Paper Tiger
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In a .5 ppr, 12 team league, who realistically would be the elite choice as a RB2? For me it's Marshawn Lynch, followed closely by Fred Jackson. Thoughts...
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Lynch is going late 1st/early 2nd in a lot of leagues. I would say he is not an RB2. I like Michael Turner as an RB2 this year. He has the upside to make RB1 numbers many weeks. The .5 PPR won't make a huge difference but i would get an RB1 who will reel in some catches to offset Turner just a bit.
I think he was talking about guys who most people veiw as 2nd tier not guys who can be had in the 2nd atleast thats the way I took it. I do think McFadden could fall into that area because he has high upside but because of injuries nobody wants him as their 1. My guy would be Matthews I see him having a huge year with no Tolbert to take away Td's.
creeps1313
Footballguy
Matthews? He's the 4 or 5th rb off the board. For me it's someone like Sproles, Gore, or FJax. All three are outside the top 12 but inside the top 20. Lynch would be a great possibility if you have pick 7-9 and grab a mjd or cj...and 4 QBs go before your second round pick...but you would have to go RB RB to get lynch as a #2.
Kind of a difficult question to answer because it depends on your draft strategy. If you're going RB-RB, you're going to have much different options for RB2 than if you wait a little. Darren Sproles was a guy just talked about on the most recent Audible podcast, and I couldn't agree more. Mid to low end RB1 numbers in the late 2nd-mid 3rd round right now. So if you're talking about value, he's someone I'd target.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
sproles/reggie bush in ppr
loose circuits
Footballguy
Starks, Helu, Ridley/Vereen are who I would target after I addressed other spots early
Those are more like rb3/flex guys. I think Helu is the only one with a realistic chance of being more and I don't trust Shanahan.
If am lucky enough to draft a top RB early in the 1st in a PPR (and for the most part that is what I play), I would feel comfortable going very deep into the RB2s to grab my RB2...I think both Green-Ellis and Shonn Greene will outperform their draft spot, and while you may not get RB1 numbers from them, the final points between RB12 and RB16-18 are usually pretty close. I just like those two because they have zero competition (as of today) and have teams that are (or will be) committing to the run.
Actually the Bengals have already said that him and Scott will be a RBBC, and Leonard will get most of the 3rd downs. Not to mention Herron might get some action.
zilladog
Footballguy
The ideal RB2 imo would be your favorite RB1. Go trade for him, give him "the world" if you have to. Pair him up with your other RB1 that you drafted. Build around the two of them....Win championships.
Barring that, I'd say Trent Richardson/Doug Martin/ DMC? (not sure if his ADP is low enough right now)
Barring that, I'd say Trent Richardson/Doug Martin/ DMC? (not sure if his ADP is low enough right now)
Aggieelmore
Footballguy
For me it's demarco Murray. I haven't been this excited about a cowboy running back since emmitt was in his prime. The offensive line is better this year, the receivers are top tier, the defense will be better & Garrett likes him. Felix jones is no more than a back up. This kid is set to take off. He'll catch a lot of balls as well. It's all up to health. If healthy, he's a rb1 that can be had in the late 2nd round.
Chris Johnson talk has happening for the past few weeks as he is enthused, in great condition and many are touting as a safter pick than the injury prone Mathews and the thinking that with all the touches (including receptions) that MJD is wearing down some, has some taking Johnson as the 4th-6th back to be drafted. At best he makes it to early round 2 so in most leagues he will be a RB1. I think S Jax, Richardson, Charles are backs that could be RB2
Anybody who has to share a backslash with another guy in the backfield is not somebody you want as a starter.
greggorymac
Footballguy
Agreed. Beanie, Isaac Redman and Ridley are mine.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
2nd round - Lynch
3rd round - SJAX
4th round - Gore
5th round - Meh
6th round - Beanie
7th round - Brown or Hillis
Those would be my picks for ideal RB2s in their corresponding rounds. If you can stomach it waiting until the 7th round looks like a really nice play to me. I just checked ADP, and I'm amazed Brown and Hillis are going that late. You'd be set at RB1, QB, TE, and could hypothetically have 3 WRs at that point.
After the first handful of stud RBs the other guys just seem so interchangeable. If you want a rock solid RB2 you better get him in the 2nd round.
Personally, I'd rather spend my early picks getting known commodities at the other positions, and then load up on talented RBs in committees hoping to hit on one or two of them for a breakout. Brown, Stewart, DeAngelo, Ingram, LeShoure, Ryan Williams, Blount, etc are all going in the 7th or later, and could all potentially approach top 20 RB numbers if things break right. There are so many RBs that you can nab in the later rounds after solidifying the core of your team.
Trying to figure out which RBs are going to survive the season is such a crapshoot.
3rd round - SJAX
4th round - Gore
5th round - Meh
6th round - Beanie
7th round - Brown or Hillis
Those would be my picks for ideal RB2s in their corresponding rounds. If you can stomach it waiting until the 7th round looks like a really nice play to me. I just checked ADP, and I'm amazed Brown and Hillis are going that late. You'd be set at RB1, QB, TE, and could hypothetically have 3 WRs at that point.
After the first handful of stud RBs the other guys just seem so interchangeable. If you want a rock solid RB2 you better get him in the 2nd round.
Personally, I'd rather spend my early picks getting known commodities at the other positions, and then load up on talented RBs in committees hoping to hit on one or two of them for a breakout. Brown, Stewart, DeAngelo, Ingram, LeShoure, Ryan Williams, Blount, etc are all going in the 7th or later, and could all potentially approach top 20 RB numbers if things break right. There are so many RBs that you can nab in the later rounds after solidifying the core of your team.
Trying to figure out which RBs are going to survive the season is such a crapshoot.
JPeso
Footballguy
So you're going RB-RB?
I agree with this it is the other way around for a RB2, he is usually inconsistent and has those 130 yards and 3 touchdown games, then next week it is 54 yards and nothing else. Beanie Wells, Shonn Greene, Deangelo Williams, Ahmad Bradshaw. All come to mind from last year when I think of a RB2.
Be fair, if they went Megatron first, then Charles second, they might get between 3.01 and 3.04
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Ahmad Bradshaw
Blount, if he's the #1 guy and if it's a non-RBBC approach in TB
Donald Brown
Blount, if he's the #1 guy and if it's a non-RBBC approach in TB
Donald Brown
VA703
Footballguy
got burned by him last year.. not too confident in him this yeartook him in the 3rd or 4th round alst year and felt
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This is the answer.May not get crazy carries, and you have to worry about the feet, but he'll get TDs and he'll get catches. Could wind up scoring like a low-end RB1 if he remains relatively healthy.
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Fiddles
Footballguy
what makes you say that?
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joey
Footballguy
for those that really dare to wait on an RB2 later in the draft while shoring up the other positions, you could go McGahee in the 6th and then Hillman in the 10th as insurance.
Similar ADPs for a Wells/Williams combo in AZ.
As I typed the above, I realized I couldn't see myself being happy with either suggestion but just throwing it out there looking at the latest ADP #s
Similar ADPs for a Wells/Williams combo in AZ.
As I typed the above, I realized I couldn't see myself being happy with either suggestion but just throwing it out there looking at the latest ADP #s
I like this approach Joey...I'd love to take McGahee in the 6-7th as my RB3/flex, then snag Hillman in the 9-10th...it may be early to grab a handcuff that early, but Hillman can turn into fantasy gold later in the season...for those that really dare to wait on an RB2 later in the draft while shoring up the other positions, you could go McGahee in the 6th and then Hillman in the 10th as insurance.Similar ADPs for a Wells/Williams combo in AZ.As I typed the above, I realized I couldn't see myself being happy with either suggestion but just throwing it out there looking at the latest ADP #s
greggorymac
Footballguy
Hillman? No way with John Fox as the coach. He errors on the side of the veterans and he's not going to let him passpro Manning.'49er fan said:I like this approach Joey...I'd love to take McGahee in the 6-7th as my RB3/flex, then snag Hillman in the 9-10th...it may be early to grab a handcuff that early, but Hillman can turn into fantasy gold later in the season...'joey said:for those that really dare to wait on an RB2 later in the draft while shoring up the other positions, you could go McGahee in the 6th and then Hillman in the 10th as insurance.Similar ADPs for a Wells/Williams combo in AZ.As I typed the above, I realized I couldn't see myself being happy with either suggestion but just throwing it out there looking at the latest ADP #s
gregjcross
Footballguy
What coachesvsay before training camp is nearly meaningless.
If you take away the game where the Jets played 7 or 8 DBs all game, BJGE is around a 3.0 YPC. That's with the Pats' explosive passing game. Now he goes to the Bengals, where he will face legit defenses( both in terms of defenders in the box and Steelers/Ravens), and receive less chances around GL, I don't see why anyone would draft BJGE. Better options will be available on WW
Deamon
Footballguy
Haha who sees Mathews as 2nd tier? Top 5 RB in most rankings.
You don't understand tiers...most people consider Foster/McCoy/Rice the first tier and the second tier would include Mathews. 2nd Tier still means RB1. It just means there's more questions about those players than the ones in the first tier.
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Deamon
Footballguy
And you don't understand the original post (asking who is the best RB2) and his reply (saying mathews would be his pick for that)
What part did I not understand the original post? I was just explaining Nagle's post. I was explaining that Nagle considers RB2 to mean Tier 2, which could still mean a round 1 RB. Did I say I agree with that? No. Your reply asked "who sees Mathews as 2nd tier?" so I explained that many people see him as a 2nd tier RB, which could still mean a top 5 RB.
cheese
Footballguy
Agree. The Bengals have been talking RBBC for years now and it hasn't even come close to happening. Personally, I'll be less surprised with Scott getting cut than him seeing a big chunk of the carries. Dan Herron? Yeesh. BJGE would have to play completely awful to not be a workhorse this year IMO and even then I'm not sure what they'd do.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Id just hand cuff Toby Gerhart to Peterson, the early season schedule is cup cake easy and he did great as a fill in last year, caught alot of passes too
cheese
Footballguy
I like Gerhart regardless if I get ADP. His upside is tied to ADP's health obviously, but he still has a higher ceiling than anyone else you're getting RB4/5.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Sjax and sproles were the first to come to mind for me. Also if you are drafting at the end of the first round and DMC or lynch falls to your second pick, it would be really hard to pass up. Who said going rb rb is a thing of the past?
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I don't disagree with a RB/RB strategy, especially with WR being so deep, but it just seems like you could throw a dart at the RBs with ADPs after round six and find solid production. There is a plethora of players there that could match or exceed what SJAX, Lynch, or Sproles might give you in round 2 where you could be drafting Fitzgerald or Jennings instead of a RB.I don't see McFadden making it to the second round.
He is completely awful. He'll be exposed outside of the Pats' O this year
Borden
Footballguy
The only reason I didn't bring up Gerhart is because if AP is playing he has no value. The other guys I brought up can fill in on bye weeks and if your top RB goes down for a short time.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I just posted this in his spotlight thread:
According to ADP, the RBs that could be considered possible RB2s going before Reggie Bush are:
McFadden
Forte
Richardson
Murray
Peterson
Charles
SJAX
Lynch
Sproles
FJAX
Bradshaw
Turner
Gore
Martin
I bolded the ones that are at least as risky as Reggie Bush to succumb to injury. Two of the others are rookies. Turner is clearly approaching the wall. Lynch has his own issues. Are we sure Sproles gets the same role with Ingram back? All of these guys are being drafted before Bush, and not a one of them stand out as a sure thing.
Bush looks like a perfect RB2 in the late 4th or early 5th round after loading up on WRs and a stud QB or TE.
According to ADP, the RBs that could be considered possible RB2s going before Reggie Bush are:
McFadden
Forte
Richardson
Murray
Peterson
Charles
SJAX
Lynch
Sproles
FJAX
Bradshaw
Turner
Gore
Martin
I bolded the ones that are at least as risky as Reggie Bush to succumb to injury. Two of the others are rookies. Turner is clearly approaching the wall. Lynch has his own issues. Are we sure Sproles gets the same role with Ingram back? All of these guys are being drafted before Bush, and not a one of them stand out as a sure thing.
Bush looks like a perfect RB2 in the late 4th or early 5th round after loading up on WRs and a stud QB or TE.
Hillis because of the information listed below... guy can be had at incredible value and has the potential to be one of the best #2 RB's in the draft... the value alone is incredible.... this gives you the opportunity to draft other players to make your team stronger in other areas, and pick up Hillis in the 5th - 6th round realistically... just like the value Thomas Jones use to give you in drafts... which is what makes him my ideal candidate
'Coeur de Lion said:
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
The quote was 500 TOUCHES, not 500 carries for Charles and Hillis. In 2010, Charles and Jones combined for 534 touches, so 500 for Charles and Hillis does not seem like a crazy number.
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