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The Great 2020 All Time Movie Draft- The judging is heavily biased against me. It’s a hoax! Fake news. (1 Viewer)

Here are the remaining 10 categories left to be judged - if any of your judges are in need of help please let me know.  I will be on vacation next week and could possible help.  Not rushing anyone but want to keep things moving.

  • Decade - 1960s - Bracie Smathers
  • Decade - 1970s - MOCS
  • Decade - 1980s - MOCS
  • Decade - 2000s - Woz
  • Genre - Comedy - Kumerica
  • Genre - Courtroom Drama - Woz
  • Genre - Fantasy - Kumerica
  • Genre - Science Fiction on Earth - Kumerica
  • GOAT - Leading Actor - Nick Vermeil
  • GOAT - Greatest Movie of All Time - Nick Vermeil
As a reminder I asked Nick to wait on GOAT - I thought it may add some suspense and is the GOAT of GOATS but 80's and his phenomenal drafting ruined that idea.  :)

@Bracie Smathers @Man of Constant Sorrow @Woz @Kumerica @Nick Vermeil
Nick vermeil told me to tell you to pound sand- he quits. Also, that the book list rankings was terrible. And that gump is a dump.

Also, he got a randon bannin, so won't be around for a bit 

 
I need to watch To Kill a Mockingbird. I feel like I may have read the book in middle school but can't remember anything about it.
Book is better, movie is good but I had Jurassic Park tops here. I had to restrain myself a bit from ranking it too low and also the quality of competition wasn't the toughest in this category. 

 
If Nick Vermeil is out, we could do a crowdsource rating system for GOAT and actor. Post a Google Form where we all rate from 0-100 each nominee from the category and put an N/A for the ones we haven't seen/aren't familiar with. Then we use the average scores as the ranking. 

 
During (and maybe before) my timeout I had some time on my hand and did some analysis - it was fairly obvious to me he was going to win a while ago.  He hit on several late round picks and his early round picks were pretty stellar too.  We were all playing for 2nd after like 15-20 rounds.  Well done @Ilov80s!
It does look like it's over. Looking at the categories left, I still have what I consider some of my stronger picks left. 

 
I need to watch To Kill a Mockingbird. I feel like I may have read the book in middle school but can't remember anything about it.
I would rank it in the top 5 movies of all time. 

For me, it's a another one of those rare films where everything works - acting, story, black&white photography, setting, music, etc.

 
If Nick Vermeil is out, we could do a crowdsource rating system for GOAT and actor. Post a Google Form where we all rate from 0-100 each nominee from the category and put an N/A for the ones we haven't seen/aren't familiar with. Then we use the average scores as the ranking. 
I’m going to email him and see if he wants to submit that way - I think our GB Floppo was joking about him quitting.

 
I would rank it in the top 5 movies of all time. 

For me, it's a another one of those rare films where everything works - acting, story, black&white photography, setting, music, etc.
Wow - that’s high praise.  I wouldn’t go nearly that high but it was pretty great.  I agree with 80s overall - not a deep category.  There’s only 4-5 of them that I would bother to ever watch again.

 
Wow - that’s high praise.  I wouldn’t go nearly that high but it was pretty great.  I agree with 80s overall - not a deep category.  There’s only 4-5 of them that I would bother to ever watch again.
I wouldn't go quite that far but it felt like the category of leftovers. 

 
Based on Book - Final Standings

  1. To Kill A Mockingbird
  2. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
  3. Jurassic Park
  4. Fight Club
  5. Misery
  6. A Room with a View
  7. Forrest Gump
  8. Little Women
  9. Awakenings
  10. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly
  11. Dead Man Walking
  12. Lust for Life
  13. The Mission
  14. Around the World in 80 Days
  15. M*A*S*H
  16. To Die For
No night of the hunter?

This draft sucks.

- Nick vermeil

 
If Nick Vermeil is out, we could do a crowdsource rating system for GOAT and actor. Post a Google Form where we all rate from 0-100 each nominee from the category and put an N/A for the ones we haven't seen/aren't familiar with. Then we use the average scores as the ranking. 
Get ready for a lot of zeros on your picks!!  :)  

 
I was actually the most surprised by how high @tuffnutt had A Room with a View. I figured this was FOOTBALLGUYS and that might be unpopular. Turns out I am not the only guy here who likes to wash his brain damaging pancake blocks down with an E.M. Forster period piece. 

 
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I was actually the most surprised by how high @tuffnutt had A Room with a View. I figured this was FOOTBALLGUYS and that might be unpopular. Turns out I am not the only guy here who likes to wash his brain damaging pancake blocks down with an E.M. Forster period piece. 
Honestly was very surprised with myself on this one too. It was just a Good movie

 
Honestly was very surprised with myself on this one too. It was just a Good movie
It really is. It's also one of the movies that got me back into movies. I went through a period where I just was reading and watching TV shows. I decided to watch A Room With A View on Netflix because I had liked a couple EM Forster novels and I just loved the damn thing. I then started going through NF to find movies I wanted to see, started in on TCM and fell into a movie binge. 

 
Ilov80s said:
When I think of what life is, and how seldom love is answered by love; it is one of the moments for which the world was made. 
something American writers seldom understand - words arent tools, they are spirits

 
something American writers seldom understand - words arent tools, they are spirits
Well said and probably why Fitzgerald stands above most American writers of the century. 

It was only a sunny smile, and little it cost in the giving, but like morning light it scattered the night and made the day worth living.

 
Well said and probably why Fitzgerald stands above most American writers of the century. 

It was only a sunny smile, and little it cost in the giving, but like morning light it scattered the night and made the day worth living.
altho my wikkidlist of leftovers had Adaptation as my "based on book" choice, i probably would have drafted Lost Horizon, if only to highlight Frank Capra's greatest labor of love (even tho there is significant lost footage) and what a delightful little book it is. No ponderous tome, a Gatsby-length slip of a thing - a perfect treat to slip into one's travel bag - and not only high-concept but crisply & deliciously worded. Hilton's mellifluous, telling phrases mind the first & last words of the story. wikkid say check it -

 
70's and 80's results will be dropped today and tonight. I've got them placed, but no write-ups; just haven't had the time. However, I will gladly discuss my reasons for the rankings if anyone has questions.

Back later.

 
Alrighty ... 1st of all, I apologize for a lack of write-ups. I know that is a large part of the fun in this, but life isn't always fair. So, I will just get to the brass tacks.

Decade - 1970s

Tier 5

#16 - 1 point: Murder on the Orient Express (1974)

#15 - 2 points: Norma Rae

#14 - 3 points: Slap Shot

#13 - 4 points: Midnight Express

Tier 4

#12 - 5 points: Saturday Night Fever

#11 - 6 points: Clockwork Orange

#10 - 7 points: Deliverance

#9 - 8 points: Enter the Dragon

Tier 3

#8 - 9 points: Network

#7 - 10 points: Dog Day Afternoon

#6 - 11 points: Days of Heaven

Tier 2

#5 - 12 points: Taxi Driver

#4 - 13 points: The French Connection

#3 - 14 points: The Last Picture Show

Tier 1

#2 - 15 points: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

#1 - 16 points: Chinatown

For reference, here is the original post I made irt to my judging plan:

OK. I have been thinkin a bit on how to be objective.

So, I asked myself, "What do good movies do?"

So far, I have: "They touch and move us."

They touch and move us:

  • physically (e.g. light waves/sound waves/neural excitation/adrenaline/goosebumps/hair standing/gut wrenching/sensual shivers/pounding heart/pissing laughter/salty tears) 
  • emotionally (love/hate/joy/horror/empathy/compassion/pain/rage/fear/desire/dispair/grief/glory/jubilation/bliss)
  • intellectually (think/question/dream/aspire/confound/learn/surprise/expand/shock) 
  • artistically (argue with god/commune with beauty/writhe in hell/skydive thru space/dance with glee/sing triumphant/find the grail/uplift to heaven) ....
  • individually (entertainment/understanding/growth/escape/relaxation/thrill/fantasy/release/comfort/challenge) 
  • socially (bonding/rebelling/ethics/morals/zeitgeist/pop culture/counter culture/community/market)
  • etc.
Note: a good movie can't satisfy all of the above. Rather, those are things that can be a factor; some more important than others (especially in the Genre & specialty categories). Plus, I'm missing lots, I'm sure. (I'll take suggestions.)

And the good movies can do these things in many different ways; potentially impacting & affecting viewers differently. This includes the typical technical and craft aspects of the process. I do value this part, but I view it as a means to achieve the touch & move I note above. Thus, I don't necessary value any particular "style", "type" or "method" over the others. As long as it "works" to achieve what makes it great, I'm good.
I welcome all comments, questions and complaints, but I can't promise a satisfactory response. ;)

80's coming up a little later tonight.

 
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Alrighty ... 1st of all, I apologize for a lack of write-ups. I know that is a large part of the fun in this, but life isn't always fair. So, I will just get to the brass tacks.

Decade - 1970s

Tier 5

#16 - 1 point: Murder on the Orient Express (1974)

#15 - 2 points: Norma Rae

#14 - 3 points: Slap Shot

#13 - 4 points: Midnight Express

Tier 4

#12 - 5 points: Saturday Night Fever

#11 - 6 points: Clockwork Orange

#10 - 7 points: Deliverance

#9 - 8 points: Enter the Dragon

Tier 3

#8 - 9 points: Network

#7 - 10 points: Dog Day Afternoon

#6 - 11 points: Days of Heaven

Tier 2

#5 - 12 points: Taxi Driver

#4 - 13 points: The French Connection

#3 - 14 points: The Last Picture Show

Tier 1

#2 - 15 points: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

#1 - 16 points: Chinatown

For reference, here is the original post I made irt to my judging plan:

I welcome all comments, questions and complaints, but I can't promise a satisfactory response. ;)

80's coming up a little later tonight.
I would have liked to see Midnight Express, Saturday Night Fever and Enter The Dragon a little higher, but face it - that's a really stacked list!

 
I would have liked to see Midnight Express, Saturday Night Fever and Enter The Dragon a little higher, but face it - that's a really stacked list!
Yeah, this entire list is super-top-notch.

In a large part, that is why it was too much work for me to do a write up (on top of my current family commitments). I just don't have the skill to easily put to words the trip these movies took me on. 

I felt like any "summary" I contemplated was just far too inadequate. To do something worthy, would have maybe taken me a year.

 
Decade - 1980s

Tier 5

#16 - 1 point: Dirty Dancing

#15 - 2 points: Top Gun

#14 - 3 points: Mississippi Burning

#13 - 4 points: Rain Man

Tier 4

#12 - 5 points: On Golden Pond

#11 - 6 points: Planes, Trains, and Automobiles

#10 - 7 points: Ordinary People

#9 - 8 points: Stand By Me

Tier 3

#8 - 9 points: Scarface

#7 - 10 points: Ghostbusters

#6 - 11 points: Blue Velvet

Tier 2

#5 - 12 points: The Elephant Man (1980)

#4 - 13 points: Do the Right Thing

#3 - 14 points: Hannah and Her Sisters

Tier 1

#2 - 15 points: My Left Foot

#1 - 16 points: Raiders of the Lost Ark

 
The best movie category bothers me, because there’s too many great movies that were taken in other categories instead. 
I plan to rectify this in the upcoming TV draft: there will be a best TV show of all time category, but you won’t be able to draft for it. Instead, at the end of the draft you will select one of the shows you drafted already for another category for best TV show as well- and we’ll make it worth triple points. 

 
Also wanted to add, in this movie thread, that On the Basis of Sex, which tells the story of the young Ruth Bader Ginsburg, is very entertaining and worth watching if you haven’t seen it. 

 
The best movie category bothers me, because there’s too many great movies that were taken in other categories instead. 
I plan to rectify this in the upcoming TV draft: there will be a best TV show of all time category, but you won’t be able to draft for it. Instead, at the end of the draft you will select one of the shows you drafted already for another category for best TV show as well- and we’ll make it worth triple points. 
For the record, I think it is a good idea to pursue a different way to handle GOAT, but this specific solution gives quite a big advantage to those that select early in the first round.

I propose the Best in Show method for GOAT: all category winners are judged against each other based on how well they represent their category (plus how good they are as a TV show).

 
Category decade of the 60s

16.  Breathless - 1 pt

Continued...

15.  The Jungle Book - 2 pts

Lots of fun.  Hadn't seen this in decades.  Animated, background nature scenes were awesome but sometimes mixed with Saturday morning cartoon characters.  The voice work is top notch.  I doubt that many would know Sebastian Cabot (Bagheera the Panther) or I'd throw in a Buffy/Jody/Mrs. Beesely reference.  Sterling Holloway as Kaa the snake would be recognized in an instant as the voice of Winnie The Poo and is perfectly slimey in his role.  Their is a tie for best voice with Louie Prima as Louie the King of the Apes who is utterly fantastic but 'may' be overshadowed by George Sanders as Shere Khan the Tiger who oozes and drips 😈 menace 😈 with every inflection.  Oh is he ever good.  May be the best voice work in any Disney flick ever.  Add special mentions to Clint Howard (Ronnie's bro who he used in a lot of his movies) as the young elephant and Chad Stewart (vulture) whose character looked like a Beatle (Krista - Krista reaction whenever hearing BEATLE!) and sounded so much like George Harrison I had to look up who played the vulture.  Chad was part of the 60s duo Chad and Jeremy ( A Summer Song )

The ending is perfect and brings a tear but the comedy is broad and geared for children.  I had trouble finding the DVD in the library and it is because it is in the children's section so it took me time to track it down but it fits best in that section of the library.

14.  The Producers - 3 pts

I absolutely love Springtime For Hitler.  I had an odd buddy in high school and he rang me up excitedly about a new 45 record he got called 'Springtime For Hitler' I rushed right over, lol.  Love it.  What makes a gag funny is the reaction and the reaction to Springtime is hysterical, one of my all-time favorites how the audience is agape, just hysterical. 

The cast is really fun.  The helmet wearing Nazi who replaced Dustin Hoffman who got a part in a film called 'The Graduate' so he asked Mel Brooks if he could drop out.  Mel's wife Anne Bancroft was playing Mrs. Robinson and Mel new Dustin would be perfect for the lead so he had to let him go but found Kenneth Mars who is so perfect as Franz Liebkind you can't picture anyone else in that role let alone Dustin Hoffman.  The big star of the film is Gene Wilder who plays the nebbish accountant Leo Bloom.  Zero Mostel plays the sleazy manager Max Bialystock, a little Zero goes a long way unfortunately their is a lot of Zero.  **** Shaw plays the mustachioed one and I think its punishable by death if I do not give an extra special mention to Lee Meredith as Ulla  :wub:

Mel Brooks wrote and directed, its great.  Mel started out as a drummer and his timing is perfect for comedy and he knows how to write and incorporate tunes. 

13.  Goldfinger - 4 pts

The third Bond film that had double the budget of the first two and it was marketed for a US audience with locations in Miami and Kentucky.  To say it was a hit is an understatement, their were lines around the block, theaters had to stay open 24 hours a day to accommodate Christmas demand to see the movie.  It was the first big time merchandizing film as Toy James Bond cars became the rage for Boomer kids.  The film earned the equivalent of $1.3 BILLION in today's dollars which would still qualify as one of the all-time top-five earning films.  You can't imagine how huge this movie was.  It became its own genre as a ton of knockoff 60s spy films followed but none ever approached Bond's status.

Connery was at his peak and this is easily his best performance as Bond.  Gert Fröbe who played Goldfinger didn't speak a word of English and has his entire performance dubbed.  Shirley Eaton as Jill Masterson  :wub:  plays the iconic golden girl.  Honor Blackman plays well you know the first name the second is Galore and Harold Sakata plays Oddjob.  

Its big, its broad, its Bond.  

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To be continued.....

 
Good question.  

I think I was way too late to the game to fall in love with Raiders.   I don't think I saw it until college, and just don't get the love.  
Raiders did not have much publicity when it first came out.

But I talked a group of friends into seeing it the first night of release because I thought it had a lot of potential (I guess I was lucky).

People actually cheered and clapped in the theater when it ended and when Indy shot the swordsman.  :clap:

 
Wasn't this film in the Action category? Coulda sworn Karma Police and crew ranked this.

EDIT: Went back and looked ... that movie must've gotten moved into 1970s very late.
Nope, always had it for 70’s. I had considered it for action, probably should have but I thought it would have ranked higher here based on its legendary status of the film and one of the  Most profitable films of all time made for under $1M and grossing over $350M... oh well that’s the way this draft has gone drafting my faves....
 

take solace in the fact Sat Night Fever was ranked lower, yikes, that’s top 3 for me...

 
Team GallStein was hammered in the decade categories.  My movie tastes just don't mesh with the judges.  We were doomed from the start.

 
Category decade of the 60s

16.  Breathless - 1 pt

15.  The Jungle Book - 2 pts

14.  The Producers - 3 pts

13.  Goldfinger - 4 pts
12.  Funny Girl   5 pts

Directed by William Wyler starring Babs as Fanny Brice and Omar Sharrif as Brice's second husband Nick Arnstein.  Streisand won the award for Best Actress for her performance and it is well deserved.  Somehow I knew the music, I hadn't seen this in decades so I think my mom must have had the album and played it because I knew most of it.  Streisand's voice is remarkable and their are a few songs that are really good.  

The story never really comes together, this is one of the are movies that is over produced.  The sets are amazing and were going to be used in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid but were cut out because they thought it would detract from Funny Girl so they had to go with those sepia still shots in a montage for New York in Butch.  

I liked the film, didn't love it but liked it.  Made me curious about Fanny Brice and she was worthy of having her story put to film.

11. Persona  6 pts

Ingmar Bergman, writer/director.  Cast of his stock actors of mostly Bibi Andersson and Liv Ullmann who are both exceptional.  For those familiar with Bergman he filmed nearly exclusively on the island of Fårö in Sweden.  

Bergman takes characters and strips them down to bare bones and then goes deep into the soul.  It is hit or miss but on this one he scores huge.  When this began with a collage of imagery with a Jesus-like close up of a nail being driven into a wrist and then flashing to a penis I thought whoo-boy yikes but the story began.  An actress, Liv Ullmann who 'apparently' loses the ability to speak seeks solace at a convalescence retreat with a nurse, Bibi Andersson.  

It is a slowly delicious interaction between the two ladies as Bibi uses Liv as a sounding board and unveils very-personal stories, one quite erotically zesty and I mean quite erotic.  Well worth the time to watch for that story alone. 

Bergman, known as 'The Master Of Light' is well-known as a director for a reason he's special.  He grew up a loner and rebelled against authority of any kind.  He broke rules and does so in his films.  A truly unique experience and great film. 

10. Easy Rider 7 pts  

Billy: [after being thrown in jail] Parading without a permit? You gotta be kidding! I mean, you know who this is, man? This is Captain America! I'm Billy! Hey, we're headliners, baby! 

Dennis Hopper directed and 'partially' wrote it but it was written primarily by Peter Fonda, both starred along with Jack Nicholson.  Hopper breaks through the Hollywood establishment with a culture shattering clenched fist.  The movie is a road trip with iconic characters, Billy and Captain America.  

Hopper was out of control, basically insane during filming, getting into fights, pulling a knife on Rip Torn who quit and later would sue Hopper and win a huge settlement as Hopper lied and said Torn pulled the knife, the entire crew quit actually a few crews quit on Hopper and he had to hire anyone he could to keep the movie going.  Hopper used locals and in the 'diner scene' the ugly redneck bigotted nature and threats were real.  I If you know anything about Hopper he was constantly on the edge and a full fledged bully.  He basically forced Toni Basil into doing that nude scene in the cemetery and she looks scared.  It is quite disturbing.  The acid trip scenes are not my thing but the music paired with two of the most iconic characters ever captured on film are poetry when the music hits but their were a few 'clunker' tunes mixed into the track.  This one is not for everyone but parts are exceptional. 

9. La Dolce Vita  8 pts

Directed and written by Federico Fellini.  Starring Marcello Mastroianni, Anita Ekberg, and Anouk Aimée.

Wow.  I had never seen this one.  From the opening shot of helicopter Jesus, to Ekberg in the Trivi Fountain, breathtaking.  Fellini is one of the true artists who just so happen to be a film maker.  He is a legitimate genius.  This movie takes us on a ride through the seedy underbelly of 1960 hedonistic Rome and we don't ever want it to end.  Intoxicating glamor at every turn.  It is of a specific time and place but it seems timeless.  This is when Fellini was sane and hadn't gone over the wall wrapped up in pure imagery.  

I love this film.  Its definitely not for everyone but I just love it.

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To be continued........

 

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