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Millions of dollars spent on football players. Fans buying season tickets, jerseys and watch the games on TV. How can they sit and not trade one of their RBs to help the need in other areas?

How can they be so poor at judging talent and let Trent Edwards tank one season after another?

Why did they draft a RB in the first round only to put him #3 on the depth chart?

How do the Buffalo Bills fans remain supportive of their home team? Props to you all that stick it out.

At least Stl Rams drafted a QB and it looks promising.

Detroit Lions is starting their rookie RB and they are at least competing even without Stafford.

 
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steelwind said:
Millions of dollars spent on football players. Fans buying season tickets, jerseys and watch the games on TV. How can they sit and not trade one of their RBs to help the need in other areas?

How can they be so poor at judging talent and let Trent Edwards tank one season after another?

Why did they draft a RB in the first round only to put him #3 on the depth chart?

How do the Buffalo Bills fans remain supportive of their home team? Props to you all that stick it out.
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This is the one I don't understand. The guy has a unique skill set and physical talents that so few have and yet (so far anyways) they are wasting his talents. I realize we're only 2 weeks in but I'm not sure what they are waiting for.

 
Can't wait until this joke of a franchise signs another washed up veteran QB as their "fix" and doesn't draft a QB next year.

It really appears A Luck is the QB to get next year and it's not 100% Buffalo will be able to draft him.

 
bills are tanking for the epic qb class of next yr.

seriously, thats proly part of it. they figured no reason to draft clausen when he is meh and locker mallet and luck are coming out next yr.

and mebbe they just messed up on spiller. they thought he would be an impact player but it turns out he is meh and fjax and lynch are actually better.

 
bulger2holt said:
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In 3 years we may see the Rams and the Lions in the playoffs. At least you're building in the right direction.I look at the Bills and I can think of College teams that are better than this. Look at the matchup this week. NE vs Buff. Who will want to watch that game? What a waste.
 
Buffalo 66 - ever see that movie?

As a Saints fan I relate. But really since about 1986 the franchise had many good, exciting or interesting teams even when not making the playoffs or when not winning (except for the 3 Ditka years).

It always starts and ends with poor talent evaluation.

But here's what gets me about the Bills - since the days of Kelly & Thurman, year in, year out, every single year, the Bills just have the most moribund, boring offense. They are a DRAG to watch as a football fan.

And the carousel of quarterbacks and receivers not named Evans: Ugh.

 
loose circuits said:
offensive line is the issue. Until they fix that they will always appear to have issues at the skill positions
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Yeah. I think the greatest problem with the Spiller pick was that there were good OL options out there (Bulaga and Davis) that they passed on. And I don't think they even drafted OL until Day 3.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Buffalo 66 - ever see that movie?As a Saints fan I relate. But really since about 1986 the franchise had many good, exciting or interesting teams even when not making the playoffs or when not winning (except for the 3 Ditka years).It always starts and ends with poor talent evaluation.But here's what gets me about the Bills - since the days of Kelly & Thurman, year in, year out, every single year, the Bills just have the most moribund, boring offense. They are a DRAG to watch as a football fan.And the carousel of quarterbacks and receivers not named Evans: Ugh.
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Jim Kelly should be somewhere in that front office, maybe he can help them turn it around.
 
I'll just say this since even talking about them makes me mad: they have to be looking at Detroit and at least saying, wow, should we try that? Now, I don't know exactly how stupid Gailey is but he's obviously pretty stupid. Perhaps too stupid for his job. He doesn't coach like a vet coach, and maybe he's simply lost. But there has to be someone in that staff, a RB coach or an o-line coach oy maybe the OC who is going to bring in that film and say "What do we have to lose by trying this?"

If there's someone in that organization at least bright enough to recognize the similarity between the two backs and that is in fact possible to replicate success by imitation in some circumstances, then there is at least hope for Spiller's owners this year and maybe some excitement if not wins. If there isn't, Spiller's career and this entire organization is in the toilet.

I just don't see how that many men who get paid exclusively for their knowledge of football couldn't arrive at that conclusion.

 
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It's tough to show what Spiller has behind this OL right now.

And the fans will continue to support the team, because we are forced from birth to stay loyal to our team. It's not easy.

The Bills have had too many 1st round busts over the past decasde. That right there is the biggest reason why they are where they are.

Let's start with 1999....

1999- Antoine Winfield (didn't re-sign)

2000- Erik Flowers (horrible)

2001- Nate Clements (didn't re-sign, but good call at 80 million)

2002- Mike Williams- when your #4 pick overall doesn't have the desire to play football, someone didn't do their homework.

2003- Willis McGahee- (when we had Travis Henry)

2004- Lee Evans- (feel horrible for him)

2004- JP Losman (yes, we traded back in the 1st for him)

2005- No 1st rounder, that went to Dallas for JP)

2006- Donte Whitner (Thanks Marv, could have gotten the same production from former WR, George Wilson)

2006- John McCargo- (exactly)

2007- Marshawn Lynch- your #3 now?

2008- Leodis McKelvin (promising.....)

2009- Aaron Maybin- (joke, utter joke)

2009- Eric Wood (maybe the anchor of OL for ten years, maybe)

2010- CJ Spiller (we'll see)

A franchise cannot afford to swing and miss in the first round as much as Buffalo. Buffalo has more undrafted free agents on their roster right now than first round picks.

 
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You would think Gailey and Nix would, since he is there boy and drafted him. But I think at this point, they are scared to play him behind that line. The tackles are just horrible at this point. Demetrius Bell is a 7th round project who didnt start playing football until 2005. He is the Jason Peters mold. They turned Peters from a fat TE out of Arkansas St? to a pro bowl LT. They thiunk they can find lightning twice. Problem is, he missed the last ten games or so last year with a knee injury.

I do know Nix has a plan, and he hasn't come out and said it, but I think they wrote this season off before it started.

 
Gopher State said:
Move the team to L.A. would fix the problem
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No way. This place doesn't deserve a team. I don't see why people say that moving the franchise would save it. It's sad to say, but Ralph needs to sell the team. Obviously being a homer and purely my opinion, I can only think of a handful of fan bases in any sports as loyal as Bills fans. The region has been dying for years, but if Green Bay/ Milwaukee can support a team financially, then Buffalo/ Southern Ontario/ Rochester/ Syracuse can.
 
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You are going to have a hard time getting sympathy from a Lion's fan. I don't wish our last decade on any sports fan whatsovever.

 
Clifford said:
I'll just say this since even talking about them makes me mad: they have to be looking at Detroit and at least saying, wow, should we try that? Now, I don't know exactly how stupid Gailey is but he's obviously pretty stupid. Perhaps too stupid for his job. He doesn't coach like a vet coach, and maybe he's simply lost. But there has to be someone in that staff, a RB coach or an o-line coach oy maybe the OC who is going to bring in that film and say "What do we have to lose by trying this?"If there's someone in that organization at least bright enough to recognize the similarity between the two backs and that is in fact possible to replicate success by imitation in some circumstances, then there is at least hope for Spiller's owners this year and maybe some excitement if not wins. If there isn't, Spiller's career and this entire organization is in the toilet.I just don't see how that many men who get paid exclusively for their knowledge of football couldn't arrive at that conclusion.
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This is what pisses me off. They make millions of dollars to tank an NFL season. I'm in the wrong business.
 
Every April I say to myself "Buffalo is finally going to draft a legit QB" and they always end up taking someone who doesn't help their team.

 
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GoBills02 said:
Gopher State said:
Move the team to L.A. would fix the problem
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No way. This place doesn't deserve a team. I don't see why people say that moving the franchise would save it. It's sad to say, but Ralph needs to sell the team. Obviously being a homer and purely my opinion, I can only think of a handful of fan bases in any sports as loyal as Bills fans. The region has been dying for years, but if Green Bay/ Milwaukee can support a team financially, then Buffalo/ Southern Ontario/ Rochester/ Syracuse can.
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Agreed...a lousy owner in a different location is still a lousy owner. I still can't get over the fact that Chan Gailey is a head coach in the NFL.
 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Clifford said:
new HC?
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Don't think this is really the problem. When you're hiring guys like **** Jauron and Chan Gailey to lead the team, management is clearly only interested in just treading water and hoping for a decent season.
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Now that I think about it, when was the last time the Bills hired a coach that made you say "wow these guys are serious about trying to win here"? Gregg Williams coming from a good DC stint at Tennessee?
 
Russ Brandon actually came into where I work, I go so can we trade Lynch for AJ Hawk, He then gets mad and says do you watch film? we don't need him, do I walk into here and tell you what you guys should do... I said you can if you want... then said maybe we can trade for Brian Cushing or Clay Matthews for Aaron Maybin and he smirked and said have a good day

 
It started when Wilson let Polian go and then wouldn't sign Butler to what a GM deserved. Haven't had had a GM since. They bring in 80 yr old Marv, then gave Jauron his last shot at a coaching job. Now a 70 yr old GM and a mediocre college coach getting his last shot at the NFL. Starts from the top down. Supposedly they finally tried to bring in a big name coach this yr, but the organization is now such a mess no one wants the job except guys who otherwise wouldn't get an offer.

Draft list above points out their ineptitude. Last year is a perfect example - they chose Maybin and passed on Orakpo, Cushing & Matthews at the same position. 2 Pro Bowlers & 1 to be while Maybin can't even get on the field for the Bills.

 
GoBills02 said:
Gopher State said:
Move the team to L.A. would fix the problem
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No way. This place doesn't deserve a team. I don't see why people say that moving the franchise would save it. It's sad to say, but Ralph needs to sell the team. Obviously being a homer and purely my opinion, I can only think of a handful of fan bases in any sports as loyal as Bills fans. The region has been dying for years, but if Green Bay/ Milwaukee can support a team financially, then Buffalo/ Southern Ontario/ Rochester/ Syracuse / Toronto can.
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Fixed.Ralph needs to sell the team.

AND

The team needs to move to a region that isn't dying. But near enough to Buffalo.

 
fan support isn't a problem in the buffalo area. lots of fanatics still now when they can't win. Toronto isn't the answer, that city can't even sell out game now... as the 1st round busts show, it is a lack of good talent assessment that is killing the team...

 
loose circuits said:
offensive line is the issue. Until they fix that they will always appear to have issues at the skill positions
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:thumbup: Even if you're going to wait on a better QB draft next year, you need to build the OL - No reason to get a back that to me is icing on the cake for a solid team.
 
The funny thing about waiting on this QB class is it's vastly overrated, IMO. The 2010 QB class will actually turn out much better.

 
Buffalo's problem is that it is Buffalo. No one wants to go there, unless they have no option or get overpaid to be there. I'm sure most free agents cross it off the list because it's well..............Buffalo. And with salary cap in past years and what I would guess would be one of the lower revenue streams it wouldn't make sense to overpay to get talent to come to the city.

When was the last desirable free agent that Buffalo signed that "chose" Buffalo over other viable similar paying options. I suspect there aren't very many examples. When you can't get free agents and draft as terribly as they have it's actually a credit to the past coaching staffs they have as many wins as they have.

 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Clifford said:
new HC?
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Don't think this is really the problem. When you're hiring guys like **** Jauron and Chan Gailey to lead the team, management is clearly only interested in just treading water and hoping for a decent season.
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Now that I think about it, when was the last time the Bills hired a coach that made you say "wow these guys are serious about trying to win here"? Gregg Williams coming from a good DC stint at Tennessee?
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Right. Williams was a good hire, he just didn't work out as a Head Coach. But it certainly was a good decision and well thought of hiring throughout the league.
 
flranger said:
Buffalo's problem is that it is Buffalo. No one wants to go there, unless they have no option or get overpaid to be there. I'm sure most free agents cross it off the list because it's well..............Buffalo. And with salary cap in past years and what I would guess would be one of the lower revenue streams it wouldn't make sense to overpay to get talent to come to the city.When was the last desirable free agent that Buffalo signed that "chose" Buffalo over other viable similar paying options. I suspect there aren't very many examples. When you can't get free agents and draft as terribly as they have it's actually a credit to the past coaching staffs they have as many wins as they have.
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Green Bay was just as bad in the past as Buffalo is now with this issue. Reggie White signing there and Brett Farve turned that whole franchise around. Buffalo needs to do the same. If they can get a winning attitude, free agents will come to Buffalo. $ is good most places if you can plan in this league, but winning is only happening on the good teams. I don't blame any free agent not wanting to come to a losing team. I wouldn't. So Buffalo might have to over pay for a couple stars to jump start the franchise back on the winning track before we can get anywhere...
 
Someone on the Bills message boards has a sig line that sums it up pretty well..."Buffalo is a drinking town with a football problem"

In all seriousness, their biggest fault was letting Bill Polian walk as GM then letting John Butler walk as well. It stems from the top down with the Bills. Last year the Bills didn't even have a GM for christ's sake. Bringing in Nix is a major step in the right direction but they need to follow it up with the bringing of quality players. The Bills were in play for McNabb which shows they recognize their needs and are trying to fill them.

 
WisWolvrns said:
fan support isn't a problem in the buffalo area. lots of fanatics still now when they can't win. Toronto isn't the answer, that city can't even sell out game now... as the 1st round busts show, it is a lack of good talent assessment that is killing the team...
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Toronto "could" be an answer if they didn't charge $76-286 for tickets.Compare this with ticket prices as low as $25 for the hometown Argonauts or $48.50-95.50 for the Bills at Ralph Wilson.If I lived in Toronto, I would rather pay the same amount of money to travel to Buffalo and watch the game than go downtown and catch them at the Rogers Centre.The pricing has essentially ruined Toronto as a viable market for the NFL until somebody gets their head on straight. They think they can charge anything and get people to show up regardless of the calibre of product they put out and that mentality only works for the Maple Leafs.
 
GoBills02 said:
It's tough to show what Spiller has behind this OL right now.

And the fans will continue to support the team, because we are forced from birth to stay loyal to our team. It's not easy.

The Bills have had too many 1st round busts over the past decasde. That right there is the biggest reason why they are where they are.

Let's start with 1999....

1999- Antoine Winfield (didn't re-sign)

2000- Erik Flowers (horrible)

2001- Nate Clements (didn't re-sign, but good call at 80 million)

2002- Mike Williams- when your #4 pick overall doesn't have the desire to play football, someone didn't do their homework.

2003- Willis McGahee- (when we had Travis Henry)

2004- Lee Evans- (feel horrible for him)

2004- JP Losman (yes, we traded back in the 1st for him)

2005- No 1st rounder, that went to Dallas for JP)

2006- Donte Whitner (Thanks Marv, could have gotten the same production from former WR, George Wilson)

2006- John McCargo- (exactly)

2007- Marshawn Lynch- your #3 now?

2008- Leodis McKelvin (promising.....)

2009- Aaron Maybin- (joke, utter joke)

2009- Eric Wood (maybe the anchor of OL for ten years, maybe)

2010- CJ Spiller (we'll see)

A franchise cannot afford to swing and miss in the first round as much as Buffalo. Buffalo has more undrafted free agents on their roster right now than first round picks.
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Cleveland & Buffalo have to be the two worst drafting teams of the past few decades.

 
bulger2holt said:
Rams2007- 3-132008 - 2-142009 - 1-152010 - 0-2 Do you think we are chitting in tall cotten over here ?
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I keep trying to comfort myself that we could have won both games. I wonder if I will be looking at an 0-16 team wondering why we didn't go 8-8.
 
steelwind said:
Millions of dollars spent on football players. Fans buying season tickets, jerseys and watch the games on TV. How can they sit and not trade one of their RBs to help the need in other areas? put such a poor product out there year after year?

How can they be so poor at judging talent and let Trent Edwards Zambrano tank one season after another?

Why did they draft a RB in the first round only to put him #3 on the depth chart?

How do the Buffalo Bills fans remain supportive of their home team? Props to you all that stick it out.



At least Stl Rams drafted a QB and it looks promising.

Detroit Lions is starting their rookie RB and they are at least competing even without Stafford.
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Chicago Cubs
 
Gottabesweet said:
Russ Brandon actually came into where I work, I go so can we trade Lynch for AJ Hawk, He then gets mad and says do you watch film? we don't need him, do I walk into here and tell you what you guys should do... I said you can if you want... then said maybe we can trade for Brian Cushing or Clay Matthews for Aaron Maybin and he smirked and said have a good day
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Brandon was a friend of mine in college and he is actually a very nice guy
 
The Rams and Lions might have been more hapless over the last few years, but the Bills are in worse shape. They look like a franchise that doesn't have a clue. I mean, a retread like Chan Gailey? Good Lord. At least the higher-ups in St. Louis and Detroit are trying to turn it around. I honestly feel sorry for Buffalo Bills fans. Losing four Super Bowls was bad enough, but to now have to endure this?

 
bulger2holt said:
Rams2007- 3-132008 - 2-142009 - 1-152010 - 0-2 Do you think we are chitting in tall cotten over here ?
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At least your team is competitive now with Bradford. If they have a good draft then I can see them contending for a playoff spot in a couple of years. Their defense is actually playing some good ball. I think they get win #1 this season on Sunday.As for the Bills fan. I hear you man. I would be frustrated as well.
 
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