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[aardball44]

1) I'd be ecstatic if DET selects Brady Quinn.

2) I'll bet $10 they won't.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1) I'd be ecstatic if DET selects Brady Quinn.2) I'll bet $10 they won't.

A fellow believer!Welcome brother!

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm in complete agreement that Brohm will be the odds-on favorite to go #1 overall next season (or at least be the first QB taken). There's also a lot of game to play til then. Quickly...

1. Henne - agree. He's not consistent enough, in my view. That said, he is a long time starter and will be coming from a major program with a history of success producing QBs. He'll get some attention and the benefit of the doubt where the other guys wouldn't (a la Quinn this season)

2. Ainge - Ainge is lanky, but he's tall, has excellent mechanics, and can make all the throws. All of them. He also has great pocket awareness and improved a ton from last year to this year. Similar improvement in 07 would make him a 1st round lock.

3. Woodson - I went to the Vols/Cats game and Woodson is very impressive. As much as Randy Sanders was a bad OC for the Vols, he's doing an excellent job with Woodson, who reminds me a bit of Roethlisberger and, to a lesser degree, Leftwich in college. He stands tall in the pocket and has a crisp, quick release. He makes a lot of tough throws and clearly is the leader of a squad.

4. Booty - too soon to tell. But like Henne, I expect him to get a lot of attention, which always bodes well.

 

[aposulli]

I disagree. Russell, Ainge, Brennan, Henne, Woodson, and Booty could all put together a season in 07 that would endear them to being the #1 selection overall just as easily as Brohm could.

None of these guys are top flight prospects. Booty didn't really endear himself against UCLA. Sure it's one game, but his play under pressure I think will inspire more negative critics than anything.Brennan just can't overcome the "system QB" label, at least not enough to go #1 QB.Woodson is certainly not a prototypical NFL QB.Ainge's mediocre 2006 doesn't do him favors.Henne is the only QB I would say who can (and I think quite possibly will) overtake Brohm on the 2008 draft board.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I disagree. Russell, Ainge, Brennan, Henne, Woodson, and Booty could all put together a season in 07 that would endear them to being the #1 selection overall just as easily as Brohm could.

None of these guys are top flight prospects. Booty didn't really endear himself against UCLA. Sure it's one game, but his play under pressure I think will inspire more negative critics than anything.Brennan just can't overcome the "system QB" label, at least not enough to go #1 QB.Woodson is certainly not a prototypical NFL QB.Ainge's mediocre 2006 doesn't do him favors.Henne is the only QB I would say who can (and I think quite possibly will) overtake Brohm on the 2008 draft board.

I disagree with each point. 1. Re: Booty - Quinn didn't really endear himself in ANY big game in the last two years, yet he's probably going #1 overall.2. Brennan will be interesting, as his coach has LOTS of NFL connections.3. How is Woodson not a prototypical NFL QB? He has great size, mechanics, an arm, and intangibles like "leadership."4. Ainge was great in 2006. I bet you were suggesting 2005, which was indeed a bad year. That said, if he can play well next season, no one's going to be looking at his sophomore season when evaluating him for the NFL.

 

[Chaos Commish]

1. Detroit - Brady Quinn...32. San Diego - Eric Weddle

Okay Andy. I don't like this one. I started replying. It got too long. So, I guess the best way to respond is with a revision of my own with commentary. I was going to wait another week and break out version 2.0 (two rounds worth), but 1.3 should be easy enough.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Detroit - Brady Quinn...32. San Diego - Eric Weddle

Okay Andy. I don't like this one. I started replying. It got too long. So, I guess the best way to respond is with a revision of my own with commentary. I was going to wait another week and break out version 2.0 (two rounds worth) later this week, but 1.3 should be easy enough.

It has the virtue of being different. I look forward to yours.

 

[diesel7982]

While Barron has been disappointing at times, BUST is terribly strong. He'll be a starter for a long time there. He does need to get motivated though.

No he won't. As one of the players called out by Bulger, and compounding it with a wretched performance last night AFTER being called out, I don't think you can reasonably expect him to be a cornerstone. There's lots of talented yet unmotivated failures that have come through the league. Barron is one of them. It was the knock on him when he was drafted, and he's still not improved on it.

And there have been plenty of young players that have gone through this and turned into fine pros. Barron has been bad at times, and dominant at times, but either way, they arent going to be drafting a replacement this year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

While Barron has been disappointing at times, BUST is terribly strong. He'll be a starter for a long time there. He does need to get motivated though.

No he won't. As one of the players called out by Bulger, and compounding it with a wretched performance last night AFTER being called out, I don't think you can reasonably expect him to be a cornerstone. There's lots of talented yet unmotivated failures that have come through the league. Barron is one of them. It was the knock on him when he was drafted, and he's still not improved on it.

And there have been plenty of young players that have gone through this and turned into fine pros. Barron has been bad at times, and dominant at times, but either way, they arent going to be drafting a replacement this year.

Now that Long & Baker aren't coming out, and they're drafting higher, you're right.

 

[diesel7982]

And while I applaud the effort, I agree with WMI, Ginn will not be a Titan. Doesnt fit the offense, they dont need a KR/PR, and hes not really the type of player the Reese(though he may not be there)/Fisher regime has a history of taking. Especially with such big holes on the defense.

Michael Griffin would be a much better fit there.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I disagree. Russell, Ainge, Brennan, Henne, Woodson, and Booty could all put together a season in 07 that would endear them to being the #1 selection overall just as easily as Brohm could.

None of these guys are top flight prospects. Booty didn't really endear himself against UCLA. Sure it's one game, but his play under pressure I think will inspire more negative critics than anything.Brennan just can't overcome the "system QB" label, at least not enough to go #1 QB.Woodson is certainly not a prototypical NFL QB.Ainge's mediocre 2006 doesn't do him favors.Henne is the only QB I would say who can (and I think quite possibly will) overtake Brohm on the 2008 draft board.

I disagree with each point. 1. Re: Booty - Quinn didn't really endear himself in ANY big game in the last two years, yet he's probably going #1 overall.2. Brennan will be interesting, as his coach has LOTS of NFL connections.3. How is Woodson not a prototypical NFL QB? He has great size, mechanics, an arm, and intangibles like "leadership."4. Ainge was great in 2006. I bet you were suggesting 2005, which was indeed a bad year. That said, if he can play well next season, no one's going to be looking at his sophomore season when evaluating him for the NFL.

I love me some QBs! This year and next year depending on declarations are very good years and very underrated because we don'thave headliners like Leinart and Young coming into the league. I fall on Colin's side on the topic at hand. Woodson most certainly could play his way to the #1 spot. He is an amazing QB. Booty could also take the Smith and Jarrett-less Trojans to the top of the rankings and see himself discussed with Carson and Matt. Henne could win a national title and also end up atop them all. Ainge played at a very high level. Just remember Cutler's rise from barely top 10 to almost #1. I think Russell is a lock to come out, and I think Brohm has a big headstart at #1 next year, but these are all fine looking QBs with a lot of football to play.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And while I applaud the effort, I agree with WMI, Ginn will not be a Titan. Doesnt fit the offense, they dont need a KR/PR, and hes not really the type of player the Reese(though he may not be there)/Fisher regime has a history of taking. Especially with such big holes on the defense.

Neither was Young until Bud twisted their arms off.If they don't re-sign Bennett (likely) they need someone to catch the ball. And don't even try to convince me that they have someone on the roster currently that can do that.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Michael Griffin would be a much better fit there.

Bloom!!?? I have been reviewing this past season (college) very carefully. Could you again explain to me why you're not so high on Griffin, please. I think we were both wrong about his ex teammate namesake on the Vikes and few would argue the rookie is better than Michael.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Michael Griffin would be a much better fit there.

Bloom!!?? I have been reviewing this past season (college) very carefully. Could you again explain to me why you're not so high on Griffin, please. I think we were both wrong about his ex teammate namesake on the Vikes and few would argue the rookie is better than Michael.

Cedric Griffin has played very well for a rookie. Any mock that shows the Vikings taking a CB is flat wrong, IMO.(Apparently we've moved on to the "stream of conciousness" portion of our thread...)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are there any fans of any team that would like for their squad to draft Ginn?

I'd love for him to be a Viking. Yes, even taken that high. The Vikes have gone from thrilling to mind numbingly boring faster than you can say "Randy, pass the ganja." Ginn would enfuse some excitement at the very least.

 

[msommer]

And while I applaud the effort, I agree with WMI, Ginn will not be a Titan. Doesnt fit the offense, they dont need a KR/PR, and hes not really the type of player the Reese(though he may not be there)/Fisher regime has a history of taking. Especially with such big holes on the defense.

Neither was Young until Bud twisted their arms off.If they don't re-sign Bennett (likely) they need someone to catch the ball. And don't even try to convince me that they have someone on the roster currently that can do that.

None on their roster but they have about 11 picks and 41 million cap room to find someone.

 

[diesel7982]

And while I applaud the effort, I agree with WMI, Ginn will not be a Titan. Doesnt fit the offense, they dont need a KR/PR, and hes not really the type of player the Reese(though he may not be there)/Fisher regime has a history of taking. Especially with such big holes on the defense.

Neither was Young until Bud twisted their arms off.

If they don't re-sign Bennett (likely) they need someone to catch the ball. And don't even try to convince me that they have someone on the roster currently that can do that.

Sorry Andy, theres not a part of that sentence that I agree with. Bennett is a fan favorite and will not cost too much to re-sign. Hes having a down year, and his value on the open market will not be that great.

Brandon Jones is developing into a solid #2 WR, despite coming off an ACL. He'll be the clear starter there next season. Givens will be back next year, and given how players are recovering from ACLs, he should be near 100% by the start of the season. Roydell Williams still has alot of potential.

I dont disagree that they'll look to add a WR, but if they do, it'll be a clear #1 type, not another little, one-dimensional speedster like Ginn. And they'll most likely do this via FA, as there are much more severe needs at more important positions(DE, CB, S, OT) that will be addressed in the draft.

 

[diesel7982]

Are there any fans of any team that would like for their squad to draft Ginn?I'd love for him to be a Viking. Yes, even taken that high. The Vikes have gone from thrilling to mind numbingly boring faster than you can say "Randy, pass the ganja." Ginn would enfuse some excitement at the very least.

Is Williamson going to be in Minny next year?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are there any fans of any team that would like for their squad to draft Ginn?I'd love for him to be a Viking. Yes, even taken that high. The Vikes have gone from thrilling to mind numbingly boring faster than you can say "Randy, pass the ganja." Ginn would enfuse some excitement at the very least.

Is Williamson going to be in Minny next year?

I don't see any way he's not. The bigger question is "What is Troy Williamson thinking as the ball is approaching?"A) "You think there's maybe some Ebola virus on that thing?"B) "Is it just me, or is that thing on FIRE!"C) "Were they just teasing me when they said my hands are made of glass?"D) "Dang! Who KNOWS what kind of unreasonable expectations they're going to heap on me if I actually CATCH that thing!"E) "FOOTSTEPS!!!!!"

 

[Chaos Commish]

Are there any fans of any team that would like for their squad to draft Ginn?I'd love for him to be a Viking. Yes, even taken that high. The Vikes have gone from thrilling to mind numbingly boring faster than you can say "Randy, pass the ganja." Ginn would enfuse some excitement at the very least.

I'd be be very pleased if Dallas could land Ted Ginn, Jr. I don't understand what he's done to be so disliked, but the guy is an amazing talent. One very poor myth is that he runs bad routes. He was running better routes than Santonio Holmes at the end of last season (I still have those last games on tape if you care to argue) and Holmes was highly regarded for route running. Ginn developed as a route runner last year and once he got it, he applied his incredible cutting ability to the craft and became impossible to cover. He and Gonzo are both great route runners at OSU, but Ginn's phenomenal burst and cutting ability make him better. He also has the best hands of any Buckeye this season or last. He is bigger, stronger and better than most people realize. What I like the most about Ginn is his exceptional power for his size. He is not easily arm tackled. He is a 6 foot tall Steve Smith with the toughness of a DB. Next year's ROY. Future league and Super Bowl MVP. Dominating fantasy WR for a decade. HoFer and owner of Jerry Rice TD record by the time he's done. A steal in this draft whenever he's drafted.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are there any fans of any team that would like for their squad to draft Ginn?I'd love for him to be a Viking. Yes, even taken that high. The Vikes have gone from thrilling to mind numbingly boring faster than you can say "Randy, pass the ganja." Ginn would enfuse some excitement at the very least.

I'd be be very pleased if Dallas could land Ted Ginn, Jr. I don't understand what he's done to be so disliked, but the guy is an amazing talent. One very poor myth is that he runs bad routes. He was running better routes than Santonio Holmes at the end of last season (I still have those last games on tape if you care to argue) and Holmes was highly regarded for route running. Ginn developed as a route runner last year and once he got it, he applied his incredible cutting ability to the craft and became impossible to cover. He and Gonzo are both great route runners at OSU, but Ginn's phenomenal burst and cutting ability make him better. He also has the best hands of any Buckeye this season or last. He is bigger, stronger and better than most people realize. What I like the most about Ginn is his exceptional power for his size. He is not easily arm tackled. He is a 6 foot tall Steve Smith with the toughness of a DB. Next year's ROY. Future league and Super Bowl MVP. Dominating fantasy WR for a decade. HoFer and owner of Jerry Rice TD record by the time he's done. A steal in this draft whenever he's drafted.

I heard he has a plan for peace in the Middle East too. I'd imagine the time he spent at CB makes him a better WR, doesn't it?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Michael Griffin would be a much better fit there.

Bloom!!?? I have been reviewing this past season (college) very carefully. Could you again explain to me why you're not so high on Griffin, please. I think we were both wrong about his ex teammate namesake on the Vikes and few would argue the rookie is better than Michael.

I am very high on Griffin's physical attributes and his game when he is playing disciplined. Unfortunately, disciplined, smart football was hard to find in the UT secondary this year. Griffin is a first round talent, no doubt about it, but his (and the rest of the secondary's) performances in a few big games this year really bothered me.Cedric has worked out, cover 2 was definitely the right spot for him to land.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

And while I applaud the effort, I agree with WMI, Ginn will not be a Titan. Doesnt fit the offense, they dont need a KR/PR, and hes not really the type of player the Reese(though he may not be there)/Fisher regime has a history of taking. Especially with such big holes on the defense.

Neither was Young until Bud twisted their arms off.

If they don't re-sign Bennett (likely) they need someone to catch the ball. And don't even try to convince me that they have someone on the roster currently that can do that.

Sorry Andy, theres not a part of that sentence that I agree with. Bennett is a fan favorite and will not cost too much to re-sign. Hes having a down year, and his value on the open market will not be that great.

Brandon Jones is developing into a solid #2 WR, despite coming off an ACL. He'll be the clear starter there next season. Givens will be back next year, and given how players are recovering from ACLs, he should be near 100% by the start of the season. Roydell Williams still has alot of potential.

I dont disagree that they'll look to add a WR, but if they do, it'll be a clear #1 type, not another little, one-dimensional speedster like Ginn. And they'll most likely do this via FA, as there are much more severe needs at more important positions(DE, CB, S, OT) that will be addressed in the draft.

Bennett will definitely be re-signed.Brandon Jones will do very well as the #2. I love Bennett as a #3 and Wade at slot for a 4th.

What the Titans need is a number 1. Maybe that will be Givens, maybe someone else. But it won't be Ginn. Honestly, I think Gonzalez will be a better NFL WR than Ginn.

I think they may very well draft a WR, just not in the first round.

One thing to note, right now. The Titans have had the death card at TE this year. Kinney -- knee, never played. Troupe, on IR. Scaife -- beat up. Healthy TEs will make the WRs look a lot better.

Having said all that -- Titans go D in first round. Safety or DE, I'm calling it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Bennett will definitely be re-signed.

He's a UFA that will draw a lot of interest as he's the best FA available this year.

Brandon Jones will do very well as the #2. I love Bennett as a #3 and Wade at slot for a 4th.What the Titans need is a number 1. Maybe that will be Givens, maybe someone else. But it won't be Ginn. Honestly, I think Gonzalez will be a better NFL WR than Ginn.

Hope springs eternal in the human breast..

Having said all that -- Titans go D in first round. Safety or DE, I'm calling it.

Not if there's not the value for it at the position they pick. Teams get in trouble when the draft JUST for need.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Having said all that -- Titans go D in first round. Safety or DE, I'm calling it.

Not if there's not the value for it at the position they pick. Teams get in trouble when the draft JUST for need.

Not when the need is very specific, as it is with the Titans.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Having said all that -- Titans go D in first round. Safety or DE, I'm calling it.

Not if there's not the value for it at the position they pick. Teams get in trouble when the draft JUST for need.

Not when the need is very specific, as it is with the Titans.

It's called "reaching". You're saying you'd rather have the Titans a) draft a 2nd+ round talent in the 1st as long as it's a position of need instead of b) drafting 1st round talent in the 1st even if it's not the most important area of need?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Having said all that -- Titans go D in first round. Safety or DE, I'm calling it.

Not if there's not the value for it at the position they pick. Teams get in trouble when the draft JUST for need.

Not when the need is very specific, as it is with the Titans.

It's called "reaching". You're saying you'd rather have the Titans a) draft a 2nd+ round talent in the 1st as long as it's a position of need instead of b) drafting 1st round talent in the 1st even if it's not the most important area of need?

I don't think that's it. This draft has a lot of talent at CB, which is a spot where the Titans need a good player.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't think that's it. This draft has a lot of talent at CB, which is a spot where the Titans need a good player.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate a bit here. They certainly could take CB instead. Or DE, or DT, or...Their record is better than their talent. So there are many gaps to fill.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I don't think that's it. This draft has a lot of talent at CB, which is a spot where the Titans need a good player.

I don't like the CB talent, but maybe I'm spoiled from last year. This year's crop doesn't run like last years. I think that translates to coverage. There's three or four that look like solid cover guys and then a bunch I don't think have the wheels for the NFL. I think the two Longhorns are overrated and a little too slow. Hughes and Cason do not have elite wheels. McCauley does but he gets burned too much. Revis and Hall look great. I think Bennett can play in the NFL. I have no faith in David Irons and a pretty long list of "ranked CBs" ever making it at the next level. A bunch will get drafted, but few will have impact... like this year anyway.

 

[davearm]

Skimming, I don't see Jeff Samardzija's name mentioned at all recently.

Are you guys feeling pretty confident he's out of the first round? How far do you see him falling?

Anybody hearing/thinking anything new on the NFL v MLB issue?

:goCubs:

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Having said all that -- Titans go D in first round. Safety or DE, I'm calling it.

Not if there's not the value for it at the position they pick. Teams get in trouble when the draft JUST for need.

Not when the need is very specific, as it is with the Titans.

It's called "reaching". You're saying you'd rather have the Titans a) draft a 2nd+ round talent in the 1st as long as it's a position of need instead of b) drafting 1st round talent in the 1st even if it's not the most important area of need?

NO, it is called "you may have your draft grading all screwed up." I'm not saying draft 2nd rd talent in the first -- I'm saying that you have your draft grades messed up.The Titans have 4 PRIMARY areas of need in order (my opinion): CB, S, DE, WR. My point is that a legitimately high graded player WILL be on the board when they take their first pick -- and I don't think it will be a WR. Frankly, I think they'll sign a CB in FA, and the first pick will be a S or DE.

 

[-OZ-]

Are there any fans of any team that would like for their squad to draft Ginn?I'd love for him to be a Viking. Yes, even taken that high. The Vikes have gone from thrilling to mind numbingly boring faster than you can say "Randy, pass the ganja." Ginn would enfuse some excitement at the very least.

Lions If you need a PR/KR, I'd take Ginn. At the least, he'll do well there. At the best, he'll be a gamebreaker at WR, but there's a lot of risk for that high in the draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Titans have 4 PRIMARY areas of need in order (my opinion): CB, S, DE, WR. My point is that a legitimately high graded player WILL be on the board when they take their first pick -- and I don't think it will be a WR. Frankly, I think they'll sign a CB in FA, and the first pick will be a S or DE.

All right. I see what you're saying. But what safety or cornerback do you think will be available when they draft? In the recent mock, my assumption was that Landry, Nelson, Hall, and Revis are all off the board by the Titans pick. Given that scenario, who would you see the Titans taking?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are there any fans of any team that would like for their squad to draft Ginn?I'd love for him to be a Viking. Yes, even taken that high. The Vikes have gone from thrilling to mind numbingly boring faster than you can say "Randy, pass the ganja." Ginn would enfuse some excitement at the very least.

Lions If you need a PR/KR, I'd take Ginn. At the least, he'll do well there. At the best, he'll be a gamebreaker at WR, but there's a lot of risk for that high in the draft.

Well, he's not a top 3 pick of course. But if he's there at 2.x when the Lions pick, he has to be given strong consideration.

 

[Colin Dowling]

The Titans have 4 PRIMARY areas of need in order (my opinion): CB, S, DE, WR. My point is that a legitimately high graded player WILL be on the board when they take their first pick -- and I don't think it will be a WR. Frankly, I think they'll sign a CB in FA, and the first pick will be a S or DE.

All right. I see what you're saying. But what safety or cornerback do you think will be available when they draft? In the recent mock, my assumption was that Landry, Nelson, Hall, and Revis are all off the board by the Titans pick. Given that scenario, who would you see the Titans taking?

I'm not sure I think Nelson and Revis will both be gone. If that's the case, I think that Quintin Moses might be there or Antoine Cason. Either would be decent additions since the team essentially needs a "second" at each spot as Van Den Bosch and Jones are obviously two of the best players on the D.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Titans have 4 PRIMARY areas of need in order (my opinion): CB, S, DE, WR. My point is that a legitimately high graded player WILL be on the board when they take their first pick -- and I don't think it will be a WR. Frankly, I think they'll sign a CB in FA, and the first pick will be a S or DE.

All right. I see what you're saying. But what safety or cornerback do you think will be available when they draft? In the recent mock, my assumption was that Landry, Nelson, Hall, and Revis are all off the board by the Titans pick. Given that scenario, who would you see the Titans taking?

I'm not sure I think Nelson and Revis will both be gone. If that's the case, I think that Quintin Moses might be there or Antoine Cason. Either would be decent additions since the team essentially needs a "second" at each spot as Van Den Bosch and Jones are obviously two of the best players on the D.

I could see Cason but not Moses.BTW - The one thing they certainly don't need is a ROLB. Bulluck got stiffed again!? The NFL Pro Bowl has even less meaning than the Academy Awards.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why not Moses? He is a good pass rusher, which is a big need.

 

[Bankerguy]

I hate Dallas taking a DE.Nice effort overall.

Who would you have them take?

Not many Cowboy fans would agree with me.I want the best OG on the board, I know that OG's aren't valued as much in the draft.but give me.......Justin Blalock OG Texas.Instant upgrade over Kosier or Rivera.I want Landry...but he'll be gone.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

The Titans have 4 PRIMARY areas of need in order (my opinion): CB, S, DE, WR. My point is that a legitimately high graded player WILL be on the board when they take their first pick -- and I don't think it will be a WR. Frankly, I think they'll sign a CB in FA, and the first pick will be a S or DE.

All right. I see what you're saying. But what safety or cornerback do you think will be available when they draft? In the recent mock, my assumption was that Landry, Nelson, Hall, and Revis are all off the board by the Titans pick. Given that scenario, who would you see the Titans taking?

Frankly, I think they use some of their (at least) 11 picks to move up to get the S/DE they want. The Titans do not need 11 rookies to fill spots, depth. What they need is 4-5 top flight players. I think they package the bottom end to move up in general in the draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I hate Dallas taking a DE.Nice effort overall.

Who would you have them take?

Not many Cowboy fans would agree with me.I want the best OG on the board, I know that OG's aren't valued as much in the draft.but give me.......Justin Blalock OG Texas.Instant upgrade over Kosier or Rivera.I want Landry...but he'll be gone.

Blalock would be a great pick for the 'Boys. But, damn they've been stubborn at fixing that offensive line the last three years.

 

[Ridgelake]

I hate Dallas taking a DE.Nice effort overall.

Who would you have them take?

Not many Cowboy fans would agree with me.I want the best OG on the board, I know that OG's aren't valued as much in the draft.but give me.......Justin Blalock OG Texas.Instant upgrade over Kosier or Rivera.I want Landry...but he'll be gone.

Blalock would be a great pick for the 'Boys. But, damn they've been stubborn at fixing that offensive line the last three years.

Parcells feels about the same in drafting olinemen early as he does WRs. Outside of a select few people like Orlando Pace, Ogden, Walter Jones, its very difficult to have a real good sense of who will develop well into a good olineman. So, they take guys later and try to develop them. It should be noted that they have taken a couple of linemen in the second round under Parcells. Al Johnson and the tackle from USC whose name escapes me. Both guys got injuries early in their careers. Johnson lost a year but has returned and is still on the team as a backup center. His injury clearly affected his leg strength though. The other guy never was healthy enough to make the club and Dallas cut him after 2-3 years. Peterman is another early oline draft pick (3rd rounder) who never panned out. More injury problems.That said, they have invested big bucks in Rivera and Kozier. About $16 mil of signing bonus worth.

 

[Bankerguy]

I hate Dallas taking a DE.Nice effort overall.

Who would you have them take?

Not many Cowboy fans would agree with me.I want the best OG on the board, I know that OG's aren't valued as much in the draft.but give me.......Justin Blalock OG Texas.Instant upgrade over Kosier or Rivera.I want Landry...but he'll be gone.

Blalock would be a great pick for the 'Boys. But, damn they've been stubborn at fixing that offensive line the last three years.

Parcells feels about the same in drafting olinemen early as he does WRs. Outside of a select few people like Orlando Pace, Ogden, Walter Jones, its very difficult to have a real good sense of who will develop well into a good olineman. So, they take guys later and try to develop them. It should be noted that they have taken a couple of linemen in the second round under Parcells. Al Johnson and the tackle from USC whose name escapes me. Both guys got injuries early in their careers. Johnson lost a year but has returned and is still on the team as a backup center. His injury clearly affected his leg strength though. The other guy never was healthy enough to make the club and Dallas cut him after 2-3 years. Peterman is another early oline draft pick (3rd rounder) who never panned out. More injury problems.That said, they have invested big bucks in Rivera and Kozier. About $16 mil of signing bonus worth.

Ridge,You are right about Parcells with Wr's and O-line. I think the other guard was Peterman.Kosier is hot and cold. Good game, then bad game. Rivera is a disaster and gets pushed back almost every snap. Dallas Needs:NT-Ferguson is about itWR-Getting Old, and may release TO in the offseasonOG/OT-At tackle Cowboys are 1 injury away from their season going down. Guard.....Kosier and Rivera FS-Depending on how Watkins develops.OLB-Someone who can bring pressure besides WareCB- You can never have enough quality cornersGreatest needs:OGNTOT OLBWRFSCB

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Detroit - Brady Quinn

The o-line has been playing better, and as much as I love Kitna, it's obvious he's not the answer. If you're going to pay #1 overall money to a position, I believe it should be a QB.

2. Oakland - Joe Thomas

Doesn't matter who plays QB or RB if the line is terrible. Which this team's obviously is.

3. Cleveland - Adrian Peterson

So many holes in this team. But with two young QBs on the roster, both of which are still in the development stage, this team needs a running threat to take the heat off.

4. Tampa Bay - Calvin Johnson

Re-signed Simms. Need a WR to open up the offense.

5. Arizona - LaRon Landry

Too high? Maybe.

6. Houston - Jamarcus Russell

Carr is done. And even if Jake Plummer is brought in, he's not the long term answer.

7. Washington - Alan Branch

A steal if he falls this far. Helps make their average DE's a bit better.

8. Minnesota - Gaines Adams

Udeze is a good run stopper but obviously not a pass rusher. Erasmus James is coming off an ACL. Childress is just the smartest guy in the room, so the offense doesn't need any work. just ask him http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/s...ll/16303909.htm

9. San Francisco - Leon Hall

CB is the obvious need.

10. Miami - Darrelle Revis



11. St. Louis - DeMarcus Tyler

Is he another in a series of busts at DT for the Rams?

12. Atlanta - Reggie Nelson

Obvious.

13. Carolina - Patrick Willis

LB help is the biggest need.

14. Green Bay - Marcus McCauley

CB is the biggest hole. McCauley has the physical talent and should rebound from an average senior year.

15. Pittsburgh - Anthony Spencer

Perfect fit for the 3-4.

16. New York Giants - Levi Brown

Too bad they can't draft better body language for Eli Manning. O-line appears to be the biggest problem.

17. Buffalo - Dwayne Jarrett

Give Lee Evans & Losman a #2 and watch what happens. Nice to see Losman emerge.

18. New England (from Seattle) - Antoine Cason

What a defensive backfield.

19. Kansas City - Omobi Okoye

Need that run stopper.

20. Jacksonville - Justin Blalock

What a spectacularly average team.

21. Cincinnati - Quinn Pitcock

I figured it out. Those aren't tiger stripes on the helmets. They're fingerprint ridges.

22. Tennessee - Ted Ginn Jr.



23. Dallas - Adam Carriker

Too bad they pick in this spot just about every year.

24. New York Jets - Lemarr Woodley

Fits as either a DE or OLB.

25. Philadelphia - Paul Posluszny

Deal with it.

26. Denver - Marshawn Lynch

Yes. He could very well slide this far. And he'd be AWESOME in Denver.

27. New Orleans - Buster Davis

LB help for a team that needs it badly. What a great story they are though.

28. New England - Michael Griffin

And the rich get richer.

29. Indianapolis - Rufus Alexander

No DT worth taking at this point. Need to replenish the LB supply.

30. Baltimore - Troy Smith



31. Chicago - Zach Miller



32. San Diego - Earl Everett

A nice fit to go with Merriman as the dominating d-line mimimizes his size deficiency and maximizes his aggressiveness.

Happy December 26th, everyone!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I may have to rename this thread the "Throw some mud against the wall and see what sticks mock".

I look forward to the "Minnesota Vikings offseason " thread.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I still think you have Landry too high.

I also think the Titans will not choose a WR in the opening round. I think they will select defense. Despite a derth of talent at WR, Jones is playing very well of late and the team really needs help on every position on defense, particularly DE, CB2, and Safety. If things shake out like you are envisisioning, I could see Tennessee trading down and picking up some of the defensive depth that should be available in the second (starting with Brandon Merriweather).

If they stay where they are, I'd imagine Quinten Moses (who you don't have in round 1) will be a strong consideration.

Agree 100% on Peterson to Cleveland. The Texans were fired up to beat Indy for sure, but that likely cost them a shot at the player they need.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I still think you have Landry too high.

I know. But they've played themselves out (in a good way, I guess) of the o-line help they need and their safeties are terrible. Regardless, I think they go defense. Branch or Hall were the other considerations.

I also think the Titans will not choose a WR in the opening round. I think they will select defense. Despite a derth of talent at WR, Jones is playing very well of late and the team really needs help on every position on defense, particularly DE, CB2, and Safety. If things shake out like you are envisisioning, I could see Tennessee trading down and picking up some of the defensive depth that should be available in the second (starting with Brandon Merriweather).

Another team that won too many games. For that spot, the only other guy I'd see them considering is Griffin.

If they stay where they are, I'd imagine Quinten Moses (who you don't have in round 1) will be a strong consideration.

He better have a good combine to erase the images of this year's season.

Agree 100% on Peterson to Cleveland. The Texans were fired up to beat Indy for sure, but that likely cost them a shot at the player they need.

Houston could use Branch, but Russell could prove to be a franchise QB and I'd rather take a chance on that than a DT. Especially with the number of good to great DT's available, one is bound to slip to them in the 2nd if that's what they really want.

 

[Chaos Commish]

32. San Diego - Earl Everett A nice fit to go with Merriman as the dominating d-line mimimizes his size deficiency and maximizes his aggressiveness.Happy December 26th, everyone!

Thanks Andy. These are always fun. I'll nitpick from the bottom up. Everett is barely 230, a WLB in a 4-3. Not a chance on earth he plays OLB in a 3-4. He plays a little soft. He's not a first rounder.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

32. San Diego - Earl Everett A nice fit to go with Merriman as the dominating d-line mimimizes his size deficiency and maximizes his aggressiveness.Happy December 26th, everyone!

Thanks Andy. These are always fun. I'll nitpick from the bottom up. Everett is barely 230, a WLB in a 4-3. Not a chance on earth he plays OLB in a 3-4. He plays a little soft. He's not a first rounder.

Hmmm. True dat. I guess my Eric Weddel projection was better.Speaking of him, I had a chance to watch the bowl game he was in. What an athelete! They had him playing every position but long snapper. I think I shall nickname him Gordie Lockbaum.

 

[Colin Dowling]

32. San Diego - Earl Everett A nice fit to go with Merriman as the dominating d-line mimimizes his size deficiency and maximizes his aggressiveness.Happy December 26th, everyone!

Thanks Andy. These are always fun. I'll nitpick from the bottom up. Everett is barely 230, a WLB in a 4-3. Not a chance on earth he plays OLB in a 3-4. He plays a little soft. He's not a first rounder.

Hmmm. True dat. I guess my Eric Weddel projection was better.Speaking of him, I had a chance to watch the bowl game he was in. What an athelete! They had him playing every position but long snapper. I think I shall nickname him Gordie Lockbaum.

Weddle is a good player indeed, but he's a bit of a man without a position for the NFL. He's far too slow to play Corner, despite his protestations to the contrary.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

32. San Diego - Earl Everett A nice fit to go with Merriman as the dominating d-line mimimizes his size deficiency and maximizes his aggressiveness.Happy December 26th, everyone!

Thanks Andy. These are always fun. I'll nitpick from the bottom up. Everett is barely 230, a WLB in a 4-3. Not a chance on earth he plays OLB in a 3-4. He plays a little soft. He's not a first rounder.

Hmmm. True dat. I guess my Eric Weddel projection was better.Speaking of him, I had a chance to watch the bowl game he was in. What an athelete! They had him playing every position but long snapper. I think I shall nickname him Gordie Lockbaum.

Weddle is a good player indeed, but he's a bit of a man without a position for the NFL. He's far too slow to play Corner, despite his protestations to the contrary.

He's a safety. And whild I suppose speed is a concern, his size isn't compared to other NFL safeties.