The edge I can get from Chat GPT? (1 Viewer)

[Hartliner]

I have followed trends in fantasy analysis for a while to get my edge on leaguemates, I used Sleeper app when it launched to get news quicker, Rate My Teams tools during my mocks to see what build strategy was best, fantasy pro's playbook, excel etc.

I haven't really heard of anyone using ChatGPT for fantasy. Chat GPT strength is language processing so it can't always give you logical answers to questions like 'who do I pick this round?', but I thought of another use case. Summarizing Long Chat Threads.

I entered a Reddit Thread training_camp_rumblings_so_far into Chat GPT and it gave me the following summary.

"It seems like you're referring to a discussion thread about NFL training camps and players' performances during those camps. Some of the players mentioned as having potential special connections or strong performances in training camp include:

1. Darren Waller
2. Zay Flowers
3. DJ Moore
4. Tyler Conklin
5. Bryce Young
6. Justyn Ross
7. Skyy Moore
8. Courtland Sutton

Keep in mind that training camp rumors and reports can be speculative and might not always accurately predict player performance during the regular season. It's always a good idea to keep an eye on these players throughout the preseason and consider multiple sources of information before making any decisions for your fantasy football team."

I then looked at the players it mentioned in the above list to see if it was contextually correct. For the most part it was right. I did need to edit out names like Courtland Sutton and Russel Wilson since someone was citing them as a hype in 2022 that did not pan out.

I have not seen this used. I'm using it as a data point. But just getting a list of names to follow up on and sift thru is feeling helpful atm.
It helped me spotlight Tyler Conklin who I previously didn't have on my radar, but they said he is building chemistry with AROD similar to Tonyan in camp.

 

[massraider]

Well done!

Been going down a rabbit hole with AI lately, lot to learn

 

[barackdhouse]

Awesome

 

[Faust]

FaustGPT is the only bot that you need in your corner.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

No access to real time data is a problem for Chat GPT in this arena, but having it mine reddit threads is a great work around. Well done!

 

[bostonfred]

FaustGPT is the only bot that you need in your corner.

Which of these pictures has a traffic light?

 

[Hartliner]

Time to revisit.

Lets see if this was helpful retrospectfully for 2024. I src'd https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/1du25fv/2024_breakout_candidates/

Potential Breakout Players
Quarterbacks

• • Jordan Love: Expected to ascend to a higher level after a strong performance last year.
  • Trevor Lawrence: Mentioned as a potential league winner.
  • Anthony Richardson: Despite injury concerns, he's considered a league winner potential.
  • Jalen Hurts: Compared to Richardson as a keeper option.

Running Backs

• • Bijan Robinson: Expected to have a strong season.
  • Zack Moss: Mentioned as a potential bell cow RB.
  • Jaylen Warren: Cited for his role in a 2-RB system.
  • Derrick Henry: Predicted to lead the league in rushing touchdowns.

Wide Receivers

• • Garrett Wilson: Expected to have 1500+ yards and 10+ touchdowns.
  • Drake London: Predicted to have 1300+ yards and 5+ touchdowns.
  • George Pickens: Expected to ascend and become a top target.
  • Jaxon Smith-Njigba: Mentioned as a potential WR2.
  • Diontae Johnson: Discussed for his potential despite health concerns.

Tight Ends

• • Dalton Kincaid: Expected to be TE1.
  • Kyle Pitts: Mentioned as a potential breakout despite past performances.
  • Hunter Henry: Cited for his potential as a safety blanket for Maye.

 

[Hartliner]

For 2025, I'm starting out basically the same as last time. Using AI ChatGPT to mine the frequent names mentioned in the reddit thread, https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/1motqpw/whos_your_guy_in_fantasy_this_year/This appears to be a collection of fantasy football discussion comments where users share their player predictions, strategies, and opinions on various NFL players. If you'd like, I can analyze, summarize, or extract specific information from this content. Let me know how I can assist!

Can you summarize the top 10 names that appear the most from the list?


Certainly! Here are the top 10 most frequently mentioned names in the discussion:

1. Jakobi Meyers – Mentioned multiple times, often as a target or undervalued player.
2. Calvin Ridley – Frequently discussed as a potential WR1 and value pick.
3. Breece Hall – Mentioned in context with RBs and return from injury.
4. TreVeyon Henderson – Highlighted as a breakout RB candidate.
5. Chase Brown – Highlighted as a potential top RB and value pick.
6. George Pickens – Frequently discussed as a rising WR with high upside.
7. Bijan Robinson – Mentioned as a top-tier RB and draft target.
8. Kenneth Walker (Walker, K9) – Mentioned as a player with high upside and potential.
9. Jordan Mason – Mentioned as a sleeper or breakout candidate.
10. Ladd (Lavel) – Mentioned as an underappreciated WR option.

 

[zed2283]

I've been trying this since January, and it highlights the (at least current) limitations of AI, no matter what they try to tell you. Remember this when AI tells you that you need a kidney removed.

 

[Hartliner]

Time to revisit.

Lets see if this was helpful retrospectfully for 2024. I src'd https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/1du25fv/2024_breakout_candidates/

Potential Breakout Players
Quarterbacks

• • Jordan Love: Expected to ascend to a higher level after a strong performance last year.
  • Trevor Lawrence: Mentioned as a potential league winner.
  • Anthony Richardson: Despite injury concerns, he's considered a league winner potential.
  • Jalen Hurts: Compared to Richardson as a keeper option.

Running Backs

• • Bijan Robinson: Expected to have a strong season.
  • Zack Moss: Mentioned as a potential bell cow RB.
  • Jaylen Warren: Cited for his role in a 2-RB system.
  • Derrick Henry: Predicted to lead the league in rushing touchdowns.

Wide Receivers

• • Garrett Wilson: Expected to have 1500+ yards and 10+ touchdowns.
  • Drake London: Predicted to have 1300+ yards and 5+ touchdowns.
  • George Pickens: Expected to ascend and become a top target.
  • Jaxon Smith-Njigba: Mentioned as a potential WR2.
  • Diontae Johnson: Discussed for his potential despite health concerns.

Tight Ends

• • Dalton Kincaid: Expected to be TE1.
  • Kyle Pitts: Mentioned as a potential breakout despite past performances.
  • Hunter Henry: Cited for his potential as a safety blanket for Maye

2024 Results. Personally, I managed to grab a lot of misses from this list in the middle late rounds, Diontae, Kincaid, Pickens, Warren, Moss were all had by me last year.
Drake London and JSN are the biggest hits for 2024. So the Hits that are at least middle rounds don't seem all that high and this was prolly not an effective way to draft.

 

[Hartliner]

For 2025, I'm starting out basically the same as last time. Using AI ChatGPT to mine the frequent names mentioned in the reddit thread, https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/1motqpw/whos_your_guy_in_fantasy_this_year/This appears to be a collection of fantasy football discussion comments where users share their player predictions, strategies, and opinions on various NFL players. If you'd like, I can analyze, summarize, or extract specific information from this content. Let me know how I can assist!

Can you summarize the top 10 names that appear the most from the list?


Certainly! Here are the top 10 most frequently mentioned names in the discussion:

1. Jakobi Meyers – Mentioned multiple times, often as a target or undervalued player.
2. Calvin Ridley – Frequently discussed as a potential WR1 and value pick.
3. Breece Hall – Mentioned in context with RBs and return from injury.
4. TreVeyon Henderson – Highlighted as a breakout RB candidate.
5. Chase Brown – Highlighted as a potential top RB and value pick.
6. George Pickens – Frequently discussed as a rising WR with high upside.
7. Bijan Robinson – Mentioned as a top-tier RB and draft target.
8. Kenneth Walker (Walker, K9) – Mentioned as a player with high upside and potential.
9. Jordan Mason – Mentioned as a sleeper or breakout candidate.
10. Ladd (Lavel) – Mentioned as an underappreciated WR option.

I'm all in on Chase Brown and Pickens, everyone else seems to be high, but I will circle intrigue on Jakobi Meyers and Calvin Ridley for my draft or at least research it a bit more(https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MsWAG221rQY)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have followed trends in fantasy analysis for a while to get my edge on leaguemates, I used Sleeper app when it launched to get news quicker, Rate My Teams tools during my mocks to see what build strategy was best, fantasy pro's playbook, excel etc.

I haven't really heard of anyone using ChatGPT for fantasy. Chat GPT strength is language processing so it can't always give you logical answers to questions like 'who do I pick this round?', but I thought of another use case. Summarizing Long Chat Threads.

I entered a Reddit Thread training_camp_rumblings_so_far into Chat GPT and it gave me the following summary.

"It seems like you're referring to a discussion thread about NFL training camps and players' performances during those camps. Some of the players mentioned as having potential special connections or strong performances in training camp include:

1. Darren Waller
2. Zay Flowers
3. DJ Moore
4. Tyler Conklin
5. Bryce Young
6. Justyn Ross
7. Skyy Moore
8. Courtland Sutton

Keep in mind that training camp rumors and reports can be speculative and might not always accurately predict player performance during the regular season. It's always a good idea to keep an eye on these players throughout the preseason and consider multiple sources of information before making any decisions for your fantasy football team."

I then looked at the players it mentioned in the above list to see if it was contextually correct. For the most part it was right. I did need to edit out names like Courtland Sutton and Russel Wilson since someone was citing them as a hype in 2022 that did not pan out.

I have not seen this used. I'm using it as a data point. But just getting a list of names to follow up on and sift thru is feeling helpful atm.
It helped me spotlight Tyler Conklin who I previously didn't have on my radar, but they said he is building chemistry with AROD similar to Tonyan in camp.

The biggest issues I have with ChatGPT are
• scrapes everything, including those bogus spam news “reports” that are pure clickbait for gambling sites (“MIN trades Aaron Jones!” etc)

• Preseason is sometimes revealing. Preseason is oftentimes worthless. Outside of injury, or who’s being held out (because some coaches tell you who their starters are by not playing them) basing a draft position on things that happen in preseason likely doesn’t provide the edge that you’re alleging here.

I’m all for tryina get an edge. To me the best edge is still reading everything you can and distilling the information for yourself. LLM/AI are useful tools, but there’s a lot of flotsam, and those tools are, at present, largely incapable of sorting between what’s valuable information versus what’s just information.

Also, it is well known that ChatGPT hallucinates. You’ll ask for a list of the 1st 12 presidents (as a recent very publicly embarrassing example) and it’ll show you 15 guys in the wrong order, many with names misspelled. So I’d be weary of basing my draft decisions on something that can’t get a basic list right.

Finally, I’ve played with it a bit myself - when asking a somewhat logical question like “should I draft Matthew Golden or Egbuka” the result will be a detailed list of pros and cons for each of these similarly ranked players. But the conclusion is usually hedged - “if you have high risk tolerance you should consider taking [player], but if you want a safe floor, you should probably take [other player] - sometimes it’ll say “based on reddit user eaglefupa6969”, which doesn’t instill the most confidence.

But if you ask ChatGPT if you should take WR-A or WR-B with totally dissimilar valued players, it will go through the same exact exercise - when what it should do is give a succinct, “well since one of those dudes has an ADP of 37 and the other has an ADP of 94th, take them both in the appropriate rounds.” - but it never seems to do that.

Anyway, that’s my experience. I’m all for innovation & edge-seeking. I just don’t think the tech is fully baked, and basing anything on preseason is largely a fool’s errand.

*except for news about Teslaa, Chism, and other marginal late round sleepers that I roster. In their case it’s always 10000% accurate.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

2024 Results. Personally, I managed to grab a lot of misses from this list in the middle late rounds, Diontae, Kincaid, Pickens, Warren, Moss were all had by me last year.
Drake London and JSN are the biggest hits for 2024. So the Hits that are at least middle rounds don't seem all that high and this was prolly not an effective way to draft.

This is a great example. There was a ton of groupthink across the interwebs about Kincaid, which kinda floods the zone. And since a data scraping AI is basically collecting their inputs from that zone, that will be its recommendations.

London & JSN were largely expected to hit as they were highly ranked prospects early in their careers, and in good situations - so it’s not exactly shocking that they ended up being good picks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

but I will circle intrigue on Jakobi Meyers and Calvin Ridley for my draft or at least research it a bit

I’m not sure what ChatGPT added to the process here that simply looking at rankings / expert analysis did not?

These aren’t new or unknown assets. Neither would really be considered a sleeper (though I did buy low on Ridley last offseason).

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Probably a dumb question, but how does this differ from Joe's most recently announced "FBG Assistant Coach" app?

 

[Desert_Power]

2024 Results. Personally, I managed to grab a lot of misses from this list in the middle late rounds, Diontae, Kincaid, Pickens, Warren, Moss were all had by me last year.
Drake London and JSN are the biggest hits for 2024. So the Hits that are at least middle rounds don't seem all that high and this was prolly not an effective way to draft.

This is a great example. There was a ton of groupthink across the interwebs about Kincaid, which kinda floods the zone. And since a data scraping AI is basically collecting their inputs from that zone, that will be its recommendations.

London & JSN were largely expected to hit as they were highly ranked prospects early in their careers, and in good situations - so it’s not exactly shocking that they ended up being good picks.

Had similar thoughts. Good way to know who is hyped, but a lot of that hype is just garbage.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I'm all for creative uses of AI, but I'm skeptical that this will be useful. In my experience, ChatGPT is great for "good enough" output. Need a quick and dirty summary of something? It can give you the gist. Applying for a job and need to quickly draft a cover letter? That's fine, cover letters don't need to be high art. You get the idea.

The problem is that winning fantasy is not about being good enough. Your goal is not to finish in the top half of your league, it's to win it. To that end, I don't think an AI-generated mushy consensus is going to help you find those difference makers. Lots of people think so-and-so is poised for a breakout? That will likely be priced into his ADP. What will really help you is finding those little nuggets of info that are not being ingested by LLMs (or the other managers in your league) and knowing which ones to pay attention to and which to ignore

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

BTW, the fantasy-related AI innovation I'm waiting to see is when hosting platforms integrate it into autodrafting. There is no reason in the Year of Our Lord 2025 for Yahoo to autodraft every starting position, including kicker and defense, before filling out your bench. Autodraft should work like you were telling your fantasy-aware buddy to draft for you: "In the first round, either get Chase, Jefferson or the top available RB. If I don't get a Round 1 RB, pursue a Zero RB strategy. Get a Top 5 QB or a Top 3 TE in the first few rounds, but not both. DST and kicker should be my last two picks, unless the Denver D is available a round earlier", etc.

 

[Saint]

I’ve used Grok AI to do a draft to see the results in a few best balls. I haven’t liked the teams but I guess we will see how the season pans out. I used it to review strategies by draft position as well as forecasting picks, but it aligns to the group think, so be cautious.

 

[Scoresman]

I wonder if you gave AI projections and ADP data, it could spit out an optimal draft by round maximizing starter points.

I do this using Excel Solver for my auction league with projected points and estimated prices, probably might be easier if an AI can do the same.

 

[pinkstapler]

AI will probably be most useful for retrieving and aggregating data sets which have been more of a pita to do yourself in the past. Like "Who were the top 20 WR in YPRR in 2024 with a minimum of 50 receptions"

 

[RenegadeRoy]

I hope my opponents use AI trash.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

AI will probably be most useful for retrieving and aggregating data sets which have been more of a pita to do yourself in the past. Like "Who were the top 20 WR in YPRR in 2024 with a minimum of 50 receptions"

The challenge there is that you can’t completely trust the data.

 

[pinkstapler]

AI will probably be most useful for retrieving and aggregating data sets which have been more of a pita to do yourself in the past. Like "Who were the top 20 WR in YPRR in 2024 with a minimum of 50 receptions"

The challenge there is that you can’t completely trust the data.

For sure. I think we are still a year or two off from even moderate reliability. It's more of a glorified internet scraper at this point just pulling info than doing the computations itself.

 

[Saint]

I wonder if you gave AI projections and ADP data, it could spit out an optimal draft by round maximizing starter points.

I do this using Excel Solver for my auction league with projected points and estimated prices, probably might be easier if an AI can do the same.

That’s what I did. I downloaded projections from a few sites and used FFPC ADP data and had it run optimal drafting strategies. The problem, which is similar to VBD, is it doesn’t really diagnose trends and forecasts well for when a run happens. I used it during the draft to ask for optimal draft strategies based on picks, so I would load up the draft picks in each round and have it run through an analysis if I should shift to a different draft strategy.

As an example, here was an entire AI draft in FFPC superflex best ball in early June:

Qb: Hurts, Darnold, Richardson, Shough
Rb: Connor, Jacobs, Dobbins, Stevenson, Mitchell, Moss
Wr: Adams, Bech, Godwin, Coleman, st. Brown, Douglas, legette, Hyatt
Te: Kittle, Njoku

 

[SoBeDad]

Garbage in, Garbage out. That's true for any draft, including with human GMs.

You need to tell AI the projections and ADPs you trust. Plus the rules, plus league trends from prior drafts. In theory, AI could do projections a round or 2 ahead by giving you probabilities of players or groups of players with the highest projectef points who might be available. Then you would make a decision on the current selection. Or program AI to implement 1000s of simulations based on different strategies, and make decisions based on that. The pros must be using AI to get a small advantage - like the MIT students who brought down the house - except they used far fewer watts. ARE WE BUILDING DATA CENTERS for Fantasy Football?

I asked ChatGPT to teach me Python by helping me create a fantasy football draft simulator. It created a 10-day plan. I'll let you know how it ends. I'm on day 5. ChatGPT helped me to learn R about 18 months ago. Now, I'm good at using ChatGPT to help write R code.

Someone should do a poll about using AI for fantasy football.

 

[joeschmo]

I’ve used Grok AI to do a draft to see the results in a few best balls. I haven’t liked the teams but I guess we will see how the season pans out. I used it to review strategies by draft position as well as forecasting picks, but it aligns to the group think, so be cautious.

Well it's gotta be better than the Gronk AI I was using for my last auction draft. Spent $69 on Cade Otton.

 

[rockaction]

ARE WE BUILDING DATA CENTERS for Fantasy Football?

Considering where I think this is all heading we might as well get some fun or knowledge out of the deal before . . . sigh

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ve used Grok AI to do a draft to see the results in a few best balls. I haven’t liked the teams but I guess we will see how the season pans out. I used it to review strategies by draft position as well as forecasting picks, but it aligns to the group think, so be cautious.

Well it's gotta be better than the Gronk AI I was using for my last auction draft. Spent $69 on Cade Otton.

And you got sold a USAA account you can’t even use!

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I’ve used Grok AI to do a draft to see the results in a few best balls. I haven’t liked the teams but I guess we will see how the season pans out. I used it to review strategies by draft position as well as forecasting picks, but it aligns to the group think, so be cautious.

Well it's gotta be better than the Gronk AI I was using for my last auction draft. Spent $69 on Cade Otton.

That's why I went with Brok AI. I got it super cheap -- to the point where the cost was pretty much irrelevant -- and it's been totally serviceable, if not spectacular. A couple years ago it came very close to winning me a championship. The key was making sure everything else in my tech stack was top of the line

 

[Hartliner]

but I will circle intrigue on Jakobi Meyers and Calvin Ridley for my draft or at least research it a bit

I’m not sure what ChatGPT added to the process here that simply looking at rankings / expert analysis did not?

These aren’t new or unknown assets. Neither would really be considered a sleeper (though I did buy low on Ridley last offseason).

Well I did the basic summarize this reddit thread. So instead of reading all 200+ breakout candidates it basically tallied the amount for me from reddit users. I then asked to tell me the top 10 most cited players in the thread- So I am looking at the group think consensus.

So I am curious if I were to input a thread from FootballGuys 2024 breakout players and see how that list compares to Reddit's 2024 list. Would it fare as well or be about the same?

Also note this is just a quick way to begin analyzing breakouts, like I said Calvin Ridley and Jakobi were not the first names that jumped out to me as 2025 picks that could be difference makers.

As a side note on AI slop, this happens typically if you just ask the general AI questions.

But if you prompt the AI in the conversation and say what do you think of this article on VBD and then say what do think of x player vs z player based on the VBD info you'll actually get a better answer because you gave it more ability to logically answer the question.

 

[Hartliner]

Ok, I hope to get some more feedback on this approach. I ingested a breakout thread since "sleepers" typically are a bit all over the place. Breakouts seem to be a bit more late round pick and lower ADP. So this should be fun. Here are the results what do we think of the quality of the list?

My Prompt, "paste in the thread"

AI: The conversation revolves around fantasy football and predicting sleeper breakouts for the 2025 season. Here are some of the top picks mentioned:
Top Sleeper Picks

1. • Cedric Tillman: Mentioned by multiple users as a potential breakout candidate, citing his potential and the Browns' lack of depth in the WR room.
   • Tucker Kraft: A tight end mentioned for his potential to break out, particularly in YAC (yards after catch) situations.
   • Marvin Mair: A wide receiver mentioned for his potential breakout after a strong end to the previous season.
   • Keon Coleman: Several users mentioned Coleman as a potential breakout candidate, citing his talent and potential for increased playing time.
   • Jordan Mason: A running back mentioned for his potential to see significant playing time and goal-line work.
   • Roman Wilson: A wide receiver mentioned for his potential to fill George Pickens' role in the Steelers' offense.
   • Brenton Strange: A tight end mentioned for his potential breakout with the Jets' new quarterback situation.
   • Trey Benson: A running back mentioned as a potential breakout candidate.

Other Mentions

• • Kyle Pitts: Several users joked about Pitts' potential breakout, referencing his past struggles.
  • Elijah Moore: Some users mentioned Moore as a potential breakout candidate, despite his inconsistent past performances.
  • Jauan Jennings: A wide receiver mentioned for his potential to have a significant season, despite being overlooked by some.

"My Prompt" Can you tally how many times a name was mentioned and order from most to least?

AI: Here's the list of names in order from most mentions to least:

1. • Elijah Moore: 6
   • Cedric Tillman: 6
   • Keon Coleman: 5
   • Marvin Mims: 4
   • Roschon Johnson: 4
   • Kyle Pitts: 3
   • Roman Wilson: 3
   • Brenton Strange: 3
   • Marshawn Lloyd: 3
   • Jordan Mason: 2
   • Tucker Kraft: 2
   • Jalen Coker: 2
   • Kayshon Boutte: 2
   • Ricky Pearsall: 2
   • Jaylen Wright: 2
   • Theo Johnson: 2
   • Jordan James: 2
   • Troy Franklin: 2
   • Kincaid: 2
   • Jauan Jennings: 2
   • Jakobi Meyers: 1
   • Ja'Tavion Sanders: 1
   • Daniel Jones: 1
   • Christian Kirk: 1
   • Drake Maye: 1
   • Justin Fields: 1
   • Bryce Young: 1
   • Tahj Brooks: 1
   • Trevor Lawrence: 1
   • Quentin Johnson: 1
   • Carson Steele: 1
   • AD Mitchell: 2
   • Treylon Burks: 1
   • Kyle Williams: 2
   • Jacory Croskey-Sewell: 1
   • Brian Robinson Jr: 1
   • Darnell Mooney: 1
   • JJ McCarthy: 1
   • Jalin Hyatt: 1
   • Trey Benson: 1
   • Demario Douglas: 1
   • Dionte Johnson: 1
   • Garrett Wilson: 1
   • Josh Downs: 1

 

[Hartliner]

"My Prompt" Do you have any favorites that you agree from the list to be the best breakout candidate?


AI: Among the list of players you provided, some of the most promising breakout candidates include Elijah Moore, Cedric Tillman, Keon Coleman, and Marvin Mims. These players have been mentioned as potential sleepers and breakout candidates for the 2025 fantasy football season. Here's a brief overview of each player:

• • Elijah Moore: A wide receiver who has shown flashes of brilliance but hasn't quite lived up to his potential. With a new quarterback situation in New York, Moore may finally be able to take the next step in his development.
  • Cedric Tillman: A wide receiver for the Cleveland Browns who had a breakout season in 2024. Tillman finished the season with 59 receptions for 924 yards and six touchdowns. His versatility and ability to play both outside and in the slot make him a valuable asset for the Browns offense.
  • Keon Coleman: A wide receiver for the Buffalo Bills who flashed as a potential breakout candidate before a mid-November wrist injury sidelined him for four weeks. Coleman has shown the ability to win downfield and in the red zone, making him a valuable asset for the Bills offense.
  • Marvin Mims: A wide receiver for the Denver Broncos who had a breakout season in 2024. Mims finished the season with 1,278 yards, good for ninth in the NFL. His speed and ability to make plays downfield make him a valuable asset for the Broncos offense.

What People are Saying
Some fantasy football enthusiasts believe that Keon Coleman has the potential to be a top-5 fantasy wide receiver this season. Others point out that Marvin Mims' speed and ability to make plays downfield make him a valuable asset for the Broncos offense. However, there are also concerns about the consistency of some of these players, and whether they can maintain their production throughout the season.

"My Prompt" What are your sources?

AI: It listed a **** ton

I can't copy paste, but fun to see footballguys.com, nfl.com, cbssports.co, playerprofile.com, and a **** ton more to say the least but they all were fantasy or football sites. it even cited posts from social media outlets so it really is looking.

"My Prompt" Can you give a percentage on how likely they will break out?

AI: Here are some estimated breakout probabilities for the mentioned players, based on expert opinions and trends:

• • Caleb Williams: 70-80% - With upgraded surroundings, including a stronger offensive line and more dynamic receivers, Williams is poised for a breakout season.
  • Marvin Mims: 75-85% - Mims' elite speed and playmaking ability make him a strong candidate for a breakout, especially with Bo Nix as his quarterback.
  • Ricky Pearsall: 60-70% - Pearsall's role is expected to grow significantly with Deebo Samuel gone and Brandon Aiyuk potentially sidelined, making him a promising breakout candidate.
  • George Pickens: 65-75% - Pickens' move to the Cowboys, with a more pass-happy offense and quarterback Dak Prescott, sets him up for potential success.
  • Brenton Strange: 55-65% - Strange's role as the Jaguars' TE1, with Evan Engram gone, gives him a chance to break out, especially in the red zone.
  • Jordan Love: 60-70% - Love's upgraded weapons and potential for increased passing volume make him a candidate for a breakout season.
  • RJ Harvey: 70-80% - Harvey's expected role in Denver's rushing attack, under Sean Payton, positions him for potential success.
  • Ashton Jeanty: 65-75% - Jeanty's three-down versatility and explosive college production make him a promising breakout candidate.

Keep in mind that these probabilities are estimates based on expert opinions and trends. Fantasy football is inherently unpredictable, and actual performance may vary. Stay up-to-date with training camp performances, preseason games, and coaching staff changes to refine your assessments ¹ ².

 

[Hartliner]

Probably a dumb question, but how does this differ from Joe's most recently announced "FBG Assistant Coach" app?

I reread the post from that and think this best explains.
The Footballguys Assistant Coach is more navigation aid than anything. We have a ton of content. You have pretty specific questions. The Assistant Coach helps connect our content to the questions you have.

So think of it being an AI that has ingested footballguys content.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

season.

"My Prompt" What are your sources?

AI: It listed a **** ton

I can't copy paste, but fun to see footballguys.com, nfl.com, cbssports.co, playerprofile.com, and a **** ton more to say the least but they all were fantasy or football sites. it even cited posts from social media outlets so it really is looking.

How is it weighting those sources?

Is it lending the same credibility to u/RawMilkEnthusiast69 on Reddit or uncle Ed on Facebook as it is to Dave Kluge or Matt Waldman?

If so that’s sort of a problem. I’m sure you could prompt to exclude social media posts, but then you still have the issue of equally weighting all expert opinion. Which means it’s aggregating Fantasy Pros, CBS, FBG, etc.

And it’s doing it based only on the free information - much of the subscription content is better, and behind a paywall inaccessible to the scraper.

Still seems like after narrowing down the prompts to be extremely specific and only getting info from sources you trust, you’d still be able to get more value by finding the fantasy writers you trust & reading their content then distilling the info for yourself.

 

[Stealthycat]

ChatGPT still thinks Deebo is playing for 49'ers

FYI


If everyone stays healthy, Brandon Aiyuk is the safest bet to lead the 49ers in receptions in 2025.


Here’s why:

• Route volume & role – Aiyuk runs the highest percentage of full-route snaps in Kyle Shanahan’s offense, especially on intermediate timing routes where Purdy is most efficient.
• Defensive attention on Deebo Samuel & Christian McCaffrey – Defenses often scheme against Deebo’s YAC plays and CMC’s pass-catching, leaving Aiyuk more single coverage.
• Contract-year motivation – Unless extended, Aiyuk will be playing for a big payday, and players in that situation often get force-fed targets when possible.
• 2024 trend – He’s led them in receiving yards each of the past two seasons, and his target share was creeping up even with Deebo healthy.

The only real threat to him in catches, not yards, would be Christian McCaffrey, since his checkdowns and screens can pile up fast—especially if Purdy sees more blitz pressure this year.


If you want my prediction in one line:
Aiyuk ~85–90 catches, McCaffrey close behind, Deebo third.

 

[Instinctive]

I've been having constructive debates with it. Nobody freaks out and takes a fact personally, and it's able to separate an argument being dumb or bad from feeling like it has been called dumb.

Understanding context windows is super important. I have been giving mine pro football reference player pages and game logs and then also asking it about certain stats, and certain people I trust (for example, I ask it so summarize Matt Harmon's positions on a given player from his reception perception work and compare it against my initial hypothesis and highlight differences and major agreements). I ask it to make an argument for why something may happen, then challenge and poke holes as much as I can and see if it changes its mind when I ask if it thinks the opposite may now be true.

It's really neat. Crazy how powerful it is. I started too late, but over the season / next year I'll be using it to help me code something that scrapes every stat I want instead of what I do now, which is manually update each player with 2024 stats. I like the exercise because I feel like I retain the info better, but maybe the speed + using that time on something else to help me retain the knowledge would be more efficient.

 

[Chaka]

But if you prompt the AI in the conversation and say what do you think of this article on VBD and then say what do think of x player vs z player based on the VBD info you'll actually get a better answer because you gave it more ability to logically answer the question.

Yup. Garbage in, garbage out works both ways. AI can be great but it still takes work. You need to fact check answers, point out potential errors or conflicts and refine questions.

If you put in a little time and effort it is so much better than trying to sift through a random list of Google results, Reddit pages, FBG threads etc.

 

[Instinctive]

ChatGPT still thinks Deebo is playing for 49'ers

FYI


If everyone stays healthy, Brandon Aiyuk is the safest bet to lead the 49ers in receptions in 2025.


Here’s why:

• Route volume & role – Aiyuk runs the highest percentage of full-route snaps in Kyle Shanahan’s offense, especially on intermediate timing routes where Purdy is most efficient.
• Defensive attention on Deebo Samuel & Christian McCaffrey – Defenses often scheme against Deebo’s YAC plays and CMC’s pass-catching, leaving Aiyuk more single coverage.
• Contract-year motivation – Unless extended, Aiyuk will be playing for a big payday, and players in that situation often get force-fed targets when possible.
• 2024 trend – He’s led them in receiving yards each of the past two seasons, and his target share was creeping up even with Deebo healthy.

The only real threat to him in catches, not yards, would be Christian McCaffrey, since his checkdowns and screens can pile up fast—especially if Purdy sees more blitz pressure this year.


If you want my prediction in one line:
Aiyuk ~85–90 catches, McCaffrey close behind, Deebo third.

Did you ask it if the Deebo trade to washington changed anything, and be more specific about how Pearsall and Jennings and Kittle play into things? I find it tends to be more effective if I am teaching and challenging it and providing specific information. When I ask it something open ended, it's source use is the whole internet and it seems to take shortcuts. But if I seed it with the 2025 roster, start by asking it to summarize any changes and offseason moves between 2024 and 2025 rosters, etc...then when I get to what I want and it has that stuff in its brain already I get better outputs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If everyone stays healthy, Brandon Aiyuk is the safest bet to lead the 49ers in receptions in 2025.

Except for that whole “won’t be on the field until week 6, at least” part.

lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you put in a little time and effort it is so much better than trying to sift through a random list of Google results, Reddit pages, FBG threads etc.

i mean, I choose to read certain analysts and ignore others. And among the ones I follow, i do rank their takes.

So in that light I’m distilling the information more efficiently than ChatGPT

I am also more aware of current events because I’m following player newsfeeds.

So without writing a prompt for 4 hours to do weighting of analyst, excluding certain info, asking about injury status, and spoon-feeding the exact sort of processing I want AI to do, I’m still going to have a faster, more efficient process for finding information than using AI. With more accurate, better vetted results.

Y’all continue to underestimate the capabilities and processing power of the fantasy-obsessed human mind. Ain’t nothing an AI can do that I can’t with enough coffee and OCD motivation.

 

[rockaction]

If you put in a little time and effort it is so much better than trying to sift through a random list of Google results, Reddit pages, FBG threads etc.

i mean, I choose to read certain analysts and ignore others. And among the ones I follow, i do rank their takes.

So in that light I’m distilling the information more efficiently than ChatGPT

I am also more aware of current events because I’m following player newsfeeds.

So without writing a prompt for 4 hours to do weighting of analyst, excluding certain info, asking about injury status, and spoon-feeding the exact sort of processing I want AI to do, I’m still going to have a faster, more efficient process for finding information than using AI. With more accurate, better vetted results.

Y’all continue to underestimate the capabilities and processing power of the fantasy-obsessed human mind. Ain’t nothing an AI can do that I can’t with enough coffee and OCD motivation.

It's really a short cut. And we also have Faust and the forum, which is a whole, whole lot of knowledge and wisdom distilled into one-three screens at a time. If we didn't have this community, AI would be a boon.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

. If we didn't have this community, AI would be a boon.

And the unspoken thing here is that AI is stealing from this (and other communities) for its own benefit.

AI doesn’t replace experts, it plagiarizes from them. It disrespects the inherent value of expertise by stealing their work product, repackaging it, and pretending it generated work product of its own.

AI = theft. Be it art, music, or fantasy football, AI is stealing from experts.

 

[Instinctive]

If you put in a little time and effort it is so much better than trying to sift through a random list of Google results, Reddit pages, FBG threads etc.

i mean, I choose to read certain analysts and ignore others. And among the ones I follow, i do rank their takes.

So in that light I’m distilling the information more efficiently than ChatGPT

I am also more aware of current events because I’m following player newsfeeds.

So without writing a prompt for 4 hours to do weighting of analyst, excluding certain info, asking about injury status, and spoon-feeding the exact sort of processing I want AI to do, I’m still going to have a faster, more efficient process for finding information than using AI. With more accurate, better vetted results.

Y’all continue to underestimate the capabilities and processing power of the fantasy-obsessed human mind. Ain’t nothing an AI can do that I can’t with enough coffee and OCD motivation.

It's really a short cut. And we also have Faust and the forum, which is a whole, whole lot of knowledge and wisdom distilled into one-three screens at a time. If we didn't have this community, AI would be a boon.

I think AI is a huge boon on top of this, FWIW. The higher level of discussion here can seed your ability to give AI better questions, more complicated tasks, etc. It's a force multiplier, not a replacement for critical thinking.

 

[Instinctive]

. If we didn't have this community, AI would be a boon.

And the unspoken thing here is that AI is stealing from this (and other communities) for its own benefit.

AI doesn’t replace experts, it plagiarizes from them. It disrespects the inherent value of expertise by stealing their work product, repackaging it, and pretending it generated work product of its own.

AI = theft. Be it art, music, or fantasy football, AI is stealing from experts.

I find that it sources its work pretty well, especially when explicitly asked. Art/music i don't know, but discourse, research, writing, etc.

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm pro AI. Just not in fantasy football drafting. The panic of being on the clock and deciding between Christian Kirk and Keenan Allen is part of the enjoyment of this nerdy hobby. AI's logical, quick thinking decision making eliminates that moment. Sometimes in life the struggle is the payoff.

 

[Chaka]

ChatGPT still thinks Deebo is playing for 49'ers

FYI


If everyone stays healthy, Brandon Aiyuk is the safest bet to lead the 49ers in receptions in 2025.


Here’s why:

• Route volume & role – Aiyuk runs the highest percentage of full-route snaps in Kyle Shanahan’s offense, especially on intermediate timing routes where Purdy is most efficient.
• Defensive attention on Deebo Samuel & Christian McCaffrey – Defenses often scheme against Deebo’s YAC plays and CMC’s pass-catching, leaving Aiyuk more single coverage.
• Contract-year motivation – Unless extended, Aiyuk will be playing for a big payday, and players in that situation often get force-fed targets when possible.
• 2024 trend – He’s led them in receiving yards each of the past two seasons, and his target share was creeping up even with Deebo healthy.

The only real threat to him in catches, not yards, would be Christian McCaffrey, since his checkdowns and screens can pile up fast—especially if Purdy sees more blitz pressure this year.


If you want my prediction in one line:
Aiyuk ~85–90 catches, McCaffrey close behind, Deebo third.

This is a good example of the flaws with chatGPT, and probably with the original query.

Two options to help: 1) in your initial query ask it to limit it's results to information dated, for example, after July 30th (roughly the beginning of TC)

2) follow up by saying: Thank you, chatGPT, but your answer is flawed. Deebo was traded to the Commanders and Brandon Aiyuk is still recovering from an injury has been unable to practice and will start the season on the PUP. Please refine your results considering this information.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

and Brandon Aiyuk is still recovering from an injury has been unable to practice and will start the season on the PUP. Please refine your results considering this information.

If you have to tell AI this, then AI suuuuucks.

 

[Chaka]

If you put in a little time and effort it is so much better than trying to sift through a random list of Google results, Reddit pages, FBG threads etc.

i mean, I choose to read certain analysts and ignore others. And among the ones I follow, i do rank their takes.

So in that light I’m distilling the information more efficiently than ChatGPT

I am also more aware of current events because I’m following player newsfeeds.

So without writing a prompt for 4 hours to do weighting of analyst, excluding certain info, asking about injury status, and spoon-feeding the exact sort of processing I want AI to do, I’m still going to have a faster, more efficient process for finding information than using AI. With more accurate, better vetted results.

Y’all continue to underestimate the capabilities and processing power of the fantasy-obsessed human mind. Ain’t nothing an AI can do that I can’t with enough coffee and OCD motivation.

On the whole, I do think trying to apply AI to a subject like fantasy football is a fool's errand.

There is simply not enough consensus information and about a billion times more noise than useful information out there.

I have often asked if there are any analysts out there that go back and provide accuracy checks on their predictions from previous seasons. I am certain 99% of them are all wrong more often than they are right. Its why I used to compare my WDIS answeres with a coin toss. I ran about 55% IIRC. So, if the professionals don't get it right 50% of the time, it's foolish to think an AI will do better.

That being said it will absolutely take less time to work with an AI to distill information. You can easily apply parameters like dates and limiting the sources it checks to help you with your own analyses.

 

[Chaka]

And the unspoken thing here is that AI is stealing from this (and other communities) for its own benefit.

This is a huge and extremely important point. Probably a conversation for the FFA though.