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Do we still have a PDF of the actual sizes?
Can the watch deal with sweat?
Can the watch deal with sweat?
I was really hoping they would go for something like the basis, but awesomer.You obviously don't need the watch. But I'm pretty sure every smart watch is going to be paired to a phone for the foreseeable future. I don't expect any smart watch to really make a better running watch than Garmin or Suunto or whatever. I just don't think that will matter to most people who want a full-featured fitness tracker, particularly if they want other features.Which is fine, I just fail to see why exactly I need the watch if it basically has to always be paired to a phone especially a 5.5 inch phone.Agreed.What happens if you have a 6+ though. At some point the size of the phone inhibits the workout.You think? I'm going to use my phone to play my music when I run (and because I like to be available in case my wife or my folks or my job needs me for something). The standard solution to carry it is an armband. And I can either futz with MapMyRun or Nike+ at the start to the workout or I can wear a separate GPS enabled sports watch or a "dumb" pedometer-only wearable like a FitBit. I'd much rather simply have the phone in my pocket, or at worst a minimalist running pack.If you really need an iPhone close to get GPS, that's pretty much a deal breaker for real fitness use these days.Of course it's a display. Did anyone think the Apple Watch was going to be a precision Swiss time piece? It's a display and an interface. Considering that the interface is probably the single most important feature of any proposed wearable technology, I'm not sure why that's considered a limitation.
I think it would be a terrible waste to put the GPS chip in the watch itself (as opposed to an NFC chip or something).
It might work for runners, but it's certainly a dealbreaker for the triathlete or cyclist where Bluetooth (or however they plan on syncing them) hasn't worked well at all.
Lack of ANT+ support so far might be a deal breaker for serious fitness people.
Overall the more I look at it the fitness side might be the weakest thing about this watch. Virtually nothing is being brought into the space which is an improvement.
Plus wrist based HRM are iffy to begin with.
You can upgrade your phone all you want...you just can't change your plan without losing the Unlimited packages.Wife has upgraded her phone three times on Verizon and still has "unlimited"....only has 250 minutes of talk time though.Verizon has forced people off of it if they want to upgrade. Just waiting for AT&T to follow suit and get me on a more tiered data plan.I've never had an issue with this.Not sure I have a need for the watch at all. Like the +, but it feels like Apple is trying to catch up. Ultimately for me it comes down to my contract and whether AT&T will honor my "unlimited" plan one more time. Been very happy with iPhones over the years, but would have no problem moving to a Galaxy. We shall see.
It amazes me that android fans still seem to think that the overall user experience of a product can be summed up by a few bulleted specs.Food for thought for all of the iPhoners out there. Is the 6plus w/ 64 GB @ $399 ON CONTRACT really better than a OnePlus One @ $349 OFF CONTRACT?
OnePlus One
64 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
5.5 inch display (1080 x 1920 pixels)(401 pixel density)
13 MP camera
etc etc
Here is a full comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6327&idPhone2=6665
Won't you just activation lock your phone so it can't be used.No need to cut off a finger when you have all the finger prints sitting right there on the phone waiting to be liftedWeird and disturbing thought BUT:
With NFC approvals being made possible with touch ID, you think we will see crimes where people get their phone stolen and their thumbs cut off so that people can use them to make purchases?![]()
We were sitting pretty until that damn iwatch was announced.What a Mush.AAPL up over 4%.
I just recently switched my AT&T phone from an iPhone to a Galaxy S5. I had no issues keeping my unlimited data plan.Verizon has forced people off of it if they want to upgrade. Just waiting for AT&T to follow suit and get me on a more tiered data plan.I've never had an issue with this.Not sure I have a need for the watch at all. Like the +, but it feels like Apple is trying to catch up. Ultimately for me it comes down to my contract and whether AT&T will honor my "unlimited" plan one more time. Been very happy with iPhones over the years, but would have no problem moving to a Galaxy. We shall see.
Once you realize it's gone, probably. For me, that could be days. I'm interested in this stuff from a technology perspective, but use very little of it any more.Won't you just activation lock your phone so it can't be used.No need to cut off a finger when you have all the finger prints sitting right there on the phone waiting to be liftedWeird and disturbing thought BUT:
With NFC approvals being made possible with touch ID, you think we will see crimes where people get their phone stolen and their thumbs cut off so that people can use them to make purchases?![]()
It amazes me that this phone matches the 6 plus spec for spec and is ridiculously cheaper. And I prefer the overall user experience on Android by a fair margin. Not sure what I'm not getting?It amazes me that android fans still seem to think that the overall user experience of a product can be summed up by a few bulleted specs.Food for thought for all of the iPhoners out there. Is the 6plus w/ 64 GB @ $399 ON CONTRACT really better than a OnePlus One @ $349 OFF CONTRACT?
OnePlus One
64 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
5.5 inch display (1080 x 1920 pixels)(401 pixel density)
13 MP camera
etc etc
Here is a full comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6327&idPhone2=6665
I'm not saying anything against the OnePlus One as I've not used one yet... but this mindset shows how some still just don't get it.
You're getting 2 year old features at a higher price than they were even 2 years ago, of course.It amazes me that this phone matches the 6 plus spec for spec and is ridiculously cheaper. And I prefer the overall user experience on Android by a fair margin. Not sure what I'm not getting?It amazes me that android fans still seem to think that the overall user experience of a product can be summed up by a few bulleted specs.Food for thought for all of the iPhoners out there. Is the 6plus w/ 64 GB @ $399 ON CONTRACT really better than a OnePlus One @ $349 OFF CONTRACT?
OnePlus One
64 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
5.5 inch display (1080 x 1920 pixels)(401 pixel density)
13 MP camera
etc etc
Here is a full comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6327&idPhone2=6665
I'm not saying anything against the OnePlus One as I've not used one yet... but this mindset shows how some still just don't get it.
I think that's a pretty decent description of what it is. That Basis doesn't have standalone GPS or Ant+. It also has a wrist-based HR monitor (than apparently has trouble tracking heart rate while exercising). It contains a perspiration and body temperature sensor which the Apple Watch lacks, but I'm not sure the Basis has even developed the algorithms to use those sensors yet.I was really hoping they would go for something like the basis, but awesomer.You obviously don't need the watch. But I'm pretty sure every smart watch is going to be paired to a phone for the foreseeable future. I don't expect any smart watch to really make a better running watch than Garmin or Suunto or whatever. I just don't think that will matter to most people who want a full-featured fitness tracker, particularly if they want other features.Which is fine, I just fail to see why exactly I need the watch if it basically has to always be paired to a phone especially a 5.5 inch phone.Agreed.What happens if you have a 6+ though. At some point the size of the phone inhibits the workout.You think? I'm going to use my phone to play my music when I run (and because I like to be available in case my wife or my folks or my job needs me for something). The standard solution to carry it is an armband. And I can either futz with MapMyRun or Nike+ at the start to the workout or I can wear a separate GPS enabled sports watch or a "dumb" pedometer-only wearable like a FitBit. I'd much rather simply have the phone in my pocket, or at worst a minimalist running pack.If you really need an iPhone close to get GPS, that's pretty much a deal breaker for real fitness use these days.Of course it's a display. Did anyone think the Apple Watch was going to be a precision Swiss time piece? It's a display and an interface. Considering that the interface is probably the single most important feature of any proposed wearable technology, I'm not sure why that's considered a limitation.
I think it would be a terrible waste to put the GPS chip in the watch itself (as opposed to an NFC chip or something).
It might work for runners, but it's certainly a dealbreaker for the triathlete or cyclist where Bluetooth (or however they plan on syncing them) hasn't worked well at all.
Lack of ANT+ support so far might be a deal breaker for serious fitness people.
Overall the more I look at it the fitness side might be the weakest thing about this watch. Virtually nothing is being brought into the space which is an improvement.
Plus wrist based HRM are iffy to begin with.
http://www.mybasis.com/
These are not loaded questions (rather, ignorant ones), but the common complaints I have heard in the past about Android is that they are "busy," virus-prone, and buggy. Given that you prefer the experience on Android more, I imagine that this has not been your experience? If not, how do folks come away with a different opinion? Maybe that's just "the old days" of Android? I have thought long and hard about going over to an HTC One, driven mostly by battery life, but the pros always seem to outweigh the cons in terms of sticking with Apple (family is fairly committed to the ecosystem - two iphones, two ipads, macbook air, macbook pro, appletv).It amazes me that this phone matches the 6 plus spec for spec and is ridiculously cheaper. And I prefer the overall user experience on Android by a fair margin. Not sure what I'm not getting?It amazes me that android fans still seem to think that the overall user experience of a product can be summed up by a few bulleted specs.Food for thought for all of the iPhoners out there. Is the 6plus w/ 64 GB @ $399 ON CONTRACT really better than a OnePlus One @ $349 OFF CONTRACT?
OnePlus One
64 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
5.5 inch display (1080 x 1920 pixels)(401 pixel density)
13 MP camera
etc etc
Here is a full comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6327&idPhone2=6665
I'm not saying anything against the OnePlus One as I've not used one yet... but this mindset shows how some still just don't get it.
Well.. we can start with the bolded above...It amazes me that this phone matches the 6 plus spec for spec and is ridiculously cheaper. And I prefer the overall user experience on Android by a fair margin. Not sure what I'm not getting?It amazes me that android fans still seem to think that the overall user experience of a product can be summed up by a few bulleted specs.Food for thought for all of the iPhoners out there. Is the 6plus w/ 64 GB @ $399 ON CONTRACT really better than a OnePlus One @ $349 OFF CONTRACT?
OnePlus One
64 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
5.5 inch display (1080 x 1920 pixels)(401 pixel density)
13 MP camera
etc etc
Here is a full comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6327&idPhone2=6665
I'm not saying anything against the OnePlus One as I've not used one yet... but this mindset shows how some still just don't get it.
Wait what? I've changed my plan without losing it but if I try and upgrade the phone I was told I'd lose it.You can upgrade your phone all you want...you just can't change your plan without losing the Unlimited packages.Wife has upgraded her phone three times on Verizon and still has "unlimited"....only has 250 minutes of talk time though.Verizon has forced people off of it if they want to upgrade. Just waiting for AT&T to follow suit and get me on a more tiered data plan.I've never had an issue with this.Not sure I have a need for the watch at all. Like the +, but it feels like Apple is trying to catch up. Ultimately for me it comes down to my contract and whether AT&T will honor my "unlimited" plan one more time. Been very happy with iPhones over the years, but would have no problem moving to a Galaxy. We shall see.
http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/54183146.jpgbigbottom said:The Japanese translation in the background is really messing me up.
OMG LOL WTF do you need that big of a phone for, it looks ridiculous. Apple's form and size are perfect!I would like to be the first to welcome Apple and its iPhone users to 2012. Enjoy!
I still feel this way. I don't really care who came up with it, who uses it, or why. It's too big for me. This includes the iphone 6+.OMG LOL WTF do you need that big of a phone for, it looks ridiculous. Apple's form and size are perfect!I would like to be the first to welcome Apple and its iPhone users to 2012. Enjoy!
- Apple user pre-2014
Small Hands GuyI still feel this way. I don't really care who came up with it, who uses it, or why. It's too big for me. This includes the iphone 6+.OMG LOL WTF do you need that big of a phone for, it looks ridiculous. Apple's form and size are perfect!I would like to be the first to welcome Apple and its iPhone users to 2012. Enjoy!
- Apple user pre-2014
I also don't use a sledgehammer to tap a nail into a wall. It's the wrong tool.
For me.
YMMV.
I have a Mac and it didn't improve my iPhone experience at all. The last time I've been as happy with a switch as I was from the iPhone to an Android phone was when I switched from a bulky Windows laptop to a MacBook Air.As someone who has been happy with both experiences, it makes me laugh at the back and forth between the diehards.
I never had a mac. I imagine if I did, my iphone experience might have been better than just being happy. Everything seemed to be a pain. Uploading movies, songs and shows was an absolute disaster from itunes. I think itunes alone soured my full experience. I know the updates allowed for easy cloud based experience but I had an iphone 4 and was not making it any slower with new ios updates.
I got tired of waiting for the next big thing that never seemed to come so I jumped over to the note 3 bc screen size mattered to me. Now I feel like I am getting the experience I wanted from my iphone. I think it really comes down to what you prefer. If you are a Google person, which I am, android is your choice. If you are a mac guy, the easy integration between computer and phone is probably what you want.
But to think one is clearly better than the other is silly and makes the people arguing look silly as well.
But the one thing everyone should do is get the bigger phone.
I'm curious about this too - asking for a friend.What happens if you have a 6+ though.
Samsung Note and MacBook Air user here.I have a Mac and it didn't improve my iPhone experience at all. The last time I've been as happy with a switch as I was from the iPhone to an Android phone was when I switched from a bulky Windows laptop to a MacBook Air.As someone who has been happy with both experiences, it makes me laugh at the back and forth between the diehards.
I never had a mac. I imagine if I did, my iphone experience might have been better than just being happy. Everything seemed to be a pain. Uploading movies, songs and shows was an absolute disaster from itunes. I think itunes alone soured my full experience. I know the updates allowed for easy cloud based experience but I had an iphone 4 and was not making it any slower with new ios updates.
I got tired of waiting for the next big thing that never seemed to come so I jumped over to the note 3 bc screen size mattered to me. Now I feel like I am getting the experience I wanted from my iphone. I think it really comes down to what you prefer. If you are a Google person, which I am, android is your choice. If you are a mac guy, the easy integration between computer and phone is probably what you want.
But to think one is clearly better than the other is silly and makes the people arguing look silly as well.
But the one thing everyone should do is get the bigger phone.
It would be days before you realize your phone is gone?Once you realize it's gone, probably. For me, that could be days. I'm interested in this stuff from a technology perspective, but use very little of it any more.Won't you just activation lock your phone so it can't be used.No need to cut off a finger when you have all the finger prints sitting right there on the phone waiting to be liftedWeird and disturbing thought BUT:
With NFC approvals being made possible with touch ID, you think we will see crimes where people get their phone stolen and their thumbs cut off so that people can use them to make purchases?![]()
FYPI still feel this way. I don't really care who came up with it, who uses it, or why. It's too big for me. This includes the iphone 6+.OMG LOL WTF do you need that big of a phone for, it looks ridiculous. Apple's form and size are perfect!I would like to be the first to welcome Apple and its iPhone users to 2012. Enjoy!
- Apple user pre-2014
I also don't use a sledgehammer to tap a nail into a wall. It's the wrong tool.
For me.
YMMV.Small HandsCan't Fit Gigantic Phones In My Pocket Because Of My Enormous Genitalia Guy
Do what now?If you're using ATT you mine as well get that wonderful Amazon phone for a buck and get a free year of prime
Maybe you should get the @!$#%'s out of your butt and use your back pocket?FYPI still feel this way. I don't really care who came up with it, who uses it, or why. It's too big for me. This includes the iphone 6+.OMG LOL WTF do you need that big of a phone for, it looks ridiculous. Apple's form and size are perfect!I would like to be the first to welcome Apple and its iPhone users to 2012. Enjoy!
- Apple user pre-2014
I also don't use a sledgehammer to tap a nail into a wall. It's the wrong tool.
For me.
YMMV.Small HandsCan't Fit Gigantic Phones In My Pocket Because Of My Enormous Genitalia Guy
huh?Was it, AT&T is killing the grandfathered unlimited data?
That was supposed to say "wait" and I thought an earlier post inferred that AT&T was not allowing renewals to continue with their unlimited data plans. I'm not sure if that is the case though or not.huh?Was it, AT&T is killing the grandfathered unlimited data?
Well, you're certainly in the minority. Android has some advantages over iOS, but better "overall user experience" isn't one that is shared by many people.It amazes me that this phone matches the 6 plus spec for spec and is ridiculously cheaper. And I prefer the overall user experience on Android by a fair margin. Not sure what I'm not getting?It amazes me that android fans still seem to think that the overall user experience of a product can be summed up by a few bulleted specs.Food for thought for all of the iPhoners out there. Is the 6plus w/ 64 GB @ $399 ON CONTRACT really better than a OnePlus One @ $349 OFF CONTRACT?
OnePlus One
64 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
5.5 inch display (1080 x 1920 pixels)(401 pixel density)
13 MP camera
etc etc
Here is a full comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6327&idPhone2=6665
I'm not saying anything against the OnePlus One as I've not used one yet... but this mindset shows how some still just don't get it.
Everybody is worried about it, but no indication has been given it's happening anytime soon that I know of.That was supposed to say "wait" and I thought an earlier post inferred that AT&T was not allowing renewals to continue with their unlimited data plans. I'm not sure if that is the case though or not.huh?Was it, AT&T is killing the grandfathered unlimited data?
It's gotten MUCH closer to iOS, but isn't quite there yet... absent the moddernerds who want to screw around with loading tons of ROMS and stuff onto their phones.I want to switch to Android, or at least wouldn't mind it, but outside this thread I don't see a ton of unbiased reviews indicating its a better product.
I'm not into this which is better debate, but if it took you that long to figure out iMessage and FaceTime, I think it might be the user...I don't get it and I'm not being argumentative just for the sake of
My switch from ios to android was the most seamless thing ever. Type in my google account and boom, I'm off
My user experience has been top notch
Now, getting my kids iMessage and FaceTime set up, well, lets just say they were sleeping by the time I sorted it out
It doesn't change orientation when you rotate it??I think the Iphone 6 is going to be a grand slam home run for Apple because most users will want a larger phone. Nothing else really matters except the size.
The watch I see as a bust for many reasons. Primary for me is the placement of the "Digital Crown" which makes that function of the watch unusable for people like me (left handers) who wear a watch on their right arm.
My bad it looks like it does change orientation - and I think the bands will switch too. The crown will be at the bottom of the watch - not sure how that would look and function- certainly not preferable or Apple would have placed it there to begin with. Lefties make up a small % of the population so the watch will bust for other reasons than that imo.It doesn't change orientation when you rotate it??I think the Iphone 6 is going to be a grand slam home run for Apple because most users will want a larger phone. Nothing else really matters except the size.
The watch I see as a bust for many reasons. Primary for me is the placement of the "Digital Crown" which makes that function of the watch unusable for people like me (left handers) who wear a watch on their right arm.
That's just the way it goes with so many makers and so much bloatware. There are going to be some crappy phones.Agree. I know two people with Androids. 1 still has his and it just has a odd feel to it. Almost like buying a knockoff. My other friend broke his phone and then switched to an iPhone.Seems to me that many android users are kind of like hipsters and need to "stick it to the man." They can't be seen as following and will go to the grave trying to convince everyone else that androids are the far superior device and they're really in the know.Well, you're certainly in the minority. Android has some advantages over iOS, but better "overall user experience" isn't one that is shared by many people.It amazes me that this phone matches the 6 plus spec for spec and is ridiculously cheaper. And I prefer the overall user experience on Android by a fair margin. Not sure what I'm not getting?It amazes me that android fans still seem to think that the overall user experience of a product can be summed up by a few bulleted specs.Food for thought for all of the iPhoners out there. Is the 6plus w/ 64 GB @ $399 ON CONTRACT really better than a OnePlus One @ $349 OFF CONTRACT?
OnePlus One
64 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
5.5 inch display (1080 x 1920 pixels)(401 pixel density)
13 MP camera
etc etc
Here is a full comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6327&idPhone2=6665
I'm not saying anything against the OnePlus One as I've not used one yet... but this mindset shows how some still just don't get it.
Which is obviously fine, but you shouldn't wonder what you're not getting when you're the exception.
I switched from iOS to Android two years ago and I honestly don't see how the user experience can possibly be any worse on Android than iOS. If you want, Android can be set up EXACTLY like iOS. Of course a big part of that is because the majority of the features that iOS has added in the last 3 years were ripped straight from Android, but if all you want is a big collage of apps that you can click on that's pretty much how Android comes out of the box.Agree. I know two people with Androids. 1 still has his and it just has a odd feel to it. Almost like buying a knockoff. My other friend broke his phone and then switched to an iPhone.Well, you're certainly in the minority. Android has some advantages over iOS, but better "overall user experience" isn't one that is shared by many people.It amazes me that this phone matches the 6 plus spec for spec and is ridiculously cheaper. And I prefer the overall user experience on Android by a fair margin. Not sure what I'm not getting?It amazes me that android fans still seem to think that the overall user experience of a product can be summed up by a few bulleted specs.Food for thought for all of the iPhoners out there. Is the 6plus w/ 64 GB @ $399 ON CONTRACT really better than a OnePlus One @ $349 OFF CONTRACT?
OnePlus One
64 GB storage, 3 GB RAM
5.5 inch display (1080 x 1920 pixels)(401 pixel density)
13 MP camera
etc etc
Here is a full comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6327&idPhone2=6665
I'm not saying anything against the OnePlus One as I've not used one yet... but this mindset shows how some still just don't get it.
Which is obviously fine, but you shouldn't wonder what you're not getting when you're the exception.
Seems to me that many android users are kind of like hipsters and need to "stick it to the man." They can't be seen as following and will go to the grave trying to convince everyone else that androids are the far superior device and they're really in the know.