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The Great 2020 All Time Movie Draft- The judging is heavily biased against me. It’s a hoax! Fake news. (1 Viewer)
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wikkidpissah
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Seen all the AFI100 at least twice. Cant say any of em dont belong there. My least favorite are The Searchers, The Graduate, Mr Smith, Bonnie & Clyde, Streetcar, LotR, Heat of the Night, Blade Runner. I would replace ItHotN & Blade Runner with The Producers and The Man Who Would Be King. The rankings....meh
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Sadly, I cannot watch The Producers any more. It's just too frenetic to me. Except, of course, for "Springtime For Hitler". Amazing. I'd pay to see that.
"Don't be stupid. Be a smarty. Come and join the Nazi Party."
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree, other than the play within the movie, I didn’t really find it that funny on a rewatch.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
AFI 100
Seen em all. LINK
Seen em all. LINK
Virginia Wolf isn't on the list. Dancing with Wolves is but not Ginny Wolf.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
It would be truly unfortunate if the difference in contemporary mores was a factor in how people feel about what i consider a masterclass in comedy performance (Mostel's opening scene - i have actually broken down all the choices in pitch, volume, inflection, emphasis, timing etc to those i tutored on standup in the 90s), but i kinda understand.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
The original (see checklist) AFI100 and 10th-anniv-revised lists are substantially different
ETA: Woolf, American in Paris several others were in the orig
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You are right, the revised LINK
Of the revised I may have seen Intolerance but that is the only one I'm not sure of. I've seen the rest of both lists.
Oh and I never cared for Whose Afraid Of Virginia Wolf either. People constantly arguing is not my thing but I do admit loving August Osage County. August: Osage County (2013)
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
That's pretty much why Twelve Angry Men sucks. Pointless silly arguing does not make a good movie for me. If they all behaved like they are actually older than five, I might be interested.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Mine isn’t a mores thing, just isn’t funny to me like it once was. I’m a big fan of the receptionist in the movie. She’s a real standout among the cast.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Their is a big difference between dysfunctional inter-family theatrics where dysfunction rules the day and a real-time 11-1 jury swing from guilty to not guilty. 12 Angry Men is fantastic IMHO.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I drafted it and I’m by no means saying it got shafted in the draft but I loved it. I’ll admit I probably haven’t seen it in 20 years, but watched it 4-5 times before that. I thought it was still funny (then) but to me it’s more. The premise is pretty clever, the actors excel, and then you have the musical within, which was hysterical and worth it on its own.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree with everything you say, just didn't work for me when I watched a couple months ago with my wife. She had never seen it before so maybe part of it was complete non-reaction to it.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
my all-time favorite comedy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It is the most caustic movie I've ever seen but I love it. They are so insane, the number of cocktails consumed is off the charts. Also the movie starts in the AFTER PARTY at like 1 AM. It is freaking crazy how hard they were partying.
Klimtology
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Can't rush genius, also the Indians are in a one-run game and wine has been served, its-a-com'n.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
TOP THREE 60s
3. The Apartment 14 pts
Its got three things I love in movies. Billy Wilder directing, Billy Wilder and I. A. L. Diamond screenplay with Jack Lemmon and Shirley McClaine
at peek lovely/hotness. Wilder not only knew how to write scripts he had a few rules. Spare use of voice over but he begins with a VO. He said why use 12 pages of dialogue when 30 seconds of VO can do the same thing but don't tell the audience, show them and have them figure it out and that is why Jack Lemmon says he 'Has a problem and can't use his apartment.' Billy shows us why and we hit the ground running. Brilliant.
Another Billy Wilder script writing rule, do the set up early and then come back around with the punchline later in the story. We see this in many Wilder screenplays. One of my all-time favorites is in 'Some Like It Hot' when Lemmon says in full drag to Marilyn Monroe while sniping at Tony Curtis that 'I bet he even has a BICYCLE!' It stood out since it didn't fit the scene but later the comeback when Lemmon is stalling for time in drag with his male date when Curtis comes by riding a bicycle and he says astonished. 'He DOES have a bicycle.' I crack up every time. In the Apartment he sets up the ending when he has Lemmon tell the story about his suicide attempt with a gun and shows it to McClaine. Later she's running to his apartment when... won't give away the obvious spoiler. The way he gives his boss the broken mirror he found which sets up how he figured out the girl was McClaine. Lots of other examples but it is gooooooood stuff. Dare I say? Wildereske? I just luv it and eat it up with a fork and spoon.
What can you say about Wilder and Jack Lemmon? Peas and carrots? I adore their work together and with McClaine? Chef's kiss. Irma la Douce isn't on any AFI top-100 list but I LOVE IT! It works for me. In The Apartment the love triangle with Fred McMurray works, it just works. The acting is great. I have to mention the Doc next door neighbor played by Jack Kruschen, lovely character actor who is just right in this one.
The score is nice, the story, the directing, the acting, its just damn good.
2. Cool Hand Luke 15 pts
Torn between the top-two. One thing about 60s films is the, um experimental camera work that can really detract but one thing we see in contemporary films is what? DRONE FOOTAGE up the ying-yang. What in the wild-wild world of sports does that have to do with Cool Hand Luke and 60 experimental camera use? Well a lot of 60 films would set up a big shot to end a film which inevitable was a HELICOPTER SHOT that was shaky as hell and would kick up a ton of dust and it is really-REALLY distracting when you get used to the stable drone footage that is done by five year olds today. It really stood out as I watched every one of these movies. Those damn helicopter shots I never noticed till drone footage but now its soooo baaaad. The director did an 'ok' job but Stuart Rosenberg isn't quite in the same stratosphere as the rest on this list.
The good stuff. The screenplay is one of the best and what elevates it is the unique subject matter. I was blown away while watching and figured this is too good. No one can jut 'come up' with the universe this script is set in and I was right, the screenwriter did time and new how things operated behind bars. Donn Pearce was the principal screen writer to get credit and he should because its based on his life. His life story is INCREDIBLE but not a direct match to Cool Hand. In any event he took mental notes and wrote a book that never got legs. What he created is awesome. Carr (not Carl) the floor walker played to perfection by Clifton James, Arletta by Jo Van Fleet, Captian by Strother Martin, all of the bosses, before you even get to the prisoners. Oh and who could forget that car wash'n temptress Lucille
played by Joy Harmon who reminded me of THIS CONTESTANT on the Newlywed game.No one could just vamp that world, the linga franca 'You eyeballin Society? Jes checking my yo-yo boss.' Tiny little details of deliciousness. It is such a good screenplay I wanted to put it first. I flip flopped many times.
1. Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid 16 pts
Directed by George Roy Hill and written by William Goldman. Just perfect. I don't know what to say, just perfect.
Starring Paul Newman, Robert Redford, Katharine Ross, Strother Martin. So Newman and Katy Ross make the top-ten twice and Redford was 'supposed' get the Hoffman role in the Graduate but Nichols didn't think he could play a loser. Redford chaffed so Nichols asked him if he ever had a girl turn him down and Redford replied. 'What do you mean?' Nichols went for a more natural looking loser and chose Hoffman.
I find this one of the most watchable movies of all-time. Newman would argue with director George Roy Hill constantly and felt those long shots of the posse from a distance were all wrong. Newman would later admit he was wrong long after Hill had passed. This is the movie that made Redford a mega star. Strother Martin also makes the list again and I love his bit part in this film. I can't hear 'Sweet Betsy From Pike' without hearing his warbling. The comedy may be broad, people may hate Raindrops and Roy Hill HATED that song but the audience ate it up.
I fell in love with this movie years ago and researched the real outlaws and found I had crossed paths with some of their travels. One place is Rock Springs Wyoming where a young Robert Leroy Parker found a job as a Butcher and coined the nickname of 'Butch'. A really bad snowstorm killed off an entire year's worth of cattle and many cowhands found themselves out of work as Harry Longabaugh got caught rustling to survive and wound up in Sundance prison in Wyoming where he got his nickname. The real Hole In The Wall is still their in northern Wyoming. The Hole In The Wall gang became famous because of Butch who figured out that if he had fresh horses every 20 miles he could out run any posse and he was right. That simple trick made him a ledged. The first bank he robbed has a metal inscription of the date and time he robbed the bank. The story of the Outlaw Trail has to be told sometime on film because that is fascinating and parts of it still exist.
Back on track.
The pacing, the chemistry that has never been beat in any buddy-buddy film in the history of cinema. It is a pure delight so an anti-western makes the top film of the 1960s. I can see Wick'd and Mrs. Ram doing projectile vomiting from a different time zone but I luv me sum Butch.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Newman was so good in the 60s. I could argue he made 2 better movies in the 60s than Butch and Luke. It's that big of a stretch to say The Hustler and Hud are every bit as good.
What cool names too- Butch Cassidy, Hud Buchanon, Fast Eddie Folsom, Cool Hand Luke Jackson. They all sound like they could have been the welterweight champion of the world.
What cool names too- Butch Cassidy, Hud Buchanon, Fast Eddie Folsom, Cool Hand Luke Jackson. They all sound like they could have been the welterweight champion of the world.
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Zow
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I always associate Butch Cassidy with the 70s. It just feels like a 70s film (whereas Cool Hand Luke definitely has that 60s feel.)
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
[Butch just rode with Etta on his bicycle]When I think of Paul Newman, it's hard not to picture him riding the bike in Butch Cassidy with that mile wide grin.
He's had so many memorable parts, but I still go back to that scene.
- Sundance Kid: Hey, what are you doin'?
- Sundance Kid: [pause] Take her.
- Sundance Kid: Take her.
Doug B
Footballguy
The ending of the Schoolhouse Rock video "Telegraph Line" (about the nervous system) was inspired by Paul Newman's bike tricks in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Didn't learn that until I got the Schoolhouse Rock box set when my kids were little.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
so, if temptress Lucille had been salaciously sudsing a bicycle instead of an automobile, i take it Cool Hand Luke would have snagged the top spot
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mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Nice!Bracie Smathers said:TOP THREE 60s
3. The Apartment 14 pts
Its got three things I love in movies. Billy Wilder directing, Billy Wilder and I. A. L. Diamond screenplay with Jack Lemmon and Shirley McClaine
Wilder not only knew how to write scripts he had a few rules. Spare use of voice over but he begins with a VO. He said why use 12 pages of dialogue when 30 seconds of VO can do the same thing but don't tell the audience, show them and have them figure it out and that is why Jack Lemmon says he 'Has a problem and can't use his apartment.' Billy shows us why and we hit the ground running. Brilliant.
Another Billy Wilder script writing rule, do the set up early and then come back around with the punchline later in the story. We see this in many Wilder screenplays. One of my all-time favorites is in 'Some Like It Hot' when Lemmon says in full drag to Marilyn Monroe while sniping at Tony Curtis that 'I bet he even has a BICYCLE!' It stood out since it didn't fit the scene but later the comeback when Lemmon is stalling for time in drag with his male date when Curtis comes by riding a bicycle and he says astonished. 'He DOES have a bicycle.' I crack up every time. In the Apartment he sets up the ending when he has Lemmon tell the story about his suicide attempt with a gun and shows it to McClaine. Later she's running to his apartment when... won't give away the obvious spoiler. The way he gives his boss the broken mirror he found which sets up how he figured out the girl was McClaine. Lots of other examples but it is gooooooood stuff. Dare I say? Wildereske? I just luv it and eat it up with a fork and spoon.
What can you say about Wilder and Jack Lemmon? Peas and carrots? I adore their work together and with McClaine? Chef's kiss. Irma la Douce isn't on any AFI top-100 list but I LOVE IT! It works for me. In The Apartment the love triangle with Fred McMurray works, it just works. The acting is great. I have to mention the Doc next door neighbor played by Jack Kruschen, lovely character actor who is just right in this one.
The score is nice, the story, the directing, the acting, its just damn good.
2. Cool Hand Luke 15 pts
Torn between the top-two. One thing about 60s films is the, um experimental camera work that can really detract but one thing we see in contemporary films is what? DRONE FOOTAGE up the ying-yang. What in the wild-wild world of sports does that have to do with Cool Hand Luke and 60 experimental camera use? Well a lot of 60 films would set up a big shot to end a film which inevitable was a HELICOPTER SHOT that was shaky as hell and would kick up a ton of dust and it is really-REALLY distracting when you get used to the stable drone footage that is done by five year olds today. It really stood out as I watched every one of these movies. Those damn helicopter shots I never noticed till drone footage but now its soooo baaaad. The director did an 'ok' job but Stuart Rosenberg isn't quite in the same stratosphere as the rest on this list.
The good stuff. The screenplay is one of the best and what elevates it is the unique subject matter. I was blown away while watching and figured this is too good. No one can jut 'come up' with the universe this script is set in and I was right, the screenwriter did time and new how things operated behind bars. Donn Pearce was the principal screen writer to get credit and he should because its based on his life. His life story is INCREDIBLE but not a direct match to Cool Hand. In any event he took mental notes and wrote a book that never got legs. What he created is awesome. Carr (not Carl) the floor walker played to perfection by Clifton James, Arletta by Jo Van Fleet, Captian by Strother Martin, all of the bosses, before you even get to the prisoners. Oh and who could forget that car wash'n temptress Lucille
No one could just vamp that world, the linga franca 'You eyeballin Society? Jes checking my yo-yo boss.' Tiny little details of deliciousness. It is such a good screenplay I wanted to put it first. I flip flopped many times.
1. Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid 16 pts
Directed by George Roy Hill and written by William Goldman. Just perfect. I don't know what to say, just perfect.
Starring Paul Newman, Robert Redford, Katharine Ross, Strother Martin. So Newman and Katy Ross make the top-ten twice and Redford was 'supposed' get the Hoffman role in the Graduate but Nichols didn't think he could play a loser. Redford chaffed so Nichols asked him if he ever had a girl turn him down and Redford replied. 'What do you mean?' Nichols went for a more natural looking loser and chose Hoffman.
I find this one of the most watchable movies of all-time. Newman would argue with director George Roy Hill constantly and felt those long shots of the posse from a distance were all wrong. Newman would later admit he was wrong long after Hill had passed. This is the movie that made Redford a mega star. Strother Martin also makes the list again and I love his bit part in this film. I can't hear 'Sweet Betsy From Pike' without hearing his warbling. The comedy may be broad, people may hate Raindrops and Roy Hill HATED that song but the audience ate it up.
I fell in love with this movie years ago and researched the real outlaws and found I had crossed paths with some of their travels. One place is Rock Springs Wyoming where a young Robert Leroy Parker found a job as a Butcher and coined the nickname of 'Butch'. A really bad snowstorm killed off an entire year's worth of cattle and many cowhands found themselves out of work as Harry Longabaugh got caught rustling to survive and wound up in Sundance prison in Wyoming where he got his nickname. The real Hole In The Wall is still their in northern Wyoming. The Hole In The Wall gang became famous because of Butch who figured out that if he had fresh horses every 20 miles he could out run any posse and he was right. That simple trick made him a ledged. The first bank he robbed has a metal inscription of the date and time he robbed the bank. The story of the Outlaw Trail has to be told sometime on film because that is fascinating and parts of it still exist.
Back on track.
The pacing, the chemistry that has never been beat in any buddy-buddy film in the history of cinema. It is a pure delight so an anti-western makes the top film of the 1960s. I can see Wick'd and Mrs. Ram doing projectile vomiting from a different time zone but I luv me sum Butch.
Zow
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Not to me. I always associate Bacharach with Carpenters and early 70s. But his early hits were late 60s, it’s true.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, Butch Cassidy is definitely a 60s movie both in it being factually made in the 1960s and in it's feel IMO. The only 70s thing about it is Redford. Other than that, it's far more whimsical and big studio Hollywood feel fora 70s movie. There were movies made like that in the 70s (see The Sting) but that decade is much more about gritty, raw and more independent feeling movies The French Connection or Dog Day Afternoon. The late 60s movie that feels like a 70s movie is Midnight Cowboy.
Chris B.
Footballguy
For some reason I thought this was a western. Imagine my surprise that it was completely different that what I expected. I did like it.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
And that's a large part of why it's unwatchable. The music is just terrible in an elevator hell sort of way.
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