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gianmarco

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Let's hopefully start to embrace a new era where we return to normal and hopefully start to work together again.

I think Biden winning but the Republicans likely keeping the Senate is a good thing in order to help promote that healing.

I can't say I'm 100% convinced they will start to work together, but I think this is our best shot at it happening.  So, in that spirit, let's try to keep this thread as a place to discuss things that are happening civilly.  A place where we don't come in with baseless accusations or whataboutisms or other nonsense from the last several years (yes, even before Trump).  A place where we don't attack the other side just because they are the other side.

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gianmarco said:
Let's hopefully start to embrace a new era where we return to normal and hopefully start to work together again.

I think Biden winning but the Republicans likely keeping the Senate is a good thing in order to help promote that healing.

I can't say I'm 100% convinced they will start to work together, but I think this is our best shot at it happening.  So, in that spirit, let's try to keep this thread as a place to discuss things that are happening civilly.  A place where we don't come in with baseless accusations or whataboutisms or other nonsense from the last several years (yes, even before Trump).  A place where we don't attack the other side just because they are the other side.

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I largely agree with your post, but perhaps the Senate should let the president select his cabinet members. 

 
I will start and this is obviously coming from someone on the right...I think one of the most important things I need to see is members of the left help stop "the cancel culture" mentality...you just can't keep calling people racists, homophobes or whatever other derogatory term is now fashionable if they are merely voicing an opinion you don't agree with...if there is going to be civility there needs to be the realization there is going to be a lot of disagreements and we can't go from 0-100mph on the hate scale in 10 seconds which so many on both sides currently do.

 
Boston said:
I will start and this is obviously coming from someone on the right...I think one of the most important things I need to see is members of the left help stop "the cancel culture" mentality...you just can't keep calling people racists, homophobes or whatever other derogatory term is now fashionable if they are merely voicing an opinion you don't agree with...if there is going to be civility there needs to be the realization there is going to be a lot of disagreements and we can't go from 0-100mph on the hate scale in 10 seconds which so many on both sides currently do.
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With respect to the bolded, and I'm not suggesting you're doing it here, something that everyone needs to do is stop defining "the other side" as the worst random internet actors.  "Jane Doe on the internet" is not "the left".  "John Doe on the internet" is not "the right".  Cable TV and talk radio opinion shows are probably the most guilty of this.

If this doesn't stop, healing and uniting will be impossible.

 
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With respect to the bolded, and I'm not suggesting you're doing it here, something that everyone needs to do is stop defining "the other side" as the worst random internet actors.  "Jane Doe on the internet" is not "the left".  "John Doe on the internet" is not "the right".  Cable TV and talk radio opinion shows are probably the most guilty of this.

If this doesn't stop, healing and uniting will be impossible.
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I was actually doing it because I believe it is true and I do agree with you...trust me I fully understand that both sides have their bad apples I just feel this is one of the biggest issues from my perspective that needs to be tackled until we can move forward.

 
Boston said:
I was actually doing it because I believe it is true and I do agree with you...trust me I fully understand that both sides have their bad apples I just feel this is one of the biggest issues from my perspective that needs to be tackled until we can move forward.
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I do think you're going to see a huge improvement in this simply due to the removal of Trump.  I would hope so and agree with your sentiment.

 
gianmarco said:
I do think you're going to see a huge improvement in this simply due to the removal of Trump.  I would hope so and agree with your sentiment.
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I think the trend towards describing the worst fringe actors as representative of those one disagrees with will continue unabated.  I think it's a less of function of "Trump" than it is a function of easy access to the internet, social media, and the ability for everyone to easily see the actions of the worst fringe actors.

Hate and fear are the two most powerful emotions.

 
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Great idea for a thread.   At the end of the day, most of us are nearer to the middle and close to each other in principles and ideas than what is portrayed.  

 
FUBAR said:
I largely agree with your post, but perhaps the Senate should let the president select his cabinet members. 
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IMO the standard should be that the senate confirms any reasonable person the president puts forward.  These should be near-automatics.

 
Boston said:
I will start and this is obviously coming from someone on the right...I think one of the most important things I need to see is members of the left help stop "the cancel culture" mentality...you just can't keep calling people racists, homophobes or whatever other derogatory term is now fashionable if they are merely voicing an opinion you don't agree with...if there is going to be civility there needs to be the realization there is going to be a lot of disagreements and we can't go from 0-100mph on the hate scale in 10 seconds which so many on both sides currently do.
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I agree with this.  To me, I think this started from a place of acceptance and kindness (protecting people who historically haven't had a voice), but it has morphed a bit to far.  What the perception is what might have started from a place of acceptance and inclusivity has now started to cost people jobs, lives, and has become alienating.   What my hope is that what we are going through is a too far of a correction and it will come back to a place of normalcy.   What also needs to happen is for people to be able to have the room to learn, apologize, and move on with their lives.     What tampers that positivity is my dislike of social media and how that amplifies the extreme voices and gives them too much power.  

That said, and I think this will be better without the POTUS doing it, is that other groups of people also need to resort to the "fake news" stuff in the face of info that goes against what they believe.  IMO that is a less extreme version of what the cancel culture is doing, and people who think cancel culture is horrible should take pause to make sure they aren't participating in a version of it.  

 
Boston said:
Agreed...but if we institute that with regard to Trump the board maybe out of business a month into Scranton Joe's term.
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I’m in favor of never uttering Mr. T’s name again, assuming he eventually concedes the election.

 
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Is there any path forward to discuss Term Limits?
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Should there be...absolutely!  Will there be...no!  One of the only bi-partisan things in this congress is the swamp making sure it works out for them...if we truly want to clean this mess up we need term limits and a law where Congress has to not be in DC but live in their District for about 80% of the year...once these people go to DC they lose touch with reality. 

 
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JAA said:
Is there any path forward to discuss Term Limits?
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Should there be...absolutely!  Will there be...no!  One of the only bi-partisan things in this congress is the swamp making sure it works out for them...if we truly want to clean this mess up we need term limits and a law where Congress has to not be in DC but live in their District for about 80% of the year...once these people go to DC they lose touch with reality
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I’m in.

The only way I know a path forward is for all of us to start voting in regular people at the local level. Literally this may mean voting out incumbents after 6 years. Start asking you local officials to create “guidelines” (not laws) for how many years individuals may be in positions, ESPECIALLY unpaid elected positions.  6 years feel like the right limit to me. 

 
it's gotta be said - and y'all know i'm a lefty but not a partisan, dont post in Trump threads or nothing like that - hoping for constructive answers in a society where 70 million people chose to endorse the person who's been running this country the last four years is a fool's errand. and now the Democratic Party is headed down the same road - ceding power to the loudest voice in the room - with its extremists that the GOP was with the Tea Party a decade ago. we are precisely as broken as our govt. g'luckwiddat -

 
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I'd love to see it, but I fear it's like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.  We were already very divided prior to Trump, and it's gotten 10 times worse in the last few years.  And while Trump in an ideal world would meekly go away and we'd never hear from him again, I don't see it happening.  He and his sons will be non-stop tweeting machines, continuing to stoke the fires and keeping his base riled up.  I hope I am wrong.

 
If Biden wants to make a very bold statement he should denounce this Trump Accountability Project...that would really give him the high ground, especially with AOC advocating for it.

 
Boston said:
Should there be...absolutely!  Will there be...no!  One of the only bi-partisan things in this congress is the swamp making sure it works out for them...if we truly want to clean this mess up we need term limits and a law where Congress has to not be in DC but live in their District for about 80% of the year...once these people go to DC they lose touch with reality. 
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Do term limits solve the lobbyist problem? 

 
Boston said:
Probably helps...but whatever you want to do to solve that issue I am onboard with.
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From what I've gathered applying term limits without addressing lobbyists is lipstick on a pig sorta stuff. It isn't likely to be effective in solving any problem. 

 
I was going to seek common ground with the left by burning down a KFC tonight but honestly I'm a little exhausted scrolling through my Twitter feed. Also I'm fresh out of molotovs.

 
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