data plan.

 

[goldenchild]

I am currently on an unlimited data family plan with my wife and BIL. I heard that they will be getting rid of the unlimited data plans soon, but those that are already on the unlimited will be able to stay on it as long as they leave their account as is...

Any truth to this?

 

[HellToupee]

I am currently on an unlimited data family plan with my wife and BIL. I heard that they will be getting rid of the unlimited data plans soon, but those that are already on the unlimited will be able to stay on it as long as they leave their account as is...Any truth to this?

Yes if you want to keep it you can

 

[Green94]

Has anyone hacked the new software on to their 3G?

I have it on mine and it is working great... I enabled Multitasking however and it's basically not functional. Do they have to update all of the applications in order for this to work? I was under the assumption that it was OS based and had nothing to do with the applications themselves.

 

[goldenchild]

I am currently on an unlimited data family plan with my wife and BIL. I heard that they will be getting rid of the unlimited data plans soon, but those that are already on the unlimited will be able to stay on it as long as they leave their account as is...Any truth to this?

Yes if you want to keep it you can

Thanks for confirming... I wonder what the new plans are going to look like. If they start charging per kB, that is going to get ugly.

 

[This_Guy]

I am currently on an unlimited data family plan with my wife and BIL. I heard that they will be getting rid of the unlimited data plans soon, but those that are already on the unlimited will be able to stay on it as long as they leave their account as is...Any truth to this?

Yes if you want to keep it you can

Thanks for confirming... I wonder what the new plans are going to look like. If they start charging per kB, that is going to get ugly.

$15 for 200 MB $15 for each 200MB block (as soon as you go over the limit you buy 200 MB for $15)$25 for 2 GB - $10 for each additional 1 GB (as soon as you go over you buy 1GB for $10)

 

[The Commish]

I am currently on an unlimited data family plan with my wife and BIL. I heard that they will be getting rid of the unlimited data plans soon, but those that are already on the unlimited will be able to stay on it as long as they leave their account as is...Any truth to this?

Yes if you want to keep it you can

for now