The Apple iPhone Thread (3 Viewers)

[One]

I like apple maps.

Got me where I needed to go several times this weekend.

+1. Haven't had a hiccup all weekend.

 

[The Commish]

Heard lots of complaints and lots of positives on the maps...came to the official place for news for the final verdict. Seems about the same here...lots of issues and lots of praise. Pretty sure the next "release" of the iPhone will be all about the new improved maps app...just a hunch.

 

[Otis]

My theory is that there is a real game-changer that Apple hid in iOS6 behind all the hooplah. All the focus and talk have been on the new hardware, maps, LTE, performance, etc. But the one that I think is most interesting from a future revenues perspective to Apple is Passbook. Setting aside the fact that there have been some glitches in its release (I still can't get mine to work for some reason), if it eventually does work as advertised, I'll use this thing all the time for business travel. Keep all my flight boarding passes etc. in one spot. I could see using it for movie tickets as well. And very quietly, Apple built in the rewards card functionality as well as targeted, location-aware advertising. Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront. I don't know what deal Apple cuts with these stores, but I have to imagine they are capturing some portion. Just like the big grab at media which nets Apple a ton of money, this is another big grab--an ongoing continuous revenue stream without needing to make and sell new hardware.

 

[Abraham]

My theory is that there is a real game-changer that Apple hid in iOS6 behind all the hooplah. All the focus and talk have been on the new hardware, maps, LTE, performance, etc. But the one that I think is most interesting from a future revenues perspective to Apple is Passbook. Setting aside the fact that there have been some glitches in its release (I still can't get mine to work for some reason), if it eventually does work as advertised, I'll use this thing all the time for business travel. Keep all my flight boarding passes etc. in one spot. I could see using it for movie tickets as well. And very quietly, Apple built in the rewards card functionality as well as targeted, location-aware advertising. Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront. I don't know what deal Apple cuts with these stores, but I have to imagine they are capturing some portion. Just like the big grab at media which nets Apple a ton of money, this is another big grab--an ongoing continuous revenue stream without needing to make and sell new hardware.

It has been widely discussed in the nerd community that the battle smartphone mindshare is RAPIDLY heading towards the Holy Grail: in-App payments. Apple took the first swing with Passbook. The eventual idea is that Passbook (and/or Google's response) will be aimed at cutting the CC companies out entirely and keeping the transaction fee for themselves. That eventually instead of having a Starbucks card and an American Airlines card, etc. in Passbook you will simply have one Passbook QR/barcode and it will link to all of your payments, rewards, etc. The next iPhone will have Map improvements. It will also have NFC and the big hoopla soon enough will be that you can walk in to over "x thousand locations worldwide...airports, malls, diners, etc." and never pull your wallet out of your pocket. You'll open Passbook, click a button, and that will be that.

 

[SkyRattlers]

My theory is that there is a real game-changer that Apple hid in iOS6 behind all the hooplah. All the focus and talk have been on the new hardware, maps, LTE, performance, etc. But the one that I think is most interesting from a future revenues perspective to Apple is Passbook. Setting aside the fact that there have been some glitches in its release (I still can't get mine to work for some reason), if it eventually does work as advertised, I'll use this thing all the time for business travel. Keep all my flight boarding passes etc. in one spot. I could see using it for movie tickets as well. And very quietly, Apple built in the rewards card functionality as well as targeted, location-aware advertising. Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront. I don't know what deal Apple cuts with these stores, but I have to imagine they are capturing some portion. Just like the big grab at media which nets Apple a ton of money, this is another big grab--an ongoing continuous revenue stream without needing to make and sell new hardware.

It has been widely discussed in the nerd community that the battle smartphone mindshare is RAPIDLY heading towards the Holy Grail: in-App payments. Apple took the first swing with Passbook. The eventual idea is that Passbook (and/or Google's response) will be aimed at cutting the CC companies out entirely and keeping the transaction fee for themselves. That eventually instead of having a Starbucks card and an American Airlines card, etc. in Passbook you will simply have one Passbook QR/barcode and it will link to all of your payments, rewards, etc. The next iPhone will have Map improvements. It will also have NFC and the big hoopla soon enough will be that you can walk in to over "x thousand locations worldwide...airports, malls, diners, etc." and never pull your wallet out of your pocket. You'll open Passbook, click a button, and that will be that.

Someone needs to explain to me why people are excited about having apps that will control your tickets and purchases? Isn't that just about the worst possible scenario when it comes to tracking you and surrendering all control to your privacy?

 

[Keerock]

My theory is that there is a real game-changer that Apple hid in iOS6 behind all the hooplah. All the focus and talk have been on the new hardware, maps, LTE, performance, etc. But the one that I think is most interesting from a future revenues perspective to Apple is Passbook. Setting aside the fact that there have been some glitches in its release (I still can't get mine to work for some reason), if it eventually does work as advertised, I'll use this thing all the time for business travel. Keep all my flight boarding passes etc. in one spot. I could see using it for movie tickets as well. And very quietly, Apple built in the rewards card functionality as well as targeted, location-aware advertising. Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront. I don't know what deal Apple cuts with these stores, but I have to imagine they are capturing some portion. Just like the big grab at media which nets Apple a ton of money, this is another big grab--an ongoing continuous revenue stream without needing to make and sell new hardware.

It has been widely discussed in the nerd community that the battle smartphone mindshare is RAPIDLY heading towards the Holy Grail: in-App payments. Apple took the first swing with Passbook. The eventual idea is that Passbook (and/or Google's response) will be aimed at cutting the CC companies out entirely and keeping the transaction fee for themselves. That eventually instead of having a Starbucks card and an American Airlines card, etc. in Passbook you will simply have one Passbook QR/barcode and it will link to all of your payments, rewards, etc. The next iPhone will have Map improvements. It will also have NFC and the big hoopla soon enough will be that you can walk in to over "x thousand locations worldwide...airports, malls, diners, etc." and never pull your wallet out of your pocket. You'll open Passbook, click a button, and that will be that.

Someone needs to explain to me why people are excited about having apps that will control your tickets and purchases? Isn't that just about the worst possible scenario when it comes to tracking you and surrendering all control to your privacy?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Maps Dev Team:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/Pk7nl.jpg

 

[SkyRattlers]

My theory is that there is a real game-changer that Apple hid in iOS6 behind all the hooplah. All the focus and talk have been on the new hardware, maps, LTE, performance, etc. But the one that I think is most interesting from a future revenues perspective to Apple is Passbook. Setting aside the fact that there have been some glitches in its release (I still can't get mine to work for some reason), if it eventually does work as advertised, I'll use this thing all the time for business travel. Keep all my flight boarding passes etc. in one spot. I could see using it for movie tickets as well. And very quietly, Apple built in the rewards card functionality as well as targeted, location-aware advertising. Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront. I don't know what deal Apple cuts with these stores, but I have to imagine they are capturing some portion. Just like the big grab at media which nets Apple a ton of money, this is another big grab--an ongoing continuous revenue stream without needing to make and sell new hardware.

It has been widely discussed in the nerd community that the battle smartphone mindshare is RAPIDLY heading towards the Holy Grail: in-App payments. Apple took the first swing with Passbook. The eventual idea is that Passbook (and/or Google's response) will be aimed at cutting the CC companies out entirely and keeping the transaction fee for themselves. That eventually instead of having a Starbucks card and an American Airlines card, etc. in Passbook you will simply have one Passbook QR/barcode and it will link to all of your payments, rewards, etc. The next iPhone will have Map improvements. It will also have NFC and the big hoopla soon enough will be that you can walk in to over "x thousand locations worldwide...airports, malls, diners, etc." and never pull your wallet out of your pocket. You'll open Passbook, click a button, and that will be that.

Someone needs to explain to me why people are excited about having apps that will control your tickets and purchases? Isn't that just about the worst possible scenario when it comes to tracking you and surrendering all control to your privacy?

Seriously though, what's the benefit? It takes less than 15 seconds to reach into your wallet, put your debit card into the chip slot, enter your PIN and return the card to your wallet. It won't be any faster having to reach for your phone, unlock it, launch the proper app, sign in, wave it in front of the sensor, and return the phone to your pocket. So with no time, or convenience savings what is my motivation for caring about NFC?

 

[Foosball God]

My theory is that there is a real game-changer that Apple hid in iOS6 behind all the hooplah. All the focus and talk have been on the new hardware, maps, LTE, performance, etc. But the one that I think is most interesting from a future revenues perspective to Apple is Passbook. Setting aside the fact that there have been some glitches in its release (I still can't get mine to work for some reason), if it eventually does work as advertised, I'll use this thing all the time for business travel. Keep all my flight boarding passes etc. in one spot. I could see using it for movie tickets as well. And very quietly, Apple built in the rewards card functionality as well as targeted, location-aware advertising. Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront. I don't know what deal Apple cuts with these stores, but I have to imagine they are capturing some portion. Just like the big grab at media which nets Apple a ton of money, this is another big grab--an ongoing continuous revenue stream without needing to make and sell new hardware.

It has been widely discussed in the nerd community that the battle smartphone mindshare is RAPIDLY heading towards the Holy Grail: in-App payments. Apple took the first swing with Passbook. The eventual idea is that Passbook (and/or Google's response) will be aimed at cutting the CC companies out entirely and keeping the transaction fee for themselves. That eventually instead of having a Starbucks card and an American Airlines card, etc. in Passbook you will simply have one Passbook QR/barcode and it will link to all of your payments, rewards, etc. The next iPhone will have Map improvements. It will also have NFC and the big hoopla soon enough will be that you can walk in to over "x thousand locations worldwide...airports, malls, diners, etc." and never pull your wallet out of your pocket. You'll open Passbook, click a button, and that will be that.

Someone needs to explain to me why people are excited about having apps that will control your tickets and purchases? Isn't that just about the worst possible scenario when it comes to tracking you and surrendering all control to your privacy?

Seriously though, what's the benefit? It takes less than 15 seconds to reach into your wallet, put your debit card into the chip slot, enter your PIN and return the card to your wallet. It won't be any faster having to reach for your phone, unlock it, launch the proper app, sign in, wave it in front of the sensor, and return the phone to your pocket. So with no time, or convenience savings what is my motivation for caring about NFC?

Not having to carry around all your stuff. You be able to get away with a slim money clip with just your license, insurance card, and some cash.

 

[The Commish]

My theory is that there is a real game-changer that Apple hid in iOS6 behind all the hooplah. All the focus and talk have been on the new hardware, maps, LTE, performance, etc. But the one that I think is most interesting from a future revenues perspective to Apple is Passbook. Setting aside the fact that there have been some glitches in its release (I still can't get mine to work for some reason), if it eventually does work as advertised, I'll use this thing all the time for business travel. Keep all my flight boarding passes etc. in one spot. I could see using it for movie tickets as well. And very quietly, Apple built in the rewards card functionality as well as targeted, location-aware advertising. Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront. I don't know what deal Apple cuts with these stores, but I have to imagine they are capturing some portion. Just like the big grab at media which nets Apple a ton of money, this is another big grab--an ongoing continuous revenue stream without needing to make and sell new hardware.

It has been widely discussed in the nerd community that the battle smartphone mindshare is RAPIDLY heading towards the Holy Grail: in-App payments. Apple took the first swing with Passbook. The eventual idea is that Passbook (and/or Google's response) will be aimed at cutting the CC companies out entirely and keeping the transaction fee for themselves. That eventually instead of having a Starbucks card and an American Airlines card, etc. in Passbook you will simply have one Passbook QR/barcode and it will link to all of your payments, rewards, etc. The next iPhone will have Map improvements. It will also have NFC and the big hoopla soon enough will be that you can walk in to over "x thousand locations worldwide...airports, malls, diners, etc." and never pull your wallet out of your pocket. You'll open Passbook, click a button, and that will be that.

Explain how this will cut out the credit card companies? Who's going to front the credit? I can see it cutting out the need for credit card companies to give people actual cards, but that's about it. What am I missing?

 

[the moops]

What's the benefit of using a debit card when I can just reach into my wallet and pull out cash? I mean it takes no time to egt the cash out and give it to the cashier. Far faster than having to find the correct card and swipe it and put in the PIN and show an ID.

 

[Goat Herders]

I think the supposed appeal is that it will eliminate all kinds of other paperwork too....boarding passes, gift cards, concert tickets, subway sandwich punch cards,, etc. you won't be tasked with keeping up with stuff.

 

[SkyRattlers]

What's the benefit of using a debit card when I can just reach into my wallet and pull out cash? I mean it takes no time to egt the cash out and give it to the cashier. Far faster than having to find the correct card and swipe it and put in the PIN and show an ID.

You mean besides the step that involves going to your bank or find an ATM to get the cash in the first place?

 

[Slapdash]

Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront.

This sounds like a pretty ####ty and annoying world.

 

[Slapdash]

I used maps today to find a place way out in the country and it worked very well. Haven't had an issue, yet, with it.

Also, I don't forget issues I had with google maps years ago. Went to a wedding out in the country and typed in a church name. An hour and a half later, after being taken to the middle of a small town with no one around, I showed up at the wedding late.

Didn't happen terribly often, but I always took 2 opinions on locations for things - google maps and TomTom. Most of the time, google maps was more accurate.

This is the point. Why start over and be years behind? Work out a freaking deal with Google to get the full Google Maps on iPhone as the default maps app. No reason to reinvent something that is not ripe for being disrupted.

I answered the question earlier of "why do this".Apple and Google are in direct competition in the mobile space. The data going through maps is VERY valuable. Apple should have switched years ago but were under contract. Contracts up, Apple is ready to get started, their map service has a ways to go to be as good as google maps, and they're willing to give it a shot. Why should apple continue to fund Google's company, where the funding and profits go towards development of a competing OS?

In other words, there is a VERY good reason for Apple to reinvent something even if it's not 100% ready. Again, sure there are some issues, but on the whole, I've had few problems and I'd bet most people have had good experiences with it too, with a few odd results or missing results in there.

A reasonable gripe would be that they should've been gathering better data for the past few years, but honestly I don't know how possible that is, considering they bought data from TomTom, and it's a big wide world. Over the next bits of time, the product will improve and the hypersensitive among us will stop complaining about this.

Putting profits over the user experience is always a winning move.

 

[Norman Einstein]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?

Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

 

[Foosball God]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

If you are willing to pay full price for your phone then you can keep your data plan. If you want the subsidized price then they will make you switch your plan.

 

[Statcruncher]

I used maps today to find a place way out in the country and it worked very well. Haven't had an issue, yet, with it.

Also, I don't forget issues I had with google maps years ago. Went to a wedding out in the country and typed in a church name. An hour and a half later, after being taken to the middle of a small town with no one around, I showed up at the wedding late.

Didn't happen terribly often, but I always took 2 opinions on locations for things - google maps and TomTom. Most of the time, google maps was more accurate.

This is the point. Why start over and be years behind? Work out a freaking deal with Google to get the full Google Maps on iPhone as the default maps app. No reason to reinvent something that is not ripe for being disrupted.

I answered the question earlier of "why do this".Apple and Google are in direct competition in the mobile space. The data going through maps is VERY valuable. Apple should have switched years ago but were under contract. Contracts up, Apple is ready to get started, their map service has a ways to go to be as good as google maps, and they're willing to give it a shot. Why should apple continue to fund Google's company, where the funding and profits go towards development of a competing OS?

In other words, there is a VERY good reason for Apple to reinvent something even if it's not 100% ready. Again, sure there are some issues, but on the whole, I've had few problems and I'd bet most people have had good experiences with it too, with a few odd results or missing results in there.

A reasonable gripe would be that they should've been gathering better data for the past few years, but honestly I don't know how possible that is, considering they bought data from TomTom, and it's a big wide world. Over the next bits of time, the product will improve and the hypersensitive among us will stop complaining about this.

You hate Google Maps because of an incident years ago when they were bringing new technology to market.Years later when Apple makes a flawed attempt to mimic what's already out there you downplay it.

You sound completely unbiased and rational.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

Verizon? I think you can pay the full unsubsidized price. ATT lets you keep your unlimited plan.

 

[John Bender]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

Verizon? I think you can pay the full unsubsidized price. ATT lets you keep your unlimited plan.

ATT lets you keep unlimited but governs it once you go over a certain amount which is annoying as well"Pay for unlimited""When you go over the 'unlimited' amount, we will slow it down to the equivalent of 1G service speeds"Such a scam

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

Verizon? I think you can pay the full unsubsidized price. ATT lets you keep your unlimited plan.

ATT lets you keep unlimited but governs it once you go over a certain amount which is annoying as well"Pay for unlimited""When you go over the 'unlimited' amount, we will slow it down to the equivalent of 1G service speeds"Such a scam

What's that amount?

 

[culdeus]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

Verizon? I think you can pay the full unsubsidized price. ATT lets you keep your unlimited plan.

ATT lets you keep unlimited but governs it once you go over a certain amount which is annoying as well"Pay for unlimited""When you go over the 'unlimited' amount, we will slow it down to the equivalent of 1G service speeds"Such a scam

What's that amount?

It varies. It seems to be a case to case basis.

 

[No. 16]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

Verizon? I think you can pay the full unsubsidized price. ATT lets you keep your unlimited plan.

ATT lets you keep unlimited but governs it once you go over a certain amount which is annoying as well"Pay for unlimited""When you go over the 'unlimited' amount, we will slow it down to the equivalent of 1G service speeds"Such a scam

What's that amount?

It varies. It seems to be a case to case basis.

Around 2 to 3 gb.

 

[[icon]]

Maps Dev Team:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/Pk7nl.jpg

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

Verizon? I think you can pay the full unsubsidized price. ATT lets you keep your unlimited plan.

ATT lets you keep unlimited but governs it once you go over a certain amount which is annoying as well"Pay for unlimited""When you go over the 'unlimited' amount, we will slow it down to the equivalent of 1G service speeds"Such a scam

What's that amount?

It varies. It seems to be a case to case basis.

Around 2 to 3 gb.

If that's true that is horrible. 2GB is the plan I chose with Verizon and I think it is on the lower end of the spectrum. What I would really want to see more of is the FCC investigating true bandwidth speeds claimed by providers since I think it varies widely based on time of day and location.The U.S. gets the short end of the stick when it comes to internet in general compared to developed countries across the Atlantic. I like what Google is doing with Fiber to shake up the broadband market, now if only they would do something similar with cell phones.

 

[jhib]

Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront.

This sounds like a pretty ####ty and annoying world.

I'm already trying to figure out how to get away with smashing those little tv screens Walmart puts around their store that turn on and play an ad as I walk past. Who in the world would want their phones basically doing the same thing?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Sooooo, now what?

 

[zDragon]

Very light, almost toy-like.

LTE is faster, or as fast, as my business class home internet service. Haven't tried downloading files, but webpages load blazingly fast.

All functions are fast, including picture taking. Had a 4s and this is noticably faster which is great because taking picture of our new baby sometimes requires a quick pull of iphone, touch of app and snap before she decides it's time to cry, and this new iphone makes it easier to capture a shot rather than waiting for it to focus, load, and then capture it. (Shaves a second or two off the total time).

The extra screen real estate is disorienting for a bit, but is nice when reading in landscape...having an extra row of icons on the home screen is different too, but nice.

Battery life still TBD. I like that you can plug in the charger any direction and it clicks, doesn't have to be a particular orientation like the old ones, but I have about 10 old charger cables around the house that I keep trying to use, only to realize I only have the 1 that came with it that I can actually use. Biggest disappointment so far, although it was expected. Kinda like trying to flip the light switches in a house when the power went out...just forget that the cables aren't interchangeable anymore.

Resolution and colors are fine, nothing noticeably different.

But yeah, biggest notable things are, the lightness of it...seriously feels like a plastic toy compared to the previously sturdy-feeling iphone 4s. LTE is fast...surprised I noticed much of a difference between 3g and it. And it's gonna take some money and time before my cable situation works itself out where I have other options for charging than just the one cord.

Can you run speedtest and post the results. The results I saw were 7.2Mbps to around 9.0Mbps which I would not think is faster than a business class speed. Although the tests I saw were on the Verizon network. It would interesting to see the actual speed versus the seat of the pants speed.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Apple was not big in the advertising game before, but imagine a world in which you are walking past the detergent aisle in Target and up pops a message about some special in that aisle. The same for walking past a storefront.

This sounds like a pretty ####ty and annoying world.

I'm already trying to figure out how to get away with smashing those little tv screens Walmart puts around their store that turn on and play an ad as I walk past. Who in the world would want their phones basically doing the same thing?

being bombarded with ads like that would not be good at all, but I assume it would be opt-in and popular with coupon clippers. Not sure why it appeals to Otis.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I ran speedtest on my home wi-fi network with my iphone 4 and iphone 5

Iphone 5

Ping: 38ms

Download: 14.17 Mbps

Upload: 3.30 Mbps

Iphone 4

Ping: 89 ms

Download: 9.40 Mbps

Upload: 3.14 Mbps

Then I turned off wi-fi and ran a test on LTE with the 5

Ping: 71ms

Download: 17.90 Mbps

Upload: 4.14 Mbps

 

[zDragon]

I ran speedtest on my home wi-fi network with my iphone 4 and iphone 5

Iphone 5

Ping: 38ms

Download: 14.17 Mbps

Upload: 3.30 Mbps

Iphone 4

Ping: 89 ms

Download: 9.40 Mbps

Upload: 3.14 Mbps

Then I turned off wi-fi and ran a test on LTE with the 5

Ping: 71ms

Download: 17.90 Mbps

Upload: 4.14 Mbps

Nice. What network are you on for LTE?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Nice. What network are you on for LTE?

ATT.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I ran speedtest on my home wi-fi network with my iphone 4 and iphone 5

Iphone 5

Ping: 38ms

Download: 14.17 Mbps

Upload: 3.30 Mbps

Then I turned off wi-fi and ran a test on LTE with the 5

Ping: 71ms

Download: 17.90 Mbps

Upload: 4.14 Mbps

Just for comparison:Iphone 5

Ping: 19ms

Download: 20.20 Mbps

Upload: 9.93 Mbps

Then I turned off wi-fi and ran a test on LTE with the 5

Ping: 34ms

Download: 11.51 Mbps

Upload: 9.61 Mbps

Verizon / S. Florida

 

[adonis]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

 

[hxperson]

I answered the question earlier of "why do this".Apple and Google are in direct competition in the mobile space. The data going through maps is VERY valuable. Apple should have switched years ago but were under contract. Contracts up, Apple is ready to get started, their map service has a ways to go to be as good as google maps, and they're willing to give it a shot. Why should apple continue to fund Google's company, where the funding and profits go towards development of a competing OS? In other words, there is a VERY good reason for Apple to reinvent something even if it's not 100% ready. Again, sure there are some issues, but on the whole, I've had few problems and I'd bet most people have had good experiences with it too, with a few odd results or missing results in there. A reasonable gripe would be that they should've been gathering better data for the past few years, but honestly I don't know how possible that is, considering they bought data from TomTom, and it's a big wide world. Over the next bits of time, the product will improve and the hypersensitive among us will stop complaining about this.

Not sure which "data" you are talking about, but I'm pretty certain all of the actual maps data would be owned and licenced out by someone like Digitalglobe or GeoEye, so the database building on that front doesn't really matter much for the OS providers. Where I would think value comes in for the Apples and Googles out there is with regard to their user search queries and what not.

 

[Billy Bats]

Curious to compare speeds...

Ran three tests each from iPhone 5 on AT&T:

WiFi:

Ping: 19, 17, 19 ms

Download: 1.1, 1.88, 1.80 Mbps

Upload: 5.77, 5.97, 5.78 Mbps

LTE:

Ping: 47, 52, 53 ms

Download: 12.97, 15.72, 15.08 Mbps

Upload: 15.84, 17.23, 11.79 Mbps

 

[adonis]

Speed Test at work:

Wifi:

Ping: 82ms

Download: 8.02 Mbps

Upload: 6.62 Mbps

LTE (AT&T):

Ping: 127ms

Download: 13.51 Mbps

Upload: 18.73 Mbps

Speed Test at home:

Will edit and update later.

 

[sho nuff]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

Or...its an issue like the antenna...and it affects more people than people like you and goons will ever admit while you downplay it all...because "amazingly" everything works perfect for you so it can't be an issue.It will get fixed and people will move on.Yet...if the same thing happened to a new Droid phone (can't say for sure what you would do but...) goons would be one of the first mocking Android for releasing something before it was ready.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

 

[zDragon]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

 

[The Noid]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

Verizon? I think you can pay the full unsubsidized price. ATT lets you keep your unlimited plan.

My BIL had an old phone laying around that he used and added a line, then did some switching around of the plans, and now has unlimited data on the iPhone5 with Verizon, subsided price for the phone, and pays $10 more a month (for the dummy phone.)Not sure how much it was worht it, though. I think it costs $40 to get 5GB if you go over ($30 for 3GB, plus $10 for every 2GB over) but there might be some months where he will be under 4 or 5GB and paying for it anyway.

 

[zDragon]

Speed Test at work:Wifiing: 82msDownload: 8.02 MbpsUpload: 6.62 MbpsLTE (AT&T)ing: 127msDownload: 13.51 MbpsUpload: 18.73 MbpsSpeed Test at home:Will edit and update later.

So another question. What is everyones home base speed. I thought 20 was the bottom bracket these days especially with all the streaming.

 

[adonis]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

Or...its an issue like the antenna...and it affects more people than people like you and goons will ever admit while you downplay it all...because "amazingly" everything works perfect for you so it can't be an issue.It will get fixed and people will move on.Yet...if the same thing happened to a new Droid phone (can't say for sure what you would do but...) goons would be one of the first mocking Android for releasing something before it was ready.

I don't care much about Droid, personally. Looks like a nice phone.I seem to remember when antenna-gate came out, that they demonstrated that lots of other phones had the same kinds of problems when you held them a certain way. For me, and everyone I knew, they never experienced the issue, except when it was pinpointed out that if you do THIS EXACT THING, your signal will drop. Well, in normal use for most people, they don't do that, so in practice, it wasn't much of an issue for most people (especially considering most use cases).In maps, the issue is even more benign, because unlike the antenna, which is hardware and wouldn't self-correct, Maps will get better as more people use it and Apple improves the data quality of location information, and updates the geographical map information they're using.Also, most people I've spoken with have had a fine time using maps to get them from point A to point B or to find local businesses. It's only when people point out THIS EXACT THING where streets are missing for some, or this looks funny here, that people notice. Do those things need to be corrected? Of course...are they flaws? yes. But overall, the app is pretty good, and in my limited experience, it beats Google Maps.Also, just like other phones having the same antenna flaw, people don't remember google maps and the flaws it had, and still has, in improperly placing the locations of businesses/residents, and maps being out of date. I've had a number of times, one recounted earlier, where it just flat out was wrong on the location of things, including my home, and I didn't make a big fuss over it...I just figured out how to get around it, and appreciated the other 99/100 times it worked.Much ado about nothing here, for most people. Apple should correct it, but people should calm down.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

anybody having WiFi problems after upgrading to iOS 6? I upgraded my 4S with a wired connection through iTunes last week, and since then my WiFi on/off toggle has been greyed out. seems like it is a pretty common problem. I've rebooted and reset all network settings, but stopped short of doing a full restore.

has this happened to anyone else? I don't really want to restore my phone or take it in for a new one, but I haven't read anything yet that says Apple is working on a patch...

 

[Tiger Fan]

Here's a good article on gaining extra battery life with io6 - http://www.imore.com/how-fix-battery-life-problems-ios-6-or-iphone-5

Maybe a refresher for those who have had apple, but as an android convert; it was pretty useful

 

[culdeus]

Here's a good article on gaining extra battery life with io6 - http://www.imore.com/how-fix-battery-life-problems-ios-6-or-iphone-5

Maybe a refresher for those who have had apple, but as an android convert; it was pretty useful

There is lots to not like about this article. Some advice is good, but some is flat out mis-informed.

 

[Norman Einstein]

Any ways around losing my unlimited data plan?Went to pick up my phone and was told I would lose my data plan with the upgrade. I heard something about upgrading another phone on my plan and doing a switcheroo, but alas I only have one phone on my plan.

Verizon? I think you can pay the full unsubsidized price. ATT lets you keep your unlimited plan.

correct, i have verizon. No ATT service in my location.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Here's a good article on gaining extra battery life with io6 - http://www.imore.com/how-fix-battery-life-problems-ios-6-or-iphone-5

Maybe a refresher for those who have had apple, but as an android convert; it was pretty useful

There is lots to not like about this article. Some advice is good, but some is flat out mis-informed.

Can you elaborate ?

 

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[culdeus]

Here's a good article on gaining extra battery life with io6 - http://www.imore.com/how-fix-battery-life-problems-ios-6-or-iphone-5

Maybe a refresher for those who have had apple, but as an android convert; it was pretty useful

There is lots to not like about this article. Some advice is good, but some is flat out mis-informed.

Can you elaborate ?

The big issue with IOS is they try to handle backgrounding in an inefficient way to make the user experience a little more seamless. Finding ways to auto-kill apps after a timeout should be a priority. It has always been a weakness, plus Apple greenlights apps that just such the hell out of your battery even when on. This article does go a ways to identifying and finding some workarounds for this issue.With that out of the way she makes two horribly out of date suggestions:

-Drain battery to empty then full

--This does nothing on an Iphone. For one your "empty" is far from empty. It is more like 10% SOC, but your phone reports 0. If a li-ion battery really does go to empty it does tremendous harm to the cell. Damage that is not recoverable. This is old thinking from halide batteries that persist to this day.

-What she should have said

--Let your battery cross the "flat zone" 5x in a week. What is the flat zone? It is the period reported at 20-80 SOC. Your phone will learn the capacity better. Your phone also will throttle you if you are bouncing too much which leads to this. This is not something that has to happen alot, just once every couple of months.

-Keep putting your phone on a charger

--This is the absolute worst idea, period. Do this and your phone will automatically cut your capacity down and it won't take long. Never, ever "top off" a LI cell ESPECIALLY when it has not relaxed. She is reporting the worst possible case, use your phone, don't let it relax and then charge from high SOC to something higher, maybe not even 100. This will NUKE your capacity faster than listening to your Justin Bieber Pandora room.