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The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
There's probably lots of differences between them. The only thing they have in common is the nature of the opposition they face.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Bingo. This is even a bigger problem than
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TheIronSheik
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Polar Votex has been around for over a hundred years. The media learned a new word this winter and ran with it. But I can assure you that the term Polar Vortex has been around for a long time.I thought the White House science advisor guy was the one pushing the polar vortexes as a consequence of global warming....or have your switched you view?It's funny how much the monkeys dance when you bring up stuff like Polar Vortexes or whatever you want to call them.
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IronSheik the Weather Geek
The vortex spins the other way in the southern hemisphere, which is why they call it an equatorial vortex.Polar Votex has been around for over a hundred years. The media learned a new word this winter and ran with it. But I can assure you that the term Polar Vortex has been around for a long time.I thought the White House science advisor guy was the one pushing the polar vortexes as a consequence of global warming....or have your switched you view?
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IronSheik the Weather Geek
That explains the graphic.The vortex spins the other way in the southern hemisphere, which is why they call it an equatorial vortex.Polar Votex has been around for over a hundred years. The media learned a new word this winter and ran with it. But I can assure you that the term Polar Vortex has been around for a long time.I thought the White House science advisor guy was the one pushing the polar vortexes as a consequence of global warming....or have your switched you view?
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IronSheik the Weather Geek
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
The_Man
Footballguy
That was posted in response to a previous post that cited the amount of Great Lakes ice as evidence to refute global warming. Which is more selective?
How about 349 consecutive months - is that a meaningful period of time? Because, with March 2014's numbers now in the books, that's how long its been since any month recorded a global temperature below the 20th Century average.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
so nothings melting at a record pace?
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
It's like dealing with children.
jonessed
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
"There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!"
The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.
"Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers, "when there's no wolf!" They went grumbling back down the hill.
Later, the boy sang out again, "Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!" To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.
When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, "Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don't cry 'wolf' when there is NO wolf!"
But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.
Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, "Wolf! Wolf!"
But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn't come.
At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn't returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.
"There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, "Wolf!" Why didn't you come?"
An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.
"We'll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning," he said, putting his arm around the youth, "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"
The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.
"Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers, "when there's no wolf!" They went grumbling back down the hill.
Later, the boy sang out again, "Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!" To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.
When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, "Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don't cry 'wolf' when there is NO wolf!"
But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.
Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, "Wolf! Wolf!"
But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn't come.
At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn't returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.
"There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, "Wolf!" Why didn't you come?"
An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.
"We'll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning," he said, putting his arm around the youth, "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"
Josie Maran
Footballguy
very wisdom
such fable
wow
such fable
wow
Koya
Footballguy
May you die in a freak May bizzard.Polar Votex has been around for over a hundred years. The media learned a new word this winter and ran with it. But I can assure you that the term Polar Vortex has been around for a long time.I thought the White House science advisor guy was the one pushing the polar vortexes as a consequence of global warming....or have your switched you view?
Signed,
IronSheik the Weather Geek
That is a clever way to spin the fact that for the last 15 years the warming has stopped despite the predictions that warming would accelerate. Why not admit there is a lot if crap we don't understand and we need to re-evaluate our models.
And by not stopped you mean there is some minuscule warming that is some 600 percent lower than the projected trend?
joffer
Footballguy
No, I'm saying that global warming hasn't stopped.
Lol. Let's just make a theory that can't predict anything and will just make excuses to explain we have no idea how all this stuff works together.
joffer
Footballguy
Is this English?
Josie Maran
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
You wouldn't know good science if it walked up, sat on your face, and wiggled.It is to English as global warming is to scientific theory.
You wouldn't know good science if it walked up, sat on your face, and wiggled.It is to English as global warming is to scientific theory.
You are a clueless.
joffer
Footballguy
I'm gonna assume your drunk. Cya mañanaYou wouldn't know good science if it walked up, sat on your face, and wiggled.It is to English as global warming is to scientific theory.
Your assumptions are as wrong as those used in global warming models.I'm gonna assume your drunk. Cya mañanaYou wouldn't know good science if it walked up, sat on your face, and wiggled.It is to English as global warming is to scientific theory.
Josie Maran
Footballguy
DaVinci
FairTaxguy
I think this chart obviously shows that the US has conquered global warming. It's the rest of the world that needs to get its #### together.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Amazing that people cant see and believe whats going on all around them...boggles the mind
The_Man
Footballguy
It is categorically false to state that global warming has stopped over the last 15 years. It is empirically, demonstrably untrue.
Please read what Peter Gleick has to say about this subject in Forbes. Forbes is not generally considered a bastion of wild liberal speculation.
As he points out, the planet has warmed over the last 15 years (this is empirical fact) and that the last 15 years are the hottest 15 years in the 130 years that temperatures have been measured (again a fact).
spreagle
Footballguy
Northern part of US is still a frozen wasteland, Lake Superior has a lot of ice (per my eyeballs 5 days ago, ice as far as I could see) there is still 30 inches of solid ice on the inland lakes (per my ice drill) and two feet of snow in the woods (walked dog in woods). In my entire life I don't remember seeing this much ice at Easter. I think my parents got another foot of snow yesterday.
Temperature maps are a little misleading because because you don't see ice in that temperature map, a lot of the cold which should have spread out during the winter went into making ice in North America and that ice is still there. That ice is reflecting spring sunlight right back into space when it should be warming things up, and It will take a lot of energy to melt that ice.
Temperature maps are a little misleading because because you don't see ice in that temperature map, a lot of the cold which should have spread out during the winter went into making ice in North America and that ice is still there. That ice is reflecting spring sunlight right back into space when it should be warming things up, and It will take a lot of energy to melt that ice.
culdeus
Footballguy
el nino usually means nearly no hurricanes in the gulf at least. It's a fairly know phenomenon.
timschochet
Footballguy
Of all the denialist movements, this one is the most widespread. It didn't used to be that way. A decade ago, most Republicans accepted global warming; they just opposed government based solutions as ineffective and bad for the economy. Today, largely as a result of talk radio and a bunch of pseudo scientists throwing out smokescreens, the majority of Reublicans deny the science.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
That's a bunch of horse-####, Tim, and you know it. You're completely misrepresenting conservatives - as usual. No one is denying climate change - what they're SKEPTIC of is man's involvement and whether we need to spend billions of dollars (when other countries get a pass) to fill the pockets of guys like Al Gore.
I wish you were my employee because I could inform you despite the fact you have not seen a raise in 15 years, those last 15 years were in fact the most salary you ever got over a 15 year period, thus you had to have been given a raise. I love when people try to spin numbers and don't even realize how dumb the spin is. Yes, the earth has been in a warming trend. We have seen mostly increases in the last 10,000 plus years. But we really don't know how much is attributed to man and the models are seemingly assuming that CO2 is a bigger driver to temperature increases than it actually is.
Rove!
Footballguy
Are you implying the smartest scientists in the world didn't take that into account when they created their models? Wow, if only they had asked "joffer."
The_Man
Footballguy
2005 and 2010 were both hotter than 1998. How come I didn't get my raises those years?
In fact, based on your analogy, here's how my salary would have gone since you paid me a record-setting amount in 98:
99: cut
00: raise
01: raise
02: raise (5th highest pay ever)
03: raise (4th highest pay ever - almost back up to 98's record)
04: cut
05: raise (2nd highest pay ever - more than 98!)
06: cut
07: raise
08: cut
09: raise
10: raise (highest ever - thanks, boss!)
11: cut
12: raise
And here's the best part -- 13 of the 15 years I've worked for you have been the years with the highest salaries that have ever been paid.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
But you see, if you plot it on and x-y-z axis...
jonessed
Footballguy
The earth has not warmed over the last 15 years unless you use 2011 as the endpoint. This cooling trend is also expected to continue for at least another decade.I will leave it to the scientists to put that into context and figure out why their models missed it, but there is something incredibly ironic about using 2011 data to admonish people about cherry-picking data points.
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The_Man
Footballguy
Link? Shred of evidence? Anything at all to substantiate a claim that is just completely factually wrong?
Rove!
Footballguy
