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I don't think Dallas cares about needs in the first round, so another DE, who they don't need is always possible, but I think this is a round early for Carriker. Parcells is looking for super athletes in the first round. He rules out WRs because they're little punks and OLs because they're fat slobs. He wants a racehorse here. Carriker is a nice player, but he's not a Parcells first rounder.
He wants to play corner in the NFL. While I realize what he wants and what he gets are likely to be different, it needs to be considered.
I like this one because it upset a Titan fan and it would be a great pick. Too bad they won too many games to have a shot at Ginn.22. Tennessee - Ted Ginn Jr.
Agree on all points. I anticipate some draft slot trades.
The Titans have mountains of Cap money available and IIRC there are two premier FA CB's on the market this year. With all that money, they will have the ability to really shore up some holes before the draft. Are there any spots in particular you think they would be going after as a Titans fan?Edit: And I prefer the Texans drop out of Peterson range, that way they won't get yelled at again for passing on him. RB is a big need, but so is QB, CB and Safety. I'd rather see us take defense again, get a short-term veteran QB like a Plummer and maybe draft a RB next year.
With 11 picks on hand I have a hard time seeing trades for 2007 picks only, drop down to early 2nd might be one exception possible. The big question is whether there is anything in the end of round one that DET, OAK, CLE, HOU etc would covet. OAK might want Ginn, DET might want a WR in the 1st round
as well...Isn't Posluzski (sp) supposed to be the MLB can't miss prospect? Would he not be a dramatic upgrade over Sirmon and/or Tulloch? Just an idea in case a trade down does not happen...
I have difficulty seeing the method to the madness that is the Cowboy's drafting process. BTW - As an aside, watching Roy Williams in coverage gets more painful all the time.
Assuming Landry & Nelson are gone, would you want them to take Griffin, or possibly reach for Merriweather?
You really think he'll go higher? I suppose I can see him in KC, NE, Buff, GB, Atl, Miami, or SF. But that's as high as it goes.I like this one because it upset a Titan fan and it would be a great pick. Too bad they won too many games to have a shot at Ginn.22. Tennessee - Ted Ginn Jr.
CB is far from the biggest hole. Al Harris one of the best in the league, and Charles Woodson put up a very nice season with 7 picks so far. If you're looking for holes on the D, it's saftey and DE.Andy Dufresne said:14. Green Bay - Marcus McCauleyCB is the biggest hole. McCauley has the physical talent and should rebound from an average senior year.
I think that Troy Smith at the top of round 2 will attract the attention of whoever doesn't get Quinn of Oak/Detroit, and the attention of the Browns.msommer said:With 11 picks on hand I have a hard time seeing trades for 2007 picks only, drop down to early 2nd might be one exception possible. The big question is whether there is anything in the end of round one that DET, OAK, CLE, HOU etc would covet. OAK might want Ginn, DET might want a WR in the 1st roundWeapon of Mass Instruction said:as well...Isn't Posluzski (sp) supposed to be the MLB can't miss prospect? Would he not be a dramatic upgrade over Sirmon and/or Tulloch? Just an idea in case a trade down does not happen...
I prefer Merriweather to Griffin, but the difference is minimal. I really like Landry and to a lesser extend, Nelson, but neither is going to last to the 20's without something bad happening. I'd select Patrick Willis long before Poluszny.Andy Dufresne said:
I thought I'd read that Harris was gone after this year. Maybe I'm mistaken. <_< DE is a definite need as KGB underperformed badly.CB is far from the biggest hole. Al Harris one of the best in the league, and Charles Woodson put up a very nice season with 7 picks so far. If you're looking for holes on the D, it's saftey and DE.Andy Dufresne said:14. Green Bay - Marcus McCauleyCB is the biggest hole. McCauley has the physical talent and should rebound from an average senior year.
I'm going to beat this drumhead until draft day: Posluszny is this year's DeMeco Ryans. Immesurables trump measurables and someone gets a steal.
What are you saying Andy? Puz > Willis but drafted later? Also, the funny thing about Ryans is his measureables were reportedly poor but he ended up testing with some very stout numbers. Reporting his fall in the draft as an example of NFL GMs overemphasizing measureables and overlooking Ryans is flawed. I don't know why he slipped to the top of round 2, but his measureables were impressive. More impressive than Greenway who went way ahead of him with worse numbers, yet less impressive than McIntosh who went after him. Of those three LBs the worst measureables were drafted first and the best last. Ryans was in the middle.
Top 15, imo. I think his naysayers are in the media but most NFL teams are drooling. His WR coach says he's 6'1" btw. He's the most dangerous player in the draft both in perception and reality. Top 15 should be a lock.Andy Dufresne said:You really think he'll go higher? I suppose I can see him in KC, NE, Buff, GB, Atl, Miami, or SF. But that's as high as it goes.Chaos Commish said:I like this one because it upset a Titan fan and it would be a great pick. Too bad they won too many games to have a shot at Ginn.Andy Dufresne said:22. Tennessee - Ted Ginn Jr.
I wasn't really trying to compare the two at all. While Puz played inside this year, he played outside last. He moved in because PSU moved to the 3-4. Willis is a better ILB than Puz. But I don't think Puz will play inside at the pro level. Nothing more than a guess there though.
His numbers were stout, but not eye popping. And Greenway didn't have a good combine at all if I remember correctly. I guess we'll have to see where Puz actually goes in the draft to make an accurate comparison. Everything I read and hear (which isn't everything, I know) has him undervalued.
In today's update, I have Willis taken at 13 and Puz at 25. So I think we're seeing eye to eye here.The one from last week, where I had them reversed, was done in too much haste. But still, if the Rams take an LB (which is what I had them doing in that iteration) Puz made more sense than Willis unless they'd put Willis in the middle and move Witherspoon outside again.
I'd love him to be a Viking, but without crappy recievers, Childress has less of a chance of proving how smart he is.Top 15, imo. I think his naysayers are in the media but most NFL teams are drooling. His WR coach says he's 6'1" btw. He's the most dangerous player in the draft both in perception and reality. Top 15 should be a lock.Andy Dufresne said:You really think he'll go higher? I suppose I can see him in KC, NE, Buff, GB, Atl, Miami, or SF. But that's as high as it goes.Chaos Commish said:I like this one because it upset a Titan fan and it would be a great pick. Too bad they won too many games to have a shot at Ginn.Andy Dufresne said:22. Tennessee - Ted Ginn Jr.
I'm a Weddle fan dating back to his freakish performances at Alta Loma HS here in California (the league's only two time offensive and defensive MVP). Your assessment, which concurs with the announcers during the Tulsa game, and very much concurs with what Scott Wright is reporting, doesn't work for me (or any coaches who've had to play against him). Weddle was completely avoided when he played corner because his ball skills are flawless and he shuts down anyone he lines up against, including Calvin Johnson last year in the performance that put Weddle on the map. If you didn't see it, then you missed a thorough dominating ownage. Johnson was completely smothered man up for 4 quarters by Weddle. Utah/Weddle did the same thing last week against speed burner Idris Moss taking him completely away from Tulsa. Weddle has done that over and over again in his career. Oddly a big slow guy (Harline) from BYU has bested Weddle twice in two years. He ran sub 4.4 at Utah as a sophomore, and that isn't a program prone to exaggeration. He spent time at safety (the last two seasons) because teams couldn't easily avoid him roving from the middle. It was merely and effort to keep him involved, like playing both ways. He can play either position (FS or CB, and the reports of him needing to be SS are silly, though he could play there too). He'll be a very solid NFL defender. He was a 1st team freshman all-american as a CB before every team in the MW decided to avoid him prompting the move to safety.Colin Dowling said:
Fair enough, and I agree he didn't look fast enough this past week. We all got a good look at him running the ball. He looked fast, quick and athletic, but by no means did he flash the explosive quickness required of an NFL CB. Still, like Anthony Henry or Cedrick Griffin, there are other ways to get the job done with instincts and athleticism which Weddle has in abundance. I will be very curious to see his time and other test results. On a completely irrelevent note, Weddle was the first player invited to the Senior Bowl this year about a week ahead of any other invites. I have no idea what that means if it means anything at all. eta: clearly I have a mancrush on this kid. I want a star on his helmet.Speaking of which, Brady Quinn says he'll play in that game. Big risk. I wonder if he'll have a change of heart and make room for another QB?
Weddle would be a good fit for the Titans at Safety since Thompson is so bad. Regarding a CB spot though, Tennessee will (hopefully) address that in FA, which would mean if Weddle was playing CB, he'd be competing to be the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th corner. If he is on the Titans and wants to get on the field other then through special teams, it would likely need to be at safety.I didn't realize QUinn was going to play in the Senior Bowl, although I certainly understand why.
Projecting June to leave? Even though they play cover 2, I wonder if they might look for an LB with more heft to stuff the run here, maybe a guy like HB Blades - the LBs are getting mauled and they need an injection of hardnosed attitude - Blades would also provide that.Andy Dufresne said:
If history is any guide.
The LBs are a mess this year. Some people like 'em, others not so much. It's hard, at this point, to guess where they'll land.
Guards are hard to project. Max Jean-Gilles was projected as a 1st rounder last year too. I guess it just deptends on who needs what when. All this is just for discussion anyway as free agency will likely change the draft's dynamic considerably.
Why do you want Childress fired?
Because his hardheadedness is going to set back this team for many, many years.He released veteran Marcus Robinson with one game left to play.He communicated nary a whit with Brad Johnson all year.He threw his players under the bus last week by saying something to the effect of "It's a kick ### system if it's executed properly."His offensive scheme, contrary to his belief, is the most boring, predictable, and unimaginative I have EVER seen.In short, he's a mini-Tom Coughlin. And we're all seeing how that's turning out.He fits perfectly the mold of a guy that's a good-to-great coordinator but simply not head coach material.They'll never win championships with him as head coach. Of course, as a Vikings fan, I'm used to that.
Thanks for the explanation. Good to see you posting again
Thanks. Shark Pool only, and I'm trying to keep it to draft talk.Good to see you posting again
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The Vikings strike me as one of those teams that is close to being able to win, yet so far from looking likea good football team. I'm not sure what it is - the O line is the strength of the team, right? And the running back situation could be A LOT worse; Taylor has been pretty good. The QB (Jackson) is going to need some time, and the receivers are gosh-awful. The defense has some talent, but SOMETHING about the Vikings does not make me think they are a player or two away from being really good, which is a bit alarming.Thanks. Shark Pool only, and I'm trying to keep it to draft talk.Good to see you posting again
You're spot on, COlin. Funny isn't it? When you're looking at who they should draft, there aren't any GLARING weaknesses except for WR. But when you dig deeper, the problems become apparent.
Maybe Childress believes in Harris?
Do you know his contract situation - he's been in MIN for two years, right?
The more I watch Anderson, the more I like him. IF he came out, he could be properly drafted in the low 20s -- right where the Titans would be.I think the Titans package some picks and attempt to have a somewhat top heavy draft. The Titans no longer need 10 new rookies. They need 3-5 higher impact players only.
From what I've read*, and the more expert among us (Sigmund, Colin, Chaos) can correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what I've gathered.Woodley is being termed a "tweener" as in not quite a prototypical DE and not quite an OLB. He projects best to OLB in a 3-4. My personal opinion is that the "tweener" label is often crap as guys like Freeney, Kampmann, and Umenyiora are all about the same size as Woodley. He's a near lock for the 2nd round and a team could reach for him in the 1st. Michael Griffin is probably the #2 safety in the draft (where Landry and Nelson are 1a and 1b
). He is a 1st rounder. If he slips to the 2nd, someone got a steal.I don't know anything about Jamaal Anderson.*I have to freely admit that most player evaluations that I make are second hand. I don't watch much college football and whenever I do a mock it's more based on research I've done on team needs and matching that up with the available talent. For player analysis, I would lean on what Sigmund and CC say much more than what I do as their observations are first-hand.
What am I? Chopped liver?
...and Colin. Definitely Colin.What am I? Chopped liver?
Edit:
That would be a hoot. For the first time in a while, the teams at the top of the draft DESPERATELY need help. In recent years, there has always been at least a couple teams in the top-10 that didn't look too awful the season before nearly as much as they caught some bad breaks and had some bad luck. This year, the top-8 or so (with the exception of the Cardinals, who have needs but don't appear short on talent) need help in the worst way. Lions? raiders? Browns? Texans? Eck....does anyone really think those squads are one Vince Young or Shawn Merriman away from being .500 or better? doubtful.Unfortunately, this draft is thin. As where many scouting services gave between 45 and 60 first round grades last year, I think there are about 20-25 this season. Some guys are going to sneak in to the first this season that might not have gone on the first day last year.Wouldn't this be a mess if all the guys that are wavering on coming out decide NOT to. What if Calvin Johnson, Branch, Jarrett, and Jamarcus Russell stay in school?
One cavaet - I get a lot deeper on the defensive side of the ball as we get closer to the draft, so these opinions are somewhat half-baked, except for Griffin.Woodley - Andy will hate this, but he really is a tweener. He's short for a 4-3 DE, and not enough of a dynamo to completely offset it with a dominant pass rush (a la Freeney). His pass rush is based more desire than moves or a lightning quick first step. He's a great tackler and a mean mofo.He would definitely be outstanding as a standup rush LB in the 3-4, and he can definitely handle himself in run support, but might struggle if asked to drop into coverage. He's strong and relentless enough to be a 4-3 DE, but he doesnt quite have the frame you look for, and he's not as explosive athletically as say, Tamba Hali, who has a similar body type . He looks like a late first round pick for either scheme, but not an elite prospect for either. The Jets seem like a nice home for him - the hybrid D takes advantage of him the best.Anderson - I might get slammed by the razorback fans, but he strikes me as a bit of project, but one with high upside because unlike Woodley, he's got an ideal NFL DE frame, and could probably work best in a 3-4. I see the raw materials, but not so much the moves or instincts. THis is a player that I reserve some judgment on, as I havent been watching him that closely since I dont anticipate that he'll come out. He could be a first rounder next year with more polish.Griffin - Physically, he's just about the equal of Landry. Explosive athlete with a great closing burst and vertical leap,and the hands to finish the deal. Loves to hit, but is not an "in the box" safety. He (and the whole UT secondary) did take a huge step back this year with terribly undisciplined play. He's been out of position and overpursuing too much. He's got all-pro upside as a centerfielder because of his tools, but he lacks the instincts and QB of the defense quality that Michael Huff had. Somewhat of a boom/bust guy, but his tools probably insure that he'll at least be the kind of player that makes you very
and very 
in the course of one game. He should be battling Brandon Meriweather to be the 3rd safety off the board after landry and nelson (assuming nelson comes out)
That's not to say that there aren't "tweeners". It just seems too easy for people to label every player that's not a prototypical DE as one.It is a good thing for these athletes (and we as fans) that there's been a resurgence of the 3-4 in the NFL as it gives them a home and allows the fans to see good players they otherwise might not.
This is true, but Woodley is not one of those guys. His frame seems close to maxxed out, as opposed to a guy like Anderson, who could easily carry 15-20 more pounds and tilt the scales at about 300. Generally, longer frame = more room to grow without losing athleticism.a quick note on this point - Dumervil tried to bulk up and reinvent himself for the draft because of a size concern, and feel because of it. All it did is make him look more sluggish. When a guy is maxxed out on his frame, adding weight only hurts.
And that's why I had to backtrack a bit I guess. Guys like Woodley and Anthony Spencer really DO fit the "tweener" label.
"You're no hypocrite, Doc. You just like to sound like one."Thanks. Shark Pool only, and I'm trying to keep it to draft talk.Good to see you posting again
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