The Birther Conspiracy Thread (1 Viewer)

[Bronco Billy]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

Yes it is.

 

[Sam Quentin]

I've posted several times that factcheck is simply an arm of the Obama campaign.

Well, if you've posted that several times, it must be true.

regardless of their origins, Factcheck's vetting process was very thin. As was covered earlier in the thread, two young staffers not even qualified tp "card" people at the door of a bar went to the Obama headquarters and looked at and took pictures of the purported document.They may have good intentions, but this type of review process falls short of the mark.

 

[Sam Quentin]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

Yes it is.

go ahead and laugh your way all of the way to a sound electoral defeat.

 

[Fennis]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

Yes it is.

go ahead and laugh your way all of the way to a sound electoral defeat.

I don't know. I think Leroy Hoard may just squeak out a victory in 2012

 

[The Commish]

The problem with this thread is that none of you Obama haters actually has the guts to come out and admit you don't believe he was born here.Sam QuentinBrock MiddletonBronco Billyjon_mx

Timmay, I have clearly stated my position several times that I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. BTW - I don't hate Obama and would enjoy having a couple of beers with him while watching some basketball. I disagree with the predominance of his policies as well as his vision for this country.Go back to watching msnbcTIA

So you're just dumping fuel on the birther fire for the hell of it?

Again, I've explained my position carefully and exactly.

Just wanted to make sure I had it straight...thanks.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

Yes it is.

go ahead and laugh your way all of the way to a sound electoral defeat.

I don't know. I think Leroy Hoard may just squeak out a victory in 2012

Looks like I just have to beat out Palin & Trump so I may have a longshot chance.

 

[Bronco Billy]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

It's a lot more fun watching people like you buy into Obama's fairytale lock, stock, & barrel. You couldn't possibly even think that anyone has a right to ask these questions simply because he is The Obama.It's a simple request from members of his consituency that could be easily answered with virtually no time or value lost, and instead he chooses to hide behind lawyers and send the Justice Department out to keep his secrets. And then psychophants like timmay have the temerity to call those questioners the cowards.

You want to see a real coward - look right in the Oval Office. He could end this, and do it quickly. He could have easily prevented a decorated vet from being sentenced to Leavenworth (and I've stated before that I do not agree with his tactics). He wants to give terrorists their day in US courts (right up to very recently when he was overcome by common sense) but refuses to allow citizens their chance.

That's real cowardice, timmay, or something more nefarious - which I believe it to be.

 

[Sam Quentin]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

Yes it is.

go ahead and laugh your way all of the way to a sound electoral defeat.

I don't know. I think Leroy Hoard may just squeak out a victory in 2012

I don't think he'll have Robert Smith's vote(TD stealing bastage)

 

[Jewell]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

Yes it is.

go ahead and laugh your way all of the way to a sound electoral defeat.

I don't know. I think Leroy Hoard may just squeak out a victory in 2012

If his foreign policy is as strong as his one liners, he has my vote.

 

[TobiasFunke]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

It's a lot more fun watching people like you buy into Obama's fairytale lock, stock, & barrel. You couldn't possibly even think that anyone has a right to ask these questions simply because he is The Obama.It's a simple request from members of his consituency that could be easily answered with virtually no time or value lost, and instead he chooses to hide behind lawyers and send the Justice Department out to keep his secrets. And then psychophants like timmay have the temerity to call those questioners the cowards.

You want to see a real coward - look right in the Oval Office. He could end this, and do it quickly. He could have easily prevented a decorated vet from being sentenced to Leavenworth (and I've stated before that I do not agree with his tactics). He wants to give terrorists their day in US courts (right up to very recently when he was overcome by common sense) but refuses to allow citizens their chance.

That's real cowardice, timmay, or something more nefarious - which I believe it to be.

Definitely sounds like you're describing a guy you don't hate and would enjoy having a couple beers with while watching basketball. I gather you are a South Park fan from the "timmay" references. Perhaps you should watch this episode again.

You're just asking questions!!!

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Birther Power Rankings.

1. Sam Quentin

Seems to think this is a winning political issue for Obama opponents. Is actually confused why more people aren't outraged. Sees this ending in some grand display where citizens rise up to overthrow the president by force. Probably the closest to declaring Obama a foreigner.

2. Brock Middlebrook

Has about 80% of the passion that Sam has in this thread. More of a pot-stirrer than anything. Also seems to think this is a winning political issue.

3. Bronco Billy

All over the map. Talks out of both sides of his mouth and says things that he probably doesn't believe. Definitely here for the agitation factor. Has "clearly" articulated his true position on this about as well as MOP described the value of pizzas.

4. jon_mx

Just likes any thread that makes Obama look bad. Sort of a poor man's Jim11. Ironically, that's not what's happening in here. Doesn't really have the chops for this kind of thing. Should take backpedalling notes from Bronco Billy.

Stay tuned as rankings change constantly.

 

[tommyGunZ]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

No, it's more fun just to sit back and laugh at birthers like you.

It's a lot more fun watching people like you buy into Obama's fairytale lock, stock, & barrel.

The "fairytale" that he was born in HI? I haven't seen a single birth certificate of any US President. Does this mean I bought into their fairytales as well?

 

[The Commish]

It's a lot more fun watching people like you buy into Obama's fairytale lock, stock, & barrel.

If you believe he was born in the US, you are doing the same....why mock people in the same boat?

 

[Slapdash]

Birther Power Rankings. 1. Sam QuentinSeems to think this is a winning political issue for Obama opponents. Is actually confused why more people aren't outraged. Sees this ending in some grand display where citizens rise up to overthrow the president by force. Probably the closest to declaring Obama a foreigner. 2. Brock MiddlebrookHas about 80% of the passion that Sam has in this thread. More of a pot-stirrer than anything. Also seems to think this is a winning political issue. 3. Bronco BillyAll over the map. Talks out of both sides of his mouth and says things that he probably doesn't believe. Definitely here for the agitation factor. Has "clearly" articulated his true position on this about as well as MOP described the value of pizzas. 4. jon_mxJust likes any thread that makes Obama look bad. Sort of a poor man's Jim11. Ironically, that's not what's happening in here. Doesn't really have the chops for this kind of thing. Should take backpedalling notes from Bronco Billy. Stay tuned as rankings change constantly.

 

[The Commish]

Birther Power Rankings. 1. Sam QuentinSeems to think this is a winning political issue for Obama opponents. Is actually confused why more people aren't outraged. Sees this ending in some grand display where citizens rise up to overthrow the president by force. Probably the closest to declaring Obama a foreigner. 2. Brock MiddlebrookHas about 80% of the passion that Sam has in this thread. More of a pot-stirrer than anything. Also seems to think this is a winning political issue. 3. Bronco BillyAll over the map. Talks out of both sides of his mouth and says things that he probably doesn't believe. Definitely here for the agitation factor. Has "clearly" articulated his true position on this about as well as MOP described the value of pizzas. 4. jon_mxJust likes any thread that makes Obama look bad. Sort of a poor man's Jim11. Ironically, that's not what's happening in here. Doesn't really have the chops for this kind of thing. Should take backpedalling notes from Bronco Billy. Stay tuned as rankings change constantly.

 

[Bamboo Bill]

Birther Power Rankings. 1. Sam QuentinSeems to think this is a winning political issue for Obama opponents. Is actually confused why more people aren't outraged. Sees this ending in some grand display where citizens rise up to overthrow the president by force. Probably the closest to declaring Obama a foreigner. 2. Brock MiddlebrookHas about 80% of the passion that Sam has in this thread. More of a pot-stirrer than anything. Also seems to think this is a winning political issue. 3. Bronco BillyAll over the map. Talks out of both sides of his mouth and says things that he probably doesn't believe. Definitely here for the agitation factor. Has "clearly" articulated his true position on this about as well as MOP described the value of pizzas. 4. jon_mxJust likes any thread that makes Obama look bad. Sort of a poor man's Jim11. Ironically, that's not what's happening in here. Doesn't really have the chops for this kind of thing. Should take backpedalling notes from Bronco Billy. Stay tuned as rankings change constantly.

Aren't 1 & 2 the same??

 

[Sam Quentin]

Birther Power Rankings. 1. Sam QuentinSeems to think this is a winning political issue for Obama opponents. Is actually confused why more people aren't outraged. Sees this ending in some grand display where citizens rise up to overthrow the president by force. Probably the closest to declaring Obama a foreigner. 2. Brock MiddlebrookHas about 80% of the passion that Sam has in this thread. More of a pot-stirrer than anything. Also seems to think this is a winning political issue. 3. Bronco BillyAll over the map. Talks out of both sides of his mouth and says things that he probably doesn't believe. Definitely here for the agitation factor. Has "clearly" articulated his true position on this about as well as MOP described the value of pizzas. 4. jon_mxJust likes any thread that makes Obama look bad. Sort of a poor man's Jim11. Ironically, that's not what's happening in here. Doesn't really have the chops for this kind of thing. Should take backpedalling notes from Bronco Billy. Stay tuned as rankings change constantly.

I must have really struck a nerve with the pickle guy

 

[Bronco Billy]

It's a lot more fun watching people like you buy into Obama's fairytale lock, stock, & barrel.

If you believe he was born in the US, you are doing the same....why mock people in the same boat?

The evidence supports his birth at his grandparents' home in Hawaii. Hospitals don't have documentation and we know that Stanley Anne Dunham took him along to Washington state 3 weeks after his birth when she went back to college there. There's little evidence to support an overseas birth other than some family corroboration that could have or could not have been poor translated answers to questions about it.Although the absolute truth is known by very few people, including Obama, hence the mystery and the opening for questions.

 

[flufhed]

Although the absolute truth is known by very few people,

 

[Bronco Billy]

Although the absolute truth is known by very few people,

 

[Bronco Billy]

I must have really struck a nerve with the pickle guy

Doesn't take much

 

[TobiasFunke]

Although the absolute truth is known by very few people,

Somewhere out there is a picture of a clearly recognizable baby Barack Obama emerging from his mother's birth canal under a Hawaii State flag with an Oahu beach in the distance and the doctor birthing the baby in one hand while holding up a newspaper dated August 4, 1961 with the other hand. Or maybe there isn't. But why won't Obama come clean? What is he hiding? I'm just asking questions!!!

 

[The Commish]

It's a lot more fun watching people like you buy into Obama's fairytale lock, stock, & barrel.

If you believe he was born in the US, you are doing the same....why mock people in the same boat?

The evidence supports his birth at his grandparents' home in Hawaii. Hospitals don't have documentation and we know that Stanley Anne Dunham took him along to Washington state 3 weeks after his birth when she went back to college there. There's little evidence to support an overseas birth other than some family corroboration that could have or could not have been poor translated answers to questions about it.Although the absolute truth is known by very few people, including Obama, hence the mystery and the opening for questions.

I don't care why you are thinking what you are thinking. I just need to know what you are thinking it If you think he was born in the US then you are mocking others for thinking the same thing....just odd, that's all. Not sure what distinction you are trying to make for your specific belief, but it appears to be insignificant to warrant distinction.

 

[General Malaise]

Birther Power Rankings. 1. Sam QuentinSeems to think this is a winning political issue for Obama opponents. Is actually confused why more people aren't outraged. Sees this ending in some grand display where citizens rise up to overthrow the president by force. Probably the closest to declaring Obama a foreigner. 2. Brock MiddlebrookHas about 80% of the passion that Sam has in this thread. More of a pot-stirrer than anything. Also seems to think this is a winning political issue. 3. Bronco BillyAll over the map. Talks out of both sides of his mouth and says things that he probably doesn't believe. Definitely here for the agitation factor. Has "clearly" articulated his true position on this about as well as MOP described the value of pizzas. 4. jon_mxJust likes any thread that makes Obama look bad. Sort of a poor man's Jim11. Ironically, that's not what's happening in here. Doesn't really have the chops for this kind of thing. Should take backpedalling notes from Bronco Billy. Stay tuned as rankings change constantly.

I must have really struck a nerve with the pickle guy

I think he's just making fun of you. Quite well.

 

[Fennis]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

What controversy? Even you think Obama was born in Hawaii.

 

[Sarnoff]

2000! posts.

At least one-third are people commenting on the length of the thread

 

[Fennis]

41 pages!

 

[Sam Quentin]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

What controversy? Even you think Obama was born in Hawaii.

Tell that to 31% of Independent voters....

 

[TobiasFunke]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

What controversy? Even you think Obama was born in Hawaii.

Tell that to 31% of Independent voters....

I doubt 31% of independent voters care what Bronco Billy thinks.

 

[Jayrod]

2000! posts.

At least one-third are people commenting on the length of the thread

2036 posts!!!

 

[Fennis]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

What controversy? Even you think Obama was born in Hawaii.

Tell that to 31% of Independent voters....

31% of Independent voters think man landing on the the moon was a hoax, as a country it is best we spend time addressing legitimate concerns.

 

[The Commish]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

What controversy? Even you think Obama was born in Hawaii.

This is what makes Pickles' post that much better.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

What controversy? Even you think Obama was born in Hawaii.

Tell that to 31% of Independent voters....

31% of Independent voters think man landing on the the moon was a hoax, as a country it is best we spend time addressing legitimate concerns.

I wonder what Righetti thinks.

 

[jon_mx]

I guess I should by happy making the final four, but it is disappointing not to win. My position on this is....

Obama has a prett deent case that he was born in Hawaii. I would say better than 90% chance. I would move it to 100 percent if the original documentation had a doctors signature. Scanned in records acceptable. Even if it became apparent that Obama was born elsewhere, I don't see it changing many votes. People will make excuses as to why Obama lied and will tell us it is an outdated requirements. The courts will not do anything. Congress will not do anything.

At this point I am more curious than anything. Obama is behaving more inline with he is hiding something than he is as if it is some campaign strategy. I just think it is something that should be settled and that it is not somrthing unreasonable to ask for. Obama pushes for background checks on gunowners but a original birth certificate is too much to ask for? Give me a break.

 

[tommyGunZ]

2000! posts.

If everyone would ante up 1/2 cent per post in this thread, we'd come up with enough to send Obama the money he needs to get a copy of the long form BC that he claims exists and could dispell the whole controversy.

What controversy? Even you think Obama was born in Hawaii.

Tell that to 31% of Independent voters....

31% of Independent voters think man landing on the the moon was a hoax, as a country it is best we spend time addressing legitimate concerns.

I wonder what Righetti thinks.

ooof. That's a lot of entries.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I guess I should by happy making the final four, but it is disappointing not to win. My position on this is....Obama has a prett deent case that he was born in Hawaii. I would say better than 90% chance. I would move it to 100 percent if the original documentation had a doctors signature. Scanned in records acceptable. Even if it became apparent that Obama was born elsewhere, I don't see it changing many votes. People will make excuses as to why Obama lied and will tell us it is an outdated requirements. The courts will not do anything. Congress will not do anything.At this point I am more curious than anything. Obama is behaving more inline with he is hiding something than he is as if it is some campaign strategy. I just think it is something that should be settled and that it is not somrthing unreasonable to ask for. Obama pushes for background checks on gunowners but a original birth certificate is too much to ask for? Give me a break.

The only people curious about this are fringe righties - i.e. the Beck crowd. Obama is best served ignoring your pleas and instead letting you guys continue to foam at the mouth over a non-issue. Every time this issue comes up, true moderate independents shake their head and are more likely to vote Obama in '12.

 

[The Commish]

I guess I should by happy making the final four, but it is disappointing not to win. My position on this is....

Obama has a prett deent case that he was born in Hawaii. I would say better than 90% chance. I would move it to 100 percent if the original documentation had a doctors signature. Scanned in records acceptable. Even if it became apparent that Obama was born elsewhere, I don't see it changing many votes. People will make excuses as to why Obama lied and will tell us it is an outdated requirements. The courts will not do anything. Congress will not do anything.

At this point I am more curious than anything. Obama is behaving more inline with he is hiding something than he is as if it is some campaign strategy. I just think it is something that should be settled and that it is not somrthing unreasonable to ask for. Obama pushes for background checks on gunowners but a original birth certificate is too much to ask for? Give me a break.

I ask this question politically....why? Why should he "settle" this? He has people dumb enough to be focused on something so stupid actually focused on it. That means they aren't focused on much of the other crap going on. What on earth would he gain from "settling" this? Let's say he presents an "original" document. How many people will BELIEVE it's an "original"? It might switch a few, but not many. People don't like to admit they are wrong and will make more excuses or ask for something else, right down the line.ETA: The people actually focused on this already have their minds made up. Him presenting anything else will simply be converted into a new conspiracy theory of some sort.

 

[jon_mx]

The tactic of lumping everyone in a group with the most fringe elements is a bore. Can you guys do better? Certainly there are loons peddling false stories, but the fact is this isn't a water tight case. There are reasonable scenerios which don't involve any grand conspiracies.

 

[The Commish]

The tactic of lumping everyone in a group with the most fringe elements is a bore. Can you guys do better? Certainly there are loons peddling false stories, but the fact is this isn't a water tight case. There are reasonable scenerios which don't involve any grand conspiracies.

To be clear, for me, the "group" I am talking about is the people focused on and obsessed with this. I don't care if they are peddling false stories or have what they think is a legit angle. The obsession with it puts them in a category all of their own. Now, care to answer my question above regarding Obama's motive to "settle" this?

 

[Sarnoff]

I ask this question politically....why? Why should he "settle" this?

My problem is that his response is political, instead of Presidential. He (and many of his supporters, and many of his opposition) just care about "gotcha" politics, winning news cycles, and scoring points against the other side, instead of behaving above that level. It's petty. It's not statesmanlike. And the behavior by both sides just hurts the country.The constitutional job requirements for the office are pretty clear and easy to meet... yet he refuses to give permission to the governor of Hawaii to prove he meets them. Why? What is the problem? Is this really how we want a President to act? Would Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, hell, even Millard Fillmore behave like this? Are we really OK with the leader of the country acting at the lowest level possible? This isn't baseball, we're not Yankees vs. Red Sox, we're all on the same team and we shouldn't be concerned with scoreboard watching on who bested who in the tabloids. When faced with a coverup scandal, Jed Bartlet's motto became "Bring it on" I just wish we had a real president as good as NBC's fake one.

Oliver Babish: Then, order the attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor. Not just any special prosecutor, the most blood-spitting, Bartlet-hating Republican in the Bar. He's gonna have an unlimited budget and a staff like an army. The new slogan around here is gonna be "Bring it on!" He's gonna have access to every piece of paper you ever touched. If you invoke executive privilege one time, I'm gone. An assistant D.A in Ducksworth wants to take your deposition, you're on the next plane. A freshman Congressman wants your testimony, you'll sit in his kitchen. They wanna drag you to The Hague and charge you with war crimes, what'll we say?President Josiah Bartlet: Bring it on.

 

[Jewell]

I guess I should by happy making the final four, but it is disappointing not to win. My position on this is....

Obama has a prett deent case that he was born in Hawaii. I would say better than 90% chance. I would move it to 100 percent if the original documentation had a doctors signature. Scanned in records acceptable. Even if it became apparent that Obama was born elsewhere, I don't see it changing many votes. People will make excuses as to why Obama lied and will tell us it is an outdated requirements. The courts will not do anything. Congress will not do anything.

At this point I am more curious than anything. Obama is behaving more inline with he is hiding something than he is as if it is some campaign strategy. I just think it is something that should be settled and that it is not somrthing unreasonable to ask for. Obama pushes for background checks on gunowners but a original birth certificate is too much to ask for? Give me a break.

The only people curious about this are fringe righties - i.e. the Beck crowd. Obama is best served ignoring your pleas and instead letting you guys continue to foam at the mouth over a non-issue. Every time this issue comes up, true moderate independents shake their head and are more likely to vote Obama in '12.

Is Trump a fringe rightie?Donald Trump praised Nancy Pelosi as "The best" (Politico)

Trump's political donations are left-leaning (Forbes)

 

[Fennis]

I ask this question politically....why? Why should he "settle" this?

My problem is that his response is political, instead of Presidential. He (and many of his supporters, and many of his opposition) just care about "gotcha" politics, winning news cycles, and scoring points against the other side, instead of behaving above that level. It's petty. It's not statesmanlike. And the behavior by both sides just hurts the country.The constitutional job requirements for the office are pretty clear and easy to meet... yet he refuses to give permission to the governor of Hawaii to prove he meets them. Why? What is the problem? Is this really how we want a President to act? Would Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, hell, even Millard Fillmore behave like this? Are we really OK with the leader of the country acting at the lowest level possible? This isn't baseball, we're not Yankees vs. Red Sox, we're all on the same team and we shouldn't be concerned with scoreboard watching on who bested who in the tabloids. When faced with a coverup scandal, Jed Bartlet's motto became "Bring it on" I just wish we had a real president as good as NBC's fake one.

Oliver Babish: Then, order the attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor. Not just any special prosecutor, the most blood-spitting, Bartlet-hating Republican in the Bar. He's gonna have an unlimited budget and a staff like an army. The new slogan around here is gonna be "Bring it on!" He's gonna have access to every piece of paper you ever touched. If you invoke executive privilege one time, I'm gone. An assistant D.A in Ducksworth wants to take your deposition, you're on the next plane. A freshman Congressman wants your testimony, you'll sit in his kitchen. They wanna drag you to The Hague and charge you with war crimes, what'll we say?President Josiah Bartlet: Bring it on.

You think being presidential is answering rumors that he was born in Kenya, is a Muslim, is the Antichrist, is whatever other crazy rumor is started? We have two very different definitions of being presidential.

 

[matuski]

The tactic of lumping everyone in a group with the most fringe elements is a bore. Can you guys do better? Certainly there are loons peddling false stories, but the fact is this isn't a water tight case. There are reasonable scenerios which don't involve any grand conspiracies.

You throw yourself in with the fringe on an hourly basis here. You don't see this?

 

[TobiasFunke]

The tactic of lumping everyone in a group with the most fringe elements is a bore. Can you guys do better? Certainly there are loons peddling false stories, but the fact is this isn't a water tight case. There are reasonable scenerios which don't involve any grand conspiracies.

What the heck, I'll bitelease explain to me the "reasonable scenario" in which Barack Obama wasn't born in Hawaii but somehow there exists not only a certificate of live birth for him in the state but also two separate newspaper notices of his birth in the state.

 

[Fennis]

I guess I should by happy making the final four, but it is disappointing not to win. My position on this is....

Obama has a prett deent case that he was born in Hawaii. I would say better than 90% chance. I would move it to 100 percent if the original documentation had a doctors signature. Scanned in records acceptable. Even if it became apparent that Obama was born elsewhere, I don't see it changing many votes. People will make excuses as to why Obama lied and will tell us it is an outdated requirements. The courts will not do anything. Congress will not do anything.

At this point I am more curious than anything. Obama is behaving more inline with he is hiding something than he is as if it is some campaign strategy. I just think it is something that should be settled and that it is not somrthing unreasonable to ask for. Obama pushes for background checks on gunowners but a original birth certificate is too much to ask for? Give me a break.

The only people curious about this are fringe righties - i.e. the Beck crowd. Obama is best served ignoring your pleas and instead letting you guys continue to foam at the mouth over a non-issue. Every time this issue comes up, true moderate independents shake their head and are more likely to vote Obama in '12.

Is Trump a fringe rightie?Donald Trump praised Nancy Pelosi as "The best" (Politico)

Trump's political donations are left-leaning (Forbes)

Much like Mitt Romney, when Trump decided to run as a Republican for president (or flirt with the idea), his views on issues important to tea party types (abortion, birther, HCR) changed.

 

[Thunderlips]

I guess I should by happy making the final four, but it is disappointing not to win. My position on this is....Obama has a prett deent case that he was born in Hawaii. I would say better than 90% chance. I would move it to 100 percent if the original documentation had a doctors signature. Scanned in records acceptable. Even if it became apparent that Obama was born elsewhere, I don't see it changing many votes. People will make excuses as to why Obama lied and will tell us it is an outdated requirements. The courts will not do anything. Congress will not do anything.At this point I am more curious than anything. Obama is behaving more inline with he is hiding something than he is as if it is some campaign strategy. I just think it is something that should be settled and that it is not somrthing unreasonable to ask for. Obama pushes for background checks on gunowners but a original birth certificate is too much to ask for? Give me a break.

I'm sure the primary reason is that he, like most other people who think the Birthers are pissing into the wind, won't believe him regardless of what proof he comes up with

 

[LHUCKS]

The tactic of lumping everyone in a group with the most fringe elements is a bore. Can you guys do better? Certainly there are loons peddling false stories, but the fact is this isn't a water tight case. There are reasonable scenerios which don't involve any grand conspiracies.

To be clear, for me, the "group" I am talking about is the people focused on and obsessed with this. I don't care if they are peddling false stories or have what they think is a legit angle. The obsession with it puts them in a category all of their own.

Lots of up in here.

 

[matuski]

I guess I should by happy making the final four, but it is disappointing not to win. My position on this is....

Obama has a prett deent case that he was born in Hawaii. I would say better than 90% chance. I would move it to 100 percent if the original documentation had a doctors signature. Scanned in records acceptable. Even if it became apparent that Obama was born elsewhere, I don't see it changing many votes. People will make excuses as to why Obama lied and will tell us it is an outdated requirements. The courts will not do anything. Congress will not do anything.

At this point I am more curious than anything. Obama is behaving more inline with he is hiding something than he is as if it is some campaign strategy. I just think it is something that should be settled and that it is not somrthing unreasonable to ask for. Obama pushes for background checks on gunowners but a original birth certificate is too much to ask for? Give me a break.

The only people curious about this are fringe righties - i.e. the Beck crowd. Obama is best served ignoring your pleas and instead letting you guys continue to foam at the mouth over a non-issue. Every time this issue comes up, true moderate independents shake their head and are more likely to vote Obama in '12.

Is Trump a fringe rightie?Donald Trump praised Nancy Pelosi as "The best" (Politico)

Trump's political donations are left-leaning (Forbes)

Did you watch his recent interview? On this topic he is all-in, full-steam ahead, head-over-heels, over-the-top - fringe rightie.You didn't watch it did you?