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The Clay Mathews “Roughing” Call... (1 Viewer)
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fatness
Footballguy
I agree, it's a bad rule. He didn't launch into him, or pick him up and piledrive him.
But it's being called a lot, not just on Matthews. And sorry if I mistook you for one of the Packer fan whiners, to whom every call against the Packers is "fixed".
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I just watched the replay frame by frame. I think it may have been knee to knee contact that blew his knee out...much like the Wentz hit last year. The question is..why did he even cut back in as he was going nowhere.
Pipes
Footballguy
Lol not one sane Packer fan believes they lost today because of that call. Redskins outplayed the Packers in all facets of the game
Buffaloes
Footballguy
NFL officials willfully ignore calls every game. Offensive Holding on pass plays, intentional grounding just about every time it occurs, the targeting rule, the 'tuck rule' for pretty much the entire history of the league minus one play. The logical thing to do would be to ignore this one as well. Problem solved.
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Deamon
Footballguy
Really? It was clearly his left knee that is torn and it went completely sideways and wonky before if it was even touched by anyone else.
NFL calls Matthews play 'textbook' roughing the passer.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-clay-matthews-hit-alex-002540306.html
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-clay-matthews-hit-alex-002540306.html
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Insein
Footballguy
If they want to call the QB in the grass the moment Mathews touches him, then ok. The problem is, Smith is a mobile QB. If Mathews doesn't take him to the ground, he's going to get away and maybe gain some yards. They are not calling it a sack as soon as Mathews touches him so of court he needs to keep tackling him.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Fortunately, a league as well run as the NFL with the caliber of leadership you would expect at this level......will easily connect these dots and fix the issue quickly.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It will take some training and practice but what sackers need to do from now on is flip themselves after the hit so the QB lands on top of them.
Pipes
Footballguy
Agreed but that's stupid. Good luck trying to flip Cam Newton in the split second before hitting the ground.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Really don`t know how it will work with Newton as he can shake guys off but That is what the NFL wants. I saw Allen and Wentz both spin out of sacks yesterday.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Glad I gave up watching the travesty that is the NFL after they issued their ridiculous statement last week supporting the call on Matthews. The straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I sincerely hope others tune out too. The league needs to be sent a message, especially after reading what apparently happened in yesterday’s games.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Dolphins William Hayes is out for the season. He tore his ACL on the sack. “He was trying to not put his body weight on the quarterback and that happened,” Dolphins Coach Adam Gase.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Is this WWE now?Da Guru said:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I do understand the intent of the rule. In years past I have seen defensive players slam the QB and put unnecessary extra body weight and piledrive them into the turf. I always hated when they did that.
I am only talking about Matthews because Dungy, Romo, Nantz, Blandino talked about his hit. I have not heard one former player or announcer think this should be a penalty. Tony Romo a former QB said it is absurd yesterday.
To make the call correctly it needs to be reviewed at game speed to see intent because these calls are game changers.
That is 3 personal fouls in 3 weeks so if the NFL believes this is dirty play they should be putting a heavy fine on Matthews. Be interesting to see how the NFL handles this.
I am only talking about Matthews because Dungy, Romo, Nantz, Blandino talked about his hit. I have not heard one former player or announcer think this should be a penalty. Tony Romo a former QB said it is absurd yesterday.
To make the call correctly it needs to be reviewed at game speed to see intent because these calls are game changers.
That is 3 personal fouls in 3 weeks so if the NFL believes this is dirty play they should be putting a heavy fine on Matthews. Be interesting to see how the NFL handles this.
We are there. It is so bad. And people all over the country are flipping out. The media is starting to flip out, announcers and color guys are flipping out.
It is a total joke how over reactive the referees have become. The game is about the refs now and not the players. Totally out of hand. Changing games every week.
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The driving the QB into the ground BS needs to go away.
https://twitter.com/_joeyhayden/status/1043961664268369920/video/1
That's step #1. Every official is different and we already have seen that some think it's a penalty and others don't...for tackling the QB.
If it's not changed then it should be challengeable and one single person in the NFL front offices should review and make a decision on every roughing the passer penalty that is challenged. Data travels fast enough to be able to do this now.
https://twitter.com/_joeyhayden/status/1043961664268369920/video/1
That's step #1. Every official is different and we already have seen that some think it's a penalty and others don't...for tackling the QB.
If it's not changed then it should be challengeable and one single person in the NFL front offices should review and make a decision on every roughing the passer penalty that is challenged. Data travels fast enough to be able to do this now.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The most egregious ever may be Ravens Tony Siragusa riding Rich Gannon to the ground like a hobby horse, giving him the hard shoulder, deliberately body slamming him, long after the throw was out.
It’s just such a cheap shot play, absolutely trying to hurt someone and literally nothing at all like what Matthews did. That’s what the NFL is trying to avoid, yet remarkably Siragusa was rewarded with a sideline job after retiring. Hell, I’m not sure the refs even threw a flag on that one.
https://youtu.be/C__R2dGa6qs
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That is exactly the type of hit that needed to be outlawed. Plus it was late as well. A shove would have sufficed.The most egregious ever may be Ravens Tony Siragusa riding Rich Gannon to the ground like a hobby horse, giving him the hard shoulder, deliberately body slamming him, long after the throw was out.
It’s just such a cheap shot play, absolutely trying to hurt someone and literally nothing at all like what Matthews did. That’s what the NFL is trying to avoid, yet remarkably Siragusa was rewarded with a sideline job after retiring. Hell, I’m not sure the refs even threw a flag on that one.
https://youtu.be/C__R2dGa6qs
btemp
Footballguy
How did Phil Simms have a job that long?The most egregious ever may be Ravens Tony Siragusa riding Rich Gannon to the ground like a hobby horse, giving him the hard shoulder, deliberately body slamming him, long after the throw was out.
It’s just such a cheap shot play, absolutely trying to hurt someone and literally nothing at all like what Matthews did. That’s what the NFL is trying to avoid, yet remarkably Siragusa was rewarded with a sideline job after retiring. Hell, I’m not sure the refs even threw a flag on that one.
https://youtu.be/C__R2dGa6qs
Doug B
Footballguy
Drew Brees slowly and clumsily spun away from two defenders in the open field when he scored his first rushing TD against Atlanta. Either the defenders were expecting a slide or they had "can't blow up the QB" in their minds, because they had clear shots at Brees.Da Guru said:
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Another good question. Every bit an assault on my ears as Siragusa’s “people’s elbow” was on Gannon’s torso.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
You can almost justify it with a straight face when the QB has already thrown the ball, but on an actual sack, where the QB hasn't thrown the thing... Oof.
trader jake
Footballguy
Like most poorly run organizations, the NFL doubles down too often when faced with poor decisions. The Clay Matthews hit from two weeks ago is now going to be used as a ''teaching tool' by the league? Of what - a crap call? Nope, instead the NFL has once again proven totally inept at making judgement calls and will now enforce the rulebook/make up new rules, changing it on the fly and acting like 90% of the fans that think it's BS are all wrong. No amount of their reinterpretation and verbage can change that.
The EXACT same thing occurred with the catch rule almost a decade ago. Calvin Johnson makes a game-winning TD catch - only to have it incorrectly ruled a non-catch. Then the NFL stated that crap call was correct, slowly changed what a catch was, confused/pissed everyone off, fought against the fans/media that questioned them, continued to call it wrong for almost a decade, then finally started calling it correctly (during last year's Super Bowl no less), then officially changed the rule...back to what it freakin' was from the beginning. Hurray?
Go re-read that last paragraph and replace 'Calvin Johnson makes a game-winning TD catch' with 'Clay Matthews makes a game-winning hit on a QB' to see how this is likely to play out. Only, with the way the NFL is with player safety, errrr... making money, I'm not so sure this one will eventually be reversed as long as owners like Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder and rules trial-ballon vantriloquist Mike Murphy are the 'leaders' in charge of things.
BTW - To give another example of this approach to the rulebook by the NFL, see the Tuck Rule (Charles Woodson sack/fumble of Tom Brady the Raiders got hosed on). This is no longer a rule, but we had to listen to the NFL's BS on that type of play for 12 years before they went back to how it was (play occurred/was incorrectly called in 2001 and was officially voted out in 2013). So, so stupid. The lack of common sense, transparency, and penchant for rulebook non-sense by the league is stupifying.
The EXACT same thing occurred with the catch rule almost a decade ago. Calvin Johnson makes a game-winning TD catch - only to have it incorrectly ruled a non-catch. Then the NFL stated that crap call was correct, slowly changed what a catch was, confused/pissed everyone off, fought against the fans/media that questioned them, continued to call it wrong for almost a decade, then finally started calling it correctly (during last year's Super Bowl no less), then officially changed the rule...back to what it freakin' was from the beginning. Hurray?
Go re-read that last paragraph and replace 'Calvin Johnson makes a game-winning TD catch' with 'Clay Matthews makes a game-winning hit on a QB' to see how this is likely to play out. Only, with the way the NFL is with player safety, errrr... making money, I'm not so sure this one will eventually be reversed as long as owners like Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder and rules trial-ballon vantriloquist Mike Murphy are the 'leaders' in charge of things.
BTW - To give another example of this approach to the rulebook by the NFL, see the Tuck Rule (Charles Woodson sack/fumble of Tom Brady the Raiders got hosed on). This is no longer a rule, but we had to listen to the NFL's BS on that type of play for 12 years before they went back to how it was (play occurred/was incorrectly called in 2001 and was officially voted out in 2013). So, so stupid. The lack of common sense, transparency, and penchant for rulebook non-sense by the league is stupifying.
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The good news is that NBC Sports carries Premier League Rugby and it is a great season so far. Bath at Saracens this Saturday morning should be a great one.
30 players, one ref, no problems
30 players, one ref, no problems
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
The NFL has lost me. For the first time in 55 years I choose to not watch the Packers game. The lowlights that I have seen have convinced me my decision was correct.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
What if we made robots that QBs controlled via some type of virtual reality headset. The defenders could rip off the robot QB's arms, no one would care.
Hov34
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heckmanm
Footballguy
Birdnals
Footballguy
What makes this all even more surreal is that the NFL is now suggesting proper tackling involves just hitting people hard enough with their shoulder pads so that the other person falls down. Pretty sure I would've been sent to run laps if I tried tackling like that back when I played.
This is completely absurd. The NFL will tolerate a terrible injury to DLs because of injuries to the QB. They will be lucky to survive Goodell as the top sport in America
Army Eye
Footballguy
It's SO frustrating. To me, the worst threat to players' health in this league is the players launching themselves at each other head-first in lieu of tackling. Now we're penalizing guys for actual proper tackling technique if it's on the almighty quarterback
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1046339627928494080?s=21
committee now says hit on Cousins wasn’t a penalty and hopefully this part is true-there won’t be as many roughing the passer penalty’s.
committee now says hit on Cousins wasn’t a penalty and hopefully this part is true-there won’t be as many roughing the passer penalty’s.
