Tim says that any scientist who doesn't believe in AGW as much as Al Gore does is either not competent in the area of climate research, or is in bed with the oil industry. I hope he comes to enlighten us as to this guy's bias.
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The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism (2 Viewers)
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Josie Maran
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Sand
Footballguy
Huh - that seems to be a very reasonable comment, IMO. And, frankly, what the issue needs. Scientists doing science and arguing results instead of this political cult of conformity that we seem to have now.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Bengtsson: I have always been a skeptic and I believe this is what most scientists really are.
timschochet
Footballguy
Lots of skeptics statements are reasonable, but in this political climate they get nailed with the Nazi-'denier' label. The rhetoric and peer pressure is so over the top to keep the troops in lock step.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't know anything about this guy; I read his bio and he seems highly respected. But I note that, when thousands of scientists around the world say this is a serious problem, none of the conservatives in this thread take any notice. But when ONE GUY doubts and says now that he MAY no longer believe in it, suddenly we have to give that guy major kudos and attention.
MAY no longer believe in it? Did you even click on the link or did you just read the one quote posted in this thread?????
Josie Maran
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timschochet
Footballguy
I did. And he downplays his skepticism. The article states he no longer believes in it, but I can't find anywhere where HE clearly states it. But even if he doesn't, so what? He's one guy. As I've pointed out several times, I don't understand the science enough to distinguish his objections and decide if they deserve weight or not. From my limited knowledge, it seems as if the seas are absorbing the warming much more than the original models predicted, and this has led to a "pause", which most scientists don't believe is a pause at all but which the skeptics are seizing upon.MAY no longer believe in it? Did you even click on the link or did you just read the one quote posted in this thread?????
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
This is kind of like a political debate where you answer what you want to answer instead of answering the question written. I applauded his skeptic, scientific nature. I don't care whether he believes it is a problem or man made or any of that. He's coming at this from a researcher's point of view - not a politician's or real estate developer's or true believer's. It's nice to see someone address this from the direction it needs to be addressed.
But you are going to read what you want to see, so carry on.
timschochet
Footballguy
All right now I have to admit I'm getting a little suspicious of this guy. Last night I was, despite everything, very impressed by the interview and beginning to wonder if what he was arguing actually made sense and whether or not the validity of man made global warming was legitimately open to question. But this letter, with it's charge of left wing McCathyism sounds so much like your typical Rush Limbaugh screed against GW that it sounds both politically motivated and completely bogus. Just my impression.
He felt like he was being black-balled by people. He made no reference to left-wing. I am not sure what you find so wrong about it.
CurlyNight
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I would say the non-believers are now believers in climate change in San Diego right about now. Record drought in CA ever, several fires burning, and all in May when it's not even fire season yet!
CurlyNight
Footballguy
What can I say. The earth is getting angrier as time goes on shown in more fierce storms and extremes than before.A highly scientific look at things.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
sometimes living it is a better gauge than a bunch of blowhards arguing statsA highly scientific look at things.
Like the record cold winter that was across much of the country. Every year, there is going to be some region having record highs or record lows during sometime of the year.sometimes living it is a better gauge than a bunch of blowhards arguing statsA highly scientific look at things.
tommyboy
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Actually the opposite has occurred.What can I say. The earth is getting angrier as time goes on shown in more fierce storms and extremes than before.A highly scientific look at things.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
tell that to all the climate refugeesActually the opposite has occurred.What can I say. The earth is getting angrier as time goes on shown in more fierce storms and extremes than before.A highly scientific look at things.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Actually the opposite has occurred.What can I say. The earth is getting angrier as time goes on shown in more fierce storms and extremes than before.A highly scientific look at things.
timschochet
Footballguy
That's awful. GW Ais all about stats. When you rely on anecdotes to defend GW, you're no better than the deniers who mock it with anecdotes.sometimes living it is a better gauge than a bunch of blowhards arguing statsA highly scientific look at things.
Hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, wild fires all have a downward trend.Actually the opposite has occurred.What can I say. The earth is getting angrier as time goes on shown in more fierce storms and extremes than before.A highly scientific look at things.
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glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Koya
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jonessed
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He's clearly been bought out by the oil companies. It's important that scientific journals and peers start to shun him.
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jonessed
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I'm pretty sure wildfires in California have been occurring for a long time.sometimes living it is a better gauge than a bunch of blowhards arguing statsA highly scientific look at things.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
It is different this time.
I just had my front porch re-done.
Underneath the boards in the dirt was a lengthy booklet from 1895 espousing irrefutable, widely-accepted science regarding the benefits of a certain nerve tonic.
Skepticism is good.
Nope, just looked at the pictures. I did see the 12.3 million figure, and again my response to that is - that's it? I was expecting something dramatic.
It's also notable that even they don't project 10 feet any time soon.
4 feet over 2 plus centuries? 10 feet probably taking closer to a millenium? Oh noooooo!!!!!!!!! The 12.3 million people are going to have some time to be displaced in a pretty orderly fashion, with some pretty kick ### technology that hasn't even been imagined yet to help them. No big deal. And the truth is, this alarmist BS probably overstates the issue just like almost all of the alarmist BS before it.
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That's just typical living on the coast stuff though - we need to start including these dramatic sea level rises into their calculations since it's all so certain. These people should be virtually uninsurable.
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CurlyNight
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This is unprecedented to have such devastation in May not to mention the drought is the worst on record...I'm pretty sure wildfires in California have been occurring for a long time.sometimes living it is a better gauge than a bunch of blowhards arguing statsA highly scientific look at things.
Sounds like some more people that need a serious mark up in insurance rates.This is unprecedented to have such devastation in May not to mention the drought is the worst on record...I'm pretty sure wildfires in California have been occurring for a long time.sometimes living it is a better gauge than a bunch of blowhards arguing statsA highly scientific look at things.
Josie Maran
Footballguy
Saw this yesterday and couldn't wait for the snark in here. Good work fellas.
jonessed
Footballguy
And 2011 was one of the wettest.The weather can change. Go figure.CurlyNight said:This is unprecedented to have such devastation in May not to mention the drought is the worst on record...jonessed said:I'm pretty sure wildfires in California have been occurring for a long time.BustedKnuckles said:sometimes living it is a better gauge than a bunch of blowhards arguing statsMello said:A highly scientific look at things.CurlyNight said:
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Chaos Commish
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This el nino will end the drought in cali. GB global warming.
psychobillies
Footballguy
So it's thousands of scientists against just one guy? That is pretty damning. No doubt the ones that agree with GW have no political motives, but THAT guy...
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The episode’s parallel story line explores the cause of events like Hurricane Sandy. “Years” correspondent Dr. M. Sanjayan, Executive Vice President and senior scientist at Conservation International, travels to Christmas Island, located in the southern Pacific, near the equator. This area is the source of El Niño, a naturally occurring rise in water temperature of up to 14 degrees that lasts about 6 months, and reorganizes the atmospheric circulation of the entire globe. Atmospheric changes brought on by El Niño can result in all manner of natural disasters — from droughts to floods.
Sanjayan asks scientist Kim Cobb whether El Niños are getting worse because of human impact on our climate. And just as the aerial image of Hurricane Sandy is breathtaking in an ominous way, the source of Cobb’s answer is breathtaking in a miraculous one. Coral, like trees, is an environmental archivist that can store data forthousands of years.
Coral, explains Cobb, stops growing when it gets too hot. In a core specimen taken from the ocean floor, we see a gash, or disruption of growth, that dates back to 1997-1998, the year of the worst El Niño event on record: more than 20,000 people were killed worldwide in a rash of floods, mud slides, droughts, and fires.
Cobb discovers the answer to Sanjayan’s question inside samples of fossilized coral that contain thousands of years of data. Her findings are striking.
“There’s something different about these 30 to 40 years in the recent past: larger events, more frequent events….The inference in uncovering an unprecedented behavior in climate in the last 30, 40 years as opposed to the natural variations of the last 6000 — the strong inference is that that is causally linked and that it’s related to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.”
Cobb is talking about rising carbon dioxide caused by human activity. In fact, as a group of Staten Island teens learn when climate scientists from Columbia University visit their school after Hurricane Sandy, one out of every four carbon dioxide molecules in the atmosphere is caused by human activity. And the extra foot of sea level caused by climate change played a huge role in making Sandy worse.
tommyboy
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Fossil Coral Records Suggest that Recent El Nino Activity Rises Above Noisy Background
By examining a set of fossil corals that are as much as 7,000 years old, scientists have dramatically expanded the amount of information available on the El Nino-Southern Oscillation, a Pacific Ocean climate cycle that affects climate worldwide. The new information will help assess the accuracy of climate model projections for 21st century climate change in the tropical Pacific.
The new coral data show that 20th century El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO) climate cycles are significantly stronger than ENSO variations captured in the fossil corals. But the data also reveal large natural variations in past ENSO strength, making it difficult to attribute the 20th century intensification of ENSO to rising carbon dioxide levels. Such large natural fluctuations in ENSO activity are also apparent in multi-century climate model simulations......
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Using the new sequences to quantify the range of natural variability in ENSO strength, the researchers have detected a modest, but statistically-significant increase in 20th century ENSO strength that may be related to anthropogenic climate change. However, the coral reconstruction shows an even higher level of ENSO strength 400 years ago, though its duration was shorter.
“The level of ENSO variability we see in the 20th century is not unprecedented,” Cobb said. “But the 20th century does stand out, statistically, as being higher than the fossil coral baseline.”
http://www.gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/fossil-coral-records/
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