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The entire Cowboys team should carry Dez Bryant's pads (1 Viewer)
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Daniel Shirley
Footballguy
I mentioned to someone watching that game with me last night that he looks like he's giving twice as much effort as anyone out there. Good for him
Warpig
Footballguy
The whole team is circling the crapper. After watching the game last night it is apparent that they've given up (See M. Jenkins lack of effort in tackling James Jones on his touchdown and Felix Jones' lack of effort on blocking a blitzing LB and throwing the ball away from him when Kitna threw it to him). He is the only one putting up any points, but unless your team rewards for punt returns, I wouldn't expect much better numbers from him going forward. I might even see a decline.
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switz
Footballguy
He and Bennett are the only players on Cowboys offense with heart. And yes, I know I'm leaving Felix off the list, the last few weeks it's like he doesn't care since no one else does.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Did he show up when he let the punt go through his hands?
Rookie mistake. The one thing I want to point out are his targets which are going up each week.Week 7: 7Week 8: 9Week 9: 10Week 10: 11Plus or minus a couple of touches on punt returns. He will be given every opportunity to display those dominant skills. In fantasy football you want your WRs to have opportunities.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I was pretty much laughed at in my dynasty league when Dallas drafted Bryant and I said that was going to hurt Austin's value a lot going forward.
Bryant > Austin
I know Kitna does not help, and I am sure there are enough balls to go around when Romo is back next year for both Bryant and Austin to be good. But Bryant is the real deal and should be drafted ahead of Austin in dynasty drafts going forward.
Bryant > Austin
I know Kitna does not help, and I am sure there are enough balls to go around when Romo is back next year for both Bryant and Austin to be good. But Bryant is the real deal and should be drafted ahead of Austin in dynasty drafts going forward.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
It was not at the start of the year.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
By going forward did you mean this year? Would you be typing this if Romo were still the QB? I think the Cowboys have openly stated they want to get the ball to Bryant with Romo out and they're joke of an OL. Quick hitters and hope Bryant can make something happen. If Kitna had any time at all the targets would probably be more evenly spread out.Agree about Bryant in Dynasty for obvious reasons, but I think the injury to Romo and the wet tissue OL have a lot to do with Bryant getting it more than Austin.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It seems to me that it's not so much about talent (yes, Bryant's is obvious) but that Jones insists that certain players get featured and then Garrett features them whether it's good for the game plan or not.
Garrett has no accountability to Phillips, only Jones.
Garrett has no accountability to Phillips, only Jones.
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
the way this season is going for the 'Boys and Dez Bryant, he should demand to be repaid the $54,000 from his teammates.
two_dollars
Footballguy
horrible thread
horrible title
horrible assumptions dez will outproduce austin with romo under center
horrible title
horrible assumptions dez will outproduce austin with romo under center
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
I believe Dez has the lowest scores in the Wonderlick of the Cowboys allowing him the bliss of not really knowing what is going on or in this case going down
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Why is it a horrible assumption? Austin is great while I think Dez is elite.
wudaben
Footballguy
Dez is a talent but you have to realize that he is playing the slot and is the dump off receiver for the noodle armed Kitna and teams are keying their defenses on Austin. Last year Austin showed you what he could do when playing that 2nd/3rd receiver role. Right now Bryant is just the product of the system (or lack there of) in Dallas!
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Agreed on many accounts and while I think Austin is a great player, I think last year was a perfect storm for him. Austin still has a bright future in fantasy, however, with Bryant's emergance, Austin is not going to be as good as many were hoping.
tonyftony716
Footballguy
I think there is room for production from both Bryant and Austin moving forward. The QB play has to be more consistant but I like Bryant's chances the rest of the season.
I have to decide which WR to move to get Bryant into my lineup more.
A Johnson, TO or S Moss
I have to decide which WR to move to get Bryant into my lineup more.
A Johnson, TO or S Moss
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Miles owner....interesting.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I will say that if Kitna hits Austin on that wide open bomb the conversation wouldn't be so one sided today.
switz
Footballguy
If this were really true, then why has Felix had 10+ carries only twice this season, compared to 3 times for Barber? Why has Barber had more carries than Jones the last two games despite being less effective? Why does Felix have only 2 more carries than Barber on the season, but nearly 100 more yards?Fact is that Barber is a favorite of Wade's, not Garretts', so Barber's continued ineffective involvement has to do with Phillips, not Jerry.
Unfortunately, Jerry Jones involvement in who gets touches is greatly exaggerated by the Jerry Jones haters.
wudaben
Footballguy
I agree that Austin will not be the same guy he was last season but he should be a more stable receiver as both Miles & Dez should be able to keep teams from double teaming either of them. Both guys being similar in physical stats should keep them both equally relevant in the end zone. Miles has slightly better 40 speed and a better vertical jump then Dez.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I don't ever post here, but I just can't take the blind Felix Jones love any more. Have you watched his games? I've had the (dis)pleasure of watching almost all of them. Does he have good balance? Yes. Good speed and acceleration? Yes and yes. So what's he missing? Vision. He has none of it. Watching him consistently run up the back of his blockers is pretty disgusting to watch. It happens almost every play. Sure the Dallas offensive line is terrible, I'm not disputing that fact. Part of being a good NFL running back is putting your head down and picking up 3 yards when there isn't a hole. Come off the blocker, put your head down, and plow for a few yards. Felix just puts his head down and runs into whatever is in front of him. If he finds a hole, he's gone, he's fast and explosive... How anyone can think this guy is elite, or even above average is beyond me. You can be an above average RB with great vision and below average skills, you cannot however be above average with great phyiscial gifts and horrible vision. Felix just isn't who you think he is.
switz
Footballguy
Regardless of what you think, or think that I think, nothing in your reply has anything to do with what I was posting about. Someone said that Jerry Jones tells Garrett who to feature, and Garrett just goes ahead and does that. What I replied showed that's not the case at all.As for what you want to say about Felix, the stats disagree with you, so do the games. Felix makes something out of nothing on nearly every carry. Even as you write above, the OL is awful, if Felix ran the way you describe, he'd have the worst of the YPC of all Dallas backs, but quite the opposite, he has the best of all three RBs.
I'm not sure why people want to hate Felix.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Taking out that Giants game where Romo went down, Austin had three games out of 5 with 140+ receiving yards. He had 117 the first game with Kitna. Dez is a talent for sure but I think this talk of him taking over especially when Romo gets back is premature. Austin will still do a lot of damage when Romo is under center. I see it being a 1a/1b type of scenario.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
People don't hate Felix, they just hate your blind love for the guy. You can watch him and see he is not elite. It's OK to be wrong once in a while, just take your losses and move on.I didn't say he was the worst RB on the roster. It's quite the opposite. Barber is washed up. Choice has been overrated beyond compare. So Felix wins that race. Congratulations. He is not elite, or even above average. He is the best RB in a stable of mediocre RBs. I do think Felix should be the featured back, and I do think he should be the starter next year, not because he is a great RB or even that he's the answer for the future, but because Dallas is such a mess top to bottom and you don't build your team starting at RB. They need to draft offensive lineman and disciplined defense.Regardless of what you think, or think that I think, nothing in your reply has anything to do with what I was posting about. Someone said that Jerry Jones tells Garrett who to feature, and Garrett just goes ahead and does that. What I replied showed that's not the case at all.As for what you want to say about Felix, the stats disagree with you, so do the games. Felix makes something out of nothing on nearly every carry. Even as you write above, the OL is awful, if Felix ran the way you describe, he'd have the worst of the YPC of all Dallas backs, but quite the opposite, he has the best of all three RBs.
I'm not sure why people want to hate Felix.
footballnerd
Footballguy
I can't believe this team only scored one TD with both those guys.
switz
Footballguy
Problem is, that's just opinion. My opinion differs from yours, and there is a chance neither of our opinions are right. Frankly, when I see Felix, I see a running back who has a dazzling skillset, that was underused his first two seasons, and now has no shot behind that OL. Whether that's elite or not is completely subjective. The facts are we've seen what he can do when given 15 carries behind a decent OL - and it's only happened a few times - but when it has, it's been at "elite" performance levels. Why it hasn't happened often can be up for debate.15-91-1 TD (week 17 2009)
16-148-1TD (playoff game 1 2009)
15-109-0TD (week 4 2010)
When he's given a good workload running the ball, he looks good.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
I see it much the same way too. 1a/1b.While Miles' numbers the last few games have been down, he's also JUSTMISSED at least 2 long TD plays. One was called back on a questionable penalty. And yesterday he was wide open deep but Kitna overthrew him. Both plays would have been 60+ yards and a TD. Add those to a couple of his poor outings and it paints a very different picture.This is in no way to say that losing Romo hasn't hurt him badly. It has. Kitna looks much more for Dez. In contrast, Austin is Romo's new security blanket.
Gopher State
Footballguy
TommyGilmore said:
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Problem is, no offensive line is going to consistently give you big holes game in game out, year in year out in the NFL. When given holes, he can run through them and make big gains. So can 95% of the RBs in the NFL. Felix's natural talents allow him to make bigger gains from those holes than some RBs might make. That doesn't make him special, only servicable. And like I said, that's what the Cowboys need right now.Problem is, that's just opinion. My opinion differs from yours, and there is a chance neither of our opinions are right. Frankly, when I see Felix, I see a running back who has a dazzling skillset, that was underused his first two seasons, and now has no shot behind that OL. Whether that's elite or not is completely subjective. The facts are we've seen what he can do when given 15 carries behind a decent OL - and it's only happened a few times - but when it has, it's been at "elite" performance levels. Why it hasn't happened often can be up for debate.15-91-1 TD (week 17 2009)
16-148-1TD (playoff game 1 2009)
15-109-0TD (week 4 2010)
When he's given a good workload running the ball, he looks good.
Look, I'm not a fan of the Cowboys, and don't have a horse in this race. I'm indifferent to Jones suceeding. It doesn't matter to me. I only speak about what I see. Have you watched his games this year? Seen the majority of his carries? If you have I'm not so sure you'd have so much love. Why do you ignore the fact he runs into his blockers over and over again? Sure the holes are closing up rapidly, but half the reason for him always being contacted in the backfield is him. He puts his head down and just runs. The other half of of the fault can be attributed to the offensive line and playcalling. Do I agree with the playcalling there? No. They are far too predictable and run far too many draws. However, Jones' vision, or lack there of, is on full display due the faults in the offensive line. I said it before, and I'll say it again. 95% of the RBs in the NFL can run through a large hole, what separates the good ones is the vision, heart and desire to make gains when given nothing. Felix does that possess that ability.
kotzwinkle
Footballguy
Why isn't Felix able to run down a linebacker from behind?
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Because he gained extra muscle without losing any speed or explosiveness to become a better 3 down back in the NFL...oh, wait.
switz
Footballguy
I'm just curious - do you think all the Cowboys RBs are doing this? If Jones' running style is causing him to be hit behind the OL on most plays, what is the reason the same thing is happening to the other RBs? I wonder too, do you think Chris Johnson is not elite? I mean he and Felix have the same YPC this year, and Johnson is getting tackled on a lot of 1-2 yard carries, behind a better OL. I guess he's just not a special RB either.
Anyway, this is a thread about Bryant, definitely a star in the making.
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Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Your use of the rolleyes smiley is tiresome. If that's your go to way of telling me you think I'm wrong, grow up. You still haven't addressed Jones' lack of vision. Why do you ignore it? Have you not seen him run up the back of his blockers over and over, or do you just choose to ignore it? Stop comparing Marion Barber and Tashard Choice to Jones like him being better than both is any indicator of his skills. I've never understood the Tashard Choice love, he is even more mediocre than Felix Jones. He will not be a top RB in the NFL. He is a servicable backup imo. Marion Barber, although once truly a barbarian running the ball, is a shell of his former self. He is no longer as explosive as he once was, and runs tentative and with his head down. I think if you put the old Marion Barber in the current situation, he could still do OK. Yes, Chris Johnson is elite. He handles all of the duties for the Titans, including the short yardage plays which will bring down his YPC. Chris Johnson is being overused by the Titans, something I think will severely limit his career. YPC is not an indicator of whether or not a RB is elite. If that was the case we'd already be writing Jerious Norwood's hall of fame ticket as we speak.I'm just curious - do you think all the Cowboys RBs are doing this? If Jones' running style is causing him to be hit behind the OL on most plays, what is the reason the same thing is happening to the other RBs? I wonder too, do you think Chris Johnson is not elite? I mean he and Felix have the same YPC this year, and Johnson is getting tackled on a lot of 1-2 yard carries, behind a better OL. I guess he's just not a special RB either.Anyway, this is a thread about Bryant, definitely a star in the making.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
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switz
Footballguy
I'm not ignoring your comment on his vision, I merely disagree with it. One of the things Felix was lauded for coming out of college was his vision, his ability to set up blockers, etc. He still has excellent vision, but often there is nowhere to run, there is no hole at all. That has nothing to do with Jones' vision.Chris Johnson is elite, I'd agree. Yet if you watch him, he too gets tackled for losses, is averaging the same YPC, often runs into the back of his linemen, playing behind a much better line. The only difference between CJ and FJ is number of opportunities. Given the same workload, Felix would be putting up number as well.YPC, given a large enough sample (I believe stat trackers use 150 carries minimum in a season as the cutoff), is one of the truest indicators of an RBs performance. Jerious Norwood never gets enough carries in a season for his to matter.BTW - this whole tangent is because I disagreed that Jerry Jones calls the shots on who is featured, and used the RBs as an example. It wasn't a post about how good/bad Jones is until you turned it into an argument about that. Let's drop it and let the thread go back to being about Dez Bryant, who looks like a very promising rookie WR.Your use of the rolleyes smiley is tiresome. If that's your go to way of telling me you think I'm wrong, grow up. You still haven't addressed Jones' lack of vision. Why do you ignore it? Have you not seen him run up the back of his blockers over and over, or do you just choose to ignore it? Stop comparing Marion Barber and Tashard Choice to Jones like him being better than both is any indicator of his skills. I've never understood the Tashard Choice love, he is even more mediocre than Felix Jones. He will not be a top RB in the NFL. He is a servicable backup imo. Marion Barber, although once truly a barbarian running the ball, is a shell of his former self. He is no longer as explosive as he once was, and runs tentative and with his head down. I think if you put the old Marion Barber in the current situation, he could still do OK. Yes, Chris Johnson is elite. He handles all of the duties for the Titans, including the short yardage plays which will bring down his YPC. Chris Johnson is being overused by the Titans, something I think will severely limit his career. YPC is not an indicator of whether or not a RB is elite. If that was the case we'd already be writing Jerious Norwood's hall of fame ticket as we speak.I'm just curious - do you think all the Cowboys RBs are doing this? If Jones' running style is causing him to be hit behind the OL on most plays, what is the reason the same thing is happening to the other RBs? I wonder too, do you think Chris Johnson is not elite? I mean he and Felix have the same YPC this year, and Johnson is getting tackled on a lot of 1-2 yard carries, behind a better OL. I guess he's just not a special RB either.
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I've noticed this exact thing the last couple of weeks (since every Dallas game is nationally televised). Dez is always going all out...which, on that Dallas team right now, is saying a lot.I especially noticed on the Matthews TD last night...Felix Jones looked like he could've caught him then slowed down...then he saw Dez come from nowhere trying to track him down so Felix tried to pick his speed back up to make the tackle.Daniel Shirley said:
Full disclosure, I didn't analyze the play via DVR...just something I thought I noticed while watching.
nlgb1
Footballguy
bryant plays the slot? thats news to me
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nlgb1
Footballguy
soooo..... youre saying whatAustin's vertical at the Combine measured 40.5"
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I'm saying he can jump really high.soooo..... youre saying what
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Ridiculous......and I don't own either so I don't have a dog in the hunt.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
To be fair, he, like most of the rest of that team last night, didn't give full effort on that run back, but even when he did look like he tried to turn it on a bit, he didn't seem to have the same burst as in previous years, so I think the added weight and muscles has definitely taken away a bit of his quickness. He is probably still faster than the average NFL RB, but not as fast as he was.
