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The Beatles (1 Viewer)
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Bruce Dickinson
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Bruce Dickinson
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It’s a great read.Holy crap, how did I never notice there’s a Beatles thread on here? Guess I know how I’ll be spending my MKE->SEA flight tomorrow.
ETA: Apologies in advance for Hippling nine years of posts.
Sometime between when the thread started and now, there was a board software update that borked most of the emoticons. So if you see one in the first few pages of the thread that doesn’t make any sense, it was probably originally posted as something else.
Ilov80s
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krista4
Footballguy
Good to know - thank you!
Oh boy. I would be opening myself up to so much "how could you possibly..." and "you idiot (or whatever insulting terms we're allowed to use now)". Or as Mr. krista said when I mentioned I wanted to do this (not even thinking of posting it), "What could possibly go wrong?"
But it would potentially open up some really fun Beatles discussion, so if I can make sure I have thick enough skin to handle the barbs....
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Anyone that sincerely criticizes someone else over their ranking of a Beatles song doesn't actually understand The Beatles. I would like to see your ranking!Good to know - thank you!
Oh boy. I would be opening myself up to so much "how could you possibly..." and "you idiot (or whatever insulting terms we're allowed to use now)". Or as Mr. krista said when I mentioned I wanted to do this (not even thinking of posting it), "What could possibly go wrong?"
rockaction
Footballguy
1. She Loves You
2. I Wanna Hold Your Hand
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Everything Else?
2. I Wanna Hold Your Hand
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Everything Else?
rockaction
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Well, as soon as I saw this thread bumped, I was in. But I'm just observing the countdown.
Ilov80s
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rockaction
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krista4
Footballguy
I need some time! It was just an idea germinating, though I've mentally put most already into three tiers: (1) love, (2) great but don't love, (3) not quite great enough. You'll note there is likely no "hate" or "dislike" tier. Even the ones I think I'm meh on are still better than most other stuff.1. Tier 1 (but not top 10 or anything)
2. Tier 2
Ilov80s
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awesome @ me if ever need anything
1. Tier 1 (but not top 10 or anything)
2. Tier 2
rockaction
Footballguy
No way. I was just kidding, knowing that my choices wouldn't go over well. I want to see the list without deleterious comment. C'mon K4, drop us some knowledge.Now there's pressure because if anyone is going to hate on my choices, it's RA.
I'm gonna sit back and comment graciously, glad for the moment.
Peace.
Galileo
Footballguy
My list...tough to order, so much good stuff to choose from.
1. Let it Be
2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
3. A Day In the Life
4. Dear Prudence
5. Yesterday
6. I Saw Her Standing There
7. Norwegian Wood
8. Here Comes the Sun
9. Hey Jude
10. Nowhere Man
Would still like to squeeze Rocky Racoon and Ballad of John & Yoko onto this list (and about 10 other songs!)
1. Let it Be
2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
3. A Day In the Life
4. Dear Prudence
5. Yesterday
6. I Saw Her Standing There
7. Norwegian Wood
8. Here Comes the Sun
9. Hey Jude
10. Nowhere Man
Would still like to squeeze Rocky Racoon and Ballad of John & Yoko onto this list (and about 10 other songs!)
GROOT
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Ilov80s
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Eephus
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That Corden segment is just delightful.
My argument of the night is that The Beatles' artistry notwithstanding, some of their ability to permeate culture for a half century came from the loveableness of Paul and Ringo. They were characterized or caricatured as the nice boys that your mum would love (the Liverpool clip shows Sir Paul's definitely still got it with the mums). This factor helped make them safer for mainstream consumption than a lot of their contemporaries.
A band made up of two Johns and two Georges would have been great but nowhere near as huge as The Beatles.
My argument of the night is that The Beatles' artistry notwithstanding, some of their ability to permeate culture for a half century came from the loveableness of Paul and Ringo. They were characterized or caricatured as the nice boys that your mum would love (the Liverpool clip shows Sir Paul's definitely still got it with the mums). This factor helped make them safer for mainstream consumption than a lot of their contemporaries.
A band made up of two Johns and two Georges would have been great but nowhere near as huge as The Beatles.
Mister CIA
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Mister CIA
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Eephus
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Uruk-Hai
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You have to do this.
In regards to the bolded, I never understood why some folks always "other" the covers. In my opinion, the covers were vital to the Beatles making it in America. Hell, they were vital to the entire British Invasion making it.
DaVinci
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krista4
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Slightly tangential to your point, but this video shows a little of that to me. Look how John and George know how to use the camera angles and are constantly conscious of it, while Paul and Ringo seem a bit more genuine and, in Ringo’s case, unintentionally hilarious.
Leroy Hoard
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I always felt bad for George & Ringo. Not for anything to do with the music, but because there were not any Popes named after them.
wikkidpissah
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wikkid's Beatle Top 10
1. In My Life - so far above in so many ways. What you young'uns dont get was how social, tribal even, musical choices were when it all exploded. I mean, I'll never forget walking to school the morning after Beatles on Ed Sullivan because you could just feel how the world had changed but still, the Stones were right on their heels and you had to ####### choose. I chose Stones, so there was no Beatle paraphernalia i didn't draw zits & googly eyes on (we'd have turned Ringo nose into a #### if we'd thought of it), no too few ways i could put down the folkies, a li'l Motown was OK but Beach Boys, greaser Elvis, pop, ptuui, ptuuui, ptuuuui. But Revolver pricked up my ears and then Rubber Soul blew me away. I bought em both and hid em deeper than my Playboys til Sgt Pepper blew the lid off everything and let all of us back in.
And then there was my Mary. Six feet one of ragebeast, with a thousand reasons to be mad and a million ways to show it. And only ONE way to calm her down - get physical hold of her, start singing In My Life in her ear til i could rock her into a dance. She never cried, but invisible bats would release from her like something in Green Mile and she would chill so there's that.
2. And I Love Her - There are three songs that i can sing the #### out of - Since I Fell For You, You Don't Know Me & this. It is soooo much better a soul song than it is a pop song and I will put my cover of it over every Beatles cover but Cocker's Friends.
3. A Day in the Life - It changed everything. It just did.
4. Back in the USSR - The Beatles are eternal as a pop band, not a rock band, but that made it soooo much better when they str8up rocked out, like this and Helter Skelter.
5. Norwegian Wood - I had no idea a song could pick you up and put you somewhere 'til this. I was just starting to hang out with chicks and overwhelmed by how doing so rocked my senses. And then John Lennon went and made a movie in my head of what the next step might be like. And it was wiiiild, man, crazy, baby.
6. I Me Mine - my favorite George and the song I can't WAIT to cover. As some of you know, I'm writing a musical and, if it hits, the first thing i'm going to do with my success is option the rights to make a sequel to the movie version of Breakfast at Tiffany's. My update, set in 1982, has Holly & Paul's daughter, Tiffany Varjak, inheriting the brownstone her father bought with the money he made writing about Holly. Tiff has just missed punk and she's a girl anyway so she satisfies herself by singing punk covers of her favorite rock songs on the piano at clubs around town, which works her up so much, she ends up trashing the clubs and picking fights but she's so hot she gets away with it. A young stockbroker who rents a pad in her building gets to be the CapoteWitness of all this and i found a way to make Mr. Yunioshi (now like 90) even creepier than Rooney played him. Anyway, her three best covers are Manic Depression, Ruby Tuesday (which she dedicates to her period) and a version of I, Me Mine that has her screaming IIIIIIIIIII, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, MEEEEEEEEEE, MIIIIIIIIIINE while completely beating up the piano. It plays better in my head than any scene i've ever written.
7. Blackbird - my favorite Paul and I can't sing along to it without it triggering that little cry box in me gullet
8. Run For Your Life - it isn't really but it's my way of tracking Lennon's evolution in his attitude toward women. He was a pretty scary woman hater, as were we all when we couldnt understand the power they had over us. "I'm a Loser" shows the cracks beginning to form and over the next decade (with the great help of the otherwise regrettable Yoko Ono) he worked it thru and helped me and countless others do the same. Thank You.
9. Tomorrow Never Comes - no George Martin and I ain't writing this. Come on...
10. Cocker's "With a Little Help From me Friends" - covers covers and Ringo (who taught us all more than any drummer where beats could be).
1. In My Life - so far above in so many ways. What you young'uns dont get was how social, tribal even, musical choices were when it all exploded. I mean, I'll never forget walking to school the morning after Beatles on Ed Sullivan because you could just feel how the world had changed but still, the Stones were right on their heels and you had to ####### choose. I chose Stones, so there was no Beatle paraphernalia i didn't draw zits & googly eyes on (we'd have turned Ringo nose into a #### if we'd thought of it), no too few ways i could put down the folkies, a li'l Motown was OK but Beach Boys, greaser Elvis, pop, ptuui, ptuuui, ptuuuui. But Revolver pricked up my ears and then Rubber Soul blew me away. I bought em both and hid em deeper than my Playboys til Sgt Pepper blew the lid off everything and let all of us back in.
And then there was my Mary. Six feet one of ragebeast, with a thousand reasons to be mad and a million ways to show it. And only ONE way to calm her down - get physical hold of her, start singing In My Life in her ear til i could rock her into a dance. She never cried, but invisible bats would release from her like something in Green Mile and she would chill so there's that.
2. And I Love Her - There are three songs that i can sing the #### out of - Since I Fell For You, You Don't Know Me & this. It is soooo much better a soul song than it is a pop song and I will put my cover of it over every Beatles cover but Cocker's Friends.
3. A Day in the Life - It changed everything. It just did.
4. Back in the USSR - The Beatles are eternal as a pop band, not a rock band, but that made it soooo much better when they str8up rocked out, like this and Helter Skelter.
5. Norwegian Wood - I had no idea a song could pick you up and put you somewhere 'til this. I was just starting to hang out with chicks and overwhelmed by how doing so rocked my senses. And then John Lennon went and made a movie in my head of what the next step might be like. And it was wiiiild, man, crazy, baby.
6. I Me Mine - my favorite George and the song I can't WAIT to cover. As some of you know, I'm writing a musical and, if it hits, the first thing i'm going to do with my success is option the rights to make a sequel to the movie version of Breakfast at Tiffany's. My update, set in 1982, has Holly & Paul's daughter, Tiffany Varjak, inheriting the brownstone her father bought with the money he made writing about Holly. Tiff has just missed punk and she's a girl anyway so she satisfies herself by singing punk covers of her favorite rock songs on the piano at clubs around town, which works her up so much, she ends up trashing the clubs and picking fights but she's so hot she gets away with it. A young stockbroker who rents a pad in her building gets to be the CapoteWitness of all this and i found a way to make Mr. Yunioshi (now like 90) even creepier than Rooney played him. Anyway, her three best covers are Manic Depression, Ruby Tuesday (which she dedicates to her period) and a version of I, Me Mine that has her screaming IIIIIIIIIII, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, MEEEEEEEEEE, MIIIIIIIIIINE while completely beating up the piano. It plays better in my head than any scene i've ever written.
7. Blackbird - my favorite Paul and I can't sing along to it without it triggering that little cry box in me gullet
8. Run For Your Life - it isn't really but it's my way of tracking Lennon's evolution in his attitude toward women. He was a pretty scary woman hater, as were we all when we couldnt understand the power they had over us. "I'm a Loser" shows the cracks beginning to form and over the next decade (with the great help of the otherwise regrettable Yoko Ono) he worked it thru and helped me and countless others do the same. Thank You.
9. Tomorrow Never Comes - no George Martin and I ain't writing this. Come on...
10. Cocker's "With a Little Help From me Friends" - covers covers and Ringo (who taught us all more than any drummer where beats could be).
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krista4
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OK, I'm gonna do this. Could I enlist the help of one of the experts in here to give me something we can all agree on as the definitive list I should use? What I"m envisioning is all released songs other than any live versions.Uruk-Hai said:
I'll start a new thread so as not to muck this one up. Will rate just one version of each, a non-live version of my choosing because the version makes a gigantic difference to me with a few of these songs. Definitely including covers though I'll admit that only one jumps out as being high on my list. I only love a cover song if (1) the original could be improved upon, and (2) the cover does something different with the song.
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Uruk-Hai
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I'd say, do it here. It's not like a lot of news is coming in.
I think the Beatles covers were a little different than most, but I'll leave that for another discussion.
Eephus
Footballguy
I have utmost faith in you but this is going to end up like Tim's Russian Revolution thread
krista4
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maxwelledison
Footballguy
The 13 British releases plus the Past Masters albums make up the definitive catalog, if I understand correctly.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I'll take a stab at my top five-ish
- I've Just Seen a Face - I did not realize it at the time, but in years 14-25, the essence of this song looped through my mind, 24x7.
- A Day in the Life - Stops me in my tracks, every single time.
- Hide Your Love Away - Stops me in my tracks, every single time. In a world where I worship angst, this is one of my gods.
- Nowhere Man -
- Get Back - Don't know for sure, but I think this is the first song I liked, a lot. Actually, Tommy James' Crimson and Clover gets that honor (I can remember being five years-old, dying for this song to play next on the radio) ... and now I'm ####### depressed to think that what song song played next on the radio was my biggest concern when I was five years old.
krista4
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rockaction
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rockaction
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krista4
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I still have only had time to read these last couple of pages plus the first page of this thread, but I'm pleasantly surprised to see I've Just Seen a Face on a couple of favorites lists.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
https://www.smallbusinessdecisions.com/prioritization-methods-pairwise-comparison-ranking-to-reduce-ambiguitiy/Thanks. I think this gives me 231 songs to rank. No sweat.
Can be a helpful tool doing stuff like this. Probably worth breaking them up into bins and then doing each bin separately. Otherwise it can get overwhelming.
ETA: not sure how many choices it can handle. But the idea is good either way.
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krista4
Footballguy
Love at First Sight, First Love, Self Love, Crazy-Monkey-Sex-Love, and ???
This is some serious ####. I am starting by separating into three tiers, which I think is a variation on the "bins"?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yeah... tiers. I just meant that if you could separate them first you cut way down on the # of comparisons.
Maybe overkill...no, OK. Overkill.
But I've used that tool several times over the last bunch of years for something like this. Gets around the problem of liking A better than B, B better than C and C better than A because you're going to make a whole bunch of comparisons and add things up at the end.
Mister CIA
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