The Birther Conspiracy Thread (3 Viewers)

[Sam Quentin]

I thought Birthers only happen when you're black, though?

The Irish were basically the black people of the 1800s.

That is true. They need not apply to the Presidency.

such was the fate of late 19th century Presidential aspirant Bearrach O'Bama...

 

[timschochet]

Tony JabroniStanley JablonskyHaywood JablomeTim, your attention to these questions would be appreciated...

If a Little League team asked me for my son's birth certificate, and was not satisfied with a Certificate of Live Birth, I would tell them to go #### themselves. It wouldn't matter what my son's name was.If my son was named John Smith, I would assume that whoever asked me for more evidence was simply crazy.If my son had an African or "foreign" sounding name, I would assume that whoever asked me was both crazy AND racist.Have I answered you questions satisfactorily, Haywood? Or do you need to know more?

and you stand by your logical inconsistency here?

Can you remind me what that logical inconsistency is? Somehow I've forgotten it.

 

[bigbottom]

It is my life's mission to visit the spot every president was born at. Can someone point me to the exact location on Hawaii was Obama was born. I would like to mark the spot.

Too bad John McCain didn't win the election. That way, there would be no question that our president was born in the United States.

 

[Sam Quentin]

It is my life's mission to visit the spot every president was born at. Can someone point me to the exact location on Hawaii was Obama was born. I would like to mark the spot.

Too bad John McCain didn't win the election. That way, there would be no question that our president was born in the United States.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Tony JabroniStanley JablonskyHaywood JablomeTim, your attention to these questions would be appreciated...

If a Little League team asked me for my son's birth certificate, and was not satisfied with a Certificate of Live Birth, I would tell them to go #### themselves. It wouldn't matter what my son's name was.If my son was named John Smith, I would assume that whoever asked me for more evidence was simply crazy.If my son had an African or "foreign" sounding name, I would assume that whoever asked me was both crazy AND racist.Have I answered you questions satisfactorily, Haywood? Or do you need to know more?

and you stand by your logical inconsistency here?

Can you remind me what that logical inconsistency is? Somehow I've forgotten it.

:facepalm:

 

[timschochet]

Tony JabroniStanley JablonskyHaywood JablomeTim, your attention to these questions would be appreciated...

If a Little League team asked me for my son's birth certificate, and was not satisfied with a Certificate of Live Birth, I would tell them to go #### themselves. It wouldn't matter what my son's name was.If my son was named John Smith, I would assume that whoever asked me for more evidence was simply crazy.If my son had an African or "foreign" sounding name, I would assume that whoever asked me was both crazy AND racist.Have I answered you questions satisfactorily, Haywood? Or do you need to know more?

and you stand by your logical inconsistency here?

Can you remind me what that logical inconsistency is? Somehow I've forgotten it.

:facepalm:

Can anyone else figure out what he's talking about?

 

[the moops]

There is no "e" in honky, moreoff...

Honky (also spelled honkie or sometimes honkey)

 

[bueno]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

 

[pantagrapher]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

 

[bigbottom]

Can you remind me what that logical inconsistency is? Somehow I've forgotten it.

:facepalm:

Can anyone else figure out what he's talking about?

I think so. Your original premise was based on having an African or foreign sounding name:

If:

1. You were Black and had a "foreign" sounding name

2. You gave them a Certificate of Live Birth

3. The Little League people then demanded to see the "long form"

I think you'd be a little suspicious, and well within your rights to tell them to go #### themselves. I would.

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

If a Little League team asked me for my son's birth certificate, and was not satisfied with a Certificate of Live Birth, I would tell them to go #### themselves. It wouldn't matter what my son's name was.

 

[bigbottom]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

:(

 

[bigbottom]

I'm going to play the role of a birther.

Will someone please prove to me that John McCain was eligible to become president? Because we may have narrowly missed having an illegitimate Commander in Chief!

 

[cosjobs]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

 

[timschochet]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

 

[timschochet]

I'm going to play the role of a birther. Will someone please prove to me that John McCain was eligible to become president? Because we may have narrowly missed having an illegitimate Commander in Chief!

If McCain had been elected, this issue would have come up, and perhaps a few thousand people would have raised it. But it would NOT have been questioned by 40% of Democrats. It would have stayed a very tiny minority of people who believed there was some question. I am convinced that the large numbers of birthers on the conservative side has to do with racism. I don't like to think this, but there really is no other conclusion that makes any kind of sense.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

more like you gave them a URL for an elctronic copy of the COLB, knowing that a COLB can be obtained a for foreign birth.now imagine the questioner is black

 

[bigbottom]

I'm going to play the role of a birther. Will someone please prove to me that John McCain was eligible to become president? Because we may have narrowly missed having an illegitimate Commander in Chief!

If McCain had been elected, this issue would have come up, and perhaps a few thousand people would have raised it. But it would NOT have been questioned by 40% of Democrats. It would have stayed a very tiny minority of people who believed there was some question. I am convinced that the large numbers of birthers on the conservative side has to do with racism. I don't like to think this, but there really is no other conclusion that makes any kind of sense.

So no proof?

 

[cr8f]

Let them secede. Most of the states that cry the most about federal spending and bashing the feds are the ones benefitting most by it. Alaska is the worst but LA, Ms and Al are also high on the list.

Like Kentucky-

While its small-government crusaders decry Obama’s budget and government spending, the Bluegrass State is thriving on D.C. welfare. Paul Begala says it’s the perfect place for a truly democratic experiment.

The great Mark Shields has said that most Americans are theoretical conservatives but operational liberals. I think Shields is right. In fact, we ought to make it a law of political analysis: According to Shields’ Law, the same people who vote for politicians who pledge to slash government spending are appalled when the politicians they elect actually slash government spending.

From left, Sen. Rand Paul and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, both of Kentucky.

No mother wants to see her child crammed into an overcrowded classroom, where she can experience the joys of head lice. I've never been to a community meeting where anyone said, "I'd like to wait longer for an ambulance," or, "I hope America stops spending all that money on cancer research." Nor did I see anyone at a Tea Party rally burning his Medicare card.

When talking about taxes, the late Sen. Russell Long once said, "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind that tree." And so it is with cutting government spending.

Take Kentucky, please. Kentucky has given us Makers Mark bourbon, Churchill Downs, and Kentucky Fried Chicken. Kentucky has also given us Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell, tea party favorite Sen. Rand Paul and House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers. While Rogers was once dubbed the "Prince of Pork" and McConnell has hauled so much pork he's at risk for trichinosis, they are now converts to Sen. Paul's anti-government gospel. McConnell says President Obama's new budget is "unserious" and "irresponsible" because it merely cuts projected deficits by $1.1 trillion. “The people who voted for a new direction in November have a five-word response," McConnell said, "We don’t have the money.”

Kentuckians are addicted to federal spending—they're the Lindsay Lohan of states, the Charlie Sheen of commonwealths.

Fair enough. So here's my two-word response: Defund Kentucky. Cut it off the federal dole. Kentucky is a welfare state to begin with. The conservative Tax Foundation says the Bluegrass State received $1.51 back from Washington for every dollar it paid in federal taxes in 2005 (the most recent data I could find on the Tax Foundation's website.) We need to listen to the people of Kentucky. They don't want any more federal spending in their state—and they certainly must be appalled by the notion that they're a bunch of welfare queens, living off the taxes paid by blue states like California (which only gets 81 cents back on the dollar), Connecticut (69 cents), Illinois (75 cents) and New York (79 cents).

A report in the Lexington Herald-Leader says 80 percent of Kentucky's Medicaid bill is paid by Washington and more than one in five Kentuckians receives a monthly check from the Social Security System, totaling $8.5 billion a year. Washington also spends over $2 billion a year on flood insurance for Kentuckians, $667 million in crop insurance, and $877 million in mortgage insurance. Plus the Bluegrass State is home to federal facilities ranging from Ft. Knox to the Department of Energy's Gaseous Diffusion Plant in Paducah.

The Herald-Leader also pointed out that the USDA—the giant federal agriculture bureaucracy in Barack Obama's Big Government—gave Kentucky's Letcher County $100,000 for a new fire truck. Anyone want to guess who the good people of Letcher County voted for in the 2008 presidential election? You got it. John McCain got 65 percent. But maybe that's because the patriotic folks there loved a war hero. So let's look at 2010: Rand Paul's crusade against federal spending carried the day in Letcher County.

So give the people what they want. Defy Shields’ Law. Defund Kentucky. Kentuckians are addicted to federal spending—they're the Lindsay Lohan of states, the Charlie Sheen of commonwealths.

Let's put them in detox. By trying this experiment in one state we can honor the conservatives' belief in states' rights, allowing Kentucky to truly be a laboratory of democracy. If it were up to me, they'd go cold turkey—not one federal dime. But that may be going too far, too soon. So, I have to ask Kentucky, with all due respect: Can we just reclaim the extra 51 cents you take from Washington for every tax dollar you send? Can we transfer our gold from Ft. Knox to, say, San Francisco? They actually like federal spending there, so holding our federal gold will not offend their moral standards. And let's put that Gaseous Diffusion Plant in...well, on second thought, keep it, Kentucky. I'm not sure what it is, but it kind of sounds like my teenage boys' room after burrito night.

But can we at least have our firetruck back?

Paul Begala is a CNN political contributor and a research professor at Georgetown University's Public Policy Institute. He was a senior strategist for the 1992 Clinton-Gore campaign and served as counselor to President Clinton in the White House.

 

[Sarnoff]

Let them secede. Most of the states that cry the most about federal spending and bashing the feds are the ones benefitting most by it. Alaska is the worst but LA, Ms and Al are also high on the list.

Wut? How's this on topic?Or are you just drive-by threadspamming again?

 

[jon_mx]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple. It is a partisan issue pure and simple. No different than when the left, including mainstream sources like 60 minutes, tried to make hay out of Bush's national guard service. If Obama was a conservative, most everyone on this board would have flipped sides and be making the opposite points they are making here.

 

[bigbottom]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple. It is a partisan issue pure and simple. No different than when the left, including mainstream sources like 60 minutes, tried to make hay out of Bush's national guard service. If Obama was a conservative, most everyone on this board would have flipped sides and be making the opposite points they are making here.

I'm trying to do just that with McCain! But no one wants to play.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I'm going to play the role of a birther. Will someone please prove to me that John McCain was eligible to become president? Because we may have narrowly missed having an illegitimate Commander in Chief!

I understood that this matter was actually taken up by congress. He was born, if I understand correctly, of American parents, on an american military installation in the panama canal zone. Congress itself saw the proof and determined that births under such circumstances anount to natural born citizens. I understand that congress also opined that this would be the case for diplomatic personnel assigned to diplomatic postings whether the child was born at embassy grounds (American Soil) or in ocal hospitals. This is just an understanding from listening to talking heads. I have not researched the matter personally.The anti-birthers like constructing easy straw men arguments that the entire matter is about his place of birth. I get that for some extremists that is the issue. They actually believe he was born in Kenya. My guess, however, and only a guess it is because I am not part of that belief or movement, is that they are a very small percentage of those who have questions about Obama. The reason the anti-birthers like this argument is because they believe when it is shut down they will have answered the issue, but the issue is larger than just birth or citizenship. the issue is the comprehensive background of the president. He has yet to truly be vetted by congress or by the people. This far he is an unnkown.In my mind most so called birthers are actually people who will concede or who actually believe the greater weight of the evidence is that he was born in Hawaii. That does not settle their inquiry into the man since we do not have nearly the documentation we on him that we have had on even presidents born in other centuries. They want to know something of his schooling, and his other records such as health, and selective service. They wish to know how he afforded and funded school, how he performed on the Bar exam and whether he remains in good standing. they wish to know something of the clients he represented to the extent that the information itself is not privileged. they wish to know who the man is by his life history. These questions are not outrageous nor unusual. Others have routinely provided the same. We got to know about Reagan's divorce and health. We got to know the school transcripts of Bush and Gore. We got the same from Kerry. We knew where Clinton schooled and how he did. The same for Carter, Kennedy, Eisenhauer and so forth. Only Obamaa has an incomplete resume`. I know more about the backgrounds of entry level cops in my city than I do about the President. He has not been forthcoming in any reasonable regard. Noting this does not make me a whacko, it makes me aware of the campaigns in my lifetime, and the fact that he stands alone in the absence of information known for certain about him.I note that today I had to get a new passport for my child, her last having expired. To do so both my wife and I had to appear together, with government issued I.D., with our child, and with her prievious passport and with her original birth certificate. We did not insist that the postal employee take our word on matters, we produced the documents. I do not believe it is unreasonable that obama do the same.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple.

You really believe that if he was white and his name was Whitey McWhiterson stated to be born in Utah that this idiocy would be continuing on today?

 

[timschochet]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple. It is a partisan issue pure and simple. No different than when the left, including mainstream sources like 60 minutes, tried to make hay out of Bush's national guard service. If Obama was a conservative, most everyone on this board would have flipped sides and be making the opposite points they are making here.

You're as wrong as you've ever been. This has EVERYTHING to with race. Without race and Obama's unusual name, I guarantee this would not be an issue.

 

[Da Guru]

Not any better than the "n" word, the "j" word or any other racist word you prefer...

Now I despise obama but not because of his race or ethnicity but because of his policies and what I see as the destruction of our country...

Which ones specifically?p.s. what is the "j" word?

Jesus...

Jesus is a racist word?

It's pronounced "HAY-SOOS"

Hay-soos kee-rist.

 

[Fennis]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple.

You really believe that if he was white and his name was Whitey McWhiterson stated to be born in Utah that this idiocy would be continuing on today?

Why'd he? Not Whitey.

 

[bueno]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

Spending as much time and money as has been spent to not release a certified copy is nuts. The number I hear is $2 million. And for what? Obama seems to me to be the one that is crazy on this issue.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple. It is a partisan issue pure and simple. No different than when the left, including mainstream sources like 60 minutes, tried to make hay out of Bush's national guard service. If Obama was a conservative, most everyone on this board would have flipped sides and be making the opposite points they are making here.

I'm trying to do just that with McCain! But no one wants to play.

Ill play along... GET OVER IT! McCAIN WON... QUIT BEING A MASSIVE GAGGLE OF CRYBABIES WHO WANT TO "Take Their Ball and Go Home"!

 

[Fennis]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

Spending as much time and money as has been spent to not release a certified copy is nuts. The number I hear is $2 million. And for what? Obama seems to me to be the one that is crazy on this issue.

who spent $2 million?

 

[Da Guru]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

Spending as much time and money as has been spent to not release a certified copy is nuts. The number I hear is $2 million. And for what? Obama seems to me to be the one that is crazy on this issue.

Show the dam BC and end this nonsense!!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

Spending as much time and money as has been spent to not release a certified copy is nuts. The number I hear is $2 million. And for what? Obama seems to me to be the one that is crazy on this issue.

Show the dam BC and end this nonsense!!

No way in hell!!!You would rather have these crazy bastards focusing on this tomfoolery like a bunch of tards that they are.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

Spending as much time and money as has been spent to not release a certified copy is nuts. The number I hear is $2 million. And for what? Obama seems to me to be the one that is crazy on this issue.

Good stuff as always.

 

[jon_mx]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple. It is a partisan issue pure and simple. No different than when the left, including mainstream sources like 60 minutes, tried to make hay out of Bush's national guard service. If Obama was a conservative, most everyone on this board would have flipped sides and be making the opposite points they are making here.

You're as wrong as you've ever been. This has EVERYTHING to with race. Without race and Obama's unusual name, I guarantee this would not be an issue.

Tim, I am sorry but your ability to read minds is not all that good. This really is no different than the national guard story. Neither story was ever going to make the slightest difference. It is just people desperately looking for a reason to upend a President whose policies they can't support. Conservatives love Clarence Thomas. It is 99% politics and maybe 1% race. Don't project motives you have no clue about.

 

[timschochet]

I'm going to play the role of a birther. Will someone please prove to me that John McCain was eligible to become president? Because we may have narrowly missed having an illegitimate Commander in Chief!

I understood that this matter was actually taken up by congress. He was born, if I understand correctly, of American parents, on an american military installation in the panama canal zone. Congress itself saw the proof and determined that births under such circumstances anount to natural born citizens. I understand that congress also opined that this would be the case for diplomatic personnel assigned to diplomatic postings whether the child was born at embassy grounds (American Soil) or in ocal hospitals. This is just an understanding from listening to talking heads. I have not researched the matter personally.The anti-birthers like constructing easy straw men arguments that the entire matter is about his place of birth. I get that for some extremists that is the issue. They actually believe he was born in Kenya. My guess, however, and only a guess it is because I am not part of that belief or movement, is that they are a very small percentage of those who have questions about Obama. The reason the anti-birthers like this argument is because they believe when it is shut down they will have answered the issue, but the issue is larger than just birth or citizenship. the issue is the comprehensive background of the president. He has yet to truly be vetted by congress or by the people. This far he is an unnkown.In my mind most so called birthers are actually people who will concede or who actually believe the greater weight of the evidence is that he was born in Hawaii. That does not settle their inquiry into the man since we do not have nearly the documentation we on him that we have had on even presidents born in other centuries. They want to know something of his schooling, and his other records such as health, and selective service. They wish to know how he afforded and funded school, how he performed on the Bar exam and whether he remains in good standing. they wish to know something of the clients he represented to the extent that the information itself is not privileged. they wish to know who the man is by his life history. These questions are not outrageous nor unusual. Others have routinely provided the same. We got to know about Reagan's divorce and health. We got to know the school transcripts of Bush and Gore. We got the same from Kerry. We knew where Clinton schooled and how he did. The same for Carter, Kennedy, Eisenhauer and so forth. Only Obamaa has an incomplete resume`. I know more about the backgrounds of entry level cops in my city than I do about the President. He has not been forthcoming in any reasonable regard. Noting this does not make me a whacko, it makes me aware of the campaigns in my lifetime, and the fact that he stands alone in the absence of information known for certain about him.I note that today I had to get a new passport for my child, her last having expired. To do so both my wife and I had to appear together, with government issued I.D., with our child, and with her prievious passport and with her original birth certificate. We did not insist that the postal employee take our word on matters, we produced the documents. I do not believe it is unreasonable that obama do the same.

You sound so reasonable and yet you are spouting the most unreasonable stuff. I just got a passport too, and I couldn't find my original birth certificate, so I produced a certificate of live birth, which was accepted.There is nothing missing from Obama's records. I don't know where you are getting this from: World Net Daily? Where did you hear that materials were missing? And why are you buying into it? Every facet of Obama's life is as well documented as every former president. There is no "incomplete resume". You're being fed falsehoods from the internet, and you're swallowing them; I can't fathom why.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm going to play the role of a birther. Will someone please prove to me that John McCain was eligible to become president? Because we may have narrowly missed having an illegitimate Commander in Chief!

I understood that this matter was actually taken up by congress. He was born, if I understand correctly, of American parents, on an american military installation in the panama canal zone. Congress itself saw the proof and determined that births under such circumstances anount to natural born citizens. I understand that congress also opined that this would be the case for diplomatic personnel assigned to diplomatic postings whether the child was born at embassy grounds (American Soil) or in ocal hospitals. This is just an understanding from listening to talking heads. I have not researched the matter personally.

From what I understand, the Senate passed a unanimous resolution declaring McCain to be a natural-born citizen. But that resolution is of no legal effect if it is contrary to the Constitution. How do we know that he was born on an American military installation in the panama canal zone? And even if he were, how does that make him a natural born citizen for purposes of presidential eligibility under the Constitution?

I note that today I had to get a new passport for my child, her last having expired. To do so both my wife and I had to appear together, with government issued I.D., with our child, and with her prievious passport and with her original birth certificate. We did not insist that the postal employee take our word on matters, we produced the documents. I do not believe it is unreasonable that obama do the same.

And (given that he has a U.S. Passport), he has. But I'm more interested in debating McCain's constitutional eligibility to be president. Shouldn't he have proved his eligibility before the election?

 

[Sarnoff]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple. It is a partisan issue pure and simple. No different than when the left, including mainstream sources like 60 minutes, tried to make hay out of Bush's national guard service. If Obama was a conservative, most everyone on this board would have flipped sides and be making the opposite points they are making here.

I'm trying to do just that with McCain! But no one wants to play.

There was a McCain thread back in '08. IIRC, it's entitled "McCain Ineligible!!". The McCain comparison falls apart because while his jus soli claim to being a "natural born citizen" can be at least partially questioned, his jus sanguinis cannot.

Under the US laws at the time of his birth, IIRC, Obama has no jus sanguinis claim, making it solely a matter of jus soli.

 

[bueno]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

Spending as much time and money as has been spent to not release a certified copy is nuts. The number I hear is $2 million. And for what? Obama seems to me to be the one that is crazy on this issue.

who spent $2 million?

Allegedly Obama and his lawyers on legal costs.Oh yeah, and Kerry still hasn't released all of his military records

 

[timschochet]

Tim, I am sorry but your ability to read minds is not all that good. This really is no different than the national guard story. Neither story was ever going to make the slightest difference. It is just people desperately looking for a reason to upend a President whose policies they can't support. Conservatives love Clarence Thomas. It is 99% politics and maybe 1% race. Don't project motives you have no clue about.

I know you don't want to believe it. I'm sure if I did a poll among birthers, 99% of them would deny that this has anything to do with race, and most of them would be honest. Nonetheless, I am absolutely convinced it is the impetus behind this story having the popularity that it does.

 

[jon_mx]

Gosh, I wished McCain would have been declared ineligible. I would have supported that effort 100%. Next to Bob Dole, the most inept candidate in my lifetime.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple. It is a partisan issue pure and simple. No different than when the left, including mainstream sources like 60 minutes, tried to make hay out of Bush's national guard service. If Obama was a conservative, most everyone on this board would have flipped sides and be making the opposite points they are making here.

I'm trying to do just that with McCain! But no one wants to play.

There was a McCain thread back in '08. IIRC, it's entitled "McCain Ineligible!!". The McCain comparison falls apart because while his jus soli claim to being a "natural born citizen" can be at least partially questioned, his jus sanguinis cannot.

Under the US laws at the time of his birth, IIRC, Obama has no jus sanguinis claim, making it soley a matter of jus soli.

The McCain isnt eligible crap was as laughable then as this birther stuff has been all along. Bunch of babies only concerned with losing and being losers

 

[Fennis]

No. And I cannot fathom why someone doesn't produce a certified copy of the birth certificate and end all this nonsense.

I love this. It's like Birthers are helpless victims of their own insanity. ALL WE WANT IS TO STOP BEING BAT#### CRAZY BUT OBAMA WON'T LET US END THIS NONSENSE!

Spending as much time and money as has been spent to not release a certified copy is nuts. The number I hear is $2 million. And for what? Obama seems to me to be the one that is crazy on this issue.

who spent $2 million?

Allegedly Obama and his lawyers on legal costs.Oh yeah, and Kerry still hasn't released all of his military records

got a link?

 

[bigbottom]

Now you say the name doesn't matter in terms of you telling them to go #### themselves.

That's pretty silly. The main issue with regard to the little league analogy is that if someone rejected a certificate of live birth as sufficient proof, that's really dumb. But because Obama has an African name, I'm convinced it's also an issue of racism.

It has zero to do with race. Nobody cares if he was purple. It is a partisan issue pure and simple. No different than when the left, including mainstream sources like 60 minutes, tried to make hay out of Bush's national guard service. If Obama was a conservative, most everyone on this board would have flipped sides and be making the opposite points they are making here.

I'm trying to do just that with McCain! But no one wants to play.

There was a McCain thread back in '08. IIRC, it's entitled "McCain Ineligible!!". The McCain comparison falls apart because while his jus soli claim to being a "natural born citizen" can be at least partially questioned, his jus sanguinis cannot.

Under the US laws at the time of his birth, IIRC, Obama has no jus sanguinis claim, making it soley a matter of jus soli.

Where is the proof that he is the biological son of John S. McCain, Jr.? Perhaps his father is a fair-skinned Panamanian. Are there DNA tests that haven't been released? This is the presidency we're talking about here. We need to be sure!

 

[Sarnoff]

I really don't get the people who are so opposed to the birthers. I get that the birthers are loony and easy to make fun of. But some people get so worked up being anti-birthers, they're just as bad. And I really don't understand the objection to the initial request. I mean, there are only two qualifications needed to become president, so, when this was first brought up, I don't get why people objected so vehemently to a person being asked to prove those qualifications.

 

[bigbottom]

Gosh, I wished McCain would have been declared ineligible. I would have supported that effort 100%. Next to Bob Dole, the most inept candidate in my lifetime.

That would have been SWEET! President Palin!!!!!!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Where is the proof that he is the biological son of John S. McCain, Jr.? Perhaps his father is a fair-skinned Panamanian. Are there DNA tests that haven't been released? This is the presidency we're talking about here. We need to be sure!

Oh Snap!You just hit the birther mind-set on the head.

Well done bigbottom.

 

[bigbottom]

I really don't get the people who are so opposed to the birthers. I get that the birthers are loony and easy to make fun of. But some people get so worked up being anti-birthers, they're just as bad. And I really don't understand the objection to the initial request. I mean, there are only two qualifications needed to become president, so, when this was first brought up, I don't get why people objected so vehemently to a person being asked to prove those qualifications.

For me, I actually think its a pretty interesting issue. And while I have no doubts that Obama was born in Hawaii, I do have my suspicions that he's hiding something.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I really don't get the people who are so opposed to the birthers. I get that the birthers are loony and easy to make fun of. But some people get so worked up being anti-birthers, they're just as bad. And I really don't understand the objection to the initial request. I mean, there are only two qualifications needed to become president, so, when this was first brought up, I don't get why people objected so vehemently to a person being asked to prove those qualifications.

The initial REQUEST was fine 3-and-a-half years ago. It was subsequently answered with all that Hawaii provides on such a request, a certificate of live birth.

 

[bueno]

I really don't get the people who are so opposed to the birthers. I get that the birthers are loony and easy to make fun of. But some people get so worked up being anti-birthers, they're just as bad. And I really don't understand the objection to the initial request. I mean, there are only two qualifications needed to become president, so, when this was first brought up, I don't get why people objected so vehemently to a person being asked to prove those qualifications.

For me, I actually think its a pretty interesting issue. And while I have no doubts that Obama was born in Hawaii, I do have my suspicions that he's hiding something.

It is human nature to have those suspicions about someone who is acting like they are hiding something. Which is why Obama ought to just release the damn thing and get it over. His failure to do so just gives the birthers more ammo. Giving your enemies more ammo is irrational.

 

[Fennis]

I really don't get the people who are so opposed to the birthers. I get that the birthers are loony and easy to make fun of. But some people get so worked up being anti-birthers, they're just as bad. And I really don't understand the objection to the initial request. I mean, there are only two qualifications needed to become president, so, when this was first brought up, I don't get why people objected so vehemently to a person being asked to prove those qualifications.

For me, I actually think its a pretty interesting issue. And while I have no doubts that Obama was born in Hawaii, I do have my suspicions that he's hiding something.

 

[Sarnoff]

I really don't get the people who are so opposed to the birthers. I get that the birthers are loony and easy to make fun of. But some people get so worked up being anti-birthers, they're just as bad. And I really don't understand the objection to the initial request. I mean, there are only two qualifications needed to become president, so, when this was first brought up, I don't get why people objected so vehemently to a person being asked to prove those qualifications.

For me, I actually think its a pretty interesting issue. And while I have no doubts that Obama was born in Hawaii, I do have my suspicions that he's hiding something.

I don't know what to think. I really don't think Obama's hiding anything bad, but, I have no idea why this issue just hasn't been settled yet. And I have no idea why people on both sides of it are so insane about it. Birthers and anti-birthers alike. Kind of why I'm rooting for AZ or whatever other state to make it a requirement before being put on the ballot. Settle it once and for all so people would just shut up about it.