The Birther Conspiracy Thread (1 Viewer)

[ericttspikes]

Some funny stuff here.

Scary stuff actually. Gullible people with guns and hatred told lies. This will end well........

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Forger revealed. (sort of)

lol

Interesting that Obama Supporters are into creating forgeries. Maybe we shouldn't be so easily dismissive of those who thought the version which first appeared on DailyKos might be a forgery, as well...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta

August 27, 2009

WASHINGTON–In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.

 

[Statorama]

Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta

August 27, 2009

WASHINGTON–In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.

 

[Statorama]

You think this is something, just wait until a Hispanic candidate can't quite produce his proof of being born in the US.

I'm sure one day we're going to find out Obama wasn't born here, but so what? Really, what's the big deal. If he's lived his formulative years here, it works for me.

 

[NCCommish]

You think this is something, just wait until a Hispanic candidate can't quite produce his proof of being born in the US.I'm sure one day we're going to find out Obama wasn't born here, but so what? Really, what's the big deal. If he's lived his formulative years here, it works for me.

No we're not. Unless we retroactively revoke Hawaii's status as a state. BTW some of the folks would hail that since we stole the place from them anyway.

 

[analog_hiss]

Another swing and miss. Orly Taitz was also threatened with sanctions.

Judge tosses out Army captain's complaint questioning president's birth; Orly Taitz on notice

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Yep, no racism in this country.

If you chalk those numbers up to anything other than racism you'd be, at best, mostly wrong.

I see those talking point e-mails didn't skip anyone.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Isn't about time the thread title was changed to "The Birther Conspiracy continues to dwindle".

 

[Balance]

Yep, no racism in this country.

If you chalk those numbers up to anything other than racism you'd be, at best, mostly wrong.

I see those talking point e-mails didn't skip anyone.

If we isolate just the states below the Mason-Dixon line, apparently 70% of all whites living there either believe he was born in Kenya or are unsure about it.

enlighten me.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

This is almost too awesome.

!! For only $30, you can have a fax sent on your very own behalf to a bunch of political appointees demanding that something be done about this issue!

 

[Bamboo Bill]

I saw Michelle Malkin on some show recently. I found her voice as grating as Ms. Taitz's. For some reason I found Ms. Malkin compelling nonetheless. (She was not speaking on this issue, but was touting some book listing the many many shortcomings of the pres. and his associates.)

She's incredibly intelligent....

link?

 

[analog_hiss]

Big Bird Has gone birther, too.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Orly Taitz filed a frivolous lawsuit, and in response to an order to show why she should not be sanctioned, she filed a frivolous motion accusing the judge of treason. Surprisingly, this did not convince the judge not to sanction her. From his order:

When a lawyer files complaints and motions without a reasonable basis for believing that they are supported by existing law or a modification or extension of existing law, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer uses the courts as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer personally attacks opposing parties and disrespects the integrity of the judiciary, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer recklessly accuses a judge of violating the Judicial Code of Conduct with no supporting evidence beyond her dissatisfaction with the judge's rulings, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law, that lawyer ceases to advance her cause or the ends of justice...

Her response to the Court's show cause order is breathtaking in its arrogance and borders on delusional. She expresses no contrition or regret regarding her misconduct. To the contrary, she continues her baseless attacks on the Court. Defiantly defending the "position of the patriots," she scoffs at the notion that a federal court would consider sanctioning her when she is on the side of such freedom fighters as the late Justice Thurgood Marshall, a comparison that, if accepted, would disgrace Justice Marshall's singular achievements. Counsel's bad faith warrants a substantial sanction.

Counsel's misconduct was not an isolated event; it was part of a pattern that advanced frivolous arguments and disrespectful personal attacks on the parties and the Court. This pattern infected the entire proceeding, not just an isolated pleading. Her initial Complaint was legally frivolous. Upon being so informed, counsel followed it with a frivolous motion for reconsideration. In response to the Court's show cause order, she filed a frivolous motion to recuse. In all of counsel's frivolous filings, she hurled personal insults at the parties and the Court. Rather than assert legitimate legal arguments, counsel chose to accuse the Court of treason and of being controlled by the "Obama Machine." She had no facts to support her claims-but her diatribe would play well to her choir. This pattern of conduct reveals that it will be difficult to get counsel's attention. A significant sanction is necessary to deter such conduct.

Instead of paying the $20K, she is planning to file more frivolous motions.

 

[Insomniac]

Orly Taitz filed a frivolous lawsuit, and in response to an order to show why she should not be sanctioned, she filed a frivolous motion accusing the judge of treason. Surprisingly, this did not convince the judge not to sanction her.

If I ever end up in court I'll try to remember that judges don't have a great sense of humor about being accused of treason. If she doesn't pay the $20K can the judge put her in prison? Can she be disbarred?

 

[urbanhack]

Forger revealed. (sort of)

lol

Interesting that Obama Supporters are into creating forgeries. Maybe we shouldn't be so easily dismissive of those who thought the version which first appeared on DailyKos might be a forgery, as well...

you scare me.

 

[urbanhack]

major league ownage right here

people are still talking about this?

 

[Todd Andrews]

We will always be blessed with kooks. It makes things more interesting.

 

[Choke]

major league ownage right here

people are still talking about this?

Wow. That is like talking to so many of our conservatives right here at FBGs.

 

[bigbottom]

major league ownage right here

people are still talking about this?

No one will send me the facts!

 

[Bronco Billy]

I still don't understand the legs on this whole issue and those who defend Obama's course of action - and for the record, I do believe without exception that Obama was born in Hawaii.

If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?

Why wasn't the same fuss raised when John McCain was forced to defend his citizenship after attacks from the LSM (which he simply provided his long form birth certificate to debunk the claims)?

Honestly - that's a completely reasonable request from any citizen group that the President ought to be happy to oblige in short order.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

major league ownage right here

people are still talking about this?

Unreal. If he believes what he's saying, the man is a moron. If he doesn't believe what he's saying, he should be embarrassed to encourage others to be morons.

 

[Choke]

I still don't understand the legs on this whole issue and those who defend Obama's course of action - and for the record, I do believe without exception that Obama was born in Hawaii.If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?Why wasn't the same fuss raised when John McCain was forced to defend his citizenship after attacks from the LSM (which he simply provided his long form birth certificate to debunk the claims)?Honestly - that's a completely reasonable request from any citizen group that the President ought to be happy to oblige in short order.

Did you watch the video? Its reached levels of unreasonability. You included.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

My favorite is the part where he insists that Obama was illegally traveling in Pakistan.....at a time when the NY Times was writing articles about how easy it was to travel to Pakistan. Are all members of Congress this stupid?

 

[Bronco Billy]

I still don't understand the legs on this whole issue and those who defend Obama's course of action - and for the record, I do believe without exception that Obama was born in Hawaii.If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?Why wasn't the same fuss raised when John McCain was forced to defend his citizenship after attacks from the LSM (which he simply provided his long form birth certificate to debunk the claims)?Honestly - that's a completely reasonable request from any citizen group that the President ought to be happy to oblige in short order.

Did you watch the video? Its reached levels of unreasonability. You included.

I didn't watch the video and could care less what is on it. That doesn't preclude the question of why the President won't provide a simple document - the same document that the Federal government forces me to provide if I am to be allowed documentation to travel across its borders legally - when asked to do so by a group of citizens, no matter what their motives are.

 

[Choke]

I still don't understand the legs on this whole issue and those who defend Obama's course of action - and for the record, I do believe without exception that Obama was born in Hawaii.If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?Why wasn't the same fuss raised when John McCain was forced to defend his citizenship after attacks from the LSM (which he simply provided his long form birth certificate to debunk the claims)?Honestly - that's a completely reasonable request from any citizen group that the President ought to be happy to oblige in short order.

Did you watch the video? Its reached levels of unreasonability. You included.

I didn't watch the video and could care less what is on it. That doesn't preclude the question of why the President won't provide a simple document - the same document that the Federal government forces me to provide if I am to be allowed documentation to travel across its borders legally - when asked to do so by a group of citizens, no matter what their motives are.

Derp Derp.He doesn't have to. (there really is nothing more or less thats needs to be said) Quit being unreasonable. You wouldnt even take a minute to watch the video bump.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Derp Derp.

That's about as good an argument as I could expect you to put forth. Thanks for not disappointing me.

 

[Bronco Billy]

He doesn't have to. (there really is nothing more or less thats needs to be said) Quit being unreasonable.

That conveniently doesn't address my question, does it?

 

[Choke]

Derp Derp.

That's about as good an argument as I could expect you to put forth. Thanks for not disappointing me.

He doesn't have to. (there really is nothing more or less thats needs to be said) Quit being unreasonable. You wouldnt even take a minute to watch the video bump. There is no sense in dealing with you. Its like you are the Rep in the video. Whipe the drool off your chin and move along.

 

[igbomb]

I still don't understand the legs on this whole issue and those who defend Obama's course of action - and for the record, I do believe without exception that Obama was born in Hawaii.If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?Why wasn't the same fuss raised when John McCain was forced to defend his citizenship after attacks from the LSM (which he simply provided his long form birth certificate to debunk the claims)?Honestly - that's a completely reasonable request from any citizen group that the President ought to be happy to oblige in short order.

Did you watch the video? Its reached levels of unreasonability. You included.

I didn't watch the video and could care less what is on it. That doesn't preclude the question of why the President won't provide a simple document - the same document that the Federal government forces me to provide if I am to be allowed documentation to travel across its borders legally - when asked to do so by a group of citizens, no matter what their motives are.

Well for one, as Cooper points out, the form that has been made publicly available is all that is required to secure a passport. There is no additional document that would be required that has not been released.

 

[Choke]

major league ownage right here

people are still talking about this?

Wow. That is like talking to so many of our conservatives right here at FBGs.

It didnt take 5 minutes for Bronco Billy to get a stamp of notarization applied to this.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Looks like AC needs to study up on this issue too

the COLB is not proof of US birth

A statement that the original is on file in accordance with procedure is not proof of this fact either

He needs to have an answer to the question of why dual citizenship ends at 23

That said, the statement by the Gov and the clarification by the Health Director in early 2009 should have put this one to bed. I will still always wonder why the long form birth certificate remains under wraps like its some big secret.

 

[Choke]

the COLB is not proof of US birth

A statement that the original is on file in accordance with procedure is not proof of this fact either

He needs to have an answer to the question of why dual citizenship ends at 23

That said, the statement by the Gov and the clarification by the Health Director in early 2009 should have put this one to bed. I will still always wonder why the long form birth certificate remains under wraps like its some big secret.

When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances http://www.doh.state.fl.us/planning_eval/v...h_cert_info.htm

Which the COLB listed.

http://moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com/...ertificate1.jpg

 

[Bronco Billy]

Well for one, as Cooper points out, the form that has been made publicly available is all that is required to secure a passport. There is no additional document that would be required that has not been released.

I didn't see Cooper's post, but if that was his statement he would be wrong. The US government doesn't accept the certificate of live birth document that is being shown as acceptable for acquiring a passport. In fact, that document is one that can be easily obtained by anyone, including people not born in this country. It is just documentation from Hawaii acknowedging the existance of a person, no more.But again, that shades the issue. The President presides over all people in this country. That is reason enough to accomodate a simple and reasonable request from a group of them asking for a document that should be very simple for him to provide (and would certanily be much more cost effective than sending DoJ representatives into court to head off suits requesting that document).

 

[bigbottom]

I still don't understand the legs on this whole issue and those who defend Obama's course of action - and for the record, I do believe without exception that Obama was born in Hawaii.If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?Why wasn't the same fuss raised when John McCain was forced to defend his citizenship after attacks from the LSM (which he simply provided his long form birth certificate to debunk the claims)?Honestly - that's a completely reasonable request from any citizen group that the President ought to be happy to oblige in short order.

I am fully convinced that the birthers are so bat#### crazy that the production of the long form birth certificate would not satisfy them. Nothing else to date (certificate of live birth, attestation of the Hawaii governor and state officials, contemporaneous newspaper announcements of the birth, etc.) has satisfied them. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly become sane logical people.

 

[Choke]

O'Reilly Taitz posted again in this thread I see.

 

[Choke]

I still don't understand the legs on this whole issue and those who defend Obama's course of action - and for the record, I do believe without exception that Obama was born in Hawaii.If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?Why wasn't the same fuss raised when John McCain was forced to defend his citizenship after attacks from the LSM (which he simply provided his long form birth certificate to debunk the claims)?Honestly - that's a completely reasonable request from any citizen group that the President ought to be happy to oblige in short order.

I am fully convinced that the birthers are so bat#### crazy that the production of the long form birth certificate would not satisfy them. Nothing else to date (certificate of live birth, attestation of the Hawaii governor and state officials, contemporaneous newspaper announcements of the birth, etc.) has satisfied them. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly become sane logical people.

They would just claim victory and move on to the next attack.They can sit and spin in their own hatred on this one.

 

[timschochet]

Are all members of Congress this stupid?

To be fair to Congress, this guy is not a member. He is from the Texas state House of Representatives. That being said, there are a few federal congressmen who have repeated this stuff, though not to the extent of this guy.

 

[bigbottom]

Well for one, as Cooper points out, the form that has been made publicly available is all that is required to secure a passport. There is no additional document that would be required that has not been released.

I didn't see Cooper's post, but if that was his statement he would be wrong. The US government doesn't accept the certificate of live birth document that is being shown as acceptable for acquiring a passport. In fact, that document is one that can be easily obtained by anyone, including people not born in this country. It is just documentation from Hawaii acknowedging the existance of a person, no more.But again, that shades the issue. The President presides over all people in this country. That is reason enough to accomodate a simple and reasonable request from a group of them asking for a document that should be very simple for him to provide (and would certanily be much more cost effective than sending DoJ representatives into court to head off suits requesting that document).

He's already provided the long form birth certificate to the federal government prior to his election, and his citizenship status has been verified by the U.S. government. not sure why that's not good enough.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I am fully convinced that the birthers are so bat#### crazy that the production of the long form birth certificate would not satisfy them. Nothing else to date (certificate of live birth, attestation of the Hawaii governor and state officials, contemporaneous newspaper announcements of the birth, etc.) has satisfied them. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly become sane logical people.

Again, what difference does that make? Obama should gladly oblige even bat#### crazy constituents if they are asking for something that should be so easy to produce. He is after all their President also, is he not? And they aren't asking for soemthing that the federal goverment itself doesn't ask from millions of its own citizens in order to obtain the ability to legally travel across the border.This really should be a no-brainer, and it's difficult to figure out why people defend the way he is handling this.

 

[Bronco Billy]

He's already provided the long form birth certificate to the federal government prior to his election

Can you provide documentation to support this claim? And if he did in fact do so, why is it such a secret now?

 

[urbanhack]

I am fully convinced that the birthers are so bat#### crazy that the production of the long form birth certificate would not satisfy them. Nothing else to date (certificate of live birth, attestation of the Hawaii governor and state officials, contemporaneous newspaper announcements of the birth, etc.) has satisfied them. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly become sane logical people.

Obama should gladly oblige even bat#### crazy constituents....

And validate them? No.

 

[urbanhack]

He's already provided the long form birth certificate to the federal government prior to his election

Can you provide documentation to support this claim? And if he did in fact do so, why is it such a secret now?

Can we officially put you in both the birther and tea party camps yet?

 

[bigbottom]

He's already provided the long form birth certificate to the federal government prior to his election

Can you provide documentation to support this claim?

Is this a good enough source?:

If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?

 

[Jewell]

I still don't understand the legs on this whole issue and those who defend Obama's course of action - and for the record, I do believe without exception that Obama was born in Hawaii.If I am required to not only show but make available for 2 weeks my long form birth certificate to the US government in order to obtain a passport, why is it that the President of the United States does not have to provide the same long form birth certificate if a group of his constituents demands to see it, especially given the Constitutional qualifications for President?Why wasn't the same fuss raised when John McCain was forced to defend his citizenship after attacks from the LSM (which he simply provided his long form birth certificate to debunk the claims)?Honestly - that's a completely reasonable request from any citizen group that the President ought to be happy to oblige in short order.

That's a very fair, reasoned approach. I also think Obama was born in Hawaii, but I also think that he easily could have resolved this whole thing rather than hiring a legal team to obfuscate the issue. The current case that the Supreme Court denied certiorari (Kerchner) is slightly different than the other challenges. This case is more about defining "natural born citizen" rather than saying Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, although, Kerchner's attorney was still asking Obama to produce the much ballyhooed long form certificate.

 

[Choke]

I am fully convinced that the birthers are so bat#### crazy that the production of the long form birth certificate would not satisfy them. Nothing else to date (certificate of live birth, attestation of the Hawaii governor and state officials, contemporaneous newspaper announcements of the birth, etc.) has satisfied them. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly become sane logical people.

Again, what difference does that make? Obama should gladly oblige even bat#### crazy constituents if they are asking for something that should be so easy to produce. He is after all their President also, is he not? And they aren't asking for soemthing that the federal goverment itself doesn't ask from millions of its own citizens in order to obtain the ability to legally travel across the border.This really should be a no-brainer, and it's difficult to figure out why people defend the way he is handling this.

He did. He produced what the state of Hawaii made the decision upon. furthermore...

Asked about this, Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo stated that Hawaii "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate".[12] Moreover, the director of her Department has confirmed that the state "has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".[13][14]

 

[bigbottom]

Obama should gladly oblige even bat#### crazy constituents

I disagree.

This really should be a no-brainer, and it's difficult to figure out why people defend the way he is handling this.

No doubt, he has a reason for not caving to the demands. Perhaps it's one of the following:1) There is something on the birth certificate that he'd rather not disclose publicly (perhaps a reference to being muslim, maybe the age of his morther, who knows)2) Caving to loons with an agenda will only encourage more attacks from the bat#### crazy contingent.3) Having the bat#### crazy loons continue to spout off has a negative effect on the legitimacy of genuine policy opponents.These may be good reasons, or horrible reasons. But regardless of what the reason is, it doesn't take anything away from the fact that the birthers are still bat#### crazy.

 

[Jewell]

major league ownage right here

people are still talking about this?

Wow. That is like talking to so many of our conservatives right here at FBGs.

Here, if you hate what the FBG conservatives have to say, spend some time with this....See those who have raised questions about the legitimacy of Obama presidency

Warning to Choke: Opposing view contained inside link.

 

[Bronco Billy]

He did. He produced what the state of Hawaii made the decision upon.

furthermore...

Asked about this, Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo stated that Hawaii "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate".[12] Moreover, the director of her Department has confirmed that the state "has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".[13][14]

So you are saying that Hawaii is certifying that it has a form on document that only one sentence earlier it says does not exist?Well, who could possibly argue with that?

 

[Choke]

the fact that the birthers are still bat#### crazy.

Or purely out of hate.